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Title: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Lord.aNoobis on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:17:36 PM
How about you guys fork the project and have  2 version of the game.

2.5assist V. clean and professional.
2.5assist V. dirty cheating bastards and mods.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Alex on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:23:00 PM
Obvious joke topic aside, how would we achieve this? If a clean player version is possible, wouldn't we just make that the only version? Or are you trying to say that hackers would want to face each other? Which is probably not the case... lol.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Lord.aNoobis on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:25:33 PM
We could ban them from playing the clean version and they would be relegated to only being able to play the dirty version and they could all have a dirty hacking orgy with each other.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: noobslayer on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:26:29 PM
they could all have a dirty orgy with each other.

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Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Lord.aNoobis on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:29:18 PM
It would be easy to do!
Just strip all the ac stuff and give it a different version no. And separate auth server.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Alex on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:31:41 PM
We could ban them from playing the clean version and they would be relegated to only being able to play the dirty version and they could all have a dirty hacking orgy with each other.
Honestly, that's not a terrible idea. Although I doubt they'd want to play other hackers since wanting an unfair advantage is why they hacked in the first place. If everyone is doing it, it probably won't be appealing to them.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Lord.aNoobis on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:37:37 PM
Yes but it will be funny to see them wollowing in their own filth. They will see the result of their hacking has on a game.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: noobslayer on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:39:40 PM
godmode vs godmode, who wins?
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Mike Mentzer on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 16:39:58 PM
Yes why not. Lets do it! This was Never done befor.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 17:02:27 PM
It will be pointless. Hackers like to "own" legit players. The only hackers that like to play against other hackers are the coders themselves, because they enjoy the coding and making things more efficient. People that buy the hacks are just lamers.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Vanoke on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 17:59:23 PM
thx for your compliments and compare us to dirty cheating basterds.
realy realy THX m8 your the best. you got my hart hooah!!

How about you guys fork the project and have  2 version of the game.

2.5assist V. clean and professional.
2.5assist V. dirty cheating bastards and mods.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 18:08:56 PM
Wrong topic to rage about mods Vanoke.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 18:12:04 PM
Lol why not give it a try, but spanky is 100000% right,
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: dtruesdale on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 18:58:20 PM
would be kinda funny, but then again the odds would be forever in your favor....lol. It would be equal ground to start till someone wrote a new hack. So they would e equally matched........
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Dav3 on Thursday, September 05, 2013, 19:56:32 PM
Pointless, just fuck off.

Non tracked, non honor. Go play ur shit on lans and ip connections if you wana be gay together
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Friday, September 06, 2013, 03:12:07 AM
It will be pointless. Hackers like to "own" legit players. The only hackers that like to play against other hackers are the coders themselves, because they enjoy the coding and making things more efficient. People that buy the hacks are just lamers.

+1
they would stop immed i guess
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: KARI-30 on Friday, September 06, 2013, 04:13:36 AM
Yes, they would stop and complain about other cheaters :D
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Kaz on Friday, September 06, 2013, 04:15:06 AM
 :down: instead of that , think about quitting tracker once for all , it has been the main cause of :
-dirty and anoying camping even when isn't needed , just for 'fragrate'
-ghost from clans ..to get higher stats ...
-hacks , people buy / download it so they can been seen has pros in battletracker.. imo.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: KARI-30 on Friday, September 06, 2013, 04:46:14 AM
Why would we do such thing for the unclean players. They had their chance a now they can f-off. Why would they get a 2nd chance to play the game. They should think twice about cheating.
Kaz that has been discussed before and tracker does have its benefits.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: ibad on Friday, September 06, 2013, 05:23:47 AM
:down: instead of that , think about quitting tracker once for all , it has been the main cause of :
-dirty and anoying camping even when isn't needed , just for 'fragrate'
-ghost from clans ..to get higher stats ...
-hacks , people buy / download it so they can been seen has pros in battletracker.. imo.

No. Bad idea. Legit players enjoy seeing their stats too. I would never ever pub if there wasn't a tracker.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: noobslayer on Friday, September 06, 2013, 06:47:22 AM
No. Bad idea. Legit players enjoy seeing their stats too. I would never ever pub if there wasn't a tracker.

So you call yourself a legit player? Pretty sure you were banned for using autohotkey.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Kaz on Friday, September 06, 2013, 06:53:49 AM
And thats why the tarcker is one of the main issues of this game , you could keep 'leveling' your honor without a tracker , maybe not the topic to discuss this but it isn't just my opinion , many players share this idea , doesn t matter if you'r legit or not , why ppl die and disconnect? why they reconnect , that would solve a lot of issues imo.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: KARI-30 on Friday, September 06, 2013, 07:05:00 AM
Stopping tracker doesnt stop cheaters. It just gives you a worse insight into accounts.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Friday, September 06, 2013, 07:14:14 AM
i would be very pleased if you will stop this discussion about tracking or not.
thank you :)
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Ganja on Friday, September 06, 2013, 07:15:34 AM
Change the tracker. Count the number of kills, but not deaths, so people will get out of their hole to try to get more kills. Your idea is damn original  Jonny, it could be nice i think haha
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Friday, September 06, 2013, 07:18:28 AM
ok, the i like to say now the following:
please stop to change things now. just relax and enjoy the game as it is now.
catch cheaters like we do now, it is a very good way like this. a bit work, but it will be less in future i am sure.
again thanks to all the admins and programmers for doing such a good job.
but sit back and play, have fun - and ganja - you can have a scrim if you like :D
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Ganja on Friday, September 06, 2013, 07:19:48 AM
I think you're right, maybe  we should just stop trying to make it a better game because it already is.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Kaz on Friday, September 06, 2013, 07:56:46 AM
not saying the game isn t good awready , hell ,4 me is damn good , but now other thing why pit keeps going pubs cheating and every1 claps hands?! am i new here ? some people can cheat without punishment? jusk asking ..
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Vanoke on Friday, September 06, 2013, 07:57:06 AM
 :up:
 :up:  how is this wise man :D
ok, the i like to say now the following:
please stop to change things now. just relax and enjoy the game as it is now.
catch cheaters like we do now, it is a very good way like this. a bit work, but it will be less in future i am sure.
again thanks to all the admins and programmers for doing such a good job.
but sit back and play, have fun - and ganja - you can have a scrim if you like :D
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: bollie on Friday, September 06, 2013, 09:15:31 AM
not saying the game isn t good awready , hell ,4 me is damn good , but now other thing why pit keeps going pubs cheating and every1 claps hands?! am i new here ? some people can cheat without punishment? jusk asking ..

pit is a special breed of hacker. we dont talk anymore about him.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, September 06, 2013, 10:45:51 AM
Ban him from your server. AAO assist doesnt want to ban him, doesnt mean the community cant stand up and do it. Hackers not welcome period.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Spanky on Friday, September 06, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
Ban him from your server. AAO assist doesnt want to ban him, doesnt mean the community cant stand up and do it. Hackers not welcome period.
VPN, Mac address change, PB GUID change... How are your bans holding up?


It would be good to get rid of the tracker. True fans of the game don't give a crap about it.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, September 06, 2013, 12:06:24 PM
Circumventing bans is prevalent everywhere. Once found, banned again. Its an endless cycle sure thats a given.

If someone really wants to put time and effort into continuously changing their identifiers and trying to get in so be it, they will eventually get bored of it and move on. Or if they dont its just as amusing to add to the ban list and laugh at what little of a life they have.

People coming back with new account, ip, diff mac after being banned for hacking is guaranteed. And for sure already many of them around, especially with all the bans in recent weeks.

Anyone who is a ultra low honor, and or low kills on tracker with high fr is investigated with history search to see if they link to any other accounts. If linked, banned.

If clean, watched.

After being watched and found to be clean, so be it, play away. If hacking youll end up banned again eventually.

Anyone who plays a game with a hack is pathetic. I dont know how someone can get enjoyment out of beating others / playing a game when very little of of the "winning" is due to your own ability. Simple minded, incapable, low self esteem losers.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: noobslayer on Friday, September 06, 2013, 12:21:17 PM
Get rid of tracker and see what happens, it will suck. Tracker is very helpful for example to see friends who are playing, it's a good tool to see who's in your clan, overall experience etc etc I can go on and on. Don't get rid of the tracker itself, get rid of the death count so there will be no fragrate, I think that would be a better idea.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, September 06, 2013, 12:33:47 PM
It would be a tragedy to get rid of tracker or remove any of its stats. It would be nice to be able to input dates to find stats due to the age and history of tracker. For example show someones stats year by year, and what not, month to month. It would be nice to see improvement over time, or to spot a hacker.

I also wish it showed rounds won compared to rounds lost. that would be a cool ratio

People who say these stats mean nothing, are simply oblivious, noobs, or dont have the brain power to see what the numbers are saying about a player. Your tracker stats are priceless and speak for your ability, compared to honor, witch is merely a representation of combined score - generally showing you simply put more time into the game than the next.

The REAL issue lies in People who get obsessed with their FR and start to try and boost it. AND those who think fr is everything.

Kills per hour, fr, score to roe are all important. If you have high in all, you are simply a better and more effective player than those with lower.

Example: Loser who has 4+ fr, but under 20 kills per hour. IS a camper and fr whore.

Where as: if your rocking 30+ kills per hour and can maintain over 2 fr, your on a good path, good effective player.

Score to roe speaks for itself, not taking reckless moves to take kills and what not.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Ganja on Friday, September 06, 2013, 12:54:35 PM
Tracker is very helpful to see friends who are playing

You can see that on assist itself, why would you use tracker for this.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: dtruesdale on Friday, September 06, 2013, 13:07:26 PM
It would be a tragedy to get rid of tracker or remove any of its stats. It would be nice to be able to input dates to find stats due to the age and history of tracker. For example show someones stats year by year, and what not, month to month. It would be nice to see improvement over time, or to spot a hacker.

I also wish it showed rounds won compared to rounds lost. that would be a cool ratio

People who say these stats mean nothing, are simply oblivious, noobs, or dont have the brain power to see what the numbers are saying about a player. Your tracker stats are priceless and speak for your ability, compared to honor, witch is merely a representation of combined score - generally showing you simply put more time into the game than the next.

The REAL issue lies in People who get obsessed with their FR and start to try and boost it. AND those who think fr is everything.

Kills per hour, fr, score to roe are all important. If you have high in all, you are simply a better and more effective player than those with lower.

Example: Loser who has 4+ fr, but under 20 kills per hour. IS a camper and fr whore.

Where as: if your rocking 30+ kills per hour and can maintain over 2 fr, your on a good path, good effective player.

Score to roe speaks for itself, not taking reckless moves to take kills and what not.

Interesting way to put it, but you forgot there is another objective other than FR in the game. Why is it someone with a low FR is a FR whore for camping. They may be trying to complete the objective by securing the 3 on the map. Those are not counted in the stats only kills are. Also your supposed to work as a team/unit. Meaning work together not run out and hope one survives to kill the last man standing. It has become all about the kills and not the wins from securing objectives and surviving the map. Kills are kills but when you can achieve your objective without having to fight everyone who is better? You can tell who the FR whores are when you secure the objectives and end the round and they want more kills.
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: -[unR]BENDAWICH on Friday, September 06, 2013, 13:36:56 PM
It would be a tragedy to get rid of tracker or remove any of its stats. It would be nice to be able to input dates to find stats due to the age and history of tracker. For example show someones stats year by year, and what not, month to month. It would be nice to see improvement over time, or to spot a hacker.

I also wish it showed rounds won compared to rounds lost. that would be a cool ratio

People who say these stats mean nothing, are simply oblivious, noobs, or dont have the brain power to see what the numbers are saying about a player. Your tracker stats are priceless and speak for your ability, compared to honor, witch is merely a representation of combined score - generally showing you simply put more time into the game than the next.

The REAL issue lies in People who get obsessed with their FR and start to try and boost it. AND those who think fr is everything.

Kills per hour, fr, score to roe are all important. If you have high in all, you are simply a better and more effective player than those with lower.

Example: Loser who has 4+ fr, but under 20 kills per hour. IS a camper and fr whore.

Where as: if your rocking 30+ kills per hour and can maintain over 2 fr, your on a good path, good effective player.

Score to roe speaks for itself, not taking reckless moves to take kills and what not.

Objs > Kills
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Dav3 on Friday, September 06, 2013, 13:50:18 PM
Hence why I said score as well - points per hour / score to roe ratio. Would be nice to see lost and won rounds.

You also stand low chance of getting obj on most maps unless you can hold your own, or have a team doing the killing - or an enemy team of nubs hiding away from obj and your path to it.

Without rounds won ratio or % its hard to judge a team based game off stats alone. But its close. You getting the obj has a lot to do with team so comparing obj is a lot more of a team stat not personal. Still important to win tho
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: noobslayer on Friday, September 06, 2013, 14:21:53 PM
You can see that on assist itself, why would you use tracker for this.

I;ve always done that since aaotracker
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: Saltuarius on Saturday, September 07, 2013, 04:11:53 AM
but then u need also a stat which was available 2003: time u played defence/assault in %. due to some problems with the devs, homey had to remove these stats again. or u change the mode of gaming with an automatic change assault/defence after 6 rnds.

well now with aa4 and homey active again, there is at least a small chance to get the aa2-stats made up again. and with aa4 maybe a lot of old players come back to test the game, would be good if they also find an acitve aa2-community, in case they dont like aa4...  :up:
Title: Re: accomodate the hackers
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Saturday, September 07, 2013, 10:13:45 AM
yes, go on and talk aa2 to death. good luck!