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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: General_alkos on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 06:47:36 AM
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It happened to me many times that when I play with him he knows where I am and he shouldn't know!
https://youtu.be/UuHMRYOD6Xo
here is a video that proves that something is wrong
Tommy hid from the very start of the game and didn't move. Hello, does Cavez know where he is?? I never know where the enemy is like him.
Watch the last game where he hides in the room from the beginning and listen to him above you! he knows it's there and he's just thinking of a way to kill him, which isn't obvious, but he jumps and kills me before time runs out...
Bart, don't defend him like other "pro players" because I played with him and it happened to me many times, especially on maps where there is time to play
I just want all players to have the same chances in the game!!
Bok
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Nice, it's not unusual for anyone when someone knows where you are and shouldn't know!!
I am so glad to see that we are all equal:):)
All players who play this this is normal and they don't mind when they get killed easily??
If it's normal for you all, it's normal for me too,haha
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he doesn't cheat in this video... old farts... move your ass and kill him... otherwise he'll search you and kill you ... nothing suspicious to me. and I took time to watch this camping video... :D
No more Beer/weed for you guys :P :D
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considering Kurt Cobain, your avatar, I think you should give up drugs:):)
look again and play with it
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he doesn't cheat in this video... old farts... move your ass and kill him... otherwise he'll search you and kill you ... nothing suspicious to me. and I took time to watch this camping video... :D
No more Beer/weed for you guys :P :D
Easy to make general comments but quite obviously you havnt studied the last game. I hid right from the start . He finds me and hangs around above , throws a nade , then a flash , shoots a bit at nothing while he decides how to kill me , waits for timer to near the end and jumps in front of me amazingly facing my exact position and kills me just before timer ends . I made zero sound or movements that created any sound onec it was at my position . The game has few players but we need honest players not dominators who use exploits / cheats to gain a big advantage .
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Tommy, this isn't the first time you have raised objections to other players that is unfounded in reality.
You need to come to the realization that as good as you may feel you may play there will always be those that play better than you. This also goes in life in general. You may not like the manner in which they play but that does not mean they are cheating. Now weather they are using advantage play is up for debate such as rapid fire shooting, etc. He and others out there have either some type of rapid fire bind (I allows thought that assist would detect that but it seems it still allows it) or some hardware mouse rapid fire, or he is really good at hitting that fire button, lol. I know I cannot manually hit fire button that consistently fast but then again there may be peps that can.
As for the actual video I watched it and didn't see anything wrong.
The first round he saw you as he peeked real quick around the stone. Simple as that. And you where hiding in a logical spot to look.
The second round you flat out missed him. He didn't see you as he was turned the other way. At that point you gave up your location up and did nothing to either move so logically he flashed you and killed you. He did say you got him red though.
As for the third round quite frankly your teammate gave you up. I heard him come up the left side of you and around and killed you teammate. He then went back to his side OBJ so he scanned the map, he knew you were probably back at spawn somewhere, sounded like he flash the sniper room with the second floor, didn't find you there and then went to your obj didn't find you and with all the information he gathered from above, deduced that you were probably below. Some times it is just a matter of knowing the most likely spots where people will go by process of elimination.
I will say that jump and then shoot shit is gay but again its part of the game, deal with it.
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I agree with Engineer.
Fast shooting is detected indeed. We can see the average shots/second and based on that know if it's humanly possible. Temporary bans occur for these.
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Tommy, this isn't the first time you have raised objections to other players that is unfounded in reality.
You need to come to the realization that as good as you may feel you may play there will always be those that play better than you. This also goes in life in general. You may not like the manner in which they play but that does not mean they are cheating. Now weather they are using advantage play is up for debate such as rapid fire shooting, etc. He and others out there have either some type of rapid fire bind (I allows thought that assist would detect that but it seems it still allows it) or some hardware mouse rapid fire, or he is really good at hitting that fire button, lol. I know I cannot manually hit fire button that consistently fast but then again there may be peps that can.
As for the actual video I watched it and didn't see anything wrong.
The first round he saw you as he peeked real quick around the stone. Simple as that. And you where hiding in a logical spot to look.
The second round you flat out missed him. He didn't see you as he was turned the other way. At that point you gave up your location up and did nothing to either move so logically he flashed you and killed you. He did say you got him red though.
As for the third round quite frankly your teammate gave you up. I heard him come up the left side of you and around and killed you teammate. He then went back to his side OBJ so he scanned the map, he knew you were probably back at spawn somewhere, sounded like he flash the sniper room with the second floor, didn't find you there and then went to your obj didn't find you and with all the information he gathered from above, deduced that you were probably below. Some times it is just a matter of knowing the most likely spots where people will go by process of elimination.
I will say that jump and then shoot shit is gay but again its part of the game, deal with it.
Engineer ,my observations lie in the third game . I have not made any comments on the first two . How do you think my tema mate ` gave me up ` ? We wernt following each other around . I sat still all game , no sound . There were many other places to hide. Having played a good amount of time with this player I decided to video the games , just those 3 . The Players said he was willing to send his INI to prove he wasnt doing anything ! What does this prove ? He might have 3-4 versions of it . Just lame excuses all the time .
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Tommy, this isn't the first time you have raised objections to other players that is unfounded in reality.
You need to come to the realization that as good as you may feel you may play there will always be those that play better than you. This also goes in life in general. You may not like the manner in which they play but that does not mean they are cheating. Now weather they are using advantage play is up for debate such as rapid fire shooting, etc. He and others out there have either some type of rapid fire bind (I allows thought that assist would detect that but it seems it still allows it) or some hardware mouse rapid fire, or he is really good at hitting that fire button, lol. I know I cannot manually hit fire button that consistently fast but then again there may be peps that can.
As for the actual video I watched it and didn't see anything wrong.
The first round he saw you as he peeked real quick around the stone. Simple as that. And you where hiding in a logical spot to look.
The second round you flat out missed him. He didn't see you as he was turned the other way. At that point you gave up your location up and did nothing to either move so logically he flashed you and killed you. He did say you got him red though.
As for the third round quite frankly your teammate gave you up. I heard him come up the left side of you and around and killed you teammate. He then went back to his side OBJ so he scanned the map, he knew you were probably back at spawn somewhere, sounded like he flash the sniper room with the second floor, didn't find you there and then went to your obj didn't find you and with all the information he gathered from above, deduced that you were probably below. Some times it is just a matter of knowing the most likely spots where people will go by process of elimination.
I will say that jump and then shoot shit is gay but again its part of the game, deal with it.
Just another thing !
`This also goes in life in general. You may not like the manner in which they play but that does not mean they are cheating. Now weather they are using advantage play is up for debate such as rapid fire shooting, etc.`
Is this not contradictory ?! Is rapid fire cheating or isnt ? Exploits can be turned On and OFF anytime .
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I assume your guys were playing a while before you actually started recording so he had some what of a history on your game play and how you would react to certain situations. In that round your teammate was clearly heard to the right of you as I listened to the video. That was clear even without watching the SAI. If I heard it then most likely he heard it as he came around the left side. Typically players tend to stick close together as they have a "feeling of safety" that someone else is covering there back. He can deduce that you were probably close by. Then he went all the way back to his side got the OBJ and came all the way back without even a shot at him so by deductive reasoning he can infer that you were somewhere back at your spawn area. From the sound available from your viewpoint he went to various places and finally found you in one of the most common places on that side peps go to hide. Again, simple connecting the dots. Noting special about it. He just decided that if you were there he was going to make it a jump shot.
For what it is worth it was kind of cruel how it ended but again that is the game.
As for rapid firing binds and / or hardware rapid fire mouse hardware: I would prefer peps play using what they are given physically rather than rely on these things but I leave it up to Assist admins to determine what is allowed and not allowed.
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I assume your guys were playing a while before you actually started recording so he had some what of a history on your game play and how you would react to certain situations. In that round your teammate was clearly heard to the right of you as I listened to the video. That was clear even without watching the SAI. If I heard it then most likely he heard it as he came around the left side. Typically players tend to stick close together as they have a "feeling of safety" that someone else is covering there back. He can deduce that you were probably close by. Then he went all the way back to his side got the OBJ and came all the way back without even a shot at him so by deductive reasoning he can infer that you were somewhere back at your spawn area. From the sound available from your viewpoint he went to various places and finally found you in one of the most common places on that side peps go to hide. Again, simple connecting the dots. Noting special about it. He just decided that if you were there he was going to make it a jump shot.
For what it is worth it was kind of cruel how it ended but again that is the game.
As for rapid firing binds and / or hardware rapid fire mouse hardware: I would prefer peps play using what they are given physically rather than rely on these things but I leave it up to Assist admins to determine what is allowed and not allowed.
I think youve read far more into this argument than I have !! LooL
I was playing alone , No wingman .
You can hear he didnt go round searching the map , that was my point . the video maybe makes the sound less close but I know the turn of events .
Ill leave it there .
Tom
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With all do respect, I think you need a better sound card / headphones then.
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With all do respect, I think you need a better sound card / headphones then.
SoundBlaster Z Series with Sennheiser Wired Headphones .
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I agree with Engineer.
Fast shooting is detected indeed. We can see the average shots/second and based on that know if it's humanly possible. Temporary bans occur for these.
sadly I disagree with you, maybe you should purchase bloody v7 mouse and see the advantages it has lol you b suprized, but you can't ban players for using a nice mouse
can turn your burst fire gun into auto mode click of a key
Not saying he's using a cheat, exploting maps most definetly just like rollos does on urban, but assist doesn't ban for exploits.
this dude chavez probably can hear a fart from 2 miles away sound makes a big differene, though i like the last 1 killed him at the last 4 seconds jump headshot lol
just another player that plays solely for frag rate on a 20 year old game roflmfao..
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I never liked the players who play for fr and camp.
I've been playing without sound for 20 years, just for fun
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I never liked the players who play for fr and camp.
I've been playing without sound for 20 years, just for fun
Me as well I don't use sound when i play, too annoying,,,,
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sadly I disagree with you, maybe you should purchase bloody v7 mouse and see the advantages it has lol you b suprized, but you can't ban players for using a nice mouse
can turn your burst fire gun into auto mode click of a key
Not saying he's using a cheat, exploting maps most definetly just like rollos does on urban, but assist doesn't ban for exploits.
this dude chavez probably can hear a fart from 2 miles away sound makes a big differene, though i like the last 1 killed him at the last 4 seconds jump headshot lol
just another player that plays solely for frag rate on a 20 year old game roflmfao..
I would never play such a mouse which is overpriced just for an unfair advantage. That's wasting money.
I'd rather go for a mouse with precision and good grip and good durability.
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I would never play such a mouse which is overpriced just for an unfair advantage. That's wasting money.
I'd rather go for a mouse with precision and good grip and good durability.
you may not but many do, point is unfair advantage can be done and not be caught by your anticheat
.. remember are good buddy pit23 lol, yous never caught him nor your anticheat caught him... just ban him from game
you can't say theres is no kiddie undected cheat for this game. pretty god dam sad and pathedic if people really need a cheat on a 20 year old game lol.. , I can prove you wrong but I would'nt lower myself to these lowlifes
I don't know if this dude is using or not can give 2 shits, but in spector mode he's funny as shit watching his game play after every kill he stops for 2 sec or so, maybe toggle on and toggle off who knows lol..
regarding sound i agree sound makes a big difference, but if a player isn't moving and not making a sound explain how this guys runs directly to his target every round?? lol so i see why tommy suspects him
btw by him making a video of him playing means nothing lol,
thx god MW3 is a great game lol
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you may not but many do, point is unfair advantage can be done and not be caught by your anticheat
.. remember are good buddy pit23 lol, yous never caught him nor your anticheat caught him... just ban him from game
you can't say theres is no kiddie undected cheat for this game. pretty god dam sad and pathedic if people really need a cheat on a 20 year old game lol.. , I can prove you wrong but I would'nt lower myself to these lowlifes
I'm sure you're right. There are always cheats that are impossible to detect with software. People have nowadays built ways of cheating that don't involve any software on the machine you're playing on. This would be impossible to detect with anticheat on the machine.
There's also other external things they could use to give them an advantage.
And this would be true even if we had a 100% accurate anti cheat (which we surely don't).
As I'm sure you're aware, cheating is also present in areas where a lot more money is spent trying to counter it. Think of sports. The mainline thinking seems to that if it's not explicitly forbidden (or if they simply cannot detect it) it's fair game.
So while I understand the frustration. And I'm not claiming there's no players on 25Assist that don't use cheats external to the game (be it software or hardware). But there's only so far we can go with what we've got available (i.e existing anti cheat and our limited capabilities of expanding it).
I don't know if this dude is using or not can give 2 shits, but in spector mode he's funny as shit watching his game play after every kill he stops for 2 sec or so, maybe toggle on and toggle off who knows lol..
regarding sound i agree sound makes a big difference, but if a player isn't moving and not making a sound explain how this guys runs directly to his target every round?? lol so i see why tommy suspects him
btw by him making a video of him playing means nothing lol,
I also agree that this view of the video can look somewhat suspicious (only referring to the very last jump).
But we don't know how many corners he jumped around without seeing anyone.
And even if this was the only corner he jumped around it wouldn't prove anything. Sometimes you just get a gut feeling. And sometimes that gut feeling is correct.
The video provides just one example. It proves nothing.
If you observe someone for long enough, you can probably find similar instances for near about any player.
EDIT: The answer in the last part is not necessarily directed at you, Wickid.
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sadly I disagree with you, maybe you should purchase bloody v7 mouse and see the advantages it has lol you b suprized, but you can't ban players for using a nice mouse
can turn your burst fire gun into auto mode click of a key
Nah man, a "Nice Mouse" is the Logitech G Pro Superlight. A "Nice Mouse" is the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro. This mouse just sounds like it's straight up cheating and you can absolutely ban for that. We've banned macro (auto fire with one click) before and we can certainly do it again. The trick is being able to detect it.
I get the point that the anti-cheat isn't all encompassing, and it's absolutely not. We couldn't even hope to get the type of detection modern FPS games get, and even those aren't absolute. The one big benefit we have is server admins being able to ban obvious cheaters. The obvious downside is good players getting banned by bad server admins but you can't win every battle here.
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Nah man, a "Nice Mouse" is the Logitech G Pro Superlight. A "Nice Mouse" is the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro. This mouse just sounds like it's straight up cheating and you can absolutely ban for that. We've banned macro (auto fire with one click) before and we can certainly do it again. The trick is being able to detect it.
I get the point that the anti-cheat isn't all encompassing, and it's absolutely not. We couldn't even hope to get the type of detection modern FPS games get, and even those aren't absolute. The one big benefit we have is server admins being able to ban obvious cheaters. The obvious downside is good players getting banned by bad server admins but you can't win every battle here.
So what constitutes an obvious cheater ?
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So what constitutes an obvious cheater ?
If they stand at spawn and never move but single-headshot everyone who gets within their field of view regarldess of how many people come out at once or how far they are.
Short of something dead obvious like that, it's incredible difficult (if not impossible) distinguish a great player from a cheating one solely based on game play.
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So what constitutes an obvious cheater ?
I'll just reiterate what teddy said. It'd be either killing people from spawn, or inhumane snapping to targets. Outside of that, it's incredibly difficult to tell between the best players and cheaters. The sad reality is that this game is over 20 years old on a 3 generation old Unreal Engine. It's not like cheat detection for Unreal 2 is still ongoing.
The biggest cheat deterrent this game has is the fact that committing resources to cheating in such an old game doesn't really make much sense. There's no clout in it.
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I'll just reiterate what teddy said. It'd be either killing people from spawn, or inhumane snapping to targets. Outside of that, it's incredibly difficult to tell between the best players and cheaters. The sad reality is that this game is over 20 years old on a 3 generation old Unreal Engine. It's not like cheat detection for Unreal 2 is still ongoing.
The biggest cheat deterrent this game has is the fact that committing resources to cheating in such an old game doesn't really make much sense. There's no clout in it.
So Its Open Season then ....
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Hi,
Just to inform you, that Chavez is banned for at least 2 weeks from full assist for ghosting with 2nd acc
What he did was use a laptop or something at the pc next to him. I confirmed it was played from the same IP. He then either moved with his own account or the other, ghosting for one of them. Usually he used his 2nd acc as a free kill to ensure that he can then ghost for his 1st account.
To verify, I joined a few games to really see if this was happening.
His 2nd account was: https://aatracker.net/player/w0rk_f0rce%5BxD%5D
Both accounts are now banned. As you see in the match history of work force, it is also already quite suspicious how one always dies a lot and exactly those sessions he has a very high fragrate.
I consider this case closed. He didn't use any 3d party programs, but doing this in general is sad, doing it on this small playerbase is pathetic.
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The Age old Pro using sneakey measures ... what a surprise ...
Of course the other account that played with him and claimed he went to a tournament was probably aslo a stooge account .
Cant Say I didnt warn you ! two weeks is a little weak dont you think? Of course if he was using a Laptop with a ghost account ,, What else was he doing .....
Tom
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You see now, Bart, that it wasn't for nothing that we attacked Chavez for weeks and the idiot cheated.. Well done Bart for exposing the idiot so that he doesn't make us fools
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Hi,
Just to inform you, that Chavez is banned for at least 2 weeks from full assist for ghosting with 2nd acc
What he did was use a laptop or something at the pc next to him. I confirmed it was played from the same IP. He then either moved with his own account or the other, ghosting for one of them. Usually he used his 2nd acc as a free kill to ensure that he can then ghost for his 1st account.
To verify, I joined a few games to really see if this was happening.
His 2nd account was: https://aatracker.net/player/w0rk_f0rce%5BxD%5D
Both accounts are now banned. As you see in the match history of work force, it is also already quite suspicious how one always dies a lot and exactly those sessions he has a very high fragrate.
I consider this case closed. He didn't use any 3d party programs, but doing this in general is sad, doing it on this small playerbase is pathetic.
As the tracker UI only displays the 10 most recent player names for any given profile I figured I would point out that upon inspecting the full name history list (which can be viewed via Chrome dev tools, the 10 most recent is client side for UI purposes) it does appear that the player in the original video on TomGunny's team was the same account.
(https://i.imgur.com/WpkMhjf.png)
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If he asked me, I would give him a lifetime ban!!
To be an example to everyone and even like this, he won't be able to play on the servers because none of the players will want to play with an idiot, a cheat anymore. (he made fools of us all)
P.S.
There were a lot of players who stood up for the idiot, even argued with me privately, I originally banned him, but I removed it under pressure from other players
Next time try to trust a player who plays for twenty years without sound, just for fun, most every day and sees every change in other players.
Well done once again to Bart
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Hi,
Just to inform you, that Chavez is banned for at least 2 weeks from full assist for ghosting with 2nd acc
What he did was use a laptop or something at the pc next to him. I confirmed it was played from the same IP. He then either moved with his own account or the other, ghosting for one of them. Usually he used his 2nd acc as a free kill to ensure that he can then ghost for his 1st account.
To verify, I joined a few games to really see if this was happening.
His 2nd account was: https://aatracker.net/player/w0rk_f0rce%5BxD%5D
Both accounts are now banned. As you see in the match history of work force, it is also already quite suspicious how one always dies a lot and exactly those sessions he has a very high fragrate.
I consider this case closed. He didn't use any 3d party programs, but doing this in general is sad, doing it on this small playerbase is pathetic.
Are you serious Bart?? You give that pos Chavez a 2-week ban?? Then again I'm not surprised………………..
He may not of cheated using a kiddie cheat, but anyway you look at it, He used another account to pad his stats and for unfair advantage against other players, that alone he should lose that account for good...............
If he wants to continue to play let him play with his other account he was using.. Take away his padded account. only right thing to do
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First of all, thank your for Bart for putting in the work and finding out what's happening. It's great we still have someone on the team who's dedicated enough to do this!
And to be honest, in hindsight (20-20, eh), I should have been on top of looking at the two accounts as soon as this was posted. It would have been relatively clear that they were playing on the same IP right away. Even if nothing in the original post would suggest that, it should be an obvious way of gaining an advantage and should have been checked quicker.
So I do think there's room for me (or us?) to improve here.
As for the punishment. I certainly understand that some people may be upset that he'd be allowed back in a couple of weeks. After all, what he did was seriously disruptive for the other people playing this game.
But I do think we need to understand that this sort of cheating is not as severe as using a third party tool. It's certainly more severe than playing with a friend and the friend shouting out enemy locations on discord (or similar) - we wouldn't really even interfere in this - since they went out of their way to deploy 2 computers next to each other to gain an advantage. However, it's not like they weren't altering the game itself.
So if (and I know this may be a lot to ask for some of you) we agree that there are worse forms of cheating, the punishment for this one would need to also fall below those worse forms of cheating.
And we might also want to keep players who are interested in playing in the game rather than forcing them out permanently. Though - as alluded to by others - many would probably prefer not to play with him in the future regardless. And this may thus be counterproductive.
And to an extent, I would agree that banning the main account (the one that gained in K/D) could be a suitable punishment. But I've not looked into the logs enough to tell if that would have been warranted or not. Plus, we're probably somewhat still not used to tracking (and therefore K/D whoring) being a part of the game again, so the idea of removing the account because of that might not have originally come up because of that.
But perhaps most importantly, I'd say it would be a little dubious to go back and change the punishment on the same action after the fact. Though if this were to happen again, the punishment would surely be more sever than it was now.
All in all, great work, Bart! Thanks for keeping people honest!
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All well and good . I guess you can all pat yourselves on the back although when I made this video and it was posted and suggested he was cheating I was pretty met with a Brick wall from most people keen to say he was clean and his game play suggested nothing untoward he was a Pro ( Whatever that really means( Won tournaments etc etc etc LoL !
He clearly was tracking people across maps and scoring highly on a regular basis with very little deaths . A few other players supported my feelings and thankfully Bart has investigated more deeply and my feelings were proven to be correct rather than being labelled a continuous Cheat caller . Cheers
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I still believe in the assist admins who have remained until now, Tedy_medi, Bart, Possessed, Nick, Kilaman.. (I know that they are all honest,they never cheated:):))
As we got rid of this idiot who cheats,that's how we'll deal with the next one as well
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I haven't worked on the tracker in some time due to needing a break but in response to this incident a few ideas popped into my mind to ease myself back into some work before I begin tackling some overdue plans.
I feel like this sort of thing is relatively uncommon, but on the odd chance suspicion arises in the future I've added a few tools that will hopefully help spot this sort of thing (at least to the point it can be brought to a Assist administrators attention for a proper investigation).
Searching for a name will now consider previous display names. The current name will be displayed along with an asterisk which when hovered will display a tooltip with the matching alias.
(https://i.imgur.com/eebk9Zx.png)
If a players name history is longer than 10 names, you'll be able to load the entire (tracked) history in increments of 10.
(https://i.imgur.com/rJ3MaZs.png)
Finally, you're able to filter match history by matches played with another player. In this example, matches with both myself and Mr_Gunman-GB are being displayed rather than just my personal match history.
(https://i.imgur.com/R2e6ADF.png)
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I haven't worked on the tracker in some time due to needing a break but in response to this incident a few ideas popped into my mind to ease myself back into some work before I begin tackling some overdue plans.
I feel like this sort of thing is relatively uncommon, but on the odd chance suspicion arises in the future I've added a few tools that will hopefully help spot this sort of thing (at least to the point it can be brought to a Assist administrators attention for a proper investigation).
Searching for a name will now consider previous display names. The current name will be displayed along with an asterisk which when hovered will display a tooltip with the matching alias.
(https://i.imgur.com/eebk9Zx.png)
If a players name history is longer than 10 names, you'll be able to load the entire (tracked) history in increments of 10.
(https://i.imgur.com/rJ3MaZs.png)
Finally, you're able to filter match history by matches played with another player. In this example, matches with both myself and Mr_Gunman-GB are being displayed rather than just my personal match history.
(https://i.imgur.com/R2e6ADF.png)
Great Work !