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America's Army => General Chat => Topic started by: Ganja on Friday, July 19, 2013, 07:06:58 AM
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Hello community,
Lately there has been a lot of activity on assist about: tk, namestealing, cheating, hacking, pubbing, scrimming, ahking etc. Now I know I'm certainly not the one who should say that, but whathappened to all the people playing the game for fun? I mean 100% fun.
Every day, you can see people arguing with each other about mods, clans, ghosts, this is such a nonsense.
The major activity of AA died when the devs abandonned it to work more on the AA3 version. Alot of us just couldn't go over to AA3 and luckily someone had made it possible to play this game on an authorized and tracked way.
Ofcourse times have changed, ofcourse the ammount of players has decreased by 90%, but that's life. The competitive scene of AA is dead. I personnaly have no idea what it ever looked like, because I never played competitive. But I'm wondering, why is there still such a gap between "ex-competitive players" and nowaday pubbers.
Pubbers accuse competitive players of cheating, and competitive players can't stop saying pubbers suck because they never played competition.
Recently mods have been untracked, so it would bring more people back, oldschool players back. Maybe the ammount of players changed a bit, but we can't reach 200 players every day now, so there won't be any real competition on AA 2.5 soon (yes there will be that cup which is being organized atm, but I guess that's not a BIG competition).
About the tking and the namestealing etc, all that could be said is, grow up and get a life. Who would waste his time on a nearly dead game by annoying players who still enjoy the game so much ..
So please guys, stop flaming, blaming, and insulting eachother, grow up and enjoy the gameplay that makes us all happy. And ofcourse I should follow my own advice.
Greetz
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I think we need to make it harder for people to make a new account, it might make people respect their account more.
I was thinking ...
- You have to pay for an account with paypal. Only 0.01 dollar but you can only have one account per paypal account. LOL, Try creating multiple paypal accounts and see the feds come at you for fraud.
- Make training mandatory before you can play the game.
I'm eager to hear the community's views on this.
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creating multiple paypal accounts
easy
Make training mandatory before you can play the game.
impossible
LOL :D
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Fine forget paypal. We will just take your credit card details directly and take payment of 0.01 dollars and then lock your account to that credit card?
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I think your wrong about the paypal thing..
Can I have multiple PayPal accounts?
Yes. You can hold up to two PayPal accounts at any time in the following combinations:
One personal account and one premier account.
One personal account and one business account.
One premier account and one business account.
Each account must have its own email address and bank account.
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Fine forget paypal. We will just take your credit card details directly and take payment of 0.01 dollars and then lock your account to that credit card?
Good idea for Americans, here in Europe it's not that easy to get a Credit Card.
You must have income flowing on your account on a regular basis.
What with the kiddies who don't work yet ?
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Don't agree with paypal thing, please make some non payment method then I'm up to.
With training agree, bring them back and/or even modify them. Also can you add like a skip talking button? when i did medical training and failed for couple times even tho I knew where i have put mistake in i had to wait for 20 - 30 min talking about the same thing. For those who wont know the answer etc can not press the skip button.
Make honor to 100 as it always been? Kinda strange 110 or make a few higher ups as it might get boring when you reach the final level. Just an idea don't get mad people ^^
Just an idea, AA store? I mean buy weapons and other things, this way you would get more donations ^^ just to liver up life of AA and maybe some kind of rewards? (Thats where i would pay not for account make up)
Get rid of PB, it is useless and all it does kicks players for mostly no reason.
Maybe a bit modify gameplay on hospital? Make 2 vip slots so to complete the mission you must kill 2 vips, just an idea that i heard from one of igc members, to make some fun as you say ganja.
Re look at all the maps, fix bugs even tho you might have to modify map a little bit like hospital-(change roof again spanky)
Make polls if you want to change something, as well as inserting them into assist so people can come to aao25 forum and vote.
Coding tutorial section, your own coding and programming stuff.(no idea if there is one already but a suggestion wont harm)
Get rid of battletracker, make your own stat tracker using DRAAT or whatsoever possible selection on websites and tools and of course of knowledge in coding.
Advertise AA25 on faceboook, twitter, websites as much as possible.
Add maybe new weapons, but I guess it would need lots of coding that nobody could do.
Upgrade System as strong as your dick. (Sorry it seemed like rhymed but the suggestion should be taken into consideration, didn't insult anyone.)
Texture editing maybe? Changing gun/map textures into modern army. Changing map textures to improve realistic game of the army.
Change the soldiers uniform into modern como or something realistic, there ar elots of people who know and like aao25, I'm sure your friends or friends of friends know how to use tools for re texturing and making up new things.
Update Forum, clean the mess every day and start adding warning even to your best friends when they break a rule.
No more drama, or make a drama section where you can cry about hackers/cheaters and other players.
Make so in the cheater submission thread only Admins of the forum can post. To prevent off topic and spam. The admin word is final and must be put like he is clean or he is banned etc, we players would know what was the final decision.
Better Forum admin communication between each other, your own meetings and discussions as a one group of things that needed or not needed to be done.
Recruit more coders, I'm sure there are a lot of good coders around but they just have no passion to do anything, make a test to new recruits so they prove their worth.
Now make all servers payable, people would not start shit and insulting, tk people if they knew there aren't lots of servers and being banned is not a good idea. I know most of them wont agree with this but an idea, make a life easier but make a life hardier on payments.
Make aao25 official server, put it on the top of news and announcement so they know its forum official server or something. (No needed to be honest)
Make forum users that are banned, marked with a word banned or something so we know he is banned... This would be an interesting forum and more colorful, this would not make the forum rainbow as it has been talked earlier on.
Divide forum admin jobs of what they have to do, seems to me a bit confusing who is doing what...looks like sergo doing everytihng with johnny, spanky maps but he needs to work on them fast and have passion finishing them.
If i have more ideas i tell them. Don't be angry or mad just the suggestions that came to my mind reading this through.
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The Training Idea is better..
To make this game modern, upgrade to 2.8.5.
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Good idea for Americans, here in Europe it's not that easy to get a Credit Card.
You must have income flowing on your account on a regular basis.
What with the kiddies who don't work yet ?
Your part of Europe must be different from my part of Europe, here they give credit/debit cards to anyone, in fact to claim your unemployment welfare benefits you must have a bank account and with that comes some sort of visa card.
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No gameplay needs to be modified. Gamers attitude does.
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Try telling sly, pit and wiggle
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there are some realy hard played tournaments for aa2 since one year.
http://www.desbl.de/index.php?page=public&site=chooseseason&gid=5
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i dont know i think u guys r resolving things which of course are problem but not the main one.......why u bother about multiple accs??for normal clean ppl it ll only be more difficult to play aao and it might make them not to play it.If the problem r hackers idk but these fuckers always find a way around eventualy anyway.
i for instance was using 1 account until i got problem with assist with that ur username is logged somewhere else so i made another which was faster than wait 30 mins for the first one.now i dont care on which acc i play.since my first acc is lost because i dont remember email from it since i made it like 7yrs ago.i also made new account when i got banned on chicken farm so i could join it again.
if u restrict making new accs u would just restrict the good ppl.
biggest problem in AAO are macros Most of "legit" players shoot with singlefire in firerate faster than even burst.Solve this and aao ll be cleaner than ever.
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Your part of Europe must be different from my part of Europe, here they give credit/debit cards to anyone, in fact to claim your unemployment welfare benefits you must have a bank account and with that comes some sort of visa card.
I don't know where you live, but here a normal bank card to withdraw money from your bank account
ist different from a credit card (VISA, MASTERCARD etc) which is basically an immediate cash reserve
which you can use at anytime (2000 up to 40000 euros). A monthly bill is then issued by the CC company
and the amounts withdrawn within that month for buying things are then recovered from your bank account + Interest. According to you theory, every loser with no job could go ask for such a card, spend 2000 euros
and then say fuck you to the bank well, no.
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Yeh jonnym u must live in usa:D
Thats true what zoxxe says
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i think that both of u shoot with single shot macros
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+1 for zoxxy post, no regular income, no credit card.
you need to make a system to make user account on this site and not battle tracker, so everytime user needs an account he will ask for it like the honor claims work, and no other way to make it..
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When i say credit card i use the term loosely. What i means is any kind of visa/mastercard/switch/amex that can be used to make payments online.
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hmm wolf I dont understand one Thing: why put honor back to 100?
Are you jealous of not having a 110?
They should put the honor 150 or more in my opinion ;-)
Leveling is and was a major part of aao since the beginning, beside having fun :D
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I think we need to make it harder for people to make a new account, it might make people respect their account more.
I was thinking ...
- You have to pay for an account with paypal. Only 0.01 dollar but you can only have one account per paypal account. LOL, Try creating multiple paypal accounts and see the feds come at you for fraud.
I agree with this! :up:
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When i say credit card i use the term loosely. What i means is any kind of visa/mastercard/switch/amex that can be used to make payments online.
I'm the same way. I call my debt/ATM card a credit card. The reason why is because it can be charged as a credit card (authorization on a pending transaction rather than immediate withdrawal).
I think the Paypal method would be by far easiest and quickest to ensure 1 account. I also think the donation amount should be $1 then server costs would be paid for a while :) $1 isn't much to pay for a game really. It would weed out the kids that shouldn't be playing anyway. If people did make multiple accounts, we could report them to Paypal and that would be the end of that.
Training would be too much work (even if it's possible) and right now 2.8.5 is impossible unless Jonny can continue ELiZ's work or ELiZ returns and fixes the bugs that were stopping him.
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I think the Paypal method would be by far easiest and quickest to ensure 1 account. I also think the donation amount should be $1 then server costs would be paid for a while :) $1 isn't much to pay for a game really. It would weed out the kids that shouldn't be playing anyway. If people did make multiple accounts, we could report them to Paypal and that would be the end of that.
True that, many kids will stop playing, but I'm scared we won't have any new players anymore. What I find extrordinary about this game is that it's so easy to download at start playing. I guess paying for it will change that. Let's see some feedback
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When people pre-order games for $80 and buy games on Steam sales for $10, asking $1 or less to keep this game alive (pay for server costs, not for our beer fund) isn't much.
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The situation is there are 30 players in-game. do I need to say any more? Making it more difficult to get into the game and start playing is a terrible idea and will only reduce the amount of activity.
As it is, beginners to this game are (and always have been) driven off because of the difficulty of playing against a server full of decent players. Instead of making it more difficult for newbies to enter this community (by using cards etc) you should be making it easier. The download and assist is very easy to use and that would be hard to improve. Servers dedicated to new players is an option that has always been looked into in the past, but it is too easy to exploit (and frag rate warriors will gravitate towards them) not to mention the fact fact that the servers that already exist are barely getting filled.
The admins could make more of a conscious effort to keep teams even skill wise, but that is a lot of effort and wouldn't work.
Basically, making it 1 account / 1 card will drive off the majority of already existing players and severely reduce the already small amount of new players. There is really not a lot that can be done at this stage.
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It would definitely cause a loss in the player base, there's no denying that. All it means is having better anti-cheat and easier to track accounts and their bans.
A mod that balances teams would be great too...
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how would it help fight hackers? there is technically an unlimited number of old accounts and usernames for them to steal. If anything it will make tracking them harder. I don't know why they haven't thought of it sooner..
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You can only have 1 paypal account. If we ban that then they're forced to sign up for another paypal account and donate again. Paypal only allows 1 account so if we find someone with 2 accounts then they could get blacklisted on paypal.
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Nice Post Ganja.
i would pay anything too keep this game alive.
Yes till now i dont spend money for assist, but i payed some money on daily and it goes down...
I cant see where the money goes here.
I dont want for example that spanky get my money if i pay something via paypal.
I say already one year, that i will give a prizemoney away for a cup!
you know what the problem is?
You need people on your side who have much connections to companies etc.
Anti Hack software would be the first step.
110 honor? biggest bullshit ever
you need other things for the pub gamers, like a special coin in a nickname if he already killed like 30k people.
something like that.
Maybe new Tracker?
The game live from pub players, more community, more sponsors more sponsors more money more money more cups and and forget the competive scene for now, start to make a new thing for the communtiy!
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I would quit if it was payable for acc, like most of the players. 20-50 around? Its terrible decision but who knows maybe its going to be alright for u guys and the rest.
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I dont want for example that spanky get my money if i pay something via paypal.
If you hung around here more you would know that I don't have access to donation money, the Assist server or the anti-cheat system. As always, no matter who has handled the donation money, it always goes to the Assist server cost. It's a dedicated server that costs a fair bit each month. None of the admins (including myself) have taken the money for themselves. Donations vary each month and any extra money is held in an account for when donations are less than the server cost.
You need people on your side who have much connections to companies etc.
Anti Hack software would be the first step.
The problem with that is that it's hard to find people with enough time to devote FOR FREE to write software for this old game for which we have no source code for. Everybody that's worked on it has done it for free and it's very time consuming. If you can find someone to code UScript or RealBasic and can detect cheats, by all means let us know.
110 honor? biggest bullshit ever
you need other things for the pub gamers, like a special coin in a nickname if he already killed like 30k people.
something like that.
I think the 110 honor was purely a test a long time ago to see if Homey could modify the database & info. It wasn't intended to draw in players or anything. Just something fun to see if it would work. In-game perks would be cool but again it comes around to a lack of UScript knowledge and time. It's an ancient code and the people that know a lot about it mostly work on other games like UT2004 where the AA functions/calls don't exist. Again, if you can find someone that would help, let us know.
Maybe new Tracker?
The game live from pub players, more community, more sponsors more sponsors more money more money more cups and and forget the competive scene for now, start to make a new thing for the communtiy!
A new tracker would be great (along with a new account system) and it is entirely possible. It would just take a lot of time and secure PHP coding to create. Not to mention the transition that would have to be made to make it easy for BT users to just sign right into Assist with the same info. We've tossed this idea around and it might happen to some extent but nothing is set in stone.
What else would you suggest for building the community? Cups and leagues have been tried in the past but nothing has been successful. I don't think it's from a lack of effort, I just don't think the playerbase will support it right now.
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Since there is really no way to bring back training to where it could be used a system like you all are speaking about with paypal is by far the simplest and most logical idea to try and track players and if you can afford a pc and internet every month, you can sure as hell cough up one dollar one time for this game.
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As it is, beginners to this game are (and always have been) driven off because of the difficulty of playing against a server full of decent players. Instead of making it more difficult for newbies to enter this community (by using cards etc) you should be making it easier. The download and assist is very easy to use and that would be hard to improve. Servers dedicated to new players is an option that has always been looked into in the past, but it is too easy to exploit (and frag rate warriors will gravitate towards them) not to mention the fact fact that the servers that already exist are barely getting filled.
Basically, making it 1 account / 1 card will drive off the majority of already existing players and severely reduce the already small amount of new players. There is really not a lot that can be done at this stage.
If everybody has only 1 account, nobody can create a noob account to become a fraghoe in noob servers. Special servers could be made for people between honor 10-25 or something, and some trustable admin who goes there to check if anybody cheats
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Point 1:
I have no Paypal account at all.
Point 2:
I (we) have only one credit card, how to register my wifes account under this circumstances.
Point 3:
Do you expect that anyone give away sensitive informations like credit card data?
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I would not want to be handling credit card data really. But how hard would it be to setup a paypal account?
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Paypal (or any other way to force more or less 1 account per person) is good idea for limiting cheating (I proposed it myself long time ago), but it would probably reduce the playerbase drastically.
If you hung around here more you would know that I don't have access to donation money, the Assist server or the anti-cheat system. As always, no matter who has handled the donation money, it always goes to the Assist server cost. It's a dedicated server that costs a fair bit each month. None of the admins (including myself) have taken the money for themselves. Donations vary each month and any extra money is held in an account for when donations are less than the server cost.
True. Even pit-23 mofo didn't touch a single cent when he had his dirty hands on it.
The problem with that is that it's hard to find people with enough time to devote FOR FREE to write software for this old game for which we have no source code for. Everybody that's worked on it has done it for free and it's very time consuming. If you can find someone to code UScript or RealBasic and can detect cheats, by all means let us know.
Tell Pos to contact Hertz, and apologize for shitty way he used to approach him in the past. If he's in good mood, you will get _decent_ AC in just 2-3 days. The chance is low (the guy has disappeared) but it's worth trying.
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I would not want to be handling credit card data really. But how hard would it be to setup a paypal account?
It's not that hard at all and you don't have to use credit card to set one up either. You can link it to your bank account.
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The fact is that when you need a paypal account to create a BT account, (some) new people won't start playing, even if it's 0.01 dollar.
Just because it takes time to make paypal and some younger folks probably may not even touch their bank accounts, because of their parents. I'd rather have a couple cheaters in the game then seeing how AA2 dies even more
My opinion.
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I would rather see the game shutdown rather than being raped by cheaters.
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I think pit-23 needs to stand up, grab his balls. Say sry that I was a trolling bob. Here is how I cheat, here is the way to fix all cheats for good. If he does it, I go to him a tell him on ts to his ears that he is a good person. (even though he hacked my account and so on)
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I was playing alot past few months and I have not meet any hackers.I think that u can stop solving this and try to fix the macros and gpu video tweaks the things Which give u very big unfair advantage and which are undetectable by anticheats and soooo many ppl use them...jonym try to use these macros shoot with single with superfast firerate or tweak gpu on HQ raid so u can se further...these r things which matter....because most of players who r considered good use them....these are the legal cheats..anyone after 5 mins on google can use them...want make aao even for all fix this.
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I was playing alot past few months and I have not meet any hackers.I think that u can stop solving this and try to fix the macros and gpu video tweaks the things Which give u very big unfair advantage and which are undetectable by anticheats and soooo many ppl use them...jonym try to use these macros shoot with single with superfast firerate or tweak gpu on HQ raid so u can se further...these r things which matter....because most of players who r considered good use them....these are the legal cheats..anyone after 5 mins on google can use them...want make aao even for all fix this.
PM it all to JonnyM and he will look into it, throwing words won't help.
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what about this:
- bind the computers mac address to the account(s)
- you can have 3 accounts binded to this mac
- make a page where you can unbind your account to this mac and bind it to another mac (read this automatically)
- you can only unbind and bind 3 times a year this way
so if someone do fake his mac, it doesn't matter anymore. only be sure you can handle the way someone would like to catch another real mac from already registered player. so once binded, only with good reason you can unbind, like a ban appeal.
I guess this is the most easiest way to have control about all that - maybe with a bit of work at the very beginning, but...
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I think your wrong about the paypal thing..
I don't use PayPal...
They should put the honor 150 or more in my opinion ;-)
Holy crap-o-la... people still care about Honor?