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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: Vanoke on Friday, September 13, 2013, 16:56:59 PM
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3 guys puf clan played AA4 inc me we say AA2 is special and is still the best first person shooter.
If aa4 was in aa2 graphic it will be the same like aa2 maps and you wood say that the guns in aa2 are finer and better to play whit .
AA2 is better YES!
We are waiting Assist. gif the game aa2 his best.
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The thing is, i believe it's like comparing apples to oranges (or lemons, if you like!).
I enjoyed the combat medic part on Proving Grounds. And a few maps are truly interesting (on Proving Grounds,being fast paced). I really like how they made the whole Hospital. Bridge instead looks and plays awful to me.
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I would say it's more like comparing a lemon (AA4) to a grapefruit (AA2)
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We players must choose not the appels and the orange and special not the banana`s
I see bad graphics in maps of aa4 , the medic part is better but they stil wait till you get medic and than they shoot the medic and the fictum.
The thing is, i believe it's like comparing apples to oranges (or lemons, if you like!).
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We players must choose not the appels and the orange and special not the banana`s
Choose? Personally, i play several games.
Hurrrrr what's about the bananas? You're a banana racist? :D
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Go for the milkshake buddy ;)
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I wish i was a banana >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SENK0l01v60
Choose? Personally, i play several games.
Hurrrrr what's about the bananas? You're a banana racist? :D
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Arma 3 is pretty good. But its not free, thats bad. And needs a good pc as well.
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We players must choose not the appels and the orange and special not the banana`s
I see bad graphics in maps of aa4 , the medic part is better but they stil wait till you get medic and than they shoot the medic and the fictum.
Its a BETA! The graphics will be touched up dramatically.
You can not compare this game to AA4. AA2 is a classic and truly a unique FPS that we all loved. I do believe that AA4 will not fail like AA3 did. If they incorporate AA2 maps like Insurgent Camp, Pipeline, Mout etc I really think that AA4 will take off.
I think a lot of you should cut the chord and put this classic game to rest.
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what im not understanding is why people who dont want AA2 to live on, continue to come here and say it. i know for one if i ever wanted something like that to happen, i would never login to the forums of that game ever again and just walk away never to look back. But i see lots of people saying let AA2 rip and move on and such things. Why not just walk away from these forums and never look back to them if you feel that way?
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it is hear a joke yes no bla shit...
aao2 is best free game ever!!!!!
i have play aao4 and i dont will say it sux it is funny game but it is not army....
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no
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what im not understanding is why people who dont want AA2 to live on, continue to come here and say it. i know for one if i ever wanted something like that to happen, i would never login to the forums of that game ever again and just walk away never to look back. But i see lots of people saying let AA2 rip and move on and such things. Why not just walk away from these forums and never look back to them if you feel that way?
I came back to read the excuses that the admins would come up with. Its pretty fucked up when an update is made so that these cock suckers can have access to anyone's computer.
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I came back to read the excuses that the admins would come up with. Its pretty fucked up when an update is made so that these cock suckers can have access to anyone's computer.
1. You're off-topic.
2. If you can't understand what happened and don't agree with it, why are you still here?
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NO
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Aa4 is a bad ass game , problem here from you all didn't give it a chance and wanna be playing only 1 game that is close to 10 years old, don't get me wrong aa2 is and will always be the best made realistic game.. but before talking bad about Aa4 play it for a good month guaranteed you will enjoy playing it as much as aa2, if not then it's just not for you then
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aa2 is by far better than 114 they messed this game up well AND TRUELY AA3 ANd aa4 aint even near to aa2 cant beat it
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AA2 is better then the others, The others have turned into Gears of War if you look at them closely. Same concept.
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I like AA4, its a pretty fun game being able to bandage yourself, heal teammates and secure the enemy, it makes it a team game because you all help each other, when someone on your team is taken down you take out the enemy then you can heal your downed teammate bringing your team back together.
I still prefer AA2 however because like people have said it feels far more realistic with the gameplay, weapons, shooting etc
So yeh, both have good and bad points but I think AA2 will always be closer to peoples hearts :style:
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no.
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lol all assist admins are idiots. i seen this before so i stoped playing. die all assist programmers
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Funny how you're still hanging around
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I came back to read the excuses that the admins would come up with. Its pretty fucked up when an update is made so that these cock suckers can have access to anyone's computer.
just piss of now
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I played AA4 for the last days and it has nothing to do with Americas Army apart from the name. Its just like any other shooter game. There are less features than in AA2. You cannot pickup/drop weapons, no fix jams. No leaning. You can live grenades but in a dumb way. AA2 was way better in many aspects. The biggest map is Hospital. The rest of the maps are the size of Collapsed Tunnel. Or 1/2 of Dusk. No tactical play, just stupid rushes and revives.
AA2 is just better !
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the aspect of self healing was integrated in 2.8.5
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:)AA2 better
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the aspect of self healing was integrated in 2.8.5
It wasn't self healing, it was field dressing. Which meant to lie down on the ground, press some button, wait untill the bar will be filled, and eventually- it did almost NOTHING, i.e., it slowered you bleeding. And you could only do it if you were a medic, and only once in a round.
In AA:PG, it's a Rambo self healing, everyone is a medic, you can bandage yourself instantly while being shot at and COMPLETELY stop bleeding. And then run and revive a whole team. And then be shot and get revived and etc.
It's a bs BF wanna be game with much worse graphics (unreal engine) and much less features.
I don't say that people cant like it. For a free game its probably one of the best ones, but it has nothing to do with the original Americas Army concept
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I will start by saying that you cannot compare 2 games that are over 10 years apart from each other.
I agree with whoever said that the only thing that they have in common is the name, what makes AA2 or AA4 the best game is up to you, wether yuo like AA4 or AA2 the best having said that i will give my 2 cents.
Before i start i would like to say that this is my personal opinion, any hate post or trolling will be responded with a FCUK OFF.
AA2:
1- Great Maps (tactical ones and Rush ones).
2- Great Gameplay (leaning pronning,lay down, Weapon Jams etc all feels natural to me).
3- Weapon sounds, looks and feel great.
4- Ingame sound (foosteps, direction where bullets are fired etc is not so great to me).
5- Great comunity people here are really friends. (I guess this is for the mature ones).
6- Many other great things.
AA4:
1- Altho there are few weapons in the game they look really good and if you get the hang on them you are pretty much unstopable.
2- Medic Clasification, altho i call it bullshit because no one can get revived from a HS with a sniper rifle that must crack your head like a watermelon.
3- Tactical maps like 3 kings if defense plays his cards rigth the objective is unbreachable.
4- New engine wich is always great.
I can agree that this new version of AA is nothing like the real deal, or what the US Army show us in previous versions, but i do belive that as the gaem is still a work in progress they will be fixing things and pleasing the cominity.
Thank you for taking the time to try to understand my poor english.
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I will start by saying that you cannot compare 2 games that are over 10 years apart from each other.
I agree with whoever said that the only thing that they have in common is the name, what makes AA2 or AA4 the best game is up to you, wether yuo like AA4 or AA2 the best having said that i will give my 2 cents.
Before i start i would like to say that this is my personal opinion, any hate post or trolling will be responded with a FCUK OFF.
AA2:
1- Great Maps (tactical ones and Rush ones).
2- Great Gameplay (leaning pronning,lay down, Weapon Jams etc all feels natural to me).
3- Weapon sounds, looks and feel great.
4- Ingame sound (foosteps, direction where bullets are fired etc is not so great to me).
5- Great comunity people here are really friends. (I guess this is for the mature ones).
6- Many other great things.
AA4:
1- Altho there are few weapons in the game they look really good and if you get the hang on them you are pretty much unstopable.
2- Medic Clasification, altho i call it bullshit because no one can get revived from a HS with a sniper rifle that must crack your head like a watermelon.
3- Tactical maps like 3 kings if defense plays his cards rigth the objective is unbreachable.
4- New engine wich is always great.
I can agree that this new version of AA is nothing like the real deal, or what the US Army show us in previous versions, but i do belive that as the gaem is still a work in progress they will be fixing things and pleasing the cominity.
Thank you for taking the time to try to understand my poor english.
I agree with everything you said, except the fact that the stuff you mentioned about AA4 are adventages: Medic Calssification is bs- exactly like you said. 3 kings is unbalanced in favor of deff- so it's a disadvantage.
The only thing that is an advntage about AA4 is its graphics, which is no way can compensate for the stuff you have mentioned about AA2
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I will start by saying that you cannot compare 2 games that are over 10 years apart from each other.
I agree with whoever said that the only thing that they have in common is the name, what makes AA2 or AA4 the best game is up to you, wether yuo like AA4 or AA2 the best having said that i will give my 2 cents.
Before i start i would like to say that this is my personal opinion, any hate post or trolling will be responded with a FCUK OFF.
AA2:
1- Great Maps (tactical ones and Rush ones).
2- Great Gameplay (leaning pronning,lay down, Weapon Jams etc all feels natural to me).
3- Weapon sounds, looks and feel great.
4- Ingame sound (foosteps, direction where bullets are fired etc is not so great to me).
5- Great comunity people here are really friends. (I guess this is for the mature ones).
6- Many other great things.
AA4:
1- Altho there are few weapons in the game they look really good and if you get the hang on them you are pretty much unstopable.
2- Medic Clasification, altho i call it bullshit because no one can get revived from a HS with a sniper rifle that must crack your head like a watermelon.
3- Tactical maps like 3 kings if defense plays his cards rigth the objective is unbreachable.
4- New engine wich is always great.
I can agree that this new version of AA is nothing like the real deal, or what the US Army show us in previous versions, but i do belive that as the gaem is still a work in progress they will be fixing things and pleasing the cominity.
Thank you for taking the time to try to understand my poor english.
Good arguments. One thing i'd like to say is: About AA4, when you get a headshot you can't get revived right? Think i saw it on a video. On youtube the game looks good, just sad they made it too different of AA2 :/
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Don't judge a book by it's cover, it is still a work in progres...
AA2 has far much more unique features than AA4 that is for sure but we have to wait and see what the Devs come up with,.
@ganja that is on HARDCORE servers, but basically you can set your server with your own set of rules get revived once, get shot again full disable and other stuffs.
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AA2 is origional, and unique gameplay that makes it awesome.
AA3 and now4 are just too much like COD and BF. More unrealistic, too fast pace, lame graphics and so on and so on.
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Aa2 by far is the best game made, but I don't people here is giving aa4 a real chance, by playing it a week or 2 isn't enough time to get use to it
Let me guess when aa2 1st came out everyone loved it the 1st week????? Lol I think not
Graphics in aa4 are fucking awesome,
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Let me guess when aa2 1st came out everyone loved it the 1st week????? Lol I think not
SITREP (7.5.02)
America's Army is experiencing unprecedented popularity! Just prior to its release, the AA website had an average of 750,000 hits/sec. This was merely a premonition of things to come... In the 36 hours of its release, AA:O RECON has been downloaded by several hundred thousand gamers (thanks to all the folks and the gaming community for sharing in this herculean effort!) At its peak, HomeLAN's authentication system has served over 500,000 authentications - averaging 15 every second! Demand for AA:O RECON has been so great that we've increased our game servers by twenty-five percent the past twelve hours (with more on the way)! All this -- and its only been 36 hours! We were prepared for quite a rush -- but who ever thought it would be something of this magnitude! Thanks for all the feedback and support in making this special RECON version so successful! Stay tuned and check back here regularly -- there's much more to come! [Bacchus]
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SITREP (7.5.02)
America's Army is experiencing unprecedented popularity! Just prior to its release, the AA website had an average of 750,000 hits/sec. This was merely a premonition of things to come... In the 36 hours of its release, AA:O RECON has been downloaded by several hundred thousand gamers (thanks to all the folks and the gaming community for sharing in this herculean effort!) At its peak, HomeLAN's authentication system has served over 500,000 authentications - averaging 15 every second! Demand for AA:O RECON has been so great that we've increased our game servers by twenty-five percent the past twelve hours (with more on the way)! All this -- and its only been 36 hours! We were prepared for quite a rush -- but who ever thought it would be something of this magnitude! Thanks for all the feedback and support in making this special RECON version so successful! Stay tuned and check back here regularly -- there's much more to come! [Bacchus]
Taken from the AmericaArmy site. 500,000 authentication in the first 36 hours. What did AA4 achieve in it's miserable 36 hours? 3 downloads, while one of them was by mistake
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people are too scared to leave their comfort zone of AA2 to give AA4 a decent enough go.
Personally I think the beta is pretty good.
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people are too scared to leave their comfort zone of AA2 to give AA4 a decent enough go.
Personally I think the beta is pretty good.
Well stated, there stuck and afraid they might just like it, least there's 3 games to jump around and play instead of being stuck on playing 1
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I think many of you are still getting it wrong, it's Proving Grounds, not America's Army 4. It's a different game. It's not yet as refined as America's Army 2, not it has the same approach. IF anything, one thing i like of how it's running right now, is that it seems that the default server setting is made to continuosly run through several maps, and since there are plenty of servers running on what i guess is the default setting, the server isn't hosting the same mission gameplay 24/7 as i see happening on plenty of AA2 Assist based servers.
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I think many of you are still getting it wrong, it's Proving Grounds, not America's Army 4. It's a different game. It's not yet as refined as America's Army 2, not it has the same approach. IF anything, one thing i like of how it's running right now, is that it seems that the default server setting is made to continuosly run through several maps, and since there are plenty of servers running on what i guess is the default setting, the server isn't hosting the same mission gameplay 24/7 as i see happening on plenty of AA2 Assist based servers.
Good points. It's like saying BF heroes and BF3 aren't same :D
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I think many of you are still getting it wrong, it's Proving Grounds, not America's Army 4. It's a different game. It's not yet as refined as America's Army 2, not it has the same approach. IF anything, one thing i like of how it's running right now, is that it seems that the default server setting is made to continuosly run through several maps, and since there are plenty of servers running on what i guess is the default setting, the server isn't hosting the same mission gameplay 24/7 as i see happening on plenty of AA2 Assist based servers.
Totally agree.
I must say it got potential actually, but it needs some improvements. Which is normal since this is a beta. But it does have potential. Let's see if the DEVs use this potential.
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This is my opinion, which ofcourse is correct.
People who spent a huge amount of time and effort in the aa2 game, learning every possible way to play it, learned nades, tactics, bugs, exploits, advantages. To use in their own winning, or to prevent some doing them. These people, including myself, can't appreciate the aa3 and aa4 gameplay since it is not part of the same family when it comes to movement, gameplay, sound and feeling. This being said, my conclusion is that people who played aa2 in a less serious level, enjoy the new americas army games more than say, for instance myself. I can't bring myself to get into a game, get serious and have fun (this is how i have fun playing a online fps game) when aa4 is like a completley diffrent game, with a whole other gameplay and feeling. there's no advantage tactics, the maps don't allow it, there's no smart gameplay since you can't hear shit compared to aa2. Being a betatester for aa4 I learned this very early, trying to convice developers of AA4 to lean more towards the old gameplay in aa2 was like trying to scream in outer space (which would be easier to try then to play aa4 in the way you played aa2)
For me, and for the whole community that spent as much time in aa2 as myself, or even more time; aa4 is a total waste of time and money from the developers and the american gouverment.
You all pro-aa4 people can go along and say that it's a really good game and they improved alot of stuff, statistically and ofcourse imo you are dead beat wrong. The amount of players playing aa4, and aa3 which i barely even mention since it was an utter failiure is probably exceeded by the amount of people still playing aa2 through assist.
I miss the good gameplay and friends i made through AA, seeing people trying to keep aa2 alive makes me happy, sure. But it will never be the same again.
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it got potential
it does have potential.
DEVs use this potential.
Seems this game has potential... :bow:
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I think many of you are still getting it wrong, it's Proving Grounds, not America's Army 4. It's a different game. It's not yet as refined as America's Army 2, not it has the same approach. IF anything, one thing i like of how it's running right now, is that it seems that the default server setting is made to continuosly run through several maps, and since there are plenty of servers running on what i guess is the default setting, the server isn't hosting the same mission gameplay 24/7 as i see happening on plenty of AA2 Assist based servers.
Yes the map rotation needs to be fixed in AA2, I highly agree. I have tried both and at some point it changes the query port and then is no longer listed after a map change.
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Seems this game has potential... :bow:
It's the most important word in this case yes, all fun aside. It is not anything good YET. but it is possible to make it a lot better with some adjustments.
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I would say AA2 is better,,,much more layed back,, I myself was a beta tester also. I find that AA4 is alittle fast for me almost like cod,, maybe diff for others as i am old school AA,, I like to chill and hang out have fun.. AA4 you chill ,,you get dropped hahaha !!!! I mean that game does have potential but as for now AA2 is better in my opinion. Its all fun though.. !!!!! HOOAH !!!!!
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aa4 is actually a pretty fun game, I myself being an aa2 enthusiast had much fun playing aa4, I found myself dog fighting people just like in aa2, Of course the movement is different, but jumping around corners to shoot someone in the face, is virtually the same in both games.
aa2 will always be the diamond in the rough game that I will always love and enjoy, The game is very unique in its genre of gaming. The movement, the sound, and yes the community for many many years has always been a little more then friendly at times.
aa4 being new and in beta, I gave it a shot feeling much the same way that Ares feels. Not being able to change games because I was so used to aa2 and how amazing and different it was to other FPS games out currently. If you don't like the game at first, try again but instead with some friends from aa2. The game is much much much better when you have friends who are playing with you. The teamwork is virtually identical to that of aa2. I think you will find yourself changing your mind after a few rounds with friends.
That being said, I wouldn't tell anyone to jump the ship on aa2. Aa2 is a great game, and will always be the granddaddy of all aa's now, and in the future.
aa4 breakdown :
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Teamwork is actually very good. Reviving a teammate so that he may come back to kill the whole enemy team is always a great feeling.
Graphics arent too shabby, maybe a few tweaks to some textures are needed, but other than that its pretty nice.
Everyone is a medic, allowing you to bandage yourself and revive fallen comrades.
No Training required to play certain maps or use a selected gun.
Cons:
Stiff Movement. Coming from aa2 to aa4 you can immediately tell the movement is much stiffer. You cant lean, and thus its much harder to pick your opponent off in close quarter combat around corners. Although, ive heard that they said they may be adding in a lean, im not too sure about it, but I do not believe it will ever match how aa2's leaning and other various subtle movements are.
Sound, yes the sound. It is still possible to use the sound to locate where someone is. I was almost tempted to put this as a PRO, but I feel that aa2's sound is much superior when it comes to pinpointing an enemies location using nothing but their footsteps and meshes rubbing against each other.
Its in beta, few minor bugs are to be expected.
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So that is pretty much aa4 in a nutshell, the gameplay IS faster. However, its slightly slower than COD is. You CAN still camp and you CAN take your time. The game is in Beta people, its not finished and there is much tweaking still in the works. But if you can bring yourself to play then I think you will find that it IS a fun game.
To answer your question on whether or not it is better or is not better. That is a very hard question, mostly because the game is not finished. Aa2 has had years of work poured into it and in many ways it was still an unfinished game. aa4 on the other hand is still very much in its early stages and to judge a game when its not in an actually released product would be unfair. All I can say is give it a shot and judge for yourself.
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I love AA. I began playing at the age of 5 years old with my dad, mom, and older sister. We made the AoG clan, and I guess it kinda stuck. After a few years the community died, and my family gave up on the game. I at one point tried aa3, but did not get the feeling I used to get from my favorite AA. AA2!! I saw that AA4 came out, tried it. My opinion to "arcady". The developers are trying to interest younger children as a recruiting mechanism. The game does not have the best aspects of AA2, and all of the maps of AA4 are crappy remakes of AA2 maps. I especially hate the new bridge map! AA2 will live on forever as the best Americas Army!
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Welcome back :)
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It wasn't self healing, it was field dressing. Which meant to lie down on the ground, press some button, wait untill the bar will be filled, and eventually- it did almost NOTHING, i.e., it slowered you bleeding. And you could only do it if you were a medic, and only once in a round.
In AA:PG, it's a Rambo self healing, everyone is a medic, you can bandage yourself instantly while being shot at and COMPLETELY stop bleeding. And then run and revive a whole team. And then be shot and get revived and etc.
It's a bs BF wanna be game with much worse graphics (unreal engine) and much less features.
I don't say that people cant like it. For a free game its probably one of the best ones, but it has nothing to do with the original Americas Army concept
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It wasn't self healing, it was field dressing. Which meant to lie down on the ground, press some button, wait untill the bar will be filled, and eventually- it did almost NOTHING, i.e., it slowered you bleeding. And you could only do it if you were a medic, and only once in a round.
everyone could heal themselves, no need to be a medic and you could do it while crouching too, and ofcourse aapg is shit, what could you expect from devs that dont listen to comp community, bad, bad devs. damn sometimes i think, if devs would make a total remake of aa2 with better engine etc.. then the statistics would be like 100 time higher than right now.
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AA2 for the win. I dont need a callofdutystyle Gameplay in americas army. 2.5 is still the most tacticool game;)
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AA2 for the win. I dont need a callofdutystyle Gameplay in americas army. 2.5 is still the most tacticool game;)
You said that because you never played in Arma...
On topic: This question is nonsense - it depends on who you ask ...
- Old school players will vote for AA2.5 because of gameplay, cause they know it and it's hard to change for them the way they play it.
- For the noobies AA3/4 is better because they don't like too much any kind of simulations (soldier classes etc...) - easy gameplay => easy kill.
There is many aspects, which will vote for AA3/4 like new Engine, much better graphic quality, new server system - but for oldies it doesn't matter...
Some time ago, the UT community asked themselves the same question and at the end, they split for the same reasons.
For me, none of them is better than Arma 2/3 - in any aspect (gameplay, simulation, graphic quality etc.).
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the last modern americas army i played was 3, and it failed... bad servers, bad connections, etc..
so i could not test the gameplay. stil, being on linux i doubt i will ever be able to play the latest / newest americas army.
off topic about that arma simulator :
to respond to the tactical realism (which will always be adjusted to fit a game), arma is a continuation of operation flashpoint once the most realistic army shooter, but its modern versions wearing that name are not so "real".
the devs behind arma once where the devs of cold war crisis, but the publishers blocked them from using the O.P. name so it became arma.
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Off topic:
...arma is a continuation of operation flashpoint once the most realistic army shooter, but its modern versions wearing that name are not so "real"...
Yeah, even OF2 is not the same... Still - from time to time - I play once again in the original OF. Graphic quality is nil, but the gameplay is a masterpiece.
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This is like Comparing Diablo II to Diablo III lol, too much hate :banned:
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Will never let go of AA2. Tried both aa3 and aa4 with such high hopes that i guess it ruined it for me. NOTHING like the original. although they are both unique in there own ways, not for me. AA2 or ill play BF for xbox lol