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Community => Games & Programming => Topic started by: Alex on Friday, July 30, 2010, 20:33:20 PM
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Remember when DICE promised that they were working on BF3 and that it will "blow us away"? Apparently they meant console owners. The limited edition of Medal of Honor is coming with a Battlefield 3 beta key, for PC, 360, and PS3. Well, looks like consoles got the best of DICE. I guess we won't see a true sequel to Battlefield 2. :'(
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/110/1109659p1.html (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/110/1109659p1.html)
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I'm lost. It says PC, PS3 and Xbox360 so, what's the problem?
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I'm lost. It says PC, PS3 and Xbox360 so, what's the problem?
Most people don't want this to turn out like Bad Company 2. BC2 is a very poorly optimized game full of console feature. Not to mention the game is running on the frostbite engine, which is a console engine. Everyone was expecting a PC exclusive game made specifically for PC that would be the best FPS of all time. A high standard set by the greatness that was battlefield 2. Unfortunately when they have to make a console version that can't even support half of the features the PC can, you have to wonder how it will work out. I sure as hell hope we don't have another Bad Company 2 situation here. While it is a good game, it is nowhere near the level BF2 was.
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I agree. But see the problem is and most people don't realize this is that we're in the transition from using multiple engines to make a game cross-platform. In that transition, things have to be worked on, it can't be perfect for every platform. The game is built then special things are done for each console. I doubt both the PS3 and Xbox360 versions are exact copies of each other. They just need to spend some more time on the PC side and they will when people complain. Consoles render games and have vastly different hardware than computers do and it's just going to take time to make all the hardware happy :)
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But if it wasn't for the success of the Battlefield series on PC, DICE would probably be bankrupt. The least they could do is make Battlefield 3 with an engine specifically designed for PC and then port it to consoles, not the other way around. They need to remember what made them a big company, PC gaming.
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lol thanks Skrewy. But while I agree to some extent, the engine is built and the content is added. They then build it (similar to rendering) for a platform. It's not that they make a game specifically for PS3 then modify the code for another platform, it's unisex until they build it, unless they do it really weird. The problem is that they do need to realize and focus on the PC build more.
Maybe I'm just blowing smoke out my ass though...
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Mans brings up a good point. People so dumb that can barely hook up A/V cables can play console games. There's plenty of those types :) For people to get the same quality out of computers, you have to either know how to build them or have a pretty high budget to buy a computer that will last as long and give you the same quality as consoles do. If you know how computers work and how to build them, you can get exponentially more enjoyment out of the same game as you would on a console.
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All the money is in the consoles though, why would they bother spending time on pc side of things?
Not exactly, because almost every single PC gamer would pick up an exclusive Battlefield 3, because almost every single PC gamer owns Battlefield 2. Console fans just want to play run n gun no skill shooters. MAG is the only game that tried to be like BF2 on consoles and it didn't do too well. This is as much of a stab in th back as MW2 was. With the no dedicated servers and what not.
The only way this can be saved in my opinion is if it comes out that they are making a completely separate game for PC with differed devs and a different engine. The frostbite engine runs like shit on PC judging by Bad Company 2. Make it like Battlefield 2 where they released a crappy version for consoles.
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[uninformed]I have a basic understanding of what you guys are saying but I would have never thought it out unprovoked. Just gonna throw that out there before I ask this:
I've heard nothing but negativity about BF:BC2 on the PC. I played the Beta on the PS3 (thanks Sniper... I think it was you), and I really enjoyed it. Could it be said/argued that - although I agree with PC superiority - the console versions for such games as BC2 are more critically acclaimed or better? Meh, I'll throw some tags on this post.[/uninformed]
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[uninformed]I have a basic understanding of what you guys are saying but I would have never thought it out unprovoked. Just gonna throw that out there before I ask this:
I've heard nothing but negativity about BF:BC2 on the PC. I played the Beta on the PS3 (thanks Sniper... I think it was you), and I really enjoyed it. Could it be said/argued that - although I agree with PC superiority - the console versions for such games as BC2 are more critically acclaimed or better? Meh, I'll throw some tags on this post.[/uninformed]
I own BC2 for PC and love it. It is a good game. But it is a console port and considered not a legit entry in the Battlefield series by most PC gamers., this is why- Battlefield is supposed to be about huge maps with a lot of players. BF 2 supported up to 64 players ,and if you get a mod you can go beyond that. But instead they gave us BC2 that has a 32 player max, no lean, no prone, terribly optimized for PC, and no mod tools. Battlefield 2 is one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. It has sold more than BC2 would ever dream of. Everyone expected battlefield 3 to be a PC exclusive designed to be the best FPS ever, instead we get this multiplatform shit.
Also, to throw this out there, the PC version of BC2 has sold more than the 360 and PS3 versions so it's not like the console versions are the only thing making them money.
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Okay, that's all news to me. I grew up on the 3 playstations and Nintendo consules/handhelds. AA was my first PC game and really the only one I've played so - in the most confusing way possible, sorry - although I can understand how a PC can be better than consules, it's hard for me to truly comprehend this superiority.
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That's lame. Bad Company isn't a continuation of the Battlefield series, it's more of a silly story. That's what it was from the beginning. It's not called Battlefield 3: Bad Company. It's a story with a multiplayer aspect attached. Why wouldn't EA and DICE go for multiplatform support when their engines can do it? Just because Bad Company was more of a story with smallish maps doesn't mean Battlefield 3 won't live up to the series expectations.
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That's lame. Bad Company isn't a continuation of the Battlefield series, it's more of a silly story. That's what it was from the beginning. It's not called Battlefield 3: Bad Company. It's a story with a multiplayer aspect attached. Why wouldn't EA and DICE go for multiplatform support when their engines can do it? Just because Bad Company was more of a story with smallish maps doesn't mean Battlefield 3 won't live up to the series expectations.
Show me the last console game that supported everything battlefield 2 supported? You can't. It can't be done on consoles. Jets, tanks, ACPs, helicopters, 64 players, huge maps. No console game can support all that along with decent looking graphics. You cannot make a true sequel to Battlefield 2 if it is also going to be on consoles. As for the part about their engines, the engine that runs BC2 is mediocre at best, how can we expect anything different this time around? BF3 uses the same engine as BC2, just an update.
That is unless they announce that the games for PS3 and 360 are going to be completely different from the PC version.
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Bad company used the Frostbite Engine. Battlefield 3 will use Frostbite 2, I doubt it's just an update. Also, that article said apparently it's coming for PS3 and XBOX. Is there any fully confirmed reports of that? Wikipedia says only Microsoft Windows as a platform.
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So basically you want a BF2 clone with better graphics? How is that fun? Other than the vehicles and mods BF2 is possibly the WORST shooter Ive ever played. The hit boxes and shooting mechanics are - for lack of a better term - broken, if I can sit there and get 3 straight head shots on some one with ANY GUN and not kill them, the game is flawed. If they made a game with a similar play style as BF2 with the shooting mechanics of say COD4, that game might be worth my time. And you do know that developers can optimize a game engine to run its best on each platform individually right?
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Knight, the game was made in 2005, I think it deserves some credit. It's not the hitboxes that make the game, Killaman is talking about 64 players with jets, helicopters and HUGE maps that take minutes to run across. There's been shots in BF2 that I've missed when it's a clear headshot. I suspect some kind of physics is taking place as well as server lag but the game as a whole is groundbreaking. People should expect that from BF3 just as I do but the difference is, I'm not worried about a "console port" which, IMO, isn't an accurate term for most of the games out there.
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No, when I can load up with a friend and have him stand 3 feet in front of me. Shoot him 3 times in the head with an M9 and he doesn't die. The game is broken. I agree the huge maps and vehicles are great and ground breaking. From a shooter point of view the game was udder shit.
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The game is broken.
the game was udder shit.
I don't know what to say. I guess broken games are hugely successful and popular.
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First, don't quote out of context. Second shooting mechanics are not proper. Unless they intended to make the shooter element of the game unrealistic while the rest of the game strives for realism (as much as can be had in a game as such as BF2) then the SHOOTING element of the game is broken. Look at AA which was released before BF2, yet the shooting mechanics are there. I can shoot some one with a gun and they die, simple thing to wish for in a shooter I know but BF2 lacks this. Its a GREAT game Ive stated that a few times, sans the shooting element of it, it is FUN. So many games fail to achieve the "fun factor" that BF2 achieved.
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So basically you want a BF2 clone with better graphics? How is that fun? Other than the vehicles and mods BF2 is possibly the WORST shooter Ive ever played. The hit boxes and shooting mechanics are - for lack of a better term - broken, if I can sit there and get 3 straight head shots on some one with ANY GUN and not kill them, the game is flawed. If they made a game with a similar play style as BF2 with the shooting mechanics of say COD4, that game might be worth my time. And you do know that developers can optimize a game engine to run its best on each platform individually right?
No. I want a game that won't be held back by a shitty game console. That is all I want. if it is possibly the worst shooter you have ever played, you have not play many shooters.
yes, they can optimize it, but will they? They didn't do a good job with BC2.
@spanky, EA announced that there will be a beta key included in every version of Medal of Honor limited addition.
I just hope they announce that the PC version will be different.
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Mind you these are only the ones I remember.
Shooters Ive played
Every MOH game excluding the newst one
Every COD game ever made (Including console)
AA 2.3- AA 3
Every Battlefield game including BC and BC2
Every STALKER game
Frontlines Fuel of war
All counter strike games
L4D
Every UT game (<3 2k4)
Crossfire
ARMA
Combat Arms
AVA
Rainbow Six Vegas 1/2
WarRock
FEAR 1/2
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@spanky, EA announced that there will be a beta key included in every version of Medal of Honor limited addition.
Beta key for what? The PC version? So far there's nowhere that says that Battlefield 3 will come out for PS3 and XBOX. Wikipedia is pretty up-to-date on these things and it doesn't mention it.
They'll use a newer version of the engine and they hopefully learned a lot from BC & BC2 (Which is probably one of the reasons why they made those games, since it's been so long since BF2, to test the waters and making a game on consoles and PC. The more I think of this aspect, the more brilliant it seems. While gamers are bitching about either BC or BC2, EA and DICE are raking in all that information and feedback to make BF3 a multiplatform game that will do what BF2 did for PC gamers.) that it will be great.
Knight, it's funny that you seemingly don't continue to play any of those. *EDIT* Knight, fuck you for making me make an ass of myself. I just looked over at X-Fire and you're playing Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2.
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@spanky, EA announced that there will be a beta key included in every version of Medal of Honor limited addition.
Beta key for what? The PC version? So far there's nowhere that says that Battlefield 3 will come out for PS3 and XBOX. Wikipedia is pretty up-to-date on these things and it doesn't mention it.
They'll use a newer version of the engine and they hopefully learned a lot from BC & BC2 (Which is probably one of the reasons why they made those games, since it's been so long since BF2, to test the waters and making a game on consoles and PC. The more I think of this aspect, the more brilliant it seems. While gamers are bitching about either BC or BC2, EA and DICE are raking in all that information and feedback to make BF3 a multiplatform game that will do what BF2 did for PC gamers.) that it will be great.
Knight, it's funny that you seemingly don't continue to play any of those. *EDIT* Knight, fuck you for making me make an ass of myself. I just looked over at X-Fire and you're playing Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2.
There's no way. Why would they give beta keys to people who buy the console version? Most console gamers do not have a PC capable of playing recent games. That would be a giant waste of keys. it also says that for Xbox you need a live gold membership to participate in the beta. So it's pretty for sure. I'll say it again, there has never been a game with the same scale as BF2 on consoles and it seems impossible It also has to have good graphics or people will bitch about them. It could possibly be a good game (BC2 is) but it won't live up to Battlefield 2.
by the way, if everyone was mistaken, wouldn't EA have corrected them by now? every major gaming news source is saying this.
EDIT: @ Kinight, I didn't know you played the STALKER games. :0
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UPDATE: Battlefield 3 is leaving DX9 behind. That's right, Battlefield 3 will only support DX10 and DX11. Sorry XP owners. This is somewhat good news for PC gamers since consoles can only do DX9, there is a hope that Battlefield 3 will be built differently for the PC. It is also a sign that the requirements might be pretty high, as if Bad Company 2's weren't already.
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While I detest XP, I like DirectX 9. Why? SoftTH uses it. I just today got my 3rd monitor setup and this news is a kick in the pants.
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At some stage technology has to move forward...
They could have easily supported DX9 while still supporting DX10 and 11. A ton of games do it.
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DirectX 9 was released in 2002, that is an 8 year old technology. It has to be phased out eventually.
It shouldn't be phased out when people are still using it though. people with XP can't go above DX9.
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I is lost!
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I is lost!
direct X is graphics technology that PC games use to produce their graphics. Microsoft makes it so it is only on Pc, this is one of the main reasons macs do not get every games PCs get. As you can guess, DirectX 9 is what games have been using for a long time. But Microsoft has recently brought out DirectX 10 and DirectX 11 that are capable of doing many more things and have a ton of better features. The only problem is that games using DirectX 10 usually have high system requirements. DirectX 11 is only supported by ATI's 5xxx series and Nvidia's GTX 4xx series. I hope this helped. :-\
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The last directx 9 update was in February 2010. So directx 9 isn't exactly old. Honestly the only difference between DX9 and the newer versions is pixel shader calculation. And fuck tessellation in DX11, that is definitely not new. If you say it's new, you need to stop reading e-news sites and formulate your own opinions.
It's either devs are lazy and don't want to run a script to change a few lines of code or the guy in the big tie is a big jew and is forcing people to ride Microsoft's chain on their behalf.
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the guy in the big tie is a big jew and is forcing people to ride Microsoft's chain on their behalf.
You're making me horny.