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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: ELiZ on Friday, April 04, 2014, 22:01:40 PM
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I've read this:
http://www.poweredbygamespy.com/pricing/ (http://www.poweredbygamespy.com/pricing/)
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gamespy-software-pc-gaming-multiplayer-closing,26458.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gamespy-software-pc-gaming-multiplayer-closing,26458.html)
Some of the built in functions of 25Assist have functions that send Data to Gamespy servers, I don't think they are critical for Assist to work, but we might have some disturbance if there is something that I've not thought of.
There might also be some problem with BT tracking, and if there is a problem with that, there is nothing WE can do since we don't have control of Battletracker.com
Anyone know more of the issues that might occur?
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Yeh BT will be down for sure. Wasnt the plan for the original aa 2.5 to disable gamespy as the army was developing their own tracker. But it didnt come to fruition, but i remember homey said that it would have disabled thier tracking capabilities. Just hope it doesnt have any affect on how assist runs. Stats dont mean anything and i cant see homey even bothering with a work around with assist either. But as long as the game still works then thats the most important thing.
Edit :- Found the thread from a while back about when aa where to disable gamespy. http://battletracker.com/forum/general/battletracker-news/93961-tracker-community-not-wanted-by-army-and-gamedevelopers/ (http://battletracker.com/forum/general/battletracker-news/93961-tracker-community-not-wanted-by-army-and-gamedevelopers/)
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Doesn't Battletracker use Gamespy to pull all of the stats? As much as you'd think that stats aren't that big of a deal you'd be surprised at how much some people care about them.
Eliz did make his own tracker a bit ago (although I'm not exactly sure how ready it is), but our account system still runs off of battletracker so there would have to be a work around to upload those stats to battletracker (mainly to get honor to update) instead of the gamespy ones. However, like bendawich said, I doubt Homey would do anything about it as he's been MIA for a while, although he already helped before when Assist was first created. It might be worth a shot.
This could be bad news.
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BT uses GameSpy queries, but they are directly from BT to Game Server, so the queries should still work, but there is no guarantee. And since all tracked servers must be manually registered with BT, the GameSpy Master server should not be essential for tracking to work.
However there might be a small problem that I can't foresee, and because BT staff stopped working on the site, even a small problem might be a show stopper.
If there will be a small problem for 25Assist we should be able to bypass the problem within a day or two.
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Homey woke up. Here's what he wrote on Battletracker as an answer to your question, ELiZ:
Yes it will. We are still using a lot of their services, for example all our "master serverlists" are synced with gamespy ... also games like AAO still use GameSpy Query that we need to track the stats. I am not sure what will happen when they shut down their services, we have to see ...
Unsure if it will cause any bad problems that we can not solve, too early to say that. With some luck we can find solutions for everything
(here) (http://battletracker.com/forum/general/battletracker-support/p2728375-what-affect-does-the-immedient-shutdown-of-gamespy-servers-affect-this-site/#post2728375)
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Homey is back! Nice
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Homey is back! Nice
He's probably gonna be MIA again for a couple of years after this post lol
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cross fingers, maybe it will help.
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Why we don't start a whole new tracker? There are new players in this game so we can give them a change and mostly players in the ranking of BT doesn't even play anymore America's Army.
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mostly players in the ranking of BT doesn't even play anymore America's Army.
If you're inactive for a while ur name is not showing on the toplist anymore
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Since this is now pretty damn imminent, any news on this?
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Since this is now pretty damn imminent, any news on this?
The only thing we can do right now is wait and see what happens. Judging from what Homey said, it looks like the worst case is that stats and honor will not be tracked anymore.
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I'm sure many guys will quit this game if the game stops tracking the stats.
Including myself :|
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The only thing we can do right now is wait and see what happens. Judging from what Homey said, it looks like the worst case is that stats and honor will not be tracked anymore.
Which would be the best for this game. Statswhoring has always been a problem in the flow of the gameplay here. The ones who stop playing because of it, BYE BYE
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Ares if you want to see your profile / stats getting updated doesnt mean automatically those guys are playing like a fragratewhores.
Since the day i started to play AA i've been visiting the tracker almost every week,reading the forums etc.
Just feels very weird if suddenly it doesnt exists...
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I'll have to use pornsites again to actually fap on :'(
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Many and more than half of majority plays for stats and frags ares... tracker gone, most of players gone if thats what you saying....
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I'm sure many guys will quit this game if the game stops tracking the stats.
Including myself :|
So what you're saying is that you only play the game for stats? What ever happened to playing a game just to have fun?
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So what you're saying is that you only play the game for stats? What ever happened to playing a game just to have fun?
I don't find fun things in this game any more, because of couple things;
Same maps played
Ban happy admins
Same gameplay/tactics (etc knowing enemy locations)
I like the original rifle but the same gun just got me bored a bit.
I am not here to be rude or whatever but the fun was only in version 2.3 where the mods were enabled and tracked:)
Only thing i like is ts and only fun you can get is ts atm in the game:)
Just my 0.5 cent
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I don't find fun things in this game any more, because of couple things;
Same maps played
Ban happy admins
Same gameplay/tactics (etc knowing enemy locations)
I like the original rifle but the same gun just got me bored a bit.
I am not here to be rude or whatever but the fun was only in version 2.3 where the mods were enabled and tracked:)
Only thing i like is ts and only fun you can get is ts atm in the game:)
Just my 0.5 cent
That's much different than not playing because stats aren't tracked. You have issues that actually involve playing the game.
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http://tweakers.net/nieuws/95215/gamespy-trekt-op-31-mei-de-stekker-uit-de-masterservers.html (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/95215/gamespy-trekt-op-31-mei-de-stekker-uit-de-masterservers.html)
GameSpy trekt op 31 mei de stekker uit de masterservers
Door Mark Hendrikman, vrijdag 4 april 2014 11:12, reacties: 106, views: 28.305 ? Feedback
De GameSpy Masterservers worden op 31 mei uitgeschakeld. De servers, die vooral lobbies, matchmaking en leaderboards verzorgen, ondersteunen oudere games. Een deel van die games migreert naar andere diensten, en andere games zullen online niet meer werken.
GameSpy logoGameSpy meldt het nieuws op de eigen website. Een aantal bekende titels die nog gebruikmaken van GameSpys servers zijn de Arma-games, Red Dead Redemption, Borderlands, Stalker: Call of Pripyat, Halo op de pc en Saints Row 2. Nieuwere games gebruiken de GameSpy-servers niet, aangezien het moederbedrijf Glu Mobile sinds januari van 2013 geen nieuwe games aan de GameSpy-diensten heeft toegevoegd.
Onduidelijk is nog welke games overgaan op andere internetinfrastructuren en welke games straks kampen met een online component dat niet meer werkt. Onvermijdelijk lijkt dat laatste wel voor sommige games: voor oudere titels die nog maar weinig gespeeld worden, is het financieel niet aantrekkelijk om nog werk te steken in de migratie naar een andere online dienst. Met deze aankondiging zal het laatste stukje van de gamingdienst van het web verdwijnen. GameSpy bestaat sinds eind jaren '90.
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2 more days.
Luckily enough, ELiz had done some work on a tracker for assist. I however am not sure to what extent the information can be used to develop a tracker website, as this will take a lot of hosting costs as well. I do not have the necessary knowledge for that.
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2 more days... Does this mean we cannot play the game anymore either or is only the honor not tracked?
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Don t know of this helps :
http://dvgaming.com/showthread.php?3467-October-30th-2012-Ending-The-CLQ/ags/servers.php?game=amarmy&country=&slots=0&map=&namepart= (http://dvgaming.com/showthread.php?3467-October-30th-2012-Ending-The-CLQ/ags/servers.php?game=amarmy&country=&slots=0&map=&namepart=)
The full source code for The CLQ can be found here: http://dvgaming.com/showthread.php?3...de-for-The-CLQ (http://dvgaming.com/showthread.php?3...de-for-The-CLQ)
About The CLQ:
The CLQ has been tracking about 50,000,000 gamers on about 1,100,000 game servers for 14 years. The original CLQ site (stats) was made by me (Nico "BattleMode" de Vries) with help from UCC, T. "MAJOR PUNKatron[CYBA]" Boersma and Mark "Painless[pd]" H. The second CLQ site was made with a lot of useful input from the DVGaming.COM and Titan online gaming communities and from Nico's colleagues from OpenIMS / OSICT. The total traffic count is at 242,180,072 page views since 1998. For more info on the second CLQ site see a copy of the homepage and a copy of the about page.
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Last days of the game..enjoy!
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Last days of the game..enjoy!
Why always so negative? Even if tracker dies, there was no use for it except for having big mouth and to be proud of your own statistics that you've been whoring for so long. Ok true, it used to be fun to complete % as recruit, sergeant etc, but now there is no chance anymore anyway so deal with what the future will bring.
You say: end tracker = end game, but im' sure for some it would be much worse than that
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We'll see what happens.
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Last days of the game..enjoy!
now you are proud or what?
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No i just wanted to say enjoy these moments because im sure the amount of players will go down without the tracker...im not sure what im gonna do...prolly play less.
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fuck tracker, true fans never gave a shit about it anyway... be sure there is gonna be less cheaters :)
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No i just wanted to say enjoy these moments because im sure the amount of players will go down without the tracker...im not sure what im gonna do...prolly play less.
yes, that is true. but we have ELiZ and his tracking system. so let's see what happend. if we are lucky, everything will go on. if not, aa3 and aa4 would have the same impact with bt, so maybe there will be a solution about this all. cross fingers :)
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Tracker was always one of the cancers to the game, i've been saying since the first day i touched assist to quit it besides some of the best players of AA2 never cared about tracker, just find a way to keep up the points because people like to have a goal, that should be enough.
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yes, that is true. but we have ELiZ and his tracking system. so let's see what happend. if we are lucky, everything will go on. if not, aa3 and aa4 would have the same impact with bt, so maybe there will be a solution about this all. cross fingers :)
AA3 is nearly dead. Proving Grounds is alive and the launcher has a builtin stats browser (that said, the launcher is still one of the weak parts of the game, its way too buggy).
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yes koden, I can see that on my aa4pg server when it checks the honors :)
and it is still beta version.
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Tracker was always one of the cancers to the game, i've been saying since the first day i touched assist to quit it besides some of the best players of AA2 never cared about tracker, just find a way to keep up the points because people like to have a goal, that should be enough.
it depends on what focus or aim u have. a competitive player cares about his team and the success in the leagues. most of the pub players, like nowadays, in a team or not, care about egoistic things like fragrate, points, rewards, statistics. they dont care if their side (ass/def on pub) wins the round/match or not. only a few ppl are left, who find that important and put their focus on teamwork. the real fun-players are really just a few. the focus to have fun, also needs some aims, egoistic or teambased. u only have fun, if ur sometimes successfull in any way.
in public play u can feel the pulse of it. the facts that
- only a few maps are played
- a lot play often the same side and spots (defence whoring)
- nearly no objectives are done, killl them all style of play
- very little teamplay or cover eachother
show that egoistic aims are on front.
ppl need aims and goals. so the question is what aims u give them. give them aims, which stimulates or asks for teamplay. take some gameaspects out, which are reasons for egoistic gameplay. statistics are always there, thats not the reason for this. the game has to be designed the way, that u can only be successfull and have a good statistic with a strong teamwork.
in my opinion aapg goes in the right direction. there u have a implemented map-rotation, automatic side-change, always first-person-view, a strong medic-system with reviving which is a keypoint for teamwork and a big reward system, etc.
conclusion
tracker is still needed, otherwise u will lose most players soon. numbers are already fallen drastically, u can see that on tracker-page. try to change some aspects of the game, not the gameplay itself of course, to strenghten the teamplay and spirit of the game. give ppl some new aims and rewards in that sense. compare to other games nowadays like bf etc., they have hundreds of rewarding coins and stuff, why?
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nice post.
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Yes I agree Sal, and I think some admins should take a good look at your post and think about it very hard and have like a brainstorming session. People play for rewards, statistics, but this is a teamwork game, so like Sal said, maybe value more the rounds won, or the objectives done, or the times you healed someone or whatever, instead of the fragrate
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I remember the ES2 Boxes on 2.8.5, when you did need to cover your teammate while doing this object that counts a lot more then 10 kills (was 250 HP for each). this was really giving a good way in doing teamwork. there I did learn it and - for sure it was on SFExtraction :)
:matrix:
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Its still beeing tracked...
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Hooah, servers are still beeing tracked like bollie says.
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yes, looks good so far.
let us wait another day to be sure and be happy about :)
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So what you're saying is that you only play the game for stats? What ever happened to playing a game just to have fun?
lol who needs them anyways killa, been like this for long time people only play for stats, sad kills the fun of the game
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No i just wanted to say enjoy these moments because im sure the amount of players will go down without the tracker...im not sure what im gonna do...prolly play less.
sorry to see that happen, but all honestly who needs stupid frag rate whores, maybe more people will learn to play this game for fun as it was made for
i can't understand for the life of me how people still do play for stats on a 10 year old game try to explain that one to me
so if many leave because of bt down o well much more new comers will take over
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If people stop playing when tracker is down, and the game dies, so be it. It would mean the current players lost the feeling of the good old AA days, and that the community is shit. Then I guess AA should rest in peace rather than be abused by some lame nerds
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If people stop playing when tracker is down, and the game dies, so be it. It would mean the current players lost the feeling of the good old AA days, and that the community is shit. Then I guess AA should rest in peace rather than be abused by some lame nerds
well said ganja
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sorry to see that happen, but all honestly who needs stupid frag rate whores, maybe more people will learn to play this game for fun as it was made for
i can't understand for the life of me how people still do play for stats on a 10 year old game try to explain that one to me
so if many leave because of bt down o well much more new comers will take over
still it doesnt mean automatically you play to get your fr higher. hard to explain....for me again battletracker is like the 2nd homepage :D always visited there and checked the forums etc.