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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: ^^UnDiSpUtEd^^ on Wednesday, February 08, 2012, 09:47:01 AM
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Hey guys i m just thinking about if you going to make some difference about flashes? I thinks its too sensitive, also when you throw it it could be closer to flash e strongly...cuz every time someone throws it and its quit far away we getting flashed...also can u make better to mac users?i get this that windows screeners wake up from being flashed faster than mac screeners. MAC screen takes longer to recover any fixes would be good because players keep talking about this and hope you take this into discussion
Thanks
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Go get flashed in real life. You'll see what it's like to experience "sensitive" flashes. They'll take you a while longer to recover from, though. As far as AA concerns, indeed do the flashes seem to be rather lengthy --but they need to, otherwise they wouldn't prove effective within the AA2.5 game engine and physics, which dare I say, are rather slower than that of AA's later releases.
Additionally, there is absolutely no difference between a flash being thrown to a Mac-player or a PC-player. They'll experience the same vision breakdown, the same sense of lostness and will take exactly the same time until they can start seeing the light shine upon their eyes once again...Unless you're using a 40 year old monitor plugged onto your Mac/PC, there is simply no way to either prove or counter-argument that the code has been made remarkably identical for whichever software/hardware.
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Go get flashed in real life. You'll see what it's like to experience "sensitive" flashes. They'll take you a while longer to recover from, though. As far as AA concerns, indeed do the flashes seem to be rather lengthy --but they need to, otherwise they wouldn't prove effective within the AA2.5 game engine and physics, which dare I say, are rather slower than that of AA's later releases.
Additionally, there is absolutely no difference between a flash being thrown to a Mac-player or a PC-player. They'll experience the same vision breakdown, the same sense of lostness and will take exactly the same time until they can start seeing the light shine upon their eyes once again...Unless you're using a 40 year old monitor plugged onto your Mac/PC, there is simply no way to either prove or counter-argument that the code has been made remarkably identical for whichever software/hardware.
I agree. However, I do believe that the flash in 2.5 needs to be fixed to where if you're not facing it, it doesn't blind you, or at least not as much as actually facing it. I think the length of the black screen is good.
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Wtf? FLashes make your screen dark and make your ears ring? Is this new? I thought those where just dud nades
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I feel rather inclined to judge upon said player's position awareness --as in, a player should be aware of his surroundings and be cautious as to avoid being flashed to begin with; unless he is put in a situation in which being flashed is a given. At this point, nothing that we'd change in the game would prove a different outcome.
I do, however, believe flashes would be more realistic if they turned your screen white as opposed to black. A fade from white is not only closer to reality as it affects visibility further. I'm sure that can be easily changed in the code. Up to the community consensus, though.
Wtf? FLashes make your screen dark and make your ears ring?
Oh, nevermind. It's just Jared being...Jared : )
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The thing is, it would be great to tweak weapons to be more realistic (although, I think they're realistic to begin with, just dumbed down for a game) but the problem is, none of us have safe access to use these weapons. I don't know about you but I don't care to be flashed just to tweak the settings for a game that has already had real-world research done. To change anything other than effect time, effect radius and a few other minor details, it would take significant coding to re-build the flash nade.
TL;DR
Too much work for us who are inexperienced with the weapons real life and the code that controls them in-game.
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I agree. However, I do believe that the flash in 2.5 needs to be fixed to where if you're not facing it, it doesn't blind you, or at least not as much as actually facing it.
And the flash time is so ridiculous, annoy me!! Especially when i know i'm gonna get killed :P
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And the flash time is so ridiculous, annoy me!! Especially when i know i'm gonna get killed :P
In the console:
bind q suicide
Press Q, problem solved.
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No don't do that, you will get kicked by PB if you bind suicide. It robs the other player of getting the kill they earned.
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In the console:
bind q suicide
Press Q, problem solved.
and they you get called a douchebag by everyone who plays the game. :P not to mention most keybinds get you kicked now. Also, my push to talk button is Q. :P
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I still do it, I just don't bind it :) I know it's cheap but I mostly do it on cheap times where they're just sitting with a flash sound camping. Cheap tactic for cheap tactic.
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Thanks for the answer guys, I really appreciated. I would agree with the white color screen than it's black, in real army i think it's white so it should be good if you could change that. Also as it said when u get flashed from behind would get you less blind than u actually looking in front of the flash, I know this will take a lot of coding, but hope you keep updating and develop the game, do your best to make us enjoy the game.
Thanks
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No problem Virus. You don't know what's possible without asking :) It could be that down the road we become expert coders and can modify these aspects but right now, it's a bit out of reach.
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No problem with that, it's good that someone is really working with the aa2.5. Hope you recruit some more coders...more experts on these things.
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what language?
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Don't know what you mean but I guess in English:)
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coding language :)
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I think It's has to be in English, as you do coding on AA you need English language I ques
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C and uscript.
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I think It's has to be in English, as you do coding on AA you need English language I ques
Probably 99% of the programming languages have an English derived syntax, the syntax anyway its often made of basic terms, the hardest part is understanding how the language works in all of its parts and producing something that works (e.g. c++ -> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B )
lets keep in topic btw
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Thats right, its hard work on coding many don't understand how it even works, but i think flashes needs to be developed more with nades etc.
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In the console:
bind q suicide
Press Q, problem solved.
That's so lame...
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That's so lame...
A lot of things in AA are :) GCB editing, ini tweaks, camping with a flashbang, etc...
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ini tweaks
Those for the most. Loads of people using a lame binding for crouching-laying fast.
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None of those are even compared with */suicide when flashed, not even reconnecting... And by the way camping with a flash isn't lame.
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:) Sometimes it's fun just to piss off others.
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Although i sympathise with the argument of being flashed in real life , you must see beyond it. How can you possibly play a shooter game whilst being flashed for 25 seconds.
Playing collapsed tunnel in a match , the defence side can't even defend it cause of the flashes. Normally some people will run in blind west tunnel. Now even if u manage to do it , u still are flashed until finally after 25 seconds the screen decides to get some colour again.
Reality is important , yet prior to that is gameplay. If the flashes are getting too powerful , it will lead in people running around with flashes in stead of guns! Of course flashes are a tactical weapon , still i hope most people will see that making it too powerful would make it a killing weapon in stead of a tactical one.
Yours ,
Gaav
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The thing is, it would be great to tweak weapons to be more realistic (although, I think they're realistic to begin with, just dumbed down for a game) but the problem is, none of us have safe access to use these weapons. I don't know about you but I don't care to be flashed just to tweak the settings for a game that has already had real-world research done. To change anything other than effect time, effect radius and a few other minor details, it would take significant coding to re-build the flash nade.
TL;DR
Too much work for us who are inexperienced with the weapons real life and the code that controls them in-game.
Flashes in 2.5 are great they reduced the time and effectiveness starting around 2.7 by 2.8.5 a flash was absolutely useless outdoors basically didnt even work and indoors you needed to be in a confined space and be hit close and even then they are buggy and you can't be sure you got someone.
DO NOT CHANGE A THING...
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I still do it, I just don't bind it :) I know it's cheap but I mostly do it on cheap times where they're just sitting with a flash sound camping. Cheap tactic for cheap tactic.
That's one of the reasons I have 1/2 Million points in ROE from Tking all the noobs suiciding in the early days..
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As much as I get annoyed by the flashes, I wouldn't change them. In 2.8.5 I hardly ever threw a flash because they were pretty much useless, like throwing a firecracker in a warfield. Now they have more meaning in the game and you just gotta get used to them.
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Why is everyone comparing to the 2.8.5 version?
What most people intend is a decrease of the duration of the flash , not limiting the effects..
Flashes should be as powerful , yet the duration of a black screen can easily been shortened for 7-8 seconds.
25 seconds being flashed is way too long.
Yours,
Gaav
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Why is everyone comparing to the 2.8.5 version?
Because a lot of users came from 2.8.5 after auth was shut down and they want what they are used to. Nothing wrong with that, they just have to understand that it's a different version and they're not going to get all the changes to make it like 2.8.5.
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Ye its a diff version thats why i was wondering why everyone was comparing cause u shouldn't.
Anyone , still off-topic. What about a decrease in length of the flash?
Yours,
Gavin
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Ye its a diff version thats why i was wondering why everyone was comparing cause u shouldn't.
Heh, this makes comparing anything quite useless.
The difference between 2.5 and 2.8.5 isn't that big in my opinion, that you couldn't or shouldn't compare them. If we have a chance to make the game as we want or at least give some ideas to it in certain limits why shouldn't we compare the good and the bad things and develop.
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i can't believe this thread is still going, the flashes are fine.
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I would like to change them a bit, make the sound louder and have them make your screen white to eye-rape night-time players.
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I feel rather inclined to judge upon said player's position awareness --as in, a player should be aware of his surroundings and be cautious as to avoid being flashed to begin with; unless he is put in a situation in which being flashed is a given. At this point, nothing that we'd change in the game would prove a different outcome.
I do, however, believe flashes would be more realistic if they turned your screen white as opposed to black. A fade from white is not only closer to reality as it affects visibility further. I'm sure that can be easily changed in the code. Up to the community consensus, though.
Oh, nevermind. It's just Jared being...Jared : )
Older versions before 2.0 DID have white flashes, most or all 1.x series had White flashes. The reason it was changed to Black is because if you didnt play full screen, the white flashes wouldnt blind you. Making them kinda useless against the players who exploited this.
But Me personally? I have never been flashed or know much about flashbangs in general. I do, however, know that flash bangs were tuned down ALOT by the time 2.8.5 came around .
They dont work very well Outside and the effects are alot shorter in 2.8.5.
Its a shame theres no coders that would want to fix this thou, could do so much, like actually update the game itself and keep movin the 2.x series forward.
Edit: sorry didnt see Go_Cat75 already made this point. Guess ill i should do forum things sober once in awhile.
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Its good, didn't know about the white flashes.
For the others since at least 90% of the players play or did play V2.8.5 and yes will we compare it as we have seen all the changes before some good some bad. So we already have a very good knowledge of this.
Don't dismiss it and make changes because the minority that have stuck at V2.5 have more of a voice here because they have been here longer in V2.5 over the last few years.
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sup gaav why complaining so much about the flashes? makes it more tactical and CT unplayable ofc.
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I gotta be honest, I have absolutley ZERO interest in doing anything about this.
But if someone else does i'm happy to build it into the next update.
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Please someone do it:)it would be a great update for us ppl:) Some new changes in flashes, like color and some time reduced when flashed to 20 sec? would be great for new update someone plz be interested in recoding it:P
Thanks
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---Some new changes in flashes, like color---
And what would the color be? Hmm, red?
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white, make a poll how many ppl would say yes or no to white flash screen:)
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I see a lot of up-your-arse attitude here!
Fellows, it has been your choice to downgrade to 2.5. We, 2.5 players and community, seem to appreciate it and would very much like to have you around for a great while, but we're no slaves to your unfaithful requests. mAAp Staff has absolutely no obligation (although they do seem to have the will!) to change the game at all --and yet they've been trying to make this game and its version the most pleasant for everybody.
Chill. Stop moaning about the changes you want to see made. They're not the AA devs nor are they being paid. Rushing things won't do no one no good. Do keep on suggesting improvements and discussing the game physics but please, do bare in mind how such discussions are being handled.
I would like to ask that you do not take this offensively, too, if you may.
Now shuu.
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Just an idea, hope to keep the topic open for ideas etc, but i m not doing anything just ideas:)just a member
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I just flashed myself outside (on bridge) and it lasted for 20 seconds and that counts half a second extra in the beginning and the fade-in time so the actual time is around 15 seconds. That's not much in a combat situation when you throw a flashbang in a room to disable hostile forces.
How about this topic ender:
Code a modification (or find someone to do it) to prove it's possible then start a vote here and get a majority yes (not 60/40) and we'll gladly implement it. Until then, nothing's going to happen.
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1st of all i have to apologize that i didnt read this whole topic and last messages but i have to say i have nothing against how long we are blind and from how long distance the flashes are effecting us but i HATE to listen that noise that comes if nade / flash blows near of me...never counted any time but we're pretty much half deaf for at least 1-2 mins and it sucks especially in the maps where u need to hear steps etc.
But im really thankful AA is still alive and what ive seen.more and more ppl are coming back to this game..so good job aa25 team.
ps. edit.
That noise didnt last that long in 2.8.5...
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never counted any time but we're pretty much half deaf for at least 1-2 mins and it sucks especially in the maps where u need to hear steps etc.
It's amusing to see people's inability to guess time elapsed. I'll put money down that it's not longer than 30 seconds. The screen fade (I would bet that the noise lasts as long) is only about 20 seconds.
That noise didnt last that long in 2.8.5...
They dumbed things down for gameplay, not for realism.
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I agree a bit with everybody here.
Power of flash is ok, but it shold be weaker if u don't face it ...
And about the 203 ear pain, I also agree, in my view it lasts much too long, even when the 203 isn't that close ... But that ain't big problems that make it impossible to play so actually no real problem ;)
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lol oh my, flashbangs! that brings back memories!
I recall the first time I got flashed ingame, The whole screen turned black and that noise came, I got so scared that my computer may had gotten hacked that I unplugged the power cord from the wall lool!
I had no idea what a flashbang was.
Guess how embarassed i felt, when I found that its actually something which happens ingame lol.
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actuallly I can see where raw is coming from when he mentioned the shell shocked noise that overcomes the speakers from nades nearby that dont actually hurt you, I think its buggy as I've had the noise carry on for a very long time after the grenade has went off and other times the sound has lasted for no time at all.
U got me right.
Im talking about that noise that comes if the nade blows near of u...
and again..it doesnt matter in outdoor maps but like in WC its all about listening what enemy is doing and the sounds are everything in those maps.
I mean is there any nerd that could change that or is it even possible since the original dev's aint helping us anymore.
(I dont kno how much the 25assist group can do)
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Again, that's the point of a flashbang... to completely disorient the person it's intended for, audio AND visual. I've already made my point in this thread. Anybody is welcome to rip into the AA files with UTPT and create a mod to alter flashbang time but keep in mind that you'll have to create a poll and have the majority of users want that mod installed by default.
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go play cs. flashbangs are ok.
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U got me right.
Im talking about that noise that comes if the nade blows near of u...
and again..it doesnt matter in outdoor maps but like in WC its all about listening what enemy is doing and the sounds are everything in those maps.
I mean is there any nerd that could change that or is it even possible since the original dev's aint helping us anymore.
(I dont kno how much the 25assist group can do)
I agree, flash nades are way too annoying, we should have more cutier pink fancy pringles-like tubes that explode with a "bloop!" subtle noise leaving a flavour of strawberries in the air. That, that would fit.
</sarcasm>
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Koden, you're obligated to buy me some pringles now that you've mentioned them.
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Koden, you're obligated to buy me some pringles now that you've mentioned them.
Kind of late, Kitteh already ate em.
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It's ok, I don't like sour cream and onion anyway.
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It's ok, I don't like sour cream and onion anyway.
Barbecue is definitely the best flavor.
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Skrewy just likes the way it smells as he shoves it up his arse.
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i would too like flashes to be more like they are in 2.8.5. currently they are too strong, they blind you even if you're not facing them and they muzzle your sound even when thrown in the other room that is separated by a wall. they are also too effective outdoors and people are starting to ran around with flashes like they did 2 years ago...
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i would too like flashes to be more like they are in 2.8.5.
So useless?
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So useless?
nope, effective when thrown properly, unlike in 2.5 when they are effective no matter where or when they are thrown :-[ the difference is in 2.8.5 you have to earn your kill and throw "smart" flashes that will give you advantages, in 2.5 you just have to throw your flash and slowly walk to execute a guy that cant see anything for 20 seconds :'(
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nope, effective when thrown properly, unlike in 2.5 when they are effective no matter where or when they are thrown :-[ the difference is in 2.8.5 you have to earn your kill and throw "smart" flashes that will give you advantages, in 2.5 you just have to throw your flash and slowly walk to execute a guy that cant see anything for 20 seconds :'(
The latter is much more realistic imho. Even tho it's true, getting blinded is boring, but you're supposed to make your tactics, avoiding getting blinded and such. On 2.8.5 flashes have almost no ear effect whatsoever, if you stand more than 50 cm away of the place where the flash blows.
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nope, effective when thrown properly, unlike in 2.5 when they are effective no matter where or when they are thrown :-[ the difference is in 2.8.5 you have to earn your kill and throw "smart" flashes that will give you advantages, in 2.5 you just have to throw your flash and slowly walk to execute a guy that cant see anything for 20 seconds :'(
no, flashes in 2.8 were broken and way too weak. You had to literally land it withing 5 feet of the person for it to be effective, which is not realistic at all. Also, you seem to be overestimating how good flashes are in 2.5.
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ya, guess flashes are good for those who fear real gun fights :)
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ya, guess flashes are good for those who fear real gun fights :)
-.- yeaaah. Why did they even bothered to implement flashes? Wait, why did they even bothered to make weapons, better fight with a stone and a knife. That, that is really manly and masculine.
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better fight with a stone and a knife
Bare hands is the way to do it, or with a primitive death breath...
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before mankind was fighting with there fist they where sword fighting with there dicks, clearly in such an event I am at too much of an advantage and would be immediately berated for 'hacking' somehow..
That's because you would hollow out a horse cock and slide it on yours...
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-.- yeaaah. Why did they even bothered to implement flashes? Wait, why did they even bothered to make weapons, better fight with a stone and a knife. That, that is really manly and masculine.
lawl, big difference between killing a blind opfor and killing an opfor with a bigger (better) gun.
and you would be one to bring a stone and knife to a gun fight. ;D
edit: why is every one of skewy's posts about cocks? dont you think about anything besides penis's? gettin lil obsessive over there
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lawl, big difference between killing a blind opfor and killing an opfor with a bigger (better) gun.
and you would be one to bring a stone and knife to a gun fight. ;D
edit: why is every one of skewy's posts about cocks? dont you think about anything besides penis's? gettin lil obsessive over there
I just meant another thing, but nevermind who cares, Jarkko (Cal) got it.
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I love that "Dead End" door.
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lol any1 that uses a flash is a noob, lots of skill killn a blind man
get rid of noob ass flashes and noob ass silencers
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Yea, fuck tactics and tools that can help you win a war. Get rid of these helicopters, tanks, UAVs, APCs and all other vehicles. Fuck, why not get rid of weapons all together, get rid of the buildings, just come at me in the middle of the desert.
/sarcasm
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lol any1 that uses a flash is a noob, lots of skill killn a blind man
get rid of noob ass flashes and noob ass silencers
Umadbro?
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Just meh. Anything that makes it a little more complex and maybe interesting is noob? Aside of that i'm bored to read noob here and there like it was freaking punctuation, just explain the freaking argument jeez.
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i'm bored to read noob here and there like it was freaking punctuation, just explain the freaking argument jeez.
You read my mind bro. People constantly whining about something and throwing that retard word everywhere makes AA a lot less interesting.
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Cant believe this topic is still going..
You want to see Flashes come to hospital when me and/or oicurmt! are on.
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Skrewy and Koden are still flirting?
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Ah Skrewy, you're so predictable. Always go for the easy jabs, never come up with anything actually new or creative. Same old insults over and over, you're lucky most people here are so easy to troll. Carry on, I'm sure there's someone else who will tell you NO ONE NO WHO U ARE SKREWUP Y NO U JUST LEAVE
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So, what does this have to do with me exactly? Except the part where I get fucked at the end, I don't see how I should be offended by this. And you have to know that even that part won't offend me. I can imagine you beyond the internet. You probably think you're a comedian there too. I wonder if people play along out of pity? Or are they honest?
Are you happy? Do you feel you're living your life the best way you can? I doubt it, given the identity you try so hard to develop here on the forums. You probably think you're being alpha. If I tell you that no one likes you, I know you'll try to argue that you don't care about what others think of you. That you just like to make people like me type up big messages like this all because you trolled them. You've lost your entertainment value Skrewy. For now, mans and a few others will continue to blow their loads over your hilarity. But you've lost me.
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Honestly, I don't care.
Crunk downloaded child pornography and he was caught. This doesn't bother me. If he wants to fap to kids I don't think it has anything to do with me. Some people fap to abuse and rape fetishes... but they aren't arrested for it. All porn is taboo, some more than others, but it's not my place nor anyone else's to judge these things. If an action doesn't affect me, I don't pay attention to it.
Trolling with Crunk jokes won't work on me.
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If an action doesn't affect me, I don't pay attention to it.
One of the best things you've ever said. I agree 100%.
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I don't approve of the people who create it or the people who upload it to the internet. I support the removal of all CP from the internet, but the viewers are not the criminals here. The aforementioned persons, on the other hand, are most definitely criminals and I feel that justice is necessary.
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u loved crunk for his pedoness
u felt he was the victim
u hate the legal system for keeping your pedo master away from u
cos ur ghey
-I still like Crunk. He's a good guy, and he's doing alright if anyone was curious.
-I don't think he was a victim, I think he's a dumbass. But that's irrelevant.
-I hate the legal system cuz it's part of a much larger system I hate. Can't hate the sum and not the parts.
-And? You think I'm offended by you calling me gay?
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You really like trying to troll me by calling me gay. You're just inflating my ego more and more. I feel like a fucking queen right now.
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F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
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Cry myself to sleep? Ha. I hate to brag but I'm actually at the peak of my existence right now, sorry you're gonna look back on your life and think "wow... nobody liked me that whole time?" Life is short Skrewy, I suggest you try to find something you enjoy. Maybe find someone who can tolerate you, I promise happiness comes easier when you're not alone. Everyone's self-conscious about some stuff, you don't need to be so miserable.
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Skrewy, I genuinely believe you that you'll look back on this and laugh. Maybe you are happy, kinda like when you see the retarded kid at school giggling for no apparent reason. This tough guy act has really consumed you... it's a damn shame you're not here in America. I'm sure there's some fat woman that would appreciate your humor.
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Perhaps my brain has "melted" and my posts here tonight have been weak. This weakness is not due to drugs, nor girly sex grooming, but to my fatigue and exhaustion.
I'm going to sleep. You can reply to this and have the final word this time. But next time I will not show the same mercy. You can't troll me like the others.
Also, your homophobia suggests some feelings or curiosities of your own. You don't need to fight them skrewy, embracing them is a good thing.