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Title: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 04:39:11 AM
We could do with some more assist servers on 2.5, when the new auth system is online only the Assist servers will have auth and at the moment there are only 5.

And whoever put up the Australian server, Thank you, we need more servers outside of europe, please keep it up.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Koden on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 04:49:09 AM
I'm currently running a server for some time during the day (6-8 hours)... :-[ i know it's a very little contribution. I'm also trying to sugggest other people/players to play/run servers through the Assist.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 04:55:31 AM
have you got a list of providers that are suitable for running 25 assist?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 04:57:05 AM
I could try putting up a small test server once I get my new server parts dialed in. I only have 1MBPS up at home so it probably won't be a high slot amount but I would be willing to give admin out to anybody on this forum.

As for providers, I would talk to the guys at AOWC. They were always friendly and their customer support may be able to setup an Assist server as long as it was automatic.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 04:59:10 AM
Anyone that offers a Linux or Windows, Dedicated, Semi-dedicated or VPS servers, Windows is MUCH! easier to set-up so get that if you can, Game-server providers are a no-go. Just get plain servers and install assist on it yourself.
http://www.eukhost.com/windows-vps-hosting.php is a good example.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 04:59:38 AM
Spanky, 1 Mbps upload is good for 20 Slots!
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 05:01:52 AM
I think dedicated servers are more expensive though. The guys at AOWC are very willing to edit things and work with system files. Jonny, maybe you could make an Assist server exe that you just drop in the system folder and run and it just runs itself? Then, I know for sure AOWC would be able to do that.

As for the upload speed, I also have torrents and 3 computers using the net at the same time. I'm thinking of starting at 10 slots and seeing what happens with that :)
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 05:11:07 AM
How long till your looking to go live with auth and I might consider grabbing a server!
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 05:26:49 AM
Only a few more days.


Spanky, Have you got QoS on your router, Just prioritise traffic coming from your server ports and when lots of people in the server the torrents will be slowed down to allow AA trafic first priority.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 05:34:02 AM
here is another example server provider you could use in the U.S
http://swvps.com/windows-vps.html

i don't know how good they are but their wvps-1 server would be good for 20+ slots and costs only 18 dollar a month.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 05:59:40 AM
here is another example server provider you could use in the U.S
http://swvps.com/windows-vps.html

i don't know how good they are but their wvps-1 server would be good for 20+ slots and costs only 18 dollar a month.

$22.50 for the server to be based in the UK with them which is cheaper than a few places when converted into GBP.

Are there any USA players/clans on 2.5 that could be convinced to get a server?  That would give USA players somewhere to go.

use voucher code SWVPS5OFF to get 5% of this site too.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 06:13:38 AM
Spanky, Have you got QoS on your router, Just prioritise traffic coming from your server ports and when lots of people in the server the torrents will be slowed down to allow AA trafic first priority.
Yea but it's super buggy, I don't bother using it anymore. Point is, and I don't mean to sound greedy, I don't want AA traffic to interfere with my regular net usage. I'll run as many slots as I can before it starts interfering.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
I'm going to host a server when Auth goes live, ordered one and it will be ready to go by tonight if i get time to set it up tonight.

That bad boy will probably be sat on CT most the time. 

Going to try host a smaller 10 man locally at times if needed I have the bandwith just not a massively reliable internet connection.

Also johnny if you need a server to use for SVN reasons let me know.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: JunK on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
jonny I have a question.


So as I know is that if you host a server through the 25Assist, you will have an auth server and so that means you will have a honor server right? But if I want to buy an server? I need to buy then a honor server or do I need to buy just a normal server to make the auth working ?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 09:02:41 AM
jonny I have a question.


So as I know is that if you host a server through the 25Assist, you will have an auth server and so that means you will have a honor server right? But if I want to buy an server? I need to buy then a honor server or do I need to buy just a normal server to make the auth working ?

From what I understand all servers can be 'honor' servers no need to pay pragmatic anymore so will be the same cost.  I could be wrong though ;)
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: JunK on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 09:05:52 AM
From what I understand all servers can be 'honor' servers no need to pay pragmatic anymore so will be the same cost.  I could be wrong though ;)

Sounds great!! Let's look for the polish hoster maxrate, they have cheaps servers and location is germany  8) www.maxrate.pl
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 09:08:24 AM
No you can't do this,
Read the posts, Game-server providers are a no GO, They don't have assist on them.
You've got a rent a blank server, and install assist on it. You need a VPS server with at least 512mb ram.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Koden on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 09:42:39 AM
jonny I have a question.


So as I know is that if you host a server through the 25Assist, you will have an auth server and so that means you will have a honor server right? But if I want to buy an server? I need to buy then a honor server or do I need to buy just a normal server to make the auth working ?

Aside of having to rent a VPS, you don't need to worry about anything else, as far as now.

I think that there should at least be a donation adress dedicated to the authentication server(s) cost, since there will probably be at the very least one, and the owner will have to pay the server itself plus electricity bill (or the server rent). I would also dare to say that Jonny and the others who will develop and maintain authentication might benefit of such donations.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Help! Please can someone put together a list of VPS server providers in the US and Europe, Running windows (for ease of use) with at least 512mb ram and include in the list a Link to click on to go there and the price.
I just don't have the time at the moment to do it myself.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Homey[GER] on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 10:44:26 AM
My favorite gameserver hosting company here in germany (4players.de) also offers Support for Mods and Serverside Modifications. So if you can get some nice working stuff together and make it easy to install, I just have to get in touch with them so that they make this mod available for AAO Gameservers and have to ask them to get 2.5 as available game again, with your mod.

I also have 3 gameservers hosted there which then could go online with aa2.5 and assist/auth mod

Many other Hosting Companies support MODS too. But it depends on what stuff needs to get installed and modified. If it's just some modified or additional files, then I dont see any problem and many gameserver hosting companies will support this mod.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: [K][K].Zipferurtyp on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Spanky, 1 Mbps upload is good for 20 Slots!

you are sure??? i have 4 Mb/s and i have now only 1 server running (ex =IHF= Server present [K][K] KingKillerz lets keep AA2.5 alive) because i have thought i have too less.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 12:19:40 PM
you are sure??? i have 4 Mb/s and i have now only 1 server running (ex =IHF= Server present [K][K] KingKillerz lets keep AA2.5 alive) because i have thought i have too less.

Yes, I'm Sure, You should have no trouble at all running 2 servers! Can you put up an Assist managed server too?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: [K][K].Zipferurtyp on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 12:38:25 PM
sure. with ~ 16 slots (because i have my own TS3 server too running)

because of the ports... wich ports i must make different ? 1716 and 1717 or more? (my server juse now 1716 and 1717)
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 13:08:05 PM
you can use any port, but i recommend in the server settings screen change your ports to 1726 / 1727
make sure you open those port on your firewall/router
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: [K][K].Zipferurtyp on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 13:19:41 PM
will call him zippy test AA25.org

maybe say to me how he work.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Pegesus on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 13:28:55 PM
I have a dedi box that can easily run a few 2.5assist servers aswell as have seperate installs for clients via tcadmin but would need assist to run in each install.
Saying that using Assist to setup a server on my dedi is a pain, mainly the ports, help me with that and i can put some servers online.
Hit me with a pm and we can work something out.

Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: [K][K].Zipferurtyp on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 14:19:14 PM
how should i call the server? for me it seems that hes running okay
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 15:30:18 PM
[K][K] Clan official tracked honor server (soon)   ::)
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: [K][K].Zipferurtyp on Tuesday, January 03, 2012, 17:31:04 PM
[K][K] Clan official tracked honor server (soon)   ::)

 really?? when you think you will do it?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: SASF-DarkShooter on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 05:19:11 AM
Hello, we from SASF are willing to help to keep AA2 alive. The way we can mainly contribute is by atleast setting up 1 server through assist, but it has to be done through our hoster. If someone can pm me what we would need from our hoster so we can set it up so it can be done with authorization and everything, I would highly appreciate it. And I've read earlier in some topics that you can't run a normal gameserver but you would have to rent an 'empty' server when you can install everything on, is that correct?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 06:03:01 AM
Normally you need a server with just windows on it... Then you log-in to your server using remote desktop connection and install assist.
Then you use remote desktop connection to go in and manage your server.

This can also be done on linux servers with VNC X session, tho this is not something most people can handle on their own.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 08:35:59 AM
my servers up and ready to run now
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 08:45:55 AM
Whats the server called? Who is it hosted with and what package did you get? And how do you rate them?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
http://www.tagadab.com/uk/virtual-private-servers/SVS1000

The server isnt running assist yet, its installed but im at work so dont have the time to configure.

They offer a £1 trial, ive used them previously for SQL servers and never had any issues with them.  Price is £17.99  per month including VAT.


SVS1000 Specification
Spec    1024RAM, 35GB Storage
Connectivity    Up to 100Mbps contended
Transfer    200GB data transfer pm
IPs    5 dedicated IPs from the start
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 13:50:53 PM
I still think if there were an automated command line program (like the original AA servers) then gameserver companies like AOWC would be able to host servers no problem.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 14:34:25 PM
I still think if there were an automated command line program (like the original AA servers) then gameserver companies like AOWC would be able to host servers no problem.

Johnny if you want to get one of these going PM me the details of what is required to run (files,protocols,resources etc) and I can get to work on a windows one quickly and then port it afterwards for linux & mac.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 14:45:40 PM
it is a huge amount of work, I will do it, but not now.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 14:47:58 PM
it is a huge amount of work, I will do it, but not now.

:) I'll quit bugging you with more ideas for low-priority projects.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: FullAuto.FO on Wednesday, January 04, 2012, 23:32:15 PM
I am probably in the wrong place but i just started a clan and i am trying to get a server running to promote it.  is there some way through 2.5 assist server manager that someone can give me a step by step walkthrough to do this?  BTW i have a mac.

best wishes and one big HOOAH!
-=[IsF]=-FullAuto.FO
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, January 05, 2012, 00:01:17 AM
Things you need:

Assist
AA Installed
1716 1717 ports forwarded

Then all you have to do is click the server tab in Assist and hit Start.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: FullAuto.FO on Thursday, January 05, 2012, 23:43:19 PM
problem is i can't get it to show up in server list.  I have a IBook G4 with operating system of 10.5.8 (not sure if that has anything to do with it) and my router is a NetGear WNR100v2. I did some reading and i think i need a static ip and i'm not sure if i have one or not.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 06, 2012, 00:53:00 AM
Static IP isn't necessary but it does make joining via the console easier. For what it's worth, I don't think mine shows up in the server browser either but I'm going to wait to ask about that until Jonny is done with the Auth system :)
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Friday, January 06, 2012, 02:09:32 AM
You can't run a 'proper' server on a mac, It does not support punkbuster server. What you can run is just a fun server with not PB or Auth. If your server list does not show up in the list try a different router or use a packet sniffer to investigate the packets, You should see a packet fly off to gamespy master on port 27900 udp, Track that and see what happens to it.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 06, 2012, 02:52:59 AM
You should see a packet fly off to gamespy master on port 27900 udp, Track that and see what happens to it.

Do we need to forward that for a port?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Friday, January 06, 2012, 03:45:35 AM
You need to open an outgoing port if you have a firewall for outgoing connecions, Normally all outbound traffic is passed. Outbound ports should be 27900 20046 UDP
I once had a router that simply would not forward this packet, The only solution was to get a different router.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: FullAuto.FO on Friday, January 06, 2012, 07:39:50 AM
i got lost with some of those terms. 
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Friday, January 06, 2012, 08:27:13 AM
Simple of it is you cant host a server on MAC that allows punkbuster, can one of your clanmates host the server on windows or linux? considered renting a server?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Koden on Friday, January 06, 2012, 09:04:38 AM
Would it be any possible/practical to run the server on a virtual linux machine? Considering he's running on a Powerpc processor it also  may be the only other way for a homeserver. Still, i guess it's not easy to setup and on the other hand i wonder if the G4 is powerful enough to accomplish to that kind of duty on a virtual machine.

p.s. all of that was written thinking as of not installing a Linux distro on his hdd...otherwise i would just partition/repartition it and install a PowerPc linux distro.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: -GrAz on Friday, January 06, 2012, 09:58:20 AM
Would it be any possible/practical to run the server on a virtual linux machine? Considering he's running on a Powerpc processor it also  may be the only other way for a homeserver. Still, i guess it's not easy to setup and on the other hand i wonder if the G4 is powerful enough to accomplish to that kind of duty on a virtual machine.

p.s. all of that was written thinking as of not installing a Linux distro on his hdd...otherwise i would just partition/repartition it and install a PowerPc linux distro.

Yeah I was thinking around avoiding him having to install a linux based on the fact that the discussion of ports threw him :/
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 06, 2012, 12:07:49 PM
You need to open an outgoing port if you have a firewall for outgoing connecions, Normally all outbound traffic is passed. Outbound ports should be 27900 20046 UDP
I once had a router that simply would not forward this packet, The only solution was to get a different router.

I just forwarded those as well. Server is restarted as it crashed overnight:
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropbox.com%2Fu%2F464376%2FUntitled.png&hash=63d24627ffccae398adfbcf4b8068bb4)
I have a good router running DD-WRT so I don't think it's the router. uTorrent's connections are open and Assist gives me the green on 1717 and 1716. I've allowed all 3 Assist .exe's for server running and I'm just using Windows Firewall. I recall it was this same problems the last time I tried running a server a while back. Is there any way to get UPNP negotiating the ports in Assist?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Friday, January 06, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
The PR in the corner of the port test screen says everything is working just fine, maybe your ip address range is banned or something with gamespy like that, Try running the beta version and see if you appear in my auth server list.

Don't see how you get nilobject exception running a server? Prehaps a auth map change could'nt find a file.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Pegesus on Friday, January 06, 2012, 12:46:08 PM
i had the same error after my server was running for about 18 hrs, maybe its just a crash bug
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: [K][K].Zipferurtyp on Friday, January 06, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
hmmm dont think so...my server had run more than 24 hours
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Friday, January 06, 2012, 14:15:53 PM
I though of 2 things that could have caused that crash and have added extra error handling, So how it goes with the next release.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 06, 2012, 16:40:28 PM
I'll get the beta and get it running right now.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Friday, January 06, 2012, 16:49:30 PM
Yes you show up in my master server list and i use exactly the same method as gamespy does to add servers to my list... GameSpy just hates you. I can't see anything wrong at all with your set-up,
You can see your ip address in the screenshot attached.

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faa25assist.sourceforge.net%2Fimg%2Fspankysrv.PNG&hash=a49037ccca2575ac950433134f17d3c7)
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 06, 2012, 16:59:36 PM
So... Why doesn't mine show up in the Assist list if it shows up in your master server list?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Friday, January 06, 2012, 17:13:25 PM
Assist pulls the list from gamespy, My master server is for auth data
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 06, 2012, 17:26:09 PM
:( I am disappoint. Oh well, my 8 slot couldn't have contributed much.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Friday, January 06, 2012, 17:33:52 PM
I was going to make my own master browser list, But i though why re-invent the wheel?
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Spanky on Friday, January 06, 2012, 17:42:37 PM
I was going to make my own master browser list, But i though why re-invent the wheel?

Didn't you do that for early versions of Assist? You bought that dedicated server box and ran Assist from it before you went with Sourceforge. I was halfway wondering about a little text file that wouldn't take up much bandwidth, one strictly that has servers ran by Assist. You could even generate it locally and upload it to Dropbox so you don't have to pay to host it. But, that's probably not worthwhile for my 8 slot server :)
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Saltuarius on Saturday, January 07, 2012, 07:21:28 AM
hi guys
i noticed a starting lag and rising ping, if there are more than 10 ppl on a server. is that cause of the servers/the version 2.5/assist/me? it seems 2 be the same on all servers ive played so far.

btw thx for all ur work on this!
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Saturday, January 07, 2012, 07:33:19 AM
You will get much lag in the first round when joining a server because of the extensive PB checks, To keep out hackers.
If pings rise after a number of players this means the server does not have enough bandwidth, join another server.
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: urban-ninja on Saturday, January 07, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
i can leave a server running most of the day, 2mb upload

any map rotation request? is it do-able to have normal maps and maap in one rotation setup
Title: Re: Game servers needed
Post by: Jonnym on Saturday, January 07, 2012, 11:32:10 AM
Yes you can do that, but not recommended, people could get kicked for maap files in their folder, but sometimes not.