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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: ELiZ on Thursday, May 02, 2013, 16:43:52 PM
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Hi all.
We wish to take this opportunity to start the discussion on perhaps moving the players of 25Assist to the newer version of 2.8.5
For a while I've been able to decrypt 2.8.5 packages, but unable to compile new uscripts that would be needed to move to 2.8.5.
That last hinder to that is now gone, and I’m able to create the components that is needed to bring Auth, and as an extension to that 25Assist to 2.8.5
I see a model that would dictate this timeline:
Phase 1, 285Assist Developing
Phase 2, 285Assist Beta Testing
Phase 3, 285Assist going online and at the same time 25Assist Auth would be shut down.
The dual action of Phase 3, is that the player base is too small to be split into 2 versions, and therefore, IF we make the move, it will be completely
The model above is mine alone, and should only be viewed as a suggestion at this time. But before a moving on, we wish to hear what you, the player’s think of this
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Not sure what to think about this. I think you'd have to consider the custom maps deal and what to do if someone were to run a map that's not "in" Assist. Of course, the mac & linux support would be gone too. Less mods/no would be nice but the modern hacks would still work. Tough call IMO.
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I'm just going to ask a question many have asked before when there's talk of this:
What about Linux and/or Mac users? Could they still play?
I know there's not a whole lot of them, but I understand that's the reason 2.5 still existed next to 2.8.5 back when AA2 was popular, so it would be logical to include them if possible.
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2.5 is the LAST version supported for linux & mac players. Unless someone wants to port it over...
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Wood be nice , is it that we also can import coop maps.
http://aao25.com/profile/?u=216;area=showposts;start=195
I will share them all if you want.
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Spanky say >>Less mods/no would be nice but the modern hacks would still work.
I know in old PUF time we could do a tank race in border 3 were driving the adder were decoreatiev, and be a giant, croll like spiders, Fly and ? we had a lot fun in that time. but I know for me to not for structurally game play just a moment of fun .!
Not sure what to think about this. I think you'd have to consider the custom maps deal and what to do if someone were to run a map that's not "in" Assist. Of course, the mac & linux support would be gone too.Less mods/no would be nice but the modern hacks would still work. Tough call IMO.
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Yea, there's still mods in 2.8 but I think it requires more work to install them... I don't know, maybe I'm totally wrong here.
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I know there's not a whole lot of them, but I understand that's the reason 2.5 still existed next to 2.8.5 back when AA2 was popular, so it would be logical to include them if possible.
That's not the reason 2.5 was still populated along side 2.8. I was one of those 2.5 players and everyone I knew had a Windows PC. People just preferred the smaller community and the gameplay in 2.5.
As for the 2.8.5 move, isn't 2.5 incompatible with the latest OSX anyways? Also, I remember Jonny a while back threw up some statistics of which OS used Assist the most and there were VERY few Linux and OSX users. I doubt there would be any complaints if it were to move to 2.8.5. If anything, I believe it might cause a player base increase as 2.8.5 was the most popular version of the game and people might be willing to come back to play it.
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would love to see it 2.85, keep up the hard work eliz
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even with linux server for 2.8, we should not use it if we want extra security :) like AntiBot, a native mod.
unless we build better tools in uscript >D
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AA 2.8.5 was the best free game i ever played, and in my opinion just the coop maps make it more than worth it.
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You all forget, 2.6 & 2.5 were the most popular versions. Its when 2.7 came out that the number of players started its rapid decline.
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hey ELiZ
thank you very much for doing a great job. nice!
please do not forget:
- there a so many other games out there, almost the same like aa2
- so therefore aa2xx should be someting special - even more then it is already
- with that mindset it should be playable also on other operating systems, not only windows (i am a windows freak, but..)
- and it should be, as much as possible, free of cheater
- also do not forget to keep the possibility to create home servers like it is now. a real great goal of this version now.
this all would be perfect. so if i may say, please try first at all to stop the cheaters. because cheaters are killing every game. if you could do so, this game would "explode" by players.
thank you!
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You all forget, 2.6 & 2.5 were the most popular versions. Its when 2.7 came out that the number of players started its rapid decline.
That's right, but the best version was definitly 2.3 and from that version to 2.8.5. they made a bunch of crap patch after patch.
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I honestly prefer 285 over 2.5, I actually still have it on my external HDD, and it feels more fluent in the gameplay for me.
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meaby I have to ask to, a expert from the past. > maar de begeleiding word dacht ik goed uitgelegt van de mod downlode GOOGLE trancelate )>but the guidance I am well-thought puts the mod down lode.
So there is hope!. but the best part will be if coops comming into 2.8.5. A mass introduction of great maps.
Youtube SFHighlands_rc4 link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TypMwnCyFk
Youtube Satans_rivine_II link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tixGGVvYuw&feature=related
Youtube Crimson_sunset_Coop link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lycLGP6ZrQ&feature=related
Youtube SFRedemption link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOHDZIOYenY
Youtube link Kaleesha.aao
http://www.wegame.com/watch/Americas_Army_custom_map_Kaleesha_prt_2/
SF Pipeline Coop-Mission.aao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeURZPervBY
Urban Assault Coop-mission.aao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=strj292IBsQ&feature=related
SF Hospital NE Coop.aao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLPR1qwHDsU&feature=related
SFPickle023.aao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcgcLfZKy38&feature=related
SF_Command Raid.aao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ar4oCkDfMk&feature=related
Surrounded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tixGGVvYuw&feature=related
SF Snakeplain 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXk_cz2STvE&feature=related
SFAirport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQFUnbLNc78
Yea, there's still mods in 2.8 but I think it requires more work to install them... I don't know, maybe I'm totally wrong here.
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Yeh,sounds really.If but when you i say yes.And then peeple but not then.Sometimes i wondering will?
Still,hope now if not are they. GJ Guys!!
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I wouldn't mind if u ported Assist over to 285 but they'll be releasing AA Proving Grounds this year so maybe it's best to wait until after that release and c what happens with the playerbase. Better to only put SAI in 2.5 instead.
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AA 2.8.5 was the best free game i ever played, and in my opinion just the coop maps make it more than worth it.
<3
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Better to only put SAI in 2.5 instead.
Yea, lets put it in! Here you guys go:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/aac_maap/screenshots/ArmyOps%202013-03-12%2012-12-43-10.psd
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I honestly prefer 285 over 2.5, I actually still have it on my external HDD, and it feels more fluent in the gameplay for me.
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How did/does 2.8.5 handle maps?
Does the client download the new map or how was it handled?
If it downloaded, was it from the server or was from some type of deposit?
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I will search for at some manuals, maybe i'll get an answer about.
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How did/does 2.8.5 handle maps?
Does the client download the new map or how was it handled?
If it downloaded, was it from the server or was from some type of deposit?
Back on the 2.8.5 client there was a DCDS (dubbed for Dynamic Content Delivery System), basically a deposit of official maps + fully mission capable ones i think (you were able to download the mission through the game client). "Fully Mission Capable" was the way approved custom made mission were labelled, cause once there used to be a Mission Depot for custom made maps(probably someone will remember about) , which you could release and potentially getting them reviewed by the mission depot staff. It went offline a little before the authorization and tracking servers (late 2011), there was a ton of custom material.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110707072345/http://www.aamissiondepot.com/main
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I'm sure ELiZ is mostly doing this for a challenge and to kill some time. The issue is though, as it always has been, it seems like great things happen way too late. Could you guys imagine what AA would be like if we had all of this knowledge of decompiling, custom maps, authorization handling, tracking and everything that's been done about 5-6 years ago? Imagine all of this knowledge around when 2.5 and 2.6 were at it's peak. It would be a different game and it would probably have 10x the people on it had all of this been done right and at the proper time. But, as with other efforts to rejuvenate the game, this is too little and too late.
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You hit a lot points here. but if you don t try you will never know, and if working together in good harmonie it is fun and they have a lot experians to take whit them in live. ( like you spanky you must have a lot off above carrying whit you) . :D
Now I've written that I think it would be great if all the old employees to assist an honor given place on the opening site. (honorary member)
I'm sure ELiZ is mostly doing this for a challenge and to kill some time. The issue is though, as it always has been, it seems like great things happen way too late. Could you guys imagine what AA would be like if we had all of this knowledge of decompiling, custom maps, authorization handling, tracking and everything that's been done about 5-6 years ago? Imagine all of this knowledge around when 2.5 and 2.6 were at it's peak. It would be a different game and it would probably have 10x the people on it had all of this been done right and at the proper time. But, as with other efforts to rejuvenate the game, this is too little and too late.
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Assist was born so i could play AA on my apple mac, while i dont have one anymore i always wanted to keep the multiplatform element going. No one really gave a shit until auth went down and then everyone was like.. hey look those mac and linux guys have still got working auth. Just a history lesson.
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Might I suggest keeping 25Assist going for mac and linux only. But force windows clients to upgrade to 28Assist.
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I new just a view day s ago that you were make this game stil running auth.in the past And sorry that you have to hear it from a MOD and hopefully not to late. THX from >and i can say my clan i think you me be proud to your self. :up:(thats way it will be oke if on the site were the name s for (honorary member whit a little story)
> There are more like you that make this game still workin the AAOTTS had to a site untill not long ago were you can play 2.8.5
> And here on this sit http://www.bugsgang.com/aao-2-5-8-install-files/ its still possible to play it, i do think not auth but yes all coops. .
The reason that assist is more populair is that i think battletracker make the publication. And the old players called the adder old players about this good playeble auth. system called Assist.Yes for windows.
And yes I hope to that there will be a working version for liniux and Mac but it will be a small communitie.
Assist was born so i could play AA on my apple mac, while i dont have one anymore i always wanted to keep the multiplatform element going. No one really gave a shit until auth went down and then everyone was like.. hey look those mac and linux guys have still got working auth. Just a history lesson.
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Might I suggest keeping 25Assist going for mac and linux only. But force windows clients to upgrade to 28Assist.
would be a good solution , i dont see great advantages of moving to 2.8 , despite coop maps , dont forget all the 2.8 hacks out there ,a lot of cheaters would be happy with this , so make sure to implement a good anticheat system
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A good anticheat would be for the best.
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A good anticheat would be for the best.
:up:
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Nice job eliz, personally i would like it to go to 2.8.5, as for the issue with the mods. As far as i can recall towards the end of aa 2.8.5 wasn't there a fair few servers with mods on? Or is my memory drawing blanks on me? ATM do you know what are the %'s of ppl using assist that are not using windows? Catch 22 really, although the thought of 2.8.5 would have the potential to attract more players to come back, it would seem unfair to the peeps that are using assist on other platforms and also to the original creators of assist whose idea was to keep a version of the game alive on multi platforms. This coupled with the fact that aa4 is being developed, if aa4 was to be a hit, then all this hard work may ultimately be for nothing. Good thing though if eliz wants to put in the work along with assist staff and community, if down the line it doesn't seem like the viable way to go, you always have the current assist to fall back on. But iam assuming that for all the work that is likely to be involved, it would be hard for any developer to fall back on something they have but alot of effort into.
Just my 2 cents (or pence being British)
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Might I suggest keeping 25Assist going for mac and linux only. But force windows clients to upgrade to 28Assist.
While a good idea, that would pretty much kill Mac & Linux. There's hardly enough players to have fun as it is. When you make those 10 players that aren't on Windows play by themselves, they'll just give up.
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If we proceed, of these 2 options, what do prefer?
1 Downloading the full 2.6 GB that is the 2.8.5 Client?
2 Download 1.5 GB, but spend 2 minutes afterwards unpacking the files in a special way that enabled the 1.5 GB?
I think option 2 would be faster on most systems.
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does the MD5 stay the same with the faster method?
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After download and unpack/Fix, yes.
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After download and unpack/Fix, yes.
really, interesting :D
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If we proceed, of these 2 options, what do prefer?
1 Downloading the full 2.6 GB that is the 2.8.5 Client?
2 Download 1.5 GB, but spend 2 minutes afterwards unpacking the files in a special way that enabled the 1.5 GB?
I think option 2 would be faster on most systems.
Pack it as hard as you can with 7z just like it is now but make sure to use the multi-core command line switch.
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Pack it as hard as you can with 7z just like it is now but make sure to use the multi-core command line switch.
The Special way I mention, is just not hard 7z packing, but rather removing some of the package encryption that prevents proper packing, and then after download add it back on.
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This is what I mean:
http://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/aa25assist/Data/AA285/tst.zip
Unzip, and run UnPack.cmd
This is the full 2.6 GB EUdaily download, only thing removed is AASM(15 MB).
Nothing of the Assist Server/Client is included, It's just a vanilla install of AA285.
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This is what I mean:
http://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/aa25assist/Data/AA285/tst.zip
Unzip, and run UnPack.cmd
This is the full 2.6 GB EUdaily download, only thing removed is AASM.
Nothing of the Assist Server/Client is included, It's just a vanilla install of AA285.
ELiZ getting Pro into warez techs :D
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I did this test:
With the special Fix, downloading from sourceforge with maxing my download:
Downloading 00:13:55
7z unpacking 00:02:15
aaFix 00:02:25
Total 00:18:35
A similar download, but with the full Download 2.6 GB
Downloading 00:24:07
7z unpacking 00:02:15
Total 00:26:22
So in my case I'd save almost 8 minutes with the special way I described.
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Something to think about though, would that decryption be able to give hackers an edge? Being able to stop your tool mid-way before it re-encrypts and then looking at source code or something? Just a thought.
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The full packet encryption mentioned here is just the first 2 layers that is used by the AA devs.
I described this layer's encryption more than a year ago here:
http://aao25.com/general-chat/guide-for-converting-game-assets-from-america's-army-2-8-5-to-america's-army-2-5/msg14485/#msg14485
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Have you been able to contact homey at battletracker? the tracker currently only tracks 2.5 so would need to get that changed before going ahead.
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Have you been able to contact homey at battletracker? the tracker currently only tracks 2.5 so would need to get that changed before going ahead.
Really? Isn't it just so that since there is no "Honor" servers on 2.8.5, no servers are tracked?
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in the beginning, after auth was down, i had a server up and running on 2.8.5 - but no honor couning then...
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in the beginning, after auth was down, i had a server up and running on 2.8.5 - but no honor couning then...
You know if the sever was tracked then?
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no, don't remember, sorry.
(but i guess it wasn't)
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I'm sure homey turned it off when auth was shut down, He had to do A LOT of work to get his tracker working with our new auth system, we were working on it for a couple of weeks. you will have to put up a test server to try it.
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I did put up a 285 Assist Server running a few days ago, found that tracked had banned my IP from their Server-Adding page.
Might have been that I ran a 2.8.5, I didn't think it at the time but that might have been it.
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2.8.5 yeah but hopefully without S.A.I.
Dont think iam ungrateful but I hate this fcking thing :D
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What helly just said.
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I did put up a 285 Assist Server running a few days ago, found that tracked had banned my IP from their Server-Adding page.
Might have been that I ran a 2.8.5, I didn't think it at the time but that might have been it.
you cannot add your Own server, someone need to add it for you.
if I remember BT only tracked Leased Official servers with PB enabled, you can use the query mod to spoof the game version.
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Or... leave BattleTracker in it's grave and make your own tracking system. Or... ignore tracking and make the stat whores ragequit. Both are vastly better options than trying to make an outdated 3rd party website compatible with what you're trying to do.
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2.8.5 yeah but hopefully without S.A.I.
Dont think iam ungrateful but I hate this fcking thing :D
Just don't use it, easy.
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you cannot add your Own server, someone need to add it for you.
if I remember BT only tracked Leased Official servers with PB enabled, you can use the query mod to spoof the game version.
I've added my own IP many times before when testing 2.5
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I've been able to modify AA to enable it to download tours.ini from our server instead of the dead dms1.americasarmy.com
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you can add your own server/ip, why not? i did that many times. and also home made servers are tracked, no problem at all with that.
but stopping with tracking means stopping aa2. that's for sure.
so please be carful with the new version and what you are doing. and btw, i do not think that aa4 will come out that summer, maybe 6 month later i guess. so just easy doing ELiZ :) , please
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but stopping with tracking means stopping aa2. that's for sure.
Wow, so people don't play the game for the game?
If there's something I never cared about it's this tracker thingy, the only benefit it had was the ability to see friends online. I see so many people with godlike fragrates getting totally annihilated in matches. It doesn't matter.
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yes, i am sure.
watch back to the time when auth went down.
you had three possibilities to do
1. stop playing (most did so)
2. still playing the game on version 2.8.5 (some players switched to 2.5, most left)
3. playing new aa25assist on 2.5 (now you have on a crowded evening about 200 players, without a growing up)
so, imagine what will happend when you stop tracking? any idea :)
and with the new 2.8.5 - without linux and mac players, guess 30-50 players less of that 200.
i mean i miss something that would blow up the players to 1000 per night, but i have no idea too :(
but for sure not stoping the tracker..
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Someone should assault the Pentagon naked with a Banana in his Hand and Obamas Face painted on his Butt and shout "I PLAYED AMERICAS ARMY 2.5 FOR TOO LONG.NOW I GOT INSANE IN THE BRAIN AND ALL GIRLS WANT ME AND I GONNAGET VERY RICH AND BEAUTIFUL AND FAMOUS" and a CNN Team should film that.
That would help for sure :-)
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I've given it some thought, and come to the conclusion that, to make 285Assist work with Battletracker.com we have to do this......
Nothing..
Since It is the Assist server that handles the Gamespy queries, not AA itself. We can let the Assist Server happily report that it's a 2.5.0 Server to Gamespy, rather than the 2.8.5 it really is.
In my testing, almost the first thing I did, was to modify the GS query to state it was a 2.8.5 server, I will from this moment just report it as a 2.5.0 server.
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Nice one ;)
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What would happend to some of us like me that still have the 2.8.5 install in my pc? will you sert a "find" button on the assist?
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I've given it some thought, and come to the conclusion that, to make 285Assist work with Battletracker.com we have to do this......
Nothing..
Since It is the Assist server that handles the Gamespy queries, not AA itself. We can let the Assist Server happily report that it's a 2.5.0 Server to Gamespy, rather than the 2.8.5 it really is.
In my testing, almost the first thing I did, was to modify the GS query to state it was a 2.8.5 server, I will from this moment just report it as a 2.5.0 server.
That's disappointing that you decided to go that route. Tracking brings idiots to the game and even if tracking were good, BT is a horrible way to do it.
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That's disappointing that you decided to go that route. Tracking brings idiots to the game and even if tracking were good, BT is a horrible way to do it.
The game doesn't have enough players to be able to afford losing the stat whores.
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Someone should assault the Pentagon naked with a Banana in his Hand and Obamas Face painted on his Butt
Application sent
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In a few hours I'll be offline for 3 weeks.
The topics so far..
Punkbuster
Battletracker
Linux/Mac
Hosting Home Server
DCDS
Keeping 25Assist for Mac/Linux Clients
Download Size of the Client
I'm sure there is more to be said on each of the topics, and please do.
Also feel free to voice your requests/concerns/questions here while I'm gone.
As I said, I'll be gone for 3 weeks, perhaps we'll have some kind of Community wide vote on if we proceed or not.
I promise you.. I will not think once about AA while sitting on the beach :)
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Have a good 1 bRo :up:
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In a few hours I'll be offline for 3 weeks.
The topics so far..
Punkbuster
Battletracker
Linux/Mac
Hosting Home Server
DCDS
Keeping 25Assist for Mac/Linux Clients
Download Size of the Client
I'm sure there is more to be said on each of the topics, and please do.
Also feel free to voice your requests/concerns/questions here while I'm gone.
As I said, I'll be gone for 3 weeks, perhaps we'll have some kind of Community wide vote on if we proceed or not.
I promise you.. I will not think once about AA while sitting on the beach :)
enjoy your stay :D
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In a few hours I'll be offline for 3 weeks.
The topics so far..
Punkbuster
Battletracker
Linux/Mac
Hosting Home Server
DCDS
Keeping 25Assist for Mac/Linux Clients
Download Size of the Client
I'm sure there is more to be said on each of the topics, and please do.
Also feel free to voice your requests/concerns/questions here while I'm gone.
As I said, I'll be gone for 3 weeks, perhaps we'll have some kind of Community wide vote on if we proceed or not.
I promise you.. I will not think once about AA while sitting on the beach :)
Good luck on whatever holiday you decided to take, I bet it's gonna be wonderful! :)
You deserve it after all this hard work! ;)
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Have a good time !
In a few hours I'll be offline for 3 weeks.
The topics so far..
Punkbuster
Battletracker
Linux/Mac
Hosting Home Server
DCDS
Keeping 25Assist for Mac/Linux Clients
Download Size of the Client
I'm sure there is more to be said on each of the topics, and please do.
Also feel free to voice your requests/concerns/questions here while I'm gone.
As I said, I'll be gone for 3 weeks, perhaps we'll have some kind of Community wide vote on if we proceed or not.
I promise you.. I will not think once about AA while sitting on the beach :)
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I promise you.. I will not think once about AA while sitting on the beach :)
You seem to go on a lot of vacations o.O
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I promise you.. I will not think once about AA while sitting on the beach :)
Liar :D
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some ppl says that if you poke ELiZ he drop gold coins.
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2.8.5 yeah but hopefully without S.A.I.
Dont think iam ungrateful but I hate this fcking thing :D
amen gay as fuck, no need for it
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no need to have SAI while you have hacks :)
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Hi guys, all fine?
Very cool hear this, I still got too the game.exe and atualizations patches on a recorded dvd, congratulations to this work guys and if the migration come true, with sure I´m here to play, cya all.
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While I was cheking 2.8 stuff, I did some simple things with AntiPoke, I'm not a coder so it may move a bit to the left/right of your screen, depends of your screen Resolution.
I can update this for 2.5 without the need of assist client updates :) (eg: Now)
Ping is a Float value, thats why theres a dot between 18 and 15.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64317034/285Shot00005.PNG)
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I'm up for that and would love to see it moving to 2.8:)
Also would love to see a communication stuff the same as it was in real 2.8:) Voice channel or something so you can speak with others
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amen gay as fuck, no need for it
SAI reduces the teamkills so much if you actually use it, just because you don't use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game. you can manually disable it anyways. But imo it's an added value.
Furthermore, do not put in a health meter in this game, there is a reason I liked this game more than others (like CS where you do know your health). the uncertainty with bleeding gives it another dimension.
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hi,
i don't know if anybody cares about my opinion, but i don't want 2.5 to be exchanged into 2.8.5. eventually, create new "assist" which will be 2.8.5
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yes, i can understand you with that wish. but then maybe the 200 active players will play half of them on 2.5 half of them on 2.8.5. would not bee good at all, right?
so just wait until the new version will be released and give that a chance. with more control about cheaters (has to be done first) this will be a step forward. if this update would not be good at all, as you can see, the players would give feedback very fast :)
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My experians is that alot players are a little reticent to make contact.
When i dit play whit my old =PUF= m8 on gost recon were you to can talk in game.
that only a very little group are talking in game.
TS ore Raidcall is best solution for contact in gameplay.
Ask the admins if you can come on TS ore Raidcall normally they react possitieve.
The best i can recommend is Raidcall were you easy can make contact between multiple clans ore TS like it is made by Big_Sergio for Assist.
A- sound is also far better. :up:
And here befor i forget an old Tweak site for 2.8.5 :cool:
Not full functional but enough info.
http://www.tweakguides.com/AASF_1.html
I'm up for that and would love to see it moving to 2.8:)
Also would love to see a communication stuff the same as it was in real 2.8:) Voice channel or something so you can speak with others
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Just to clarify: There will be no custom maps for 285 Assist?
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oh holy shit, yes goose, a very good question ..
there were no mAAp-Packs, right?
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theres plenty of user created maps for aao 2.8, to use them you would have to find the makers and ask their permission. As for mAAp it only made maps for 2.5.
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So for the current maps to be available, Eliz would have to reverse engineer the converter to convert maps from 2.5 to 2.8.5 this time?
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i guess there is no way to go with maps from 2.5 to 2.8.5. other way yes, but not this way.
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Well who is gonna miss the maap pack anyway? Maybe just Poolday. But the rest is not being played at all. Oldtown, River Village, Floodgate, Refinery are already in the 2.8.5.
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Floodgate had 20ppl yestarday lol
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Yes, floodgate is in 2.8.5.
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So for the current maps to be available, Eliz would have to reverse engineer the converter to convert maps from 2.5 to 2.8.5 this time?
exactly
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Why bother changing it keep it as is
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Well who is gonna miss the maap pack anyway? Maybe just Poolday. But the rest is not being played at all. Oldtown, River Village, Floodgate, Refinery are already in the 2.8.5.
Poolday was recreated from a user-created map which was in 285 already.
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I dont think the move to 2.8 is the right thing to do. You should keep it the same but sort out the hacks and mods.
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so, 2.5 won't be around forever? I liked the nostalgia.
I still have 2.8.5 and play it occasionally. the issue with it is similar to 2.5 though. without 25Assist, there's no server browser because of auth clearly. I've had to rely on the "manual" methods of typing down the IP. it's not a problem since all i have to really do is look at Chevy's site. with the Assist concept, it would help. it shouldn't be impossible to run both versions. alas, the infrastructure could be an issue.
anyway, I guess this means I won't have to report how Assist kicks me out of auth after ~5 seconds or so while I'm trying to join a server, and it tells me I need to log back in. that is the only thing that kind of sucks about now.
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So for the current maps to be available, Eliz would have to reverse engineer the converter to convert maps from 2.5 to 2.8.5 this time?
Yes.. It would be able to convert the 2.5 mAAp maps to 2.8.5 if the community demands it.
Perhaps we could convert the 4-5 most popular maps for the initial release, and then move the rest when it's convenient.
As mentioned poolday + the other 2.8.5 maps I converted a few months back would be already in 2.8.5
I've been able to modify 2.8.5 to download tours from the Assist Server instead of the dead armyops servers.
and yes.. I'm still on holiday.. 3 days left, I just could not stay away.
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Yes.. It would be able to convert the 2.5 mAAp maps to 2.8.5 if the community demands it.
Doubt they would demand it.
But... Since you're all hacking & reverse engineering things, the one big limitation for mapping on 2.8 is that you can't import stuff. The menu option might just be disabled or something in the editor. If you're bored, maybe check that out :)
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or he can build a 2.4 to 2.8 bytecode converter so you can "Import" things :)
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The 2.4.1 editor sucks. It would be best to have the 2.8 editor for AI and all that other updated good stuff. Course, I could use the 2.4.1 editor to import stuff and then convert it but ELiZ is always looking for a challenge :)
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I could do a standalone app that would enable an import of objects.
So far the work that I've done for 2.8.5 is converting UE2Runtime->AA285 for the Uscripts.
But as to modify the 2.8.5 Editor, I've been unable to figure out where exactly they "broke" it.
I'm guessing that it was done in the native part of AA.
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Oh, a standalone would be fine. Once the packages are made, you can open anything in the 2.8 editor.
I would have an unpopular request if Assist does move to 2.8.5. It would be a perfect opportunity to rewrite some things and I think there's 2 things to be done that would help save the game and bring back the nostalgia for more people;
1. Disable tracking for servers on mods outside of Assist.
2. Disable tracking for crap unrealistic maps like PoolDay. That seems to be the map the stats whores & abusers like.
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Oh, a standalone would be fine. Once the packages are made, you can open anything in the 2.8 editor.
I would have an unpopular request if Assist does move to 2.8.5. It would be a perfect opportunity to rewrite some things and I think there's 2 things to be done that would help save the game and bring back the nostalgia for more people;
1. Disable tracking for servers on mods outside of Assist.
2. Disable tracking for crap unrealistic maps like PoolDay. That seems to be the map the stats whores & abusers like.
Only way for Assist to disable tracking for servers is by disable "honor", that is how I see it anyway.
Sure, it will be possible to build in checking for processes and such.. but it will lead to the same cat and mouse game that exists between cheaters and Anti-Cheaters..
One do a update, the other reacts, one always being the reactive one.. guess who we would be.
I'm not seeing how it would be done, perhaps we could have a model where we include all of the mods that exists for aa285, like the ones we have today, and if it's loaded, switch off honor. We would NOT chase around trying to detect 3:rd party mods.
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Perhaps just catching mods with bad stuff like HackHunter does. Make sure 1 kill = 1 kill, check the points, etc...
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Also, an unrelated note; if moving to 2.8 does happen, I think it would be a shame to do it without getting in touch with Darky over at DRAAT to setup a custom tracker and account system that is harder to abuse and easier to maintain.
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Also, an unrelated note; if moving to 2.8 does happen, I think it would be a shame to do it without getting in touch with Darky over at DRAAT to setup a custom tracker and account system that is harder to abuse and easier to maintain.
I'm not sure that would be a good idea. He was never around even when 2.5 and Draat were still relevant. Crunk basically ran that site.
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What are the feelings about having server running only on Windows or with both Windows/Linux.
I don't have any figures on the current distribution when it comes to Servers.
But Im guessing that we will have to use both OS's?
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I think there's a fair bit of Linux servers out there. I would bet that the majority is Windows but Linux is probably up there.
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I don’t think the move to 2.8 is such a good idea, Linux is an up and coming gaming platform with steam and their new Linux based console. we should not be dropping support for it now. If steam's console becomes as popular as the ps3 or xbox it will be thousands of new potential players.
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Console? As in playing with a gamepad? Been there, it's incredibly difficult. It'd be nice to see Linux come up in the market. What about keeping 2.5 on just for Linux and open it up more for people to mod it and whatnot?
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It should defiantly be kept for linux. I don’t really see the need for the update to 2.8 though?
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The only reason I see is that it's an updated engine and should offer better performance and newer/more realistic features. I never played 2.8 much though. It's a shame we can't get at the source code to contact Icculus to build a Linux binary for 2.8.
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I'm confused, 2.8.5 binaries exist for Linux.
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you can host a server but you can't play 2.8.5 (native) on linux :)
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Oh do PLEASE bring back 2.8.5 .... I miss the field dressing.
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yes bring 285 assist!
i miss the 2.8 game!
and at least there will not be hack for 28 assist.
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Retards will always find a way to hack
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and at least there will not be hack for 28 assist.
Pretty sure there was a ton of people hacking on 2.8.5. Since it's a "modern" way of hacking with DLL injection and C++ whatnots, there's actually more people that know about it so I would wager that more people would hack on 2.8. UScript is long dead for 2.5 and with such a small player base, not many bother to hack on it.
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Hello Forum,
first of all, this is gernerally a good goal. But I personally would prefer 2.7 instead of 2.8.x. I don´t rember that excactly, but I think the duration of a flashbang has been reduced in the point release 8.
Furthmore I would like to see it still on linux and mac, because as I rember correct linux support was dropped by 2.6 and I think the small AA2 community can take use of those gamers.
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at least we can play 2-3 months clean , as 2.5 assist first 3 months of it game clean , there were no hackers ^^
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you can host a server but you can't play 2.8.5 (native) on linux :)
Ah ... of course... :oops:
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Mind my asking, is this evere going to happend?
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There's a thread in the admin section that shows progress. ELiZ is spending a LOT of time on it and it will probably happen. It's totally possible.
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thanks for the reply spanky, i am to lazy to look for it will you link me...
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thanks for the reply spanky, i am to lazy to look for it will you link me...
I could link you but you're not admin so you couldn't see it.
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I think keeping the posts on progress private is the perfect way to keep the community up to date!
That was sarcastic by the way.
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Then here you go:
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That shows ELiZ is able to load code automatically and become authenticated. He's also working on building a SDK for 2.8.5 for future code.
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omg...which one am i going to play aa4 or this 2.8:P very hard decision ^^
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I feel that adding Linux gamers to the 2.8.5 update would be useful. I am one and enjoy playing assist almost everyday but I don't want to play by myself. I personally am not good enough at coding to port it but would like to see if someone could because we need all the players we can get.
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We can get 2.8.5 to work on it without a port. It would be running through Wine or a similar emulation program.
We can't port to Linux or Mac because we don't have the source code for AA or someone knowledgeable enough with enough time to port it without problems. The guy that ported AA before was hired by the devs and never fully finished the ports, just got them "playable". It takes a lot of effort.
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omg...which one am i going to play aa4 or this 2.8:P very hard decision ^^
aa4 is not that bad at all, can't wait til they release it, good games on aa4 so far,
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punkbuster can't run on WINE. not sure about mac
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punkbuster can't run on WINE. not sure about mac
Good excuse to dump PunkBuster.
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Good excuse to dump PunkBuster.
sure, if you have time to create something that does what this obsolete program do :D
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I've said this many times before. Assist could MD5 files and HackHunter does a better job than PB. PB is just slow especially with all of its checks and ban lists and all that shit.
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I think this move is much needed in my opinion. and some things I would definitely like to see are
maap pack being utilized in 2.8.5
ability to host a server from home
the ability to turn pb off and still be authorized (since pb sucks) But must run hack hunter or new anti cheat
See I know AA4 will be pretty big. But u also must understand that most people now days don't have the money to go update their cpu's to be able to play AA4. So for those people 2.8.5 will be plenty for them. I think this is a great idea.
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I have found a way of running pb on wine in Mac and Linux so we do not have to drop pb.
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I have found a way of running pb on wine in Mac and Linux so we do not have to drop pb.
great ^^. does it work fine? no kicks etc?
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As I remember you cant port on Mac too through WINE or any other emulator, but if Johny found a way this is awesome even tho I'm a windows user. Great thing in moving!
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Good to see people are trying to make the game better <3
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I am in favor of upgrading to 2.8.5 AA gameplay is better and most players find the AA 2.8.5 the best of all....
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For sure 2.8.5 was the best.
AA3 killed it all...AA4 actually looks like it has hope. I however forsee them making it much like 3 and thus like COD and BF and all those ridiculous games.
AA2 is the bomb and im gona play it til its dead. Perfect match type fps game.
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When 2.8.5 is comming pleas do all mods that me aloud in to it so all can do the same !!!!!!!!
http://www.aamods.com/
My wish is to set jumps 630 and choose your own weapon for border nothing more.
my clan will try make assist a great game in first person shooting. :style:
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When 2.8.5 is comming pleas do all mods that me aloud in to it so all can do the same !!!!!!!!
http://www.aamods.com/
My wish is to set jumps 630 and choose your own weapon for border nothing more.
my clan will try make assist a great game in first person shooting. :style:
Oldschool for 2.8:)
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we barely have it running, and theres already ppl lookin for mods omg. D:
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Where the community will go, i will follow. AA for life yo!
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I think this move is much needed in my opinion. and some things I would definitely like to see are
maap pack being utilized in 2.8.5
ability to host a server from home
the ability to turn pb off and still be authorized (since pb sucks) But must run hack hunter or new anti cheat
See I know AA4 will be pretty big. But u also must understand that most people now days don't have the money to go update their cpu's to be able to play AA4. So for those people 2.8.5 will be plenty for them. I think this is a great idea.
F*ck.. you talking about me bro? :up:
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I have found a way of running pb on wine in Mac and Linux so we do not have to drop pb.
Does it slow down the game?
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Does it slow down the game?
probably will require better hardware
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probably will require better hardware
Which isn't saying much for AA. Probably dual-core or better would work fine.
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Core2Duo 3Ghz iMac osx 10.8 lion gets 60fps on any map on AA2.8.5. Slight lag spike will be felt when PB is used.
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windows i7, quad core, 16GB RAM, SSD, 20/2 MB iNet, 90fps on any map - lol, put your apple away, it's anyway biten :D
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Which isn't saying much for AA. Probably dual-core or better would work fine.
Does AA even use 2 cores? I thought it only used 1....
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windows i7, quad core, 16GB RAM, SSD, 20/2 MB iNet, 90fps on any map - lol, put your apple away, it's anyway biten :D
Windows 8, Octacore, 16GB Ram, SSD, 2x 7970 crossfire, 150/10 mbit Inet, 90 fps too xD
Does AA even use 2 cores? I thought it only used 1....
I thought 2.8.5 uses 2 cores.
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AA2 uses just 1 core. It's because of the engine. I don't think Unreal ever updated it. They did put out a 64-bit patch but I don't think AA released it and even if they did, it's a slight performance boost.
Also, unless you have a 120hz monitor, anything above 60FPS is useless.
Jonny, you didn't happen to try mAAp Pipe did you? :P
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When did this topic become a PC pissing contest? Jonny was simply stating that he could run 2.8.5 on a mac and what hardware it had.
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If we update to 2.8.5 will everyone go over or will we have a choice?
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When did this topic become a PC pissing contest? Jonny was simply stating that he could run 2.8.5 on a mac and what hardware it had.
And I was stating that better Hardware than merlin posted doesnt bring more fps in aa2.
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If we update to 2.8.5 will everyone go over or will we have a choice?
No, everybody will go. Of course, you could still play 2.5, just the same way you can play 2.8.5 now :)
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Go for it, I liked 2.8 :up:
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when I said better hardware I was thinking of the 'emulation?' process. the game will use only 1 core but the other core(s) can manage all other apps/services etc etc :D
I'm not sure but, while using WINE: nvidia cards >>>> amd/ati cards
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That's why I said dual-core would probably be good enough. One to run Wine, the other to run AA. Perhaps the processor core assignment for programs could be accessed to force Wine to one core and AA to the other?
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Its not really a emulator, its just translating direct3d to opengl, the overhead is very small.
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Any update on this matter?
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ELiZ was working on it, but he started a business and decided to spent all his time into it :) so the project almost died;
So, No 2.8.5.
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ELiZ was working on it, but he started a business and decided to spent all his time into it :) so the project almost died;
So, No 2.8.5.
Not even a little 2.5.8 ? :D
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Not even a little 2.5.8 ? :D
nope >D, I blame the AA Devs for it.
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aah cmon people... 2.8.5 is just much better... less glitches/bugs
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aah cmon people... 2.8.5 is just much better... less glitches/bugs
And who's gonna code it... you maybe ?
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aah cmon people... 2.8.5 is just much better... less glitches/bugs
Hey if you can code it, be my guest. If not, shut up.
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