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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: rifkenhausen on Friday, March 30, 2012, 13:30:34 PM
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Hello there, (for the lazy ones, just jump down to last sentence)
Let me first start by a little bit of introduction: I am a newly registered user of the Assist tool and I must say I am quite impressed by it, and by the state the game is in now (because of it). I was so impressed by it that I actually advertised it on FPS forums along with small videos of America's Army unique features and gameplay.
The thing I was looking forward to mostly was the fact that it is released from the hands of the US Army, and into the hands of true gamers. Thanks to the Army(or, should I say, the tax payers) we have a good game today, but there were also some things that annoyed me once I first tried it in December of 2003.
One of those things is that you always got to see yourself as American soldier, and you always saw your enemy as the OPFOR. This brought up some interesting questions like: If I pick up their AK47, does it still have fire power of M16 but in full auto?
Anyways, to cut the story short: Is it possible for "new developers" to make it so we can finally play as OPFOR, starting off with their weapons, shooting into Army personal?
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Hmmm yes as a matter of facts it's possible to set an Opfor looking uniform for friendlies and yourself, and a US army one for the enemy. I just say, as a matter of facts, because the actual practical purpose to use a reversed uniform scheme might be, well, questionable under some points of view. Obviously the main point point would have to be rieducating so many players that have kept playing the game for years with a "correct" uniform scheme (simply, loads of ROE).
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I think that would be a useless feature and something that won't enhance the game at all. We could make it to where you have opfor guns and skins, but that would be too time consuming for such a useless feature. This game has been around for a long time and people are used to the way it is. Don't fix what isn't broken.
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I think that would be a useless feature and something that won't enhance the game at all. We could make it to where you have opfor guns and skins, but that would be too time consuming for such a useless feature. This game has been around for a long time and people are used to the way it is. Don't fix what isn't broken.
While this game has America's Army's name, they ditched the support for this game long before they shut down the auth servers. I was thinking it is time to shape the game to our liking now, because without changes people might lose interest.
First step towards this would be to have an option to select the side with preferred weaponry. How often do you get to use SVD sniper rifle now? I feel it's a shame that so many good weapons are going to waste.
I am confident that that this change would bring a lot of more new players in, than it would take out, and this matters very much.
Think about it: You hear that you can finally play as OPFOR in this AA, would you install the game again, just for the curiosity?
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While this game has America's Army's name, they ditched the support for this game long before they shut down the auth servers. I was thinking it is time to shape the game to our liking now, because without changes people might lose interest.
First step towards this would be to have an option to select the side with preferred weaponry. How often do you get to use SVD sniper rifle now? I feel it's a shame that so many good weapons are going to waste.
I am confident that that this change would bring a lot of more new players in, than it would take out, and this matters very much.
Think about it: You hear that you can finally play as OPFOR in this AA, would you install the game again, just for the curiosity?
No, as a matter of fact, I would probably quit the game because they didn't accurately balance the weapons. The AK is way better than the m16. Not to mention it's not our game to fuck with. Sure we could change all that, but I don't feel like altering a game someone else made. It's the same way with artwork. You don't edit someone else's artwork without their permission. The army never gave us permission to change their game. We could give teams Opfor weapons and skins, but everything else abnout the team would still be American, like the voices.
Thinking about ti some more, I din't think we could make 2 separate teams, opfor and US army. No matter what you do the enemy will have opfor skins or U.S. skins permanently. I don't think there is a way to alter them based on what team you're on as that is not how the game was made. We can't edit the game code.
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The AK is way better than the m16.
I am pretty sure that M16 is better on long distance maps. And I don't think it would be so big of a balance problem since I regularly take out those AR's in CQB with M16, and they are more powerful thank AK.
We can't edit the game code
How about an automatic class forcing on the round start to switch skins and every weapon with its opposite analogue one? M16 for AK, M24 for Mosin, etc... On some servers this is done automatically, but everyone gets the same weapon.
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Thinking about ti some more, I din't think we could make 2 separate teams, opfor and US army. No matter what you do the enemy will have opfor skins or U.S. skins permanently. I don't think there is a way to alter them based on what team you're on as that is not how the game was made. We can't edit the game code.
Nope. Think of the way it is now, you see the enemy as Opfor and Friendlies as US ones, yep? Heres why:
*wrong statement*
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbkBvP.jpg&hash=3a7b7db90609b451df41ebb13b2c46cd)
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It's just a skin coupled with a mesh, nothing else.
I don't understand quite well. Can this be implemented or not?
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Nope. Think of the way it is now, you see the enemy as Opfor and Friendlies as US ones, yep? Heres why:
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbkBvP.jpg&hash=3a7b7db90609b451df41ebb13b2c46cd)
It's just a skin coupled with a mesh, nothing else.
Yeah, I didn't think they had an opfor skin choice for both teams. Even still, it's a useless change that wouldn't add anything to the game.
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So this can't be changed? Looking from that "editor", couldn't you just swap some variables?
No, there is only 1 option for enemy skins, that mean that regardless of what team you're on, you will see that skin on the enemy. If they had it for each team it would be doable.
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No, there is only 1 option for enemy skins, that mean that regardless of what team you're on, you will see that skin on the enemy. If they had it for each team it would be doable.
Of course you can still switch to reverse the Opfor and US uniforms, to have the former for Friendlies and the latter for the Opfor. I thought he was just asking to play as an Opfor, did he? Otherwise, there's no way as you say in fact.
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Nah, I did not want to play reverse. I wanted 2 teams to always be different, kind of like the normal games are.
I had the idea after seeing the "bug" many times on first round, upon joining on server. Your own team had opfor mesh/skin, so I thought this was doable.
But just for the heck of it: Is it possible to reverse this on client side if it's only cosmetic?
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I agree in this being useless...
What's the point of; instead of seeing a ally skin, we would see a terrorist skin or so?
Anyway about the guns, if you would like to have foes guns, it can be made by editing a map and have an edited map with different weapon slots...
But instead of loosing time in this, I would prefer having more new custom guns to forceclass, that would be better waste of good time, like an MP5 SD special forces!
ps: I prefer a million times the way it is at the moment, if you kill an enemy you can pick his gun as a trophy, they have higher damage, but also have a real bad recoil that would make noobs used to the M16 to not like the game. (Even though I usually pick foes guns, I prefer having them after killing than at the begining).
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I agree in this being useless...
What's the point of; instead of seeing a ally skin, we would see a terrorist skin or so?
No, I meant the ability to chose team - play as OPFOR against US or vice versa.
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No, I meant the ability to chose team - play as OPFOR against US or vice versa.
Still dont see the point of changing ASSAULT and DEFENCE to USA and TERRORIST or any other crap...
I mean, the games is america's army, I'm not even from US and I can't say I like US that much, but I still prefer the game like this where your teammates always look allies in most maps.
Terrorists and counter-terrorists are in the crap CS 4 kids. However, having a terrorist and counter-terrorist mod without touching in the original game, but just as a server mod, I wouldn't mind. Now changing the game would kinda kill it a bit.
ps: And also USA would get M16 single and burst while you would get the AK which kills better. It would require too many changes to make it that way...
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Terrorists and counter-terrorists are in the crap CS 4 kids.
Ability to chose sides is standard feature of Cs and EVERY SINGLE FPS game out there. Ever. And who mentioned terrorists? Lets not bring politics in here please.
However, having a terrorist and counter-terrorist mod without touching in the original game, but just as a server mod, I wouldn't mind. Now changing the game would kinda kill it a bit.
This is what I was thinking exactly. Server side mod which would just switch the "code" and not art since models, textures, sounds and voice comms all have their opposite analogue in the game already.
ps: And also USA would get M16 single and burst while you would get the AK which kills better. It would require too many changes to make it that way...
I would not worry about balance too much. Mosin gets no sidearm. AK 47 kicks like a mule in full auto, M16 is fine in both modes. I think the balance of the game would not change at all.
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enum EDefaultBinoc {
BINOC_M22,
BINOC_M24,
BINOC_Tank,
BINOC_Newt
};
enum EWeaponSkinSet {
WSKINS_Default,
WSKINS_Desert,
WSKINS_Arctic
};
enum EMesh {
MESH_Soldier,
MESH_DesOp,
MESH_Arctic,
MESH_OPFOR,
MESH_IBCT,
MESH_CivOp,
MESH_SF,
MESH_OpInfantry,
MESH_ArcOpFor,
MESH_SF_Arctic
};
enum ESkinSet {
SKINS_Forest,
SKINS_Desert,
SKINS_OpFor,
SKINS_DesOp,
SKINS_Arctic,
SKINS_IBCT,
SKINS_ArcOpFor,
SKINS_Training,
SKINS_CivOp,
SKINS_OpInfantry,
SKINS_SF_Arctic
};
I was working in a OPFOR Server Mod days ago, the only thing that failed was the modded ak74-su other guns replacement ar ok, i have it compiled and working, but theres only players 2 skins, more can be added later.
if anyone want it just tell me.
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I was working in a OPFOR Server Mod days ago, the only thing that failed was the modded ak74-su other guns replacement ar ok, i have it compiled and working, but theres only players 2 skins, more can be added later.
if anyone want it just tell me.
How does that work? Does it make it to where 1 team is U.S. with U.S. weapons and skins and the other is Opfor with Opfor weapons in skins? That's what this thread is about.
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How does that work? Does it make it to where 1 team is U.S. with U.S. weapons and skins and the other is Opfor with Opfor weapons in skins? That's what this thread is about.
everyone play as opfor, but i think its possible to make two diferent teams, like,
if(Team0)
SetEnemySkin bla bla bla
if(Team1),
blablabla, understood?
edit, guess i got it now, but i need someone to test in a server with atleast 2 ppl :D
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lol, keep the game play the same. I like the fact that the gun roles on BOTH sides are generally EQUAL... you want to use ak? svd? rpk? listen for the gun to fire and hunt his ass down, then you got ur gun... dont need to change anything that keeps this game original.
I think if they do anything with skins, they should bring back the old skins in 1.7 of opfor on from icamp... they use to look arab and have turbines!
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everyone play as opfor, but i think its possible to make two diferent teams, like,
if(Team0)
SetEnemySkin bla bla bla
if(Team1),
blablabla, understood?
edit, guess i got it now, but i need someone to test in a server with atleast 2 ppl :D
That's great news! Let me know at what time to test it, and I will help you! Do you already have a server running this?
P.S. Why are so many people scared that US will get ran over by OPFOR? I will challenge anyone in here for a duel with M16 against AK47, close quarters or any map they want.
P.P.S. @soupcakes; I think it's called turbans(head wear), not turbines(rotation generator)
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P.S. Why are so many people scared that US will get ran over by OPFOR? I will challenge anyone in here for a duel with M16 against AK47, close quarters or any map they want.
Dude, you're full of yourself.
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Dude, you're full of yourself.
It may look like that to you, but I am trying to prove something. Let's see for real how M16 compares to AK47.
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Um... if that's all you want then how about admin forceclass?
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It may look like that to you, but I am trying to prove something. Let's see for real how M16 compares to AK47.
The only way you could possibly know is for 2 people of the exact same skill to play each other. And seeing as nobody has the exact same skill as someone else, a 1 vs 1 is useless.
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Ok, you are right, that was stupid of me. I only mentioned it because I was pissed off that people were saying how AK47 would be automatic win against M16...
But what do you say about this server mod? Do you know if there is a server running it right now?
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lol, keep the game play the same. I like the fact that the gun roles on BOTH sides are generally EQUAL... you want to use ak? svd? rpk? listen for the gun to fire and hunt his ass down, then you got ur gun... dont need to change anything that keeps this game original.
I think if they do anything with skins, they should bring back the old skins in 1.7 of opfor on from icamp... they use to look arab and have turbines!
what I'm making is a Server mod, just dont play in those servers, and I wan't to see turbans too lol
about the mod, no one have it already, if u want jusk ask me for it.
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what I'm making is a Server mod, just dont play in those servers, and I wan't to see turbans too lol
about the mod, no one have it already, if u want jusk ask me for it.
Hello there! Let's go and test it RIGHT NOW! :)))
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Ability to chose sides is standard feature of Cs and EVERY SINGLE FPS game out there. Ever. And who mentioned terrorists? Lets not bring politics in here please.
Well in AA you can chose your side... Either Attack team which his objective is different depending on the map.
And a Defense team that stops the other team from doing the objective.
About the guns, well... In any close quarters combat I always pick the AK47 and RPK from dead enemies, as they all have auto and have higher damage, and kill a lot better in close combat. Now on aim maps like bridge I almost never pick the Ak47 (Some times I pick it just to kill people from near only)...
ps: This mod would take a lot of work, I would prefer my self to see new guns in the gun like an MP5 SD special forces which is one of my favorite guns...
what I'm making is a Server mod, just dont play in those servers, and I wan't to see turbans too lol
about the mod, no one have it already, if u want jusk ask me for it.
Hehe. Nice playing with you yesterday :).
I will test the mod if Johny don't ban me 4 it :D
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and high roe all around, how ever.
Totally agree. Even me that play AA since 2003 or something... I never played in SF maps. There are maps that the color of the clothes still confuse me!
Here on the 2.8.5 LAN, when I changed to a new map I never played and the others were all noobs and never played AA before, they keep shooting each other because of the strange clothes...
Having the enemy clothes would mistake a lot of players!
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