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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: JonnyM on Sunday, August 11, 2013, 02:14:13 AM
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Some people here are making a big fuss about a recent important judgment call I have made, I still believe its the right thing to do, we cannot go on fighting people all the time, we have to at some point resolve our differences if we are to move on.
I believe i still have majority support for my leadership of this project but I think we should have a democratic election. There will now be a vote, Should JonnyM resign his leadership of the project?
If I loose I will complete the upcoming update but thats it, i walk.
If I win support my decisions.
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Without a doubt, you're the right man for the job. ELiZ was pretty damn good but as a whole, you're the idea and meaning behind this project.
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You been doing good.
I voted that you should stay.
However, I think that the base of an democratic rule would allow people to disagree with you.
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U should stay. Ur doing a fine job overall.
But i do hate the decision that you unbanned pit, but we will see whatever happens in the future with him.
Pit i know ur reading this: i hope u changed, but i will never trust you. You did many shitty things, trust is something you should earn.
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Some people go to far in their disagreeing! They get abusive and forget i do this for free.
I'm actually hoping to get voted out.... Looks like i'm not gonna be freed of my nightmare yet.
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I already wanted to post this in the other topic, but it is locked.
But seriously, I do support this action. I think the amount of security measures needed to stop pit if he still wanted to hack would cost us a lot more, now they can focus more on other things, and in this way it will be good for everyone.
In all honesty, I do not give one single fuck if the player im playing against has cheated in some past, as long as he doesn't cheat now, so we can just play normal. I have never used any hack in this game and I do not know what's it like or if a cheater is always a cheater (which I do not agree with, in that case anyone punished for any crime irl should get a lfietime punishment because they will "always be like that"). All cheats are detected now with the new system I suppose, so he can't do harm anymore anyways or he's banned.
So the only "disadvantage" I see is people who are complaining because of moral issues about cheaters. But with all respect, if he doesn't cheat anymore, what harm can he still do?
I know it's hard to make such a decisions, but I do appreciate the steps you make Jonny, you are a good leader, but don't give up because people are complaining about it. You know how humans are, complaining is a lot easier. A basic thing about humans: It's always far more easy to make someone unhappy opposed to make someone happy.
Now lets move on.
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Some people here are making a big fuss about a recent important judgment call I have made, I still believe its the right thing to do, we cannot go on fighting people all the time, we have to at some point resolve our differences if we are to move on.
I believe i still have majority support for my leadership of this project but I think we should have a democratic election. There will now be a vote, Should JonnyM resign his leadership of the project?
If I loose I will complete the upcoming update but thats it, i walk.
If I win all you hatters need to shut the hell up and support my decisions.
Is this even serious? Some may question the choices you make, but I don't think ANYBODY questions whether you're the right leader for this project.
I'm not sure why you're making this all or nothing when it shouldn't be.
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Because I want to be freed of this nightmare job!
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Some people go to far in their disagreeing! They get abusive and forget i do this for free.
I'm actually hoping to get voted out.... Looks like i'm not gonna be freed of my nightmare yet.
Offcourse many will hate or dont like you for some decisions you did. But if you look at the overall picture what you have done and hopefully will do in the future, you did a great job!
But this election is a escape route? You had enough?
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Well actually i'm a little insulted by the community, I thought with all the work I put into the game the last 2 month that when i asked something back from the community (to let Pit play again) you would all show your support for me.
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Because I want to be freed of this nightmare job!
Well I'm sorry you feel that way. Nobody is forcing anything upon you. Running a game is difficult work, which is usually why a lot of people get paid to do it for most games. You're just doing it out of the love for the game. People are going to disagree with you (I already did) but you can either ignore it or try to work with the community.A lot of people, including me, just don't like certain players getting preferential treatment. So many others get banned forever yet the biggest and loudest hackers get another shot? It's not fair. Surly you can understand people's frustration.
It doesn't have to be this be all end all situation of either people love what you want to do or you quit. If you really want to quit again, I don't think anybody would hold it against you though.
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Can you not see the collateral damage of trying to keep pit out? we have over 100 new players waiting for activation. I can't manage that situation, can you?
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Well actually i'm a little insulted by the community, I thought with all the work I put into the game the last 2 month that when i asked something back from the community (to let Pit play again) you would all show your support for me.
Sadly enough, a lot of people are spoiled, and will complain hard when it doesn't comprehend with their beleifs. Just keep doing what you're doing and do what you feel is right. If you get affected by the way other people judge, it will be hard to maintain leadership over bigger projects, because there will always be many people to disagree.
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Well actually i'm a little insulted by the community, I thought with all the work I put into the game the last 2 month that when i asked something back from the community (to let Pit play again) you would all show your support for me.
We all respect the job your doing!
But giving pit a free pass after all he did, hell yeah i understand the hate against that decision. But if i look it from the other side; i understand ur decision... but i hope, really do, that pit will not fuck it up...
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Can you not see the collateral damage of trying to keep pit out? we have over 100 new players waiting for activation.
Wasn't the whole training requirement supposed to stop people from creating a ton of accounts to circumvent bans like Pit did? Or was he getting through some other way? That's another thing, nobody really knows what is going on, only that you decided to unban Pit because ti was too hard to keep him out.
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nobody really knows what is going on, only that you decided to unban Pit because ti was too hard to keep him out.
Thats all there is to know.
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Thats all there is to know.
What about the rest of my post? About the training requirement? Why would that not work?
I completely understand your viewpoint. Try to make amends and get rid of the headache of banning Pit. but on the other hand, it's not fair to the other people that got banned for lighter offenses.
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Because I want to be freed of this nightmare job!
You should probably take a break, at least from my constant barrage of suggestions :) AA is a cruel bitch that consumes your time until you're insane if you let her. Take some time off once SAI is out, you deserve it.
Jonny, like I said in the other thread (not that I need to say it, you already know first hand);
People will always complain about change. Don't you dare make the Deployment button 1px wider or you'll have hell to pay. There is something I've wanted to post but didn't feel like making a new thread. I feel like now is a good time:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/mAApPackFiles/Assist/3.png)
Take a look at the number of players online. That was May 2009 at 4pm PST, yea, back before the official Auth was shutdown. I checked today and there were 5x the amount of players on at the same time all using your Auth on your program. Not to mention, it's summer time, when there's usually less people on.
The direction the project has taken and the decisions that have been made and the work that has been done by all of the people that have contributed to what Assist is today should evoke nothing but a proud feeling. Especially for you, as our leader. There are those that complain, those that come and go but look at the numbers. They speak for themselves.
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About the training requirement? Why would that not work?
Don't know, i forgot all about that.
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You definitely were / are the head of this project and it should definitely stay that way.
Your last decision was a courageous one, you demonstrated thereby strong Leadership
and diplomacy skills that honor you. In fact, you understood well that Pit is not a hacker.
A hacker is someone who uses hacks (really ? :D) to own others and build an impressive
tracker and does everything in his power not to be accused or compromised, so he can
shine and despise other players. That Pit never did. He gives a fuck about tracker or fame,
in fact as he did realize that he couldn't do shit against private hacks when he was in charge,
he decided to apply the "9/11 conspiracy tactic" : raid his own people so they would be forced
to better their own security systems and take the cheater problem by the horns.
And that is what ultimately happened. Notice, now that the new AC system is in place,
Pit "surrendered"... what a coincidence ;)
Therefore i say long live Jonny and also thx Pit for forcing us to update our security system,
so that the vast majority of normal players can enjoy the fair and cheater-free AA game we all love.
Peace.
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Everyone come to a wrong decision from time to time, thats how life works.
Those who are flawless may toss the first stone.
Howsoever:
For whatever reasons, unbanning an approved cheater is unjustifiable (IMHO).
It's a clear signal to all the cheating bastards out there:
The more you cheat, the likelier you will get unbanned.
We can only hope that every single server-owner will apply a permanent ban on pit.
At least I will, thats for sure.
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Also had no time for posting in the right topic, but I'm 100% for this decision. I think a lot of players don't really understand what's going on here. Like I said before, the ban-unban war is endless. When you ban a hacker, he'll find any possible way to get unbanned. So they banned Pit, stopped any new account from working, made the training rules, and still he would be able to play the game, don't try to lie to yourself by thinking the security of this project is unbreakable. It is very very good (for what i understand of it) but there's not such thing as 'perfect security'.
About the poll, i'm not even going to vote, as it's one of the most stupids question seen on this forums ;)
Keep up the good work, maybe take a break like spanky said, but please don't think about this as a nightmare. You've said it before, you will not be able to make EVERYBODY happy. You unbanned Pit, a lot of trouble is going to dissapear, you'll have more time for anything else (aa-related or not) and you will move on !!
We can only hope that every single server-owner will apply a permanent ban on pit.
At least I will, thats for sure.
So some people don't understand the situation huh. Do you really think he won't be able to play on your server anyway? That's the point of this discussion. You won't be able to ban him, so stop wasting time to do it.
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So the conclusion is:
Shut down all the anti-hack stuff (It don't even work)?
Let's see whereto this would lead... :?
And tell me, if there was no effect on banning pit's main account, why he is whiling to promise he won't cheat anymore only to get it back?
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So the conclusion is:
Shut down all the anti-hack stuff (It don't even work)?
Let's see whereto this would lead... :?
And tell me, if there was no effect on banning pit's main account, why he is whiling to promise he won't cheat anymore only to get it back?
It doesn't work? Oh I thougt I wrote It worked very very well but wasn't perfect. Learn to read please.
And to your question: Pit doesn't enjoy hacking, believe it or not. He just wants to play this game with clean players. His error was to belive he could be the judge of his own judgments. And he's probably also bored of getting banned.
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You been doing good.
I voted that you should stay.
However, I think that the base of an democratic rule would allow people to disagree with you.
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Who's playing the game atm won't be happy at all about it, but in the end Jonny is making the right choice. Not saying that it's great to have Pit back, just it seems like the best choice right now.
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So we may shut it down for not being perfect.
And he's probably also bored of getting banned.
Oh, I see...
So we better stop now to not get him more bored.
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omg sry, I clicked the wrong button... Just woke up... :cry:
I ment no dont take away leadership from you Johnny, you did a great job except for one thing.
But the whole topic about pit is no reason to fire you.
greetings
Helly
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I please someone voted yes, It was beginning to look like the election was rigged, Robert Muggabe style.
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As I wrote above: I clicked yes accidently.... Count it as a no Plz :shock:
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what a kindergarten here.
Im so happy that i dont spend already money in this assist, seriously you are the first guys ive ever seen that you give a hacker a second chance.
If you go to other communitys, and admins will give somebody a second chance,... That admins get directly fired! Worst thing what you can do you must always look behind the community (the honestly people here) You want more people in game? and posting a thread about a hacker that he is unbanned? haha
I will do a nice picture about that here, posting it on some sites and then im gone.
"WE FIGHT AGAINST HACKERS"
© ASSIST
haha
piss you all!
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what a kindergarten here.
Im so happy that i dont spend already money in this assist, seriously you are the first guys ive ever seen that you give a hacker a second chance.
If you go to other communitys, and admins will give somebody a second chance,... That admins get directly fired! Worst thing what you can do you must always look behind the community (the honestly people here) You want more people in game? and posting a thread about a hacker that he is unbanned? haha
I will do a nice picture about that here, posting it on some sites and then im gone.
"WE FIGHT AGAINST HACKERS"
© ASSIST
haha
piss you all!
Wrong thread, Topic fail brussels :style:
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what a kindergarten here.
Im so happy that i dont spend already money in this assist, seriously you are the first guys ive ever seen that you give a hacker a second chance.
If you go to other communitys, and admins will give somebody a second chance,... That admins get directly fired! Worst thing what you can do you must always look behind the community (the honestly people here) You want more people in game? and posting a thread about a hacker that he is unbanned? haha
I will do a nice picture about that here, posting it on some sites and then im gone.
"WE FIGHT AGAINST HACKERS"
© ASSIST
haha
piss you all!
Goodbye, nobody will miss you anyway :cool:
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Jonny I can understand your decision about pit.
Without a doubt, you're the right man for the job.
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Stay dude.
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Jonny you should calm down men... Just because some people disagree with your decision that doesn't mean you have to be upset. Yes I get why people are against this decision, but on the other side I get why you choose this, but as people said it's a democratic world (most part) and you should grow a back to stand straight to critism even if you do this in your free time. You guys are doing a great job though. As you can see no one wants you to leave :up:
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I can see from this thread that I still have support. I thought from reading some other stuff on here that was no longer the case, hence the need for a vote.
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I can see from this thread that I still have support. I thought from reading some other stuff on here that was no longer the case, hence the need for a vote.
Your decision about pit has nothing to do with your ability to take the leadership. I dont agree with you in that single point but you are still the best for this job.
greetings
=]ES[=H3!!Y=]DE[=
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JonnyM I think you should stay our authoritary leader, because democracy is crap. In my opininon you have maked one bad decision -- REAL BASIC
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damn i clicked yes accidentally, you jonny the one that disabled mods and i respect that, after you joined again assist only got better, sure spanky and eliz did a great job too but with your mindset i agree the most
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I also want to take 1 more thing here.
Jonny, you are really a good leader, because you DARE to take controversial measures, for example disabling tracker for mods. I'm sure not many people would do it, but it is one of the best steps I have seen by a leader of a project. I actually think it shows you're a good leader. Even though a decision might not be the best for everyone, at least you try to do the best for the community instead of just waiting and doing nothing.
Furthermore, the Pit case.
I want to state a few facts:
He has been project leader
He wanted to have some people banned because he was sure they had private hacks.
He resigned because he got pissed off
He made a private hack in order to piss off other people whom he thought were hacking
He gave the admins information in who to contact in order to get better anticheat
A better anti-cheat was developped, private hacks got caught
Look at the bold parts.
See the connection?
I don't know if I'm right here. But if I am, there is one more reason to support Jonny
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Jonny, i haven't seen no one in previous threads questing your ability to leader, since you came back you have made some great and significant improvements. I said this once and i will do it again, i think you are a wise and tolerant guy, but you have no right to ask people to respect Pit after what he did, Pit acted like an immature kid, when he took advantage of his Assist knowledge to bypass Anti-cheat, for that and can not back you up on this specific decision.
Bart those facts are not accurate.
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I also want to take 1 more thing here.
Jonny, you are really a good leader, because you DARE to take controversial measures, for example disabling tracker for mods. I'm sure not many people would do it, but it is one of the best steps I have seen by a leader of a project. I actually think it shows you're a good leader. Even though a decision might not be the best for everyone, at least you try to do the best for the community instead of just waiting and doing nothing.
Furthermore, the Pit case.
I want to state a few facts:
He has been project leader
He wanted to have some people banned because he was sure they had private hacks.
He resigned because he got pissed off
He made a private hack in order to piss off other people whom he thought were hacking
He gave the admins information in who to contact in order to get better anticheat
A better anti-cheat was developped, private hacks got caught
Look at the bold parts.
See the connection?
I don't know if I'm right here. But if I am, there is one more reason to support Jonny
That's in essence what i said here already,
so thx for not quoting me, even partially..
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Jonny, i haven't seen no one in previous threads questing your ability to leader, since you came back you have made some great and significant improvements. I said this once and i will do it again, i think you are a wise and tolerant guy, but you have no right to ask people to respect Pit after what he did, Pit acted like an immature kid, when he took advantage of his Assist knowledge to bypass Anti-cheat, for that and can not back you up on this specific decision.
Bart those facts are not accurate.
All I ask is for tolerance, to wait and see what happens.
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Furthermore, the Pit case.
I want to state a few facts:
He has been project leader
He wanted to have some people banned because he was sure they had private hacks.
He resigned because he got pissed off
He made a private hack in order to piss off other people whom he thought were hacking
He gave the admins information in who to contact in order to get better anticheat
A better anti-cheat was developped, private hacks got caught
If he dont have any proof he can ban ppl thats it. Now when he cant ban the cheater he starts to cheat himself. WTF is that?? He performs as a kid and when he does not get what he wants so he wants revenge. Ban him and NEVER remove it. Jonny has made too many missteps in recent times to remain as leader. Providing free ticket to the cheater is a big sign of weakness from a leader who not dare stand against cheaters.
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If he dont have any proof he can ban ppl thats it. Now when he cant ban the cheater he starts to cheat himself. WTF is that?? He performs as a kid and when he does not get what he wants so he wants revenge. Ban him and NEVER remove it. Jonny has made too many missteps in recent times to remain as leader. Providing free ticket to the cheater is a big sign of weakness from a leader who not dare stand against cheaters.
Apparently you never studied the cold war in school and if you did,
you would wonder about how many secret secret agreements took
place at that time between the US and the USSR.
That's called Diplomacy.
And seriously, people who strive to use private cheats that no one can detect,
WTF is that also ? Be serious.
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Wrong thread, Topic fail brussels :style:
i know, the other thread was closed.
For this thread. Jonym is a good leader.
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Lol, Home of 25 Assist & Ex Hacker.
We are all ex hackers, the whole admin team is. How do we have the skills to do the work that we do without hacking in the game engine. This whole project is only possible because we hack the shit out of the game.
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Brussels sorry but your a downie if you would think a lil bit with your small brain then you would understand why pit23 got unbanned seriously use your fucking brain
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Brussels sorry but your a downie if you would think a lil bit with your small brain then you would understand why pit23 got unbanned seriously use your fucking brain
+10
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Brussels sorry but your a downie if you would think a lil bit with your small brain then you would understand why pit23 got unbanned seriously use your fucking brain
i know why... i read the text self....i just bring a bid action back inside.
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If he dont have any proof he can ban ppl thats it. Now when he cant ban the cheater he starts to cheat himself. WTF is that?? He performs as a kid and when he does not get what he wants so he wants revenge. Ban him and NEVER remove it. Jonny has made too many missteps in recent times to remain as leader. Providing free ticket to the cheater is a big sign of weakness from a leader who not dare stand against cheaters.
Thats what I thought! when i started this poll i was sure i would be voted out.
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Regardless of this last decision, wich was controversial .... i think Jonny is more than worthy of our trust.
I hope Pit shows that trust back to you Jonny, wich i believe he will
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Well actually i'm a little insulted by the community, I thought with all the work I put into the game the last 2 month that when i asked something back from the community (to let Pit play again) you would all show your support for me.
i voted no like boolie stated u made 1 bad call on bringing back pit23, doesn't really matter what aa community thinks anymore, you have done a great job on the game
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I voted NO also,but you know where I stand... :?
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For this thread. Jonym is a good leader.
Luckily you're here to post some good arguments about your point of view. Not even sure why you're still on these forums
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Like tron said I vote no too.
You are more than worth to take leadership but pit is NOT worth to even think about unbanning him.
Thats nothing against him as a person but against that what he has done over the last months.
Supporting you and what you have done for the community has NOTHING to do with your decision about pit.
just my 2 cents.
Helly
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i vote no
but why you dont start vote for pits come back i think its better idea.
ich finde es nach wie vor scheise das wieder mahl 1-2 admin sagen jo pit ist nicht mehr geband.
ich denke für so etwas wehre ein vote angebrachter gewesen.
so das es die gesamte comunity entscheiden kann.
man kann es natürlich nie jeden recht machen aber einfach mahl so nin hacker zu end bannen ist doch ziemlich daneben.
ich finde es ist eifach nicht fair gegen über alle spieler und für die leute die für weit aus weniger scheise geband wurden.
und was wäre assist ohne die spieler?? :shock:
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why you dont start vote for pits come back i think its better idea.
yea that would be a even better idea vote for pits come back
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i vote no
but why you dont start vote for pits come back i think its better idea.
ich finde es nach wie vor scheise das wieder mahl 1-2 admin sagen jo pit ist nicht mehr geband.
ich denke für so etwas wehre ein vote angebrachter gewesen.
so das es die gesamte comunity entscheiden kann.
man kann es natürlich nie jeden recht machen aber einfach mahl so nin hacker zu end bannen ist doch ziemlich daneben.
ich finde es ist eifach nicht fair gegen über alle spieler und für die leute die für weit aus weniger scheise geband wurden.
und was wäre assist ohne die spieler?? :shock:
:up: :up: :up: :up:
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but why you dont start vote for pits come back i think its better idea.
Probably the best suggestion made!
+1
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You are all telling he is perfect leader blablabla. Now let him take responsibility for his actions, and deal with it. He could have told nobody that he unbanned Pit, but he just wanted us to know and to accept it as it is
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Exactly Ganja. He could have just done it and let it be but he took the time to let us know what was going on. That's something a lot of devs/admins don't do.
As for starting a poll for Pit, the results would have been the same as this but the question would have been "Do we allow Pit back in the game?". Very few would vote yes.
If you think we like hackers and want them back in the game, you're dead wrong. The banlist remains quite large and it will stay that way. Pit is a unique case and frankly, I hope he remains legit to prove all you naysayers wrong. As Jonny said, just wait and see, time will tell.
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If he dont have any proof he can ban ppl thats it. Now when he cant ban the cheater he starts to cheat himself. WTF is that?? He performs as a kid and when he does not get what he wants so he wants revenge. Ban him and NEVER remove it. Jonny has made too many missteps in recent times to remain as leader. Providing free ticket to the cheater is a big sign of weakness from a leader who not dare stand against cheaters.
AA25 has been as popular as ever under Jonny. He made this. Too many missteps? Name one besides the whole Pit fiasco (which is debatable). The truth is, this game is rolling better than it ever did under Pit. We've got a ton of newly converted maps, SAI being added, training coming back. So many great things for this game are happening but you're focused on one perceived negative event.