Author Topic: DDoS and the facts about it (Read 53338 times)

Koden · « **Reply #30 on:** Saturday, June 04, 2016, 14:46:44 PM »

Quote from: [SWISS]Merlin on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 12:14:54 PM

only a short sequence of not playing on my server:
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aa250logs\Logs\Server30.log:05/02/16 21:49:26 Log: 25AssistSM: Player GUID Computed 7695df6c0524a57e511e2f720f56db46(-) (slot #8) 201.29.60.184:53314 Possessed aa250logs\Logs\Server30.log:05/02/16 22:04:39 Log: 25AssistSM: Player GUID Computed 7695df6c0524a57e511e2f720f56db46(-) (slot #4) 201.29.60.184:64031 Possessed aa250logs\Logs\Server30.log:05/02/16 22:39:43 Log: 25AssistSM: Player GUID Computed 7695df6c0524a57e511e2f720f56db46(-) (slot #5) 201.29.60.184:54918 Possessed aa250logs\Logs\Server30.log:05/21/16 03:21:17 Log: 25AssistSM: Player GUID Computed 7695df6c0524a57e511e2f720f56db46(-) (slot #2) 187.78.164.96:55316 Possessed
just another hint for you:
read all more carefully. i did never say that i will send the special forces to you down to Brazil. why should i? only because you did attack 4 times now my servers with DDoS ? .

you did it again yesterday midnight. thanks a lot for that, because i had to set a trap for you. and remember, this is only a game. players can go to every other server as they like. i will for sure not start to cry when players will be kicked out. but maybe it will disturb the community and the picture of you as well. could be.

i will use your attack now for a test at my work as well as for the work together with the Government's special forces. but for sure i will hold my rights up for taking action against you by law.

Honestly, if I were from Brazil I wouldn't play on a European server either...anyhow, whether or not you're planning actions by law, that surely falls beyond the purpose of this forum.

Possessed · « **Reply #31 on:** Saturday, June 04, 2016, 15:07:25 PM »

"I have no reason KEEP PLAYING on any of your servers"
You can't understand a simple sentence lol.

201.29.60.184 < see edit notes;.
187.78.164.96
None of those IPs are in our database and logs, so If I have played with them, how does it wasn't logged anywhere other than in your sever? I ask any other admin to check this, plz.

If you wan't to do something using the Law, you will have to first provide enough and true data, as you are accussing, it up to You to prove what your are saying, facing the consequencies of begin wrong and losing the law time, don't know how it works in swiss, but here you would end up fined for doing so. also, I don't think you can do shit downhere, I did nothing, I sleep well every night, no headcaches. See you later, trap master rofl.

(the times are in GMT "0", UK time)
edit: the other search ended up with:
Searching again for 187.78.164.96.

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[0] => 791151.txt:2016-05-02 19:47:44 | Possessed | 201.29.60.184 | HWID | MAC PLAYER-LOGIN -- 2016-05-02 19:48:26 | JOIN-92.107.22.140:7773 -- 19:48 JOIN-92.107.22.140:7773 -- 2016-05-02 20:51:56 | LOGOUT
[1] => 791151.txt:|cs-Shutdown|2016-05-02 21:48:44 | Possessed | 201.29.60.184 | HWID | MAC PLAYER-LOGIN -- 2016-05-02 21:50:18 | LOGOUT

edit 2: still no return for 187.78.164.96 in the search, but directly looking in the server logs:

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2016-05-21 01:20:26 | Possessed | 187.78.164.96 | HWID | MAC PLAYER-LOGIN -- 2016-05-21 01:20:44 | JOIN-92.107.22.140:33022 -- 01:20 JOIN-92.107.22.140:33022 -- |cs-Join another server|2016-05-21 01:21:25 | JOIN-52.67.26.236:1717 -- 01:21 JOIN-52.67.26.236:1717 -- |cs-Diconnected from server in game|2016-05-21 03:24:03 | LOGOUT
03:24 LOGOUT
2016-05-21 08:11:17 | Possessed | 187.78.164.96 | HWID | MAC PLAYER-LOGIN -- 2016-05-21 08:14:05 | JOIN-187.78.164.96:1717 -- 08:14 JOIN-187.78.164.96:1717 -- |cs-Armyops shutdown from Log file|2016-05-21 10:20:43 | LOGOUT

I have nothing to hide

, any admin can confirm that both doesn't show up in the DB, but do in the text logs, that arent regulary used to do a search as it is slow and painful while searching for multiple Data, need to open every log file and check by hand is tedious.

But it proves something, that I didn't got booted from any of your servers (last time I joined one of them was at 23/05/2016), thus I could not know I was banned in them. thx.

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2016-05-23 07:47:50 | Possessed | 201.29.90.97 | HWID | MAC PLAYER-LOGIN -- 2016-05-23 07:48:42 | JOIN-92.107.22.140:34514 -- 07:48 JOIN-92.107.22.140:34514

[SWISS]Merlin · « **Reply #32 on:** Saturday, June 04, 2016, 16:45:42 PM »

i did not say i will plan actions against him by law. i did say i will hold my rights to do so if it goes on. that's all.
its only a game, nothing more. so no need to play with some ones life. really not. but enough is enough, this was my message above.

and i did NEVER EVER manipulate any log files nor the post in here. possessed, it was on a server you did play, it was wantc's. also one of mine.

so now maybe time to stop that shit at all. shake hands, it was funny a bit, but now we should go back to normal.
ok?
and release that moderator shit on forum on my account. thanks.

Bart! · « **Reply #33 on:** Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM »

Quote from: -Vegeta- on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 13:20:34 PM

Thats not how it worked on AA ever. SO now you believe you have the right to do this why?

They are on there own server thats what they pay for and its none of assists business. If people want to drop by for abuse thats up to there dumb ass, not yours. You dont need to protect them from abuse of that sort. All the players do is leave and its done. Simply nothing to do with AA or assist

Correct, correct,correct.

Wrong wrong wrong Nonthing to do with assist.

In the Forum and shout box yes it is. In the private servers no its not. Players can stay and be abused if there dumb enough. BUt it really doesnt happen.

His server his rules take it or leave it. How simples that? Not up to you to over ride a guy who pays the bills. Like I said AA never done it. you dont have the right. Even if you are doing it for a right reason. Its not you paying the server bill.

Yes he does rightly or wrongly he pays the bills. Thats is why you dont have the right togo over him.
And thats is freedom of choise. the players have the same freedom to leave the server empty.

Ok, so we agree partially on some points.

However, how does it makes a difference whether I play on their servers, or them hosting their servers on our assist server?
What gives them the right to abuse the powers on their servers, while we would not have the rights to intervene?

As said before, this does not happen, but I am playing devils advocate here, just to open up the discussion and think about it.
Why would they have the right to abuse their powers all they want, on our assist servers, on their private servers?

Isn't it us who pays the bills for the assist server as well? Ultimately, they are putting their servers on our servers. So taking your points exactly like you said, it ultimately is like you said: " And thats is freedom of choise. the players have the same freedom to leave the server empty."

We should not abuse any powers, but imo, neither the PSA should do so.

[SWISS]Merlin · « **Reply #34 on:** Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:37:04 PM »

i start to like you Bart, but i guess you know that already

its like a company is building a car, then you change the weels. now you have control of the car?
you have to explain that a bit more

-Vegeta- · « **Reply #35 on:** Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:42:27 PM »

Quote from: Bart! on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM

Ok, so we agree partially on some points.

However, how does it makes a difference whether I play on their servers, or them hosting their servers on our assist server?

Not to sure what you mean here. Play there if you like no problem. "our assist" Who pays admin or everyone donations? which would include server admins. They pay for both there end and you end.

Quote from: Bart! on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM

What gives them the right to abuse the powers on their servers, while we would not have the rights to intervene?

If you want the right to intervene then you would have to be up front and say we will come in and out of your servers from time to time to monitor admins. Then you have the right because you made it a term and condiction of being a private admin. BTW that word Pirvate really means private, means no ones allowed with out authority

Quote from: Bart! on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM

As said before, this does not happen, but I am playing devils advocate here, just to open up the discussion and think about it.
Why would they have the right to abuse their powers all they want, on our assist servers, on their private servers?

Because the pay for the privilage of running a server how THEY like, not how staff think they should. Like I said AA never done that when they paid and only they paid.

Quote from: Bart! on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM

Isn't it us who pays the bills for the assist server as well?

No you know thats not true voulentery payments from many others including private server owners.

Quote from: Bart! on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM

Ultimately, they are putting their servers on our servers.

No like I said they pay for both. you or some of the staff might pay something towards it? Unless I am wrong?

Quote from: Bart! on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM

So taking your points exactly like you said, it ultimately is like you said: " And thats is freedom of choise. the players have the same freedom to leave the server empty."

But you are taking away from them just because you can.

Quote from: Bart! on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:09:16 PM

We should not abuse any powers, but imo, neither the PSA should do so.

I think we are all agreed that they nor satff should abuse powers. But you move in the same theme as them but sneaking into private server unannounced. That is wrong on any level. Same as FBI taping your calls just incase.

Bart! · « **Reply #36 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 03:36:10 AM »

Just to be clear Vegeta; I was merely playing Devils Advocate, I've never heard about any staff abusing powers since I became admin here.

I don't think it's bad to include a ToS about behaviour for PSA though. I really see admin abuse as a problem, since there are just a few servers populated, banning someone just for the sake of it affects their ability to play the whole game, and this is in my opinion not good for the future of the game.

It does not happen a lot nowadays, but it can always happen.

-Vegeta- · « **Reply #37 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 04:16:43 AM »

I thought this started with assist admin going into servers undetected like merlin said. Thats the part thats not good from assist if its true?? I aint for admins who abuse. But I am for this is our rules and that applys to everyone. So if assist say from the start or even has to bring it in. Just as lobg as its up front terms. Same as server admin. They pay they make the rules as it says in so many servers. I banned only life bans on my server. One chance deal. At the begining I tried to tell people oh please read the rules. no early 203s/ Then arguing with clowns took its toll and it was then break a rules, your life banned. And it worked for me. I had a hardcore base of guys who new the rules never broke the rules and they enjoyed my server with its no nonsense approach. So everyone who liked my server stayed, because they knew there would be no crap just pure gaming.

Every thing just has to be upfront. Then theres no excuses.

Bart! · « **Reply #38 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 04:21:48 AM »

Quote from: -Vegeta- on Sunday, June 05, 2016, 04:16:43 AM

I thought this started with assist admin going into servers undetected like merlin said. Thats the part thats not good from assist if its true?? I aint for admins who abuse. But I am for this is our rules and that applys to everyone. So if assist say from the start or even has to bring it in. Just as lobg as its up front terms. Same as server admin. They pay they make the rules as it says in so many servers. I banned only life bans on my server. One chance deal. At the begining I tried to tell people oh please read the rules. no early 203s/ Then arguing with clowns took its toll and it was then break a rules, your life banned. And it worked for me. I had a hardcore base of guys who new the rules never broke the rules and they enjoyed my server with its no nonsense approach. So everyone who liked my server stayed, because they knew there would be no crap just pure gaming.

Every thing just has to be upfront. Then theres no excuses.

But that's not power abuse, so that's perfectly ok, as long as rules are communicated upfront.

And we can not join servers as admins undetected. If we have admin rights, we have the special assist dev with it, and the pb power points like Merlin mentioned are not admin rights, they are kicking rights. But it's obvious that we have kicking rights as we can also ban people from whole of assist. How else can we stop catched cheaters from playing?
When we ban them from assist, they are not instantly kicked from a server, this is the way we can do that, but apart from the kicking rights, we do NOT have any other rights, since we do not need it for anything.

This falls perfectly within our responsibilities for anticheat without giving too many rights.

[SWISS]Merlin · « **Reply #39 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 08:09:52 AM »

Quote from: [SWISS]Merlin on Saturday, June 04, 2016, 18:37:04 PM

i start to like you Bart, but i guess you know that already

its like a company is building a car, then you change the weels. now you have control of the car?
you have to explain that a bit more

JonnyM and ELiZ did the job what is called today Assist. they did all needed to get this game running WITH honors (auth server) and cheat detection. therefore i give a very loud applause!
but as i did write above, the car is aa25 game, the wheels are aa25assist. that's a fact as well.

about the argument of needing admin rights on the car (the game itself) because of kicking hackers immediately is just a joke, but not even a good one. you know the well known servers are always populated with server owners with admin rights. so really no need to kick any player sitting inside the car (the game). first you have to proof - and you do very very long as i can see with this phyro (which i think is very good to have a correct proof before you ban) - then you have to ban. so it really doesn't matter if a player, who did maybe play this game for years with hacks, just plays another 5-6 hours.

it is just not correct doing so, jumping into the car (the game) as a driver. the owner did buy the car, you only changed the weels (assist). but i also dont care about this. most of you did not abuse it, that i can say here loud and clear. but the power point part is bullshit and you should stop that. because it is hidden.

and the part of restricting me here at the forum is also not correct. before a post of mine is released, an admin or mod has to "control" it. this is a poor part as well as banning pit after years for his behavior agaist a woman who maybe isn't that she do say to all. this i care about. because it looks to me (and others) that you will not hear some facts. YOU do decide what people can read and what not (sounds a bit like a dictatorship you are doing). and vegeta did already say it: we all pay for the server of the auth system (only one is needed). so maybe think again about that all.
doing steps like this will not take out the bullet in the breast of this game.

Possessed · « **Reply #40 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 08:28:56 AM »

Can you point where I have *drive* your server?
You have nothing to blame me for the posible attacks other than your thougts. Listen, you are not going to get nothing from this patetic thread, i noticed by the sb comments that we have been attacked again, i didnt seen you offering help with your high tier specialists, without the auth your servers are just a bunch of white elephants. Take care of your stuff, let us take care of ours, if you dont like, the door is open for you, makes no difference to me to have you or not around. Its our forums, it open to the public but its not public property, we know how we can manage and if we feel someone must be moderated, we will do what ever we can do to control our forum as we wish, just as you do with your stuff.

Anyway, it obvious I speak for myself only.

ronski · « **Reply #41 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 10:26:52 AM »

Two different cases. I buy the explanation for the need of pb power, which even havent been abused. Maybe it should have been told on before hand, but then again many players thought Assist Admin badge would give rights as well. For example Merlin had Assist Admin accounts on banlist with a description that they would have joined his servers with admin privileges, but they have no access to adminpanel nor handle server from console, only this recently added pb power thing - which sounds good to me.

The other case seems to be clear as well...

[SWISS]Merlin · « **Reply #42 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 10:35:54 AM »

last point from me:
i guess it is not only clear for you, for many others it is also. i would like to see possessed to be a man and tell in here that he did attacked my servers. as i already did tell, i will not take any actions against him. but it has to be stopped now. this would be the right step. and a sorry also wouldn't the the badest thing.
closed.

Possessed · « **Reply #43 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 10:50:02 AM »

His point about the posible attacks are really bad set up, I already showed that I could not know my guid was banned in his Servers since I did not got booted from any (where are the logs of my account getting kick for begin banned?), last played in his Urban Assault server at 23/05/2016, he posted router logs from 02/06/2016, he said the attacks started 5 days after him banning my guid in his servers (explained above, so this one is already invalid), well, 10 days later since last time I played in his servers, something doesnt match, right?

Its up to you to prove what you are saying and currently what your are saying makes no sense.
You are just trying to kill this project with all this bull shit, I see why you have been on wrong ppl side.

ronski · « **Reply #44 on:** Sunday, June 05, 2016, 11:06:57 AM »

Quote from: [SWISS]Merlin on Sunday, June 05, 2016, 10:35:54 AM

i guess it is not only clear for you, for many others it is also.

Yea it's clear that this is a set up, wasn't expecting this from you after all you have done for the project

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