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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: ^^UnDiSpUtEd^^ on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 07:48:24 AM
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Hello Everyone, I'm very suspicious about-if it's posibble to change radio reports to more realistic? Like for example
''Lets move out guys-or move out guys or more realistic more if it's posibble tho. It would change the feel in using reports because many people don't even use them in the game.
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hmm
sounds can be replaced, I think i-game text can't.
waste of time IMO, replacing sounds would enlarge assist update/s and that's out of question(right?).
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The game needs improvement, not just making new maaps...by doing this it would be a good start off.
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some can't be done because we haven't the game code.
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We've discussed changing sounds before, but a lot of people complain and say it isn't neccesary. So we put those kind of changes towards the end of the list. It may or may not happen, it up to you to convince other players it would be a good idea.
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The game needs improvement
Me No Agree
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The game will get bored if it stays like that, changes needs to be done, textures and all that so 2.5 can improve, obviously 2.5 community hasn't got masters in coding but the community of aa25 should have at least couple. This could be done by advertising for staff in coding. I think there is enough maap that is in progress and community needs to start develop on the version than on any other new map. I think it would be also a good idea that you do features of whats coming next in the next update. I also would like to know if the game is still trying to develop into a realistic game like the real army or just a fun america's army. I think you guys the community admins need more staff to help you in coding and other stuff. It would be a good idea if you could advertise for the job of AA. Radio reports are important as in real army. I compare this game to the real army as it was made to be like it. 2.5 is an old version and doesn't have those good changes to the game, textures,graphics but we can all try and advertise to find a right man to do that. Also I think this community maybe would like to contact previous devs and ask for the codes that would help in editing something. As they don't work on this they should let you use those codes. The idea is that radio reports are very important. Sure people can come and give ideas or opinions but in my thought it is important and it is in first list:)
More staff would help the community:)
And what I said is very important. I won't be mad if i get abused just saying my opinion as previous devs tried to do best in develop the game into the realistic but it seems that they really rushed into new versions.
Why you guys not be like them and not rush and develop into a good experienced game. I know it will be struggle for people with old pc's but it's a good chance to start doing it. A lot of people crash computers because of the big lags. But when you guys start really develop into a better game? In mean time this game will get bored but hope i can enjoy playing it all my life:) hehe
Peace and Out
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The only problem with what you want to do is that nobody here is getting paid to do anything. It might be difficult to find more staff for coding because it would just be something they would have to do in their spare time. Who is going to want to code a whole new version of a dead game for nothing? Also graphics wise AA never really improved until AA3. AA has always used the UnrealEngine 2 (until aa3 obv) and all they did in the updates was work out some of the bugs. To make a whole new version of the game would take a great deal of time. As you can see the mAAp updates that are done take a good amount of time. I think the game itself is fine and maybe a little update here or there such as the digital camo switch is cool. As far as changing gameplay goes I dont think its going to happen.
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^^UnDiSpUtEd^^ you have a fantastic attitude. Jonny wouldn't have left if all players thought like you did. Unfortunately, you're in a very small minority (but I'm with you).
The game could use a graphics update along with sound, HUD, code and more. The problem is, we've tried things in the past. Take a look in the mAAp forum, there's a few discussions and polls where players RAGED about something as simple as player uniforms being upgraded to digital camo. I even suggested importing AA3 sounds and that was an amazing discussion. We're bound by so much that we can't do anything that the community wouldn't want, otherwise we're killing the game.
Your best bet is to come up with small, simple ideas yourself and start a poll. See if it's possible and worthwhile for us to do it and see if the community would want it. If both are yes, we'll go after it.
Aside from that, mAAp severely needs an update, it's been needing one since February. It's going to take time because there's only 1 person in control of Assist and he's not sitting around on his ass waiting for us to finish work, he's got a life and a busy one at that.
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The game will get bored if it stays like that
Well I really can't agree with that. How many years it has survived omfg, stop trying to make it better or worse, people playing nowadays like how it is and I bet 90% of the community are conservatists
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People don't play AA because it's a new and improving game, they play AA because they have for a long time. Nobody wants anything to change. They don't want to learn new maps, instead they want to whore the same old ones. Anything big we do would cause a shitstorm in the community. We can't risk losing any more players. Not to mention a lot of changes mentioned (updated graphics and code) would need some serious dedication, dedication nobody currently has for a game with such a small playerbase.
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It's wierd. I remember in 2008, or maybe 2009 people was still asking for updating and improving the game. I mean, a lot of people used to ask for changes back then. Maybe what's left of it is an hard core base that keeps playing only the same game in the same way, that can't accept changes. Sooner or later they will leave aswell as things move on and world evolves, the game might evolve by some degree but if things stay this way it won't.
It's also true that improving the game in its parts would require time. But community support and feedback is what is mainly needed, otherwise it's really about improving the game for us only. Which might happen to be enjoyable but only worthy to itself.
P.s. if you want an example of an old game still being widely supported and backed by the community look at Killing Floor (it also happens to be made on a quite similar version of the Unreal engine).
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Don't forget, it isn't that we can't make new and exciting content and visuals for the game, it is because we don't have a license for an old $500,000 game engine.
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The game will get bored if it stays like that
im sorry but this is where i stopped reading. boring? seriously? this game has been out for how many years? if this game was boring, no one would still be playing it.
EDIT: just read further and Ganja and I are on teh same page hahah
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im sorry but this is where i stopped reading. boring? seriously? this game has been out for how many years? if this game was boring, no one would still be playing it.
I agree with him that it's boring. The gameplay is stale and so are the players. Same boring map for 50 rounds in a row, you know exactly where the enemy is coming from, they know where you are. Nobody plays as a team and there's shitty tactics.
I've seen other posts where people just hate the gameplay and get tired of AA, especially when comparing it to other games. It's not just me, it's why there's only 150 or so people on at any given time. It's a game for the minorities, the whores, the kids, the glitchers. There would be more people playing if the game had better features and a better player base.
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I agree with him that it's boring. The gameplay is stale and so are the players. Same boring map for 50 rounds in a row, you know exactly where the enemy is coming from, they know where you are. Nobody plays as a team and there's shitty tactics.
I've seen other posts where people just hate the gameplay and get tired of AA, especially when comparing it to other games. It's not just me, it's why there's only 150 or so people on at any given time. It's a game for the minorities, the whores, the kids, the glitchers. There would be more people playing if the game had better features and a better player base.
Let's face it, the game is outdated. The only reason people still play it is because they did for a long time. We're not going to get new players to play an outdated Unreal Engine 2 based game. Sure we can change the game and try to get new players, but we will lose a lot of old ones, and if our quest to get new players fails, we're left with nobody playing it anymore.
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I agree. We don't have the time, resources or knowledge to overhaul the game. Even if we could, it's an outdated engine that has severe limitations compared to today's expectations from gamers.
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Well, I can only see 150 people playing everyday and hundred thousands people downloaded it...So why not thousands playing? Why is that? Because they see that game hasn't changed much. But if we stick with these little changes we will loose people for sure. The game is getting boring for me too because I play for a long time too. I'm an old player and in my opinion it is getting bored. As I said The game should be developing into a realistic army as it was made for. If we stick with it it's just going to make it fail the game anyways without trying something new. I liked the idea from spanky the sound that could be brought form 3.0 I played 3.0 and the sound is epic, not comparing to the graphics of course:) The sound is the only thing that 3.0 gives a good example of the realistic game. I agree with spanky it is getting boring as he doesn't play it and is bored of the game. Most admins even don't play AA or don't play often but it's true playing the same rounds, same stupid tactics and no improvement to help you in the game, dieing because people nading and they know how to shoot those spam nades over the place.
I saw many projects on maap and i think it's enough for next update it's just needs to be finished. You all worry in loosing people which ways we will be doing that if we stick for so many years. New technologies, new engines that will come. New games may come better compared to AA. Any ways you see people fail without doing it. Johnny's system is unbreakable but it wont last long till it will be breakable. The system will not going forever and it's self the game needs to be developed or you get rivals in other games.
The point is thousand's of people download the game but only 150 people playing. People come for hax as the game is old and just for fun playing messing abouts the system.
I know you are beginners in doing this new stuff but guys if you advertise for the job for coding I bet you get answers that they would like to help develop this game for free. I can only see couple admins who really work on this AA so get more staff would be no problem.
My point is if you keep the game this way-you loose people anyways it's not even reaching 150 people.
My point is if you develop this game in better way and in interesting way-you may attract people from even 3.0 and elsewhere and there is a good way of bringing new players to this game. Get more people to help you guys more help is what you need to the community.
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I really think you have a lot of motivation. Have a look in the mAAp forum to see our previous idea discussions and how the community responded. I think you should start 2-3 small polls for gameplay/feature updates and see how people respond. We need to know what the community would like in order to have some form of direction before we have any chance of improving things.
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I do I really want to see this game develop. Why? Because it's getting boring. I'm speaking one of the old players. Of course many will spam no obviously in the polls as many don't play AA and they have not experienced in it.They haven't played for years for so many years like others did and who wants changes. Why I started this topic anyways? To start develop the game. I like what johnny did for AA...If he would be still here he would like to change the game experience due only 130-140 people playing. I don't think polls needed there is a fact of changing the game into a better. I will make it of course but I don't expect nothing new as the spam of people no before thinking of developing new game than playing the same maps, same rounds, dieing, same tactics and more.
I liked the objective finish from you spanky the battlefield 3 way in objective in bridge as I remember. This was a good way of starting develop, I thought that it will come up but it seems just a fake, and negative response.
Why not agree with spanky his an old player as well and wants changes. Johnny also would be with us in changing the game. Maybe this was another fact why his left because people didn't want to see improvements and just sticking with the same version all the time and he thought thats a waste of time not developing AA.
Also poll had finished in those camos...Most said for Digital but no response if it's coming because most agreed with a new one.
Guys remember you can't play the same thing over the years and years the game needs to be developing and not sticking with the same things over the years otherwise the game will loose players.
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Sure the game need some improvements, but we strongly need feedback from the community to start with possible changes.
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Thanks for your comments on the Conquest objectives.
I think the biggest flaw in your argument, one that we both share, is the definition of "better". That will vary extremely from person to person. Also, I think you view most of the members here as non-players. While that's true for me and a few others who don't play very much, the vast majority of people here do play on a regular basis. Possessed being just one of them.
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yup and I'm going to whore 95 points left for my next honor level :P 83 soon!
hey Spanky, post discussions like this in Facebook/Twitter and ask ppl to leave their opnion here :P(I know u gave the twitter info but, idk lol)
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I'm just saying that for myself I want a better game with better stuff in it. I'm bored of the same things everyday. Most people don't understand the feeling on being playing this game for years and doing the same stuff as you were doing.
The most improvements I saw was the assist has been backed up, the security of assist,the server list on forum that spanky did, conquest objective from spanky I would like to see that anyways getting back in discussion. And new maaps.
Maybe you community admins would like to play again when the game really would develop. It really hurts my feelings when I'm the only one who want's the changes to the game as spanky too. They just don't know the feeling playing years the same thing everyday. Yes i want a better game you want a better game too spanky. People who don't play and haven't played for many years they just don't know the feeling, this is totally not a humanity thing. I love all your work produce to the AA and I allways be loving your work for AA and other admins. I din't see much changes in the game really in-game. The only thing I saw is no more hackers but it doesn't make the game better.
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The only thing left to say is get a poll going for some basic improvement ideas. I'll move it to the news forum and it will go out on Twitter and Facebook for people to come in and vote.
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Hello Everyone, I'm very suspicious about-if it's posibble to change radio reports to more realistic? Like for example
''Lets move out guys-or move out guys or more realistic more if it's posibble tho. It would change the feel in using reports because many people don't even use them in the game.
"Let's move out guys."
1)That would be unrealistic. Like severely unrealistic.
2)In the real Army, radio transmissions are short, simple, and to the point. Less clatter on the radio the better.
The most realistic thing for radio reports is actually what they have implemented in game currently.
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Just idea to start develop the game, of course they use shorter ones...but I guess you know what I mean:)
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How come when I start a job, someone actually wants change in AA. The digi camo conversion is still halfway finished since I last posted the pictures. Ill finish it all eventually.
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I dont find AA boring because i mainly like to scrim, play twl matches, or get into a server with a lot of players that know how to play the game (thursday night fights). What I do find boring and annoying, however, is pubbing. especially how every popular server nowadays is sf mod. why are there no servers anymore with regular weapons? Mostly everyone has a m203 and i just find that to be a real buzz kill especially when campers just sit around waiting and waiting and waiting all round to shoot that grenade. Same with the "mod gun" servers. i dont like being killed by an rpg every round in an open map like IC or UA every round. you may say "well then dont get killed by it and take cover." well then I'd be a camper and no better than the guy with the rpg.
So all in all i may be one of the few players that dont like the mods and some of the changes that have taken place. I like the classic play and competitive edge of the game. But when you get to changes like maps (more specifically mAAps), thats a different story. I love PBall, ut04, square, spankys pipeline, and even spanky's wip forest map looks very interesting. I like them because i can see them being played in a competitive way. Maps like yetis lair, ice, and monkey island just dont appeal to me at all.
so thats my perspective. dont get me wrong, Im open to ideas of change. I'll give my input. But if want to start moving objectives around and changing the whole mission of original maps, then im against it 100%.
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So all in all i may be one of the few players that dont like the mods and some of the changes that have taken place.
I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately, this is nothing new to Assist or AA. Those mods have been around for years and it slowly killed 2.5.
We have a discussion going in the moderator forums about having 3 groups of maps. Original maps, mAAp maps and ReVamped maps. Originals should remain unmodified (aside from fixing bugs/exploits), mAAps are new designs, ReVamped maps would be original maps with added player slots (Assist supports up to 30), random spawns, changed objectives and perhaps slight visual increases such as more detailed shadows or weather effects (snow falling on Bridge). Aside from those changes, ReVamped maps would be unchanged so the layout, environment and overall feel of the map wouldn't change.
Of course, this is just an idea that's being tossed around. It would mean a larger download but that's a small price to pay for more variety and a halfway decent chance of weening those whores off of boring maps that have been around for a decade.
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ReVamped
:)
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I agree with him that it's boring. The gameplay is stale and so are the players. Same boring map for 50 rounds in a row, you know exactly where the enemy is coming from, they know where you are. Nobody plays as a team and there's shitty tactics.
Show me FPS where you have _public_ server, with superb teamwork, cooperation, etc. It's not a problem of this game, it's a problem of people mentality in general. You will always get i-only-care-bout-myself-and-my-FR attitude in public FPS servers.
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BFBC2. Sure there was a lot of every man for himself but the majority of what I played and the more funner games were those where the whole team came together for a common goal. It was great teamwork and I was never on VoIP for any of it, it was just part of the attitude and the gameplay.
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Show me FPS where you have _public_ server, with superb teamwork, cooperation, etc. It's not a problem of this game, it's a problem of people mentality in general. You will always get i-only-care-bout-myself-and-my-FR attitude in public FPS servers.
Red Orchestra 2 has amazing teamwork. It's not a FR/ K/D whore games like Battlefield, AA, and CoD. It doesn't even show your deaths on the stats screen. A key reason to why a game is a successful team game is that it has to have VOIP everyone on the team can use. Battlefield and AA lack this. As a matter of fact, AA lacks any team oriented feature since it's so old.
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Turn the voip feature of AA on. There's a lot of hidden features that were never used for the public version.
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Turn the voip feature of AA on. There's a lot of hidden features that were never used for the public version.
Does it even work? I'm curious to see how well it would work.
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Just like i said before, AA will be a better place without tracker ;)
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Just like i said before, AA will be a better place without tracker ;)
I can easily make and maintain a user account system to replace Battletracker... Just saying.
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Does it even work? I'm curious to see how well it would work.
I think it does work on 2.8.5, at least when u press left Ctrl it lowers game volume and show a audio bar.
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seems like a good future for communication:)
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I can easily make and maintain a user account system to replace Battletracker... Just saying.
I would support that. I think when people take the tracker too seriously it takes the fun out of it.
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I would support that. I think when people take the tracker too seriously it takes the fun out of it.
Getting rid of stat tracking would be a fantastic way to lose a lot of players.
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Getting rid of stat tracking would be a fantastic way to lose a lot of players.
Yea, the crappy ones.
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Yea, the crappy ones.
I know that you don't like me, but hey...
:P
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I know that you don't like me, but hey...
:P
Now now, that's not fair, I didn't have you in mind when I said that.
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Now now, that's not fair, I didn't have you in mind when I said that.
jk.
but I agree that if u revome stats ALOT of players will leave :D, theres no passion without tracker stats :P
personnaly I would play without it, but I do enjoy stats too ^^
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i dont live and die by the stats, but i _do_ check them everytime i log off from a long session, and everytime i wake up just to remind me of my daily goals, less roe, more kills!! 8)
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I like to check em too and I believe after a while I could get bored wihout stats. Not that I play for them but it's cooler to play for a certain objective
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I like to check em too and I believe after a while I could get bored wihout stats. Not that I play for them but it's cooler to play for a certain objective
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