Why do you try to change the original maps and the one that is being played the most in perticular? AA is a classic and it should stay the way it always was.Because if nothing is done, AA2 player base will be gone in a few months.
And you honestly think that removing 203's on Hospital will get more people to install America's Army?More people or not removing it will make the scenario a little more realistic anyway. More than likely a soldier would end up in the brig or stockade if they went rushing into a hospital spamming 203 grenades into the unknown.
I think we should use the weapon like they made it for the original version. But its only my opinion.Then you are of the opinion that we shouldn't try to fix the roof bug?
Then you are of the opinion that we shouldn't try to fix the roof bug?
Then you are of the opinion that we shouldn't try to fix the roof bug?
Correct.Can you share your reasoning?
You mess with weapon slots to solve the roof bug problem you create problems in other areas.I just presented an example of an issue on the map that could be solved by changing something in the map.
Nope, I just presented an example of an issue on the map that could be solved by changing something in the map.
The two(203 and roof bug) has nothing to do with another.
I just presented an example of an issue on the map that could be solved by changing something in the map.Your response was to someone whos opinion was that we should use the 'weapons' as they were intended for was it not?
The two(203 and roof bug) has nothing to do with another.
Good job Eliz, don't listen to most cry babies, big deal.... that 203 shouldn't even be there at first place, no more nading no more whore fragging.
Go on turn the thread into an endless abuse thread why dont ya,
You are one example of new breed player lacking the capacity to learn how to use 203.
If you dont like 203...2 clicks and your back on pipeline son, simple.
You talk as if there was any skills required to use 203's ... Even 10 honor guys walk around with 203 on and get kills, because that's why people play hospital, cheap kills. The one's crying are the ones that played the map over 5000 hours and need that 203 to feel safe.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's only a week test, you're not gonna die cauz of it ;)
The only ones that are crying are the ones that need 203 to feel safe lol? for real?
You can put me into that bracket then but i can assure you i dont need it to feel safe im the 5000+ hour player yesterday challenging you to make another video but beating 6 pistol whippings in 1 round this time, im the mug that runs around with the vip with pistol knowing im gonna get it but couldn't care less, i dont think you could be further from the truth but you know that ganja, you know that because you spend 90% of your game time rushing, the 203 is your worst nightmare and getting rid of it makes your day, pull the other one.
the only way to live this game up again, is to get the veterans out of their comfort zone and make it easier and challenging for new ppl, so they stay with the game. but it might already be to late for changes...
because most of nowadays players are exactly these routine/comfort zone ones, which get rapidly aggressive, if u take them out of there :P
Im off to find a nice spot, let the fun begin.
And you honestly think that removing 203's on Hospital will get more people to install America's Army?
Go on turn the thread into an endless abuse thread why dont ya,
You are one example of new breed player lacking the capacity to learn how to use 203.
If you dont like 203...2 clicks and your back on pipeline son, simple.
It's really stupid from you to say that...
If you think I am a new player, you are absolutely wrong, I been in this community more than you ever be. I think judging me without seeing me having that 203 turned on is stupid, you haven't seen me yet kicking everyone asses with that 203 nor you have seen me with C18. I know how to use it, I like pwning asses when I am on ambush, nading hospital rushers so its easier for ambush to take over the hospital.
The fact that 203 shouldn't be on this map is plane simple. I repeated quite a few times now and should be simple. If you want original map, then change C18 also class to m6 rifle. Then you feel how to play in hardcore mode. You all should stop fucking playing for points and k/d ratio because its fucking ridiculous to see something like this in this game. If you want to achieve something, go play COD. Yes rpg used to be in hospital, used to be fun but thats freaking different from 203. With rpg you used to tk a lot using backblast and don't tell me about it, rpg is also more powerful that 203. It was used t be fun but since the game moves on, maps like hospital should move too.
Yet you still find a way to bitch about changes. Yes lets just see how this game dies, lets leave everything as it is. Yeh lets play as we played all the time. I am fucking interesting how you guys not bored of hospital.
I have to agree with rmcdzk, it's too late to bring more players, the only way you can do Eliz is make it as fun as possible, remove that dirty map, would be the happiest man. All you guys can do is complain, go try code and shit and see what happens from the guys like you.
SF hospital, the map with quickest points to earn, to get good k/d ratio, to run with 203 in your hands to look where to blow (including inside hospital), to use ''bugs'' on both buildings, fuck this map has a lot of good points why people play it.
How many times do we see players ingame bitching about getting blown by 203?
I dont think ive seen one complaint ingame in months and the last time was someone asking ppl not to spam nade
Then you are of the opinion that we shouldn't try to fix the roof bug?
Can you share your reasoning?
Endy, fingerpointing etc. will not add any value in a discussion. If you talk about me
I tell ya what, endy and myself have had ample run ins ingame and out in previous months but i cannot deny his proposal is the best i have seen yet,
Put a server up without 203's and allow players/clans to have original load out if they so please, that would indeed keep everyone happy.
It doesn't take a politician to know that even if and when you put this to a vote there are going to be far more players voting to rid of 203, players that love the other maps and poor players that lack the common sense to learn/avoid 203's outnumber the 30/40 or so regular hosp players that prefer it to stay as it is.
Sf hosp has always been the most popular map for a reason, if it aint broken dont fix it, if you insist on making changes instead of taking something out put something in!, take emphasis away from getting good frag rates, kill tracker, give us all thermites, give us all rpg's, alternate the weapons round by round automatically, i could go on forever lol!
Great proposal endy anyway that was the best i have seen yet.
hospi and no 203 is same like urban and no nades....
a full urban server in first 10 sec mutch kills by spam nades.but guys how know good this map,dont die mutch times bcs he know what he have to do.
You do realize that nades can't be thrown from spawn to spawn right?
How many times do we see players ingame bitching about getting blown by 203?Great point. I haven't seen anyone complain about 203's on Hospital for a very long time.
I dont think ive seen one complaint ingame in months and the last time was someone asking ppl not to spam nade, no problem with them having it just not spamming it!
and do you honestly think that leaving things as they are now will get more? Do you honestly believe that new players which face hardcore main pump room camping and hardcore acog4x gameplay at hospital will stay with aao25? I fcking doubt that.To answer your questions: No, and No. AA is facing a slow death. AA is too hard and too old for new players. The rest of your post was just you crying about how you are unable to play hospital and that all players should play "your" maps. Unrelevant to the issue at hand, so I am not bothered to reply.
You do realize that nades can't be thrown from spawn to spawn right?Same like Hospital. You also can't 203 from spawn to spawn. Or what were you implying.
If it is, hell dont do things by half make pyrotechnics a things of the past go the whole hog and rip the shit out of every map in the game, get your banners out no more explosives no more flashbangs get rid of the smokes and hell take the weapons too and rename the game sim city!Hahaha, awesome. :D :up: We are heading that direction. Next stop: Urban with no nades and flashes, and no AR. McKenna also no AR and no nades. And Insurgent camp, no 203's, cause its unrealistic spamming 203's into windows. I mean pfff, who spams windows, that not realistic. :D
You can't get 2,3 kills at the start when nading now do you? :)Ehm, I can get plenty of kills without 203's. lol.
Lets keep it original, it was supposed to be without 203 anyway.
How is this relevant to the issue of 203's on hospital?:? So many still playing for their fragrate. :P :D
This is the biggest jokes I hear from these cry babes.
They proved their point, they want to play as they always played before and let the game die slow without trying anything. Kari I know you are upset m8, no more nading with that 203 no more fragging :) Just get over it and stop moaning. These guys like you and jammax who used to the same tactics with 203 will want it to stay :) You can't get 2,3 kills at the start when nading now do you? :) is this upsetting you?
Lets keep it original, it was supposed to be without 203 anyway.
What are you guys crying about by the way?
I mean they're not gonna give the 203 back before the end of the test week anyway, and after that there will be a vote to see what people think. We know you can get a kill without 203, anyone camping in a corner with a big scope can.
Hate to correct you Ganja, but the plan is to restore the map after the week is up, and then have a vote for a week or two. Then the vote decides what version will be used from that point forward.
Well yeah that's what I meant :D We can't let this map be without 203 for more than 1 week, can you imagine how many hospital heroes would uninstall?Sorry, I misread.
I played SF Csar and we need to remove the RPG. Everyone should have only m16. Go Go. Change it so all the oldschool pro's are happy :D From now on I will be only trolling like the popular kids here :D
Your middle name is trolling. You have stupid comments every time on every server. So you are the one to speak. Muahahaha.
How is this relevant to the issue of 203's on hospital?
yeahh if you really need to spam do it short
no 1 realy reading you fucking esseys
The old players I know, those that went from being new-comers to full-fledged competitive players [regardless of whether or not they were active within the competitive scene] would love the thrill of being confronted with newness, the ability to truly have their brains exceed in choice-making. It is important we don't forget --consciously-- that this is what kept AA alive over the years. It wasn't SF Hospital, Bridge, Urban or Pipeline. It was the fact that you had more people defying habits, you had more people re-routing their tactical approach to a certain map...and that made you think more, made you calculate more, made you interact more. That's the beauty in it all.
No other FPS that I've played ever offered me such a profound tactical element as AA has. I am of the opinion our efforts, as a community, should be precisely akin to the revival of the thrill in AA mores than the infamous yet understandable desire to keep AA as it was although the aforementioned is nearly impossible. Things have changed, times have changed, we should too.
I'm....Wow. I'm impressed, and honestly glad you've taken this action. And to everyone who cries about this, if you can't handle playing hospital without the 203 you're terrible and should uninstall the game at a moments notice. Haven't really read all the comments as I'm in a hurry but I can see no negative about this other than that people might camp a little more at first, which is a win-win for players like me who likes hunting down campers. This will only be good for the community though, so kudos to the admins for listening to reason. And to HT, and every other hospital one hit wonder clan; I have been waiting to tell you this for SUCH a long time IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, PLAY SOMETHING ELSE
Couldn't agree more.
Downside about this is, when the vote comes, it will go back to the way it was. People wants their easy kills, they want their comfort style like the way it always was. They'd rather stop playing the map than having it changed in such a HUUUUGE manner. Like I said before, you cannot listen to this community when it comes to what's best for Assist as a game, period. This community is retarded, mark my words.
No one forced you to read. Plus, it isn't spam. It's a contribution, just like others have done before, to the subject at hand. Whether people put the effort to read it or not is a different concern. I'd rather they would but they might not.
On the other hand though, you've just posted seven times on a row.
"One hit wonder clan". Thats funny, cause you lost every single time you played vs HT :D Arsch or whatever you name is :D Oldschool pro.
Remove all the weapons, I dont care. But it should be on the server admin to decide how the map should be played. With or without 203's. Right Bart? Beta tester for the White house :D
Ah i love this rule.Muahahaha, says Ravv who is hiding in garage on Hospital. Didnt you ragequit last time when we played "your" weapons cache against each other, after you were down 1:5 on defense? :D NO MAP NAB...
Poor HT....whatsyagonna do now?
one map nabs...
Muahahaha, says Ravv who is hiding in garage on Hospital. Didnt you ragequit last time when we played "your" weapons cache against each other, after you were down 1:5 on defense? :D NO MAP NAB...
Next step to maximize the map is as follows:
Swap vip for briefcase / 100% health on vip, and 2 extra clips.
Shut down west wing roof, fire escape and 3rd floor escort building. This takes away the campers who does nothing but sit on their ass. As a result of removing these places you can put in an extra 18c for the SPR spot, no sniper is ever needed in hospital anymore and everyone's happy! Thank me later.
Haha dude don't get so excited :D You do realize that a 100% health vip, could be at underpass before you even get there on ambush. Plus if there's no 203 to spam him while he rushes + if you want to delete the roof, there's little chance to kill the vip ... All escort will have to do is smoke underpass and flash outside ambush approach and it' over ^^
And tbh I don't really care about roof/esc building campers. Sure they are always the same people, and sur they're pussies, but they often fight eachother anyway. Roofbuggers crying about escort building buggers and esc. b buggers crying about roofbuggers ..
Haha dude don't get so excited :D You do realize that a 100% health vip, could be at underpass before you even get there on ambush. Plus if there's no 203 to spam him while he rushes + if you want to delete the roof, there's little chance to kill the vip ... All escort will have to do is smoke underpass and flash outside ambush approach and it' over ^^Right, didn't think about the distance covered by the vip when green. I still think breifcase is a better idea though. Like on ESL dusk where the vip starts with the breifcase on him, when/if he dies another guy can just pick it up.
And tbh I don't really care about roof/esc building campers. Sure they are always the same people, and sur they're pussies, but they often fight eachother anyway. Roofbuggers crying about escort building buggers and esc. b buggers crying about roofbuggers ..
Right, didn't think about the distance covered by the vip when green. I still think breifcase is a better idea though. Like on ESL dusk where the vip starts with the breifcase on him, when/if he dies another guy can just pick it up.
Right, didn't think about the distance covered by the vip when green. I still think breifcase is a better idea though. Like on ESL dusk where the vip starts with the breifcase on him, when/if he dies another guy can just pick it up.I still think it would be too much escort favoured in that way.
Vilkas,
Despite your dark history on this forum and the fact i should know better than to get sucked into your handbags matches there is something about you, maybe your little personal 'stupid' prods or something that suck me into wanting your head on my front gate post :banned:
Instead of trolling my arse off everywhere and anywhere you see me post take the initiative to come up with something of your own, use your imagination...stupid.
Im looking for mute function right now believe me.
Agree with previous poster making the vip green is a no go that would just sway things way too far in favour of escort, same thing with the weapon tbh that's where teamwork comes in, get him a gun.
Despite you ''know everything around here'' you should shut up.
You haven't been on this forum for long enough to tell me that im trolling, im being serious, i know this community very well and plz, don't start bitching now :)
He's been here for more than a year and a half. Plenty of time to see what you're up to.
I been more :))
so?
You do realize that a 100% health vip, could be at underpass before you even get there on ambush.
so?
so you think you have than more rights? or what you wanna say
We can fix the roof bug and camping spots. Help us improve the map and change the stale 10 year old gameplay.
I think the greatest feature and hinderance of Assist has been that the gameplay hasn't changed.
I feel like a lot of people have come back to find that everything's the same, the game they enjoyed is alive. Then there's people that come back and find the same thing but with a negative twist; it's stale, boring and predictable. Now that training is gone, I think that stale gameplay and map whores are the greatest threat to this project's success and growth. I've said many times, we should go through each and every one of the maps and refine them. Fix problems, move things around, eliminate glitches, add player slots and more. A lot of the official maps are fantastically built so the core wouldn't change but the tactics would.
Course, this is just my opinion, I'm a bitter admin whose out of touch with the playerbase and game. A lot of people will hate and rage for thinking this way but I ask this; do you have a better idea?
For me playing without 203 is better . Ambush do more then with 203 and its good becasue to many times escort won . But in my opinion change gameplay for example close roof or change spots ruin this map . Disable 203 but nothing more
and also get rid of battletracker so people like u stop playing for stupid frag rate on a 10 year old game
just saying enjoy the dam game stop worrying about stupid frag rate
when all of you idiots (both admins + players) will understand one fact:
adding new contents to game is _not_ bad
what _is_ bad is forcing it down the throats of every player
In my opinion, I think he need not move the existing maps in AA2, would create new maps ...
Based on old maps, For Example .. Why not create a new SFHospital? Could create some new maps ...
To cheer the crowd and give a hectic in AA2
All I remember is, it had a chopper on the helipad where you had to extract. Plus the civilians were moving (which was bugged as hell).Correct, it was buggy, and not really needed.
sadly true. People won't even do objectives anymore. I've seen VIP's just hiding in a corner for entire rounds in order to save their fragrate. But on the other hand without tracker, a lot of people would just quit (whoever only the unworthy players would)
Both of you fail to understand that if new maps are added and the old ones are untouched, nobody plays the new maps. There's plenty great mAAp maps and even official 2.8.5 maps. Nobody plays them because it's not SF Hospital or Pipeline or Bridge.
but i am against all changes that takes this wonderful game away from its original taste. that's it. so simple.
and i need a challange - and therefore i want to be tracked. also so easy. not as a fragwhore, just as a plaisure.
I don't get it. Only relative and reasonable statistic are kills and deaths per hour. Any other statistics are not worth a damn, can be easily faked and are not comparable at all with other players stats.
I been more :))
It's obviously clear we have people that do not want 203 and people that do.Wouldn't that splinter the community more?
Simple solution: Add a feature to enable/disable 203 on hospital so both sides are happy.
the people that want to play with 203 can play on a server and the people that do not can also play on a server.
It isn't rocket science.
Wouldn't that splinter the community more?
5 on one hospital server and 5 on another?
WICKID why u talk about me ? iam in from 02.2004 with one break in AA2. I have my tactic and play oposite then rushers. No FUN for me be rusher. I DO objective when i see that my team is normal...good vip and a coupe nice guys who can cover vip. without this for me covering vip is for noting and play what i want. Its not nice when always i hear camper, noob, b.itch, lame, ect ...if we play for fun give to all players play what they want. I want like this and its not for my BT stats...I played like this 10years ago and now without reason.
Stop lieing to yourself man, when you're hiding Supply Stairs for an entire round you ain't covering vip at all, you're protecting your fragrate like SOOOO many other Escort heroes. I could name them one by one, and name their hiding spots and sh!t, cauz they always do the same.
After a litle bit of reflexion I realize that SF Hospital isn't really worth saving/changing.
The people that play it, play it either
- for easy kills, easy fragrate
- because they play it for 8000 hours already and don't want to get out of their comfort zone
whatever option it is, they will only cry if you change their homemap (which i understand a bit, only a bit)
Both of you fail to understand that if new maps are added and the old ones are untouched, nobody plays the new maps. There's plenty great mAAp maps and even official 2.8.5 maps. Nobody plays them because it's not SF Hospital or Pipeline or Bridge. You HAVE to force players to change, they don't do it willingly. The only way to force is by changing the maps that they DO play. I'm disappointed that you don't understand that Pit.
Sorry to burst your bubble vilkas but i was posting on original aa website and tracker when you were in primary school hahahaha
It's obviously clear we have people that do not want 203 and people that do.
Simple solution: Add a feature to enable/disable 203 on hospital so both sides are happy.
the people that want to play with 203 can play on a server and the people that do not can also play on a server.
It isn't rocket science.
Wouldn't that splinter the community more?
5 on one hospital server and 5 on another?
Yeeees. Everyone is Fragwhore, Camper, Escort Hero, X-Fi warrior, Ghoster, Only for tracker player, Roofbuggers, "Fuk server admins they ruin the game enough already", "Camping in corner with big scope." - But then again I am from the original watnc clan, I can say sh*t like that.
Im allready curious now how the final voting will be :D
It's funny you say that Kari, but that's exactly it. When you are a fragwhore, you play for your tracker. You need a good X-Fi to hear everyone while you don't lift a finger and camp your ass of for the entire round. You'll ofcourse go Escort like all the fellow fragwhores. Guess you had difficulties to epress yourself with sentences, but your structure was not bad
Well not really ... It's asking the players: do you want to continue doing the same shit you did for 8000 hours or not? Maybe they'll say NO ... not
f.e. a sidechange after some rounds etc.
change is needed and forcing also.As Ganja said, this has also been discussed before.
to mix things up a bit, consider also changes outside of maps. f.e. a sidechange after some rounds etc.
sorry but you both are total noobs comparing to me pro
What you bragging on about Vilkas?Saying that ur opinion on adding this kind of stuff in admin panel to set their sever the way they want is so lame. Thats what i said if you read me
If you serious would read my comments then you would see i'm coming up with input.
I don't need 203 to whoop people their ass.
It's like you are trying to shout the loudest to get your voice heard.
/Ignoremode
sorry but you both are total noobs comparing to me pro
So, you say teamwork has improved and various other roles than 18C became more viable, but it's a no?
Can you elaborate to me why exactly? Just the feeling of how it was being good, or more because it is classic, or because you think with is better for gameplay purposes?
Sorry to finger point but ares...he is one in favour of this rid of 203, he was playing yesterday, he whined from the moment he joined the map to the moment he left, and still struggled for kills, thats not anything personal on you ares i have no beef with you but its true lol.It surely wasnt because of the lack of his skill. He is the local pro and the rest are all noobs. It was because he got tired of my political questions for sure :D
So, you say teamwork has improved and various other roles than 18C became more viable, but it's a no?WTF? I am awake or am I sleeping already? Did Bart just ask a question and he was not giving answers? Because he has an aswer to EVERYTHING. EEEEVERYTHING. Obama's personal consultant, because what the hell, he is beta-tester!
Can you elaborate to me why exactly? Just the feeling of how it was being good, or more because it is classic, or because you think with is better for gameplay purposes?
Pit, [...]
Write some posts that have some weight unlike 90% of the people that have posted in this thread that are just whining and raging on each other.
Is he pit23 from chickens farm?
Is he pit23 from chickens farm?Yep.
I also didn't say anything about democracy, especially nothing about my stance/feelings towards it.
The thing is, while we do ask the community for their opinion with polls, there are many decisions that are made without community input. There are circumstances where community input is a good thing to have but you don't always have to let it rule the decision. You use the information gathered to make an informed decision about what you are trying to accomplish.
No matter what you try to do, people will always complain. [...]
I always struggle on hospital, especially on igc with my 130 ping, although the biggest hassle for me is that i Cant play hospital like everyone else does, sittning still and zooming. I dont give a shit what Gun i have, i always rush.
no no no, stop lying. your pro coder ELIZ told "we do vote and then implement it".There's plenty of things that he/we implement without voting. The whole 203 issue greatly affects the community but we didn't even vote on it, it was just done and now we're seeing the real world effects of it and letting users express how they feel about it. Nothing is a solid yes or no right now.
ofc but when your trying is "lets remove 203 from hosp, ppl will be happy and ASSIST.EXE will go to GLORY"
than i say "PASS, idiots"
got it?
It surely wasnt because of the lack of his skill. He is the local pro and the rest are all noobs. It was because he got tired of my political questions for sure :DSince when do you have such a big mouth?
WTF? I am awake or am I sleeping already? Did Bart just ask a question and he was not giving answers? Because he has an aswer to EVERYTHING. EEEEVERYTHING. Obama's personal consultant, because what the hell, he is beta-tester!
Ares I am confused now. First you say I am a multiculti b*tch. Now I am a racist b*tch. So which bitch am I? :DHalf the server started dropping the 'n' word when he pulled the race card on you, he's blaming his ppp (piss poor performance) on his ping lololol and openly admits he rushes regardless of his weapon in the same breath, thats so not pro lol.
Ares I am confused now. First you say I am a multiculti b*tch. Now I am a racist b*tch. So which bitch am I? :DYour lack of english knowledge screws you. What i said was, "do you disagree with Swedens multicultural view on society?" how you even manage to mix things up just shows that you should never discuss anything ever again. This has nothing to do with the topic so we'll just stop here.
Your lack of english knowledge screws you. What i said was, "do you disagree with Swedens multicultural view on society?" how you even manage to mix things up just shows that you should never discuss anything ever again. This has nothing to do with the topic so we'll just stop here.
And jammax wow. I could explain it to you, but ill just show u the next time we play instead, ill show u how easy it is to Hunt kills on hosp by playing like people do.
I know exactly what you meant ares and it has always been there on both teams, you were complaining about escort doing it yesterday and at that very time over half your team (ambush) were doing the exact same thing lol.Key here is that i only do this on hospital since there's no reason to play tactical, you speak about public like it actually shows who is a good player. Come play a normal map against me, or even better, a 4v4. Hospital does not reflect any players skill level because of how contaminated it is with tactical players who value their own stats over the team.
Bottom line is you are complaining about campers as most one dimensional players do, you take a look at all the better players over the years and you will notice something very relevant, they have the ability to know when is best to rush, when is best to camp, they have the ability to be able to read the game, their opposition and what they need to do to give their team the best chance of winning.
You said yourself you rush all the time, that tells me 50% of the time im gonna hammer you and the other 50% is a crap shoot but either way i get the lions share because you fail to recognize when you should change your technique :)
Your lack of english knowledge screws you. You should never discuss anything ever againYes thats exactly what screws me, my lack of english knowledge. Not everyone can be so educated like you. So what that I never went to high school and didnt graduate. I am happy with sweeping the floor at a food court. So what that I don't have any friends and family. I have you guys. I love you all :up:
Key here is that i only do this on hospital since there's no reason to play tactical, you speak about public like it actually shows who is a good player. Come play a normal map against me, or even better, a 4v4. Hospital does not reflect any players skill level because of how contaminated it is with tactical players who value their own stats over the team.
LOL DUDE =IGC=-=W!CK!D, feel powerful now don't you :D Big server admin. uuuuuh, I am scared :D Please Mr.Admin, dont mute me :D They gave you playeradmin status last week and now you have a big mouth.
Ares your contradicting yourself in the same breath right there lol,Cant belive im actually gonna respond to this.
There's no need to play tactical yet you see the map as contaminated with tactical players (Kicking your arse).
If the map is made for idiots and no tactics are needed howcome you suck so badly at it?
I dont see myself as a top hospital player, i used to be many many moons ago but now im very mediocre yet i guarantee from what i have seen from you i could go and put in 100 hours on any map of your choice and i guarantee after that period i would hand you your arse back on a plate just as regularly :)
Cant belive im actually gonna respond to this.
You fail to see the irony in which i write that people play tactical. Hence you strike at what you see as contradicting when in fact you just misunderstood or simply didn't understand what i meant.
Ill tell you what, ill get me something else than my 4g wireless internet and we'll see about the ass handing buissness. Since you brought it up, im confident that if i actually try, put in an effort, turn of my music i will make you wanna quit this game. This is what you failed to see when i wrote "i just rush" i do not even want to play hospital, there's no fun in it for me. The map is horrible and there is still no skill involved im SF maps if you compare it with tunnel, riverbasin, Mountain pass, wcse and any other map where the objectjce is anything but a red vip who usually Cant find his own ass with both his hands.
So jammax, if you're up for it I'd be glad to hand you your ass on any map of your choosing. Just pm me when you think you gathered them somewhat 100 hours on the map you pick. You Base your statement on hospital game play, which is Why i respond in the manner i do.
Im laughing too hard at this to take it seriously, we're moving onto your connection now what next dodgy mouse?Wow.
If you would apply a very small percentage of this so called skill you have to the hospital map regardless of your connection or your dodgy mouse you would do alot better than you do in hospital, if your theory were true and you think you have the ability to make anyone quit the game you should be awesome at hospital should you not?
Mountain pass lmao are you trying to bore me out the game?
Im starting to see what we get with you now, alot of bark but no bite, can anyone testify to these unseen skills ares has on every other map?
Funny guy.
o no I better watch out then when I return. Then again I have so many accounts it will make ur head spin....What makes you think I want to ban you? I don't. ELE. Everybody Love Everybody.
least I know u wont and can't ban me by ip or mac or hardware lol
Mountain pass lmao are you trying to bore me out the game?Actually it's way more fun than hospital if you understand its gameplay. If you think it's all about proning and hiding your ass than you are in 99% of community and you shouldn't feel proud about it.
Im starting to see what we get with you now, alot of bark but no bite, can anyone testify to these unseen skills ares has on every other map?I've played with or against Ares and his team many times. I've won and I've lost and imho all he says is true.
Funny guy.
Actually it's way more fun than hospital if you understand its gameplay. If you think it's all about proning and hiding your ass than you are in 99% of community and you shouldn't feel proud about it.Personally, I agree with rmcdzk, Mountain pass is a great map, and it's not only about proning. Same for many other long distance rifle maps, they are underrated because people don't take the time to understand it, most rather play with guns with easy scopes, in the past the sf mods and people preferring pipe sf >pipe says it all.
I've played with or against Ares and his team many times. I've won and I've lost and imho all he says is true.
Personally, I agree with rmcdzk, Mountain pass is a great map, and it's not only about proning. Same for many other long distance rifle maps, they are underrated because people don't take the time to understand it, most rather play with guns with easy scopes, in the past the sf mods and people preferring pipe sf >pipe says it all.
Jammax enough of your '' i am smarter than anybody'' it feels like you want to show how strong you are in your statements, lmao fail kid. If i was you I would leave this community.
Bart: didn't you know? Most of users here have 2 faces, its just a question of time when it comes out on the plate.
Ares: Jammax is one map (hospital whore) i bet you can rape his arse, he thinks his so hard, omg, makes me laugh, glad i bought more popcorn to read this discussion.
Wicked just ban his arse when u back in game, some ht toughers need to learn lesson lol and you can play on their server with ur different account lol. (jk) :D
Jammax its not only you who received message, i got from that noob who is banned I guess with a very ''mature;; text lol
I want to see 203 removing winning this vote then guys like kari and jammax will disappear from hospital map :) ps. and when 203 frag whores come and cry on forum when that happens i would just laugh at them so hard
if there is no 203 anymore, then i hope there are minimum handnades. thats a option against some campers....Yes, remove the flashes. And what the heck, remove the weapons also. Sim city, here we come.
Yes, remove the flashes. And what the heck, remove the weapons also. Sim city, here we come.
Why not remove buildings too? lets make it an open battlefield with wooden sticks :DD nob
Jammax i had enough of ur little shit games here, leave the fucking community and idc about my history, if u talking about my past you giving the attention I need lmao kid grow up, get some discussion going on than saying i can bat ur ass at the map, go argue with everybody else, see how far u go here. KIDS
You've been trolling my arse for weeks, every time i make a post you come along and make an argument out of it, you repeat the same crap about hospital players time and time again and give no worthy input at all, ive been told ''he's young'' ''he gets carried away'' ''he's an attention seeking brat'' ''just ignore him everyone knows he's full of s##t'' but you keep jumping on my d''k for some reason so lets put it to bed now, either get off my back like a good little internet troll or do something about it comprehende? but end it here i wish to have nothing to do with you i have no interest in you or anything you say or do and im sure you are able to do the same, stop f######g trolling!.
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Ahhh now the trash is taken out i have to remove my previous opinion that teamwork within escort has improved, i guess it was just a good day with people making the effort the last i posted, things are going back to normal now the novelty has worn off.
Still a no from me .....lol.
if there is no 203 anymore, then i hope there are minimum handnades. thats a optiron against some campers....
jammar and army yous obvious don't like each other just use the ignore option and be done with each other just like I did on that shit pit23
just saying
How has things changed after we removed the 203?
Some says that it's a camp fest now? The few rounds I've played after the change ended real quick without camping.
Has the balance changed, and if so in the favor of what team?
How has things changed after we removed the 203?
Some says that it's a camp fest now? The few rounds I've played after the change ended real quick without camping.
Has the balance changed, and if so in the favor of what team?
Havent played in awhile lol. But any one shooting out of wwe ent as they rush in hosp???I did so with my ar, got some kills with it, but if I have to be honest, I could also do the same thing back on escort, and it's way further from a free kill compared with a 203.
I forsee a rule on that no shooting people going in since no more nades.
I still think ambush would have the upper hand now vs escort
keep nades gone add more flashes to substitute nades
The best part about this is that it's the ones whoring hospital, 203 spamming and fucking things up that has caused this. Exactly the same thing as when you choose to have your server on hospital only, you're doing nothing good for the community, play other maps for fuck sake. IGC, not to point fingers here but you have it on hospital atleast 9 days out of 10, you have a golden oppurtoninty to swap maps whilst the server is full and get people to play other maps. SWISS does this but sadly picks maps which are usually so terrible that you wanna suicide irl when they swap maps. A golden rule for swapping maps from hospital should be never to swap to another SF map, ever.
Exactly the same thing as when you choose to have your server on hospital only, you're doing nothing good for the community, play other maps for fuck sake.wtf? You serious? So if someone joins a server and plays the game he does nothing for the community? So you want one map players to suck your cock in order to do something for the community? Isnt the whole point of the game the fact that people are playing it and it doesnt matter what? IGC, ATAS, HT have done more for the community than you will ever do and they are one map clans.
wtf? You serious? So if someone joins a server and plays the game he does nothing for the community? So you want one map players to suck your cock in order to do something for the community? Isnt the whole point of the game the fact that people are playing it and it doesnt matter what? IGC, ATAS, HT have done more for the community than you will ever do and they are one map clans.
EU GOSTEI MUITO DO HOSPITAL SEM A 203, FICOU MAIS JUSTO PARA O VIP, E ACHO TAMB?M QUE O MAPA ? MUITO APERTADO PARA TAL. MELHOR DEIXAR COMO ESTAR. MEU VOTO ? SIM.
they are one map clans.
Wow I actually agree with u on somethinghihihi :D
when is the Voting?Now...
i see it. as it seems there are more ppl against 203. anyway. i stop playing on hospital then. cu on other maps then. hooah
i see it. as it seems there are more ppl against 203. anyway. i stop playing on hospital then. cu on other maps then. hooah
wtf? You serious? So if someone joins a server and plays the game he does nothing for the community? So you want one map players to suck your cock in order to do something for the community? Isnt the whole point of the game the fact that people are playing it and it doesnt matter what? IGC, ATAS, HT have done more for the community than you will ever do and they are one map clans.In dead serious my german right wing friend. My point being that new players, which This game so desperately needs will not stick around if hospital is the only map being played. If you and the other retards who seems to agree with you can't grasp that, we're pretty much fucked.
In dead serious my german right wing friend. My point being that new players, which This game so desperately needs will not stick around if hospital is the only map being played. If you and the other retards who seems to agree with you can't grasp that, we're pretty much fucked.You are implying that its hospital's fault that new players dont stick around. So whats the difference between: "A new player gets his ass kicked on Hospital" and "A new player gets his ass kicked on MOUT"? Because when he dies every round on MOUT it will make him stay. :idea: Dying on MOUT is fun, whereas dying on Hospital is no fun. Ares confirmed. Allah Akhbar. الله أكبر
Then you have all the players that never play hospital and whine about how ppl are always playing it, they will all vote to rid of 203 as well because it will give a better chance of filling other maps they prefer and NOT because they are against 203 at all.Exactly, the vote should have been modified that only players who have 500+ Hours on Hospital should decide about the future of the map.
Exactly, the vote should have been modified that only players who have 500+ Hours on Hospital should decide about the future of the map.
Widow dont give the muppets what they want, this is a vote that was never intended for you to win.
Everyone has their own vendetta, the admins want as many ppl playing as many different maps as possible renting servers and donating to bring the game back to like it used to be that's understanding, the only problem is they have this deluded impression that they need to force you, i, and the majority of other regular players to play other maps for that to happen, so the intention was never to improve the map at all.
They timed the poll and the patch perfectly together with their recruitment drive in order to give the impression that since taking the 203 away there are far more players playing the game now,
As far as the poll goes it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the result before it even started,
Opinion has always been split down the middle with 203 by a, those that know how to use it, and b, those that dont.
So that's 50/50 before you even start, then you have all the players that never play hospital and whine about how ppl are always playing it, they will all vote to rid of 203 as well because it will give a better chance of filling other maps they prefer and NOT because they are against 203 at all.
It's a bit like dealing with the police, you can say whatever you want to try to get off but ultimately their gonna lynch your ass no matter what lol.
The players talking utter crap about 203 spam ruining the map (Rushers/noobs/non hosp players) can f##k themselves as far as im concerned they can bitch and whine all they like i will camp my arse off and make their gaming experience within hosp alot worse than it was with 203 lol!
Yes it's already begun, alot of ppl camping like you never seen before and im encouraging them to camp lmao, with 203 spam it's simple GO ANOTHER WAY....WAIT BACK UNTIL 203 HAS LANDED.....SPAM BACK.....COUNT 203'S GOING OFF WITH YOUR EARS, or just destroy the map, bring new ppl in to get verbally abused by the mindless new breed for being poor players, then they will leave and the game will ultimately die.
p.p.s. This post was not intended for vilkas, it was not pointed at vilkas, it does not need a reply from vilkas, however if his momma is looking we might make an exception :)
Exactly, the vote should have been modified that only players who have 500+ Hours on Hospital should decide about the future of the map.
You are implying that its hospital's fault that new players dont stick around. So whats the difference between: "A new player gets his ass kicked on Hospital" and "A new player gets his ass kicked on MOUT"? Because when he dies every round on MOUT it will make him stay. :idea: Dying on MOUT is fun, whereas dying on Hospital is no fun. Ares confirmed. Allah Akhbar. الله أكبرIt's sad that i have to spell this out for you, but what we should want is that the comminty agrees on that we need a stable map rotation to show the new players what the game is about, the same chance we got some 10+ years ago. We can't afford the luxury of being egoistic IF we want to keep playing this game. And to answer your question, theres a big diffrence, alot of the Times you never see the ones shooting at you on hospital, but you do on mout, the diffrent styles of playing is kinda like putting up the WW1 trenchwars vs modern close quarter battles. On hospital you sit comfortable on some roof, prone in some hospital corridor and waits, and on mout you gotta attack or else your objectives will be lost. Great comparison on maps you made to make me prove My point, fail for you .
lol you for real? Anyone with more than 500 hours on hosp doesn't want any change, because that's what happens when you do the same during 500+ hours, you can't do anything else
It's sad that i have to spell this out for you, but what we should want is that the comminty agrees on that we need a stable map rotation to show the new players what the game is about, the same chance we got some 10+ years ago. We can't afford the luxury of being egoistic IF we want to keep playing this game. And to answer your question, theres a big diffrence, alot of the Times you never see the ones shooting at you on hospital, but you do on mout, the diffrent styles of playing is kinda like putting up the WW1 trenchwars vs modern close quarter battles. On hospital you sit comfortable on some roof, prone in some hospital corridor and waits, and on mout you gotta attack or else your objectives will be lost. Great comparison on maps you made to make me prove My point, fail for you .
And to jammax and your conspiracy theory...are you right in the head? Like for real. I mean "can't use the 203"? I guaran fucking tee you, that i spent more time with the 203 than anyone in here, i still hate the 203 more than ever on hospital.
The fact of the matter is ares, no matter what you have done or how long you have spent with it, you still are very poor with it, i have seen you ingame in recent times and next to no kills with 203, thats the truth.
Vilkas...your pissing into the wind as per usual, arguing other ppl's points with no decent points of your own, as far as you are concerned you are a noob to this game ''noob'' deriving from the american term ''newb'' or ''newbie'', if your gameplay was anything near as efficient as your spamming everywhere i look across these forums and the shoutbox...you would be a great player, unfortunately that is something you are not, the serious posts you have made have all been repeated from other players posts and i can tell you exactly what bracket you fall into, you fall into the ''noob that lacks the capacity to learn how to use/play with 203's in the game, again...the truth.
Im not surprised either of the 2 of you are for ridding of 203 because of all the players i have seen playing the hospital map neither of you rank in the top half, not being a nob just being honest.
The biggest surprise for me is with ganja, this is a player i respect, with no doubt one of the better players still around at this time, knows when to rush(a bit too much lol) when to camp, can use 203 to good effect, yet he is for ridding of 203...strange for him to want to get rid of anything instead of adding stuff to the map, maybe he has other maps which he prefers to hospital, this is the only reason i can think of, but for sure i hold his opinion in much higher regard than 2 players that cant break their way out of a wet paper bag :)
Perhaps Ganja is willing to see beyond what best(Most fun) for him, and argue from the point of the future of 25Assist.
But I will not pretend to speak for him, the reasoning might be something else.
wow really dude u stop playing cauise u cant use 1 nade really???
guess what ur lost not ours so enjoy what ever map u choose to replace it with
Jammax, I both agree and disagree with you. SF Hospital is a well designed map, back when AA was very popular. The devs obviously spent a lot of time on it and it shows. The issue with 203's is that if you're a seasoned player, you know where to expect them from, not a problem there. But if you don't play much or are new to the game, you'll get raped every round. I know this from experience. I played Hospital last night while the 203's were disabled and sure, I got owned several times but there wasn't any spam on the server and it seemed pretty level and fair. Actually, it was quite enjoyable.
We don't want to change what makes this game great, we simply want to take the advantage away from map whores. People that know where to spam and how long it takes to get from point A to point B. It's all about leveling the playing field and making it fair for those who play infrequently, casually or for those who are new.
but everyone knows that the hospital players will whine their eyes out and make such a fuss that the admins of assist will be forced to work around it, so just remove the vote i'd say, and let's pretend votes actually matters some other day.Really?
Really?
I think ARES said this because of the other discussion you had with spanky, adding admin option in their server panel to enable 203 or disable. If this is to be implemented, the vote actually is not needed as therefore we all know what will be chosen on every hospital server and option remains for frag whores. I must say he is right if this to happen, now there are plenty of polls, but do they mean anything at the moment is the question. ( As if you are going to change them) Just my centcorrect.
correct.The other discussion was to create a x second spam disabler at start of round(Witch is implanted already in the next version, 8.15).
The other discussion was to create a x second spam disabler at start of round(Witch is implanted already in the next version, 8.15).
This is about if we should disable the 203 completely on SF Hospital, two different things.
The other discussion was to create a x second spam disabler at start of round(Witch is implanted already in the next version, 8.15).Like I said in that thread, it will pose a problem when the server admins who think that it's needed to stop nades on maps besides hospital. It's meant for hospital, but till affect every other map in the game in a negative way, bridge, mountain pass, recon, bridge SE, all maps which has assault 203 spam as an essential way of evening up the odds on such defense sided maps. If the spam disabler is meant for hospital, but affects all other maps, remove the problem, hence remove 203's on hospital, and don't work around it trying to please the crybabies.
This is about if we should disable the 203 completely on SF Hospital, two different things.
Like I said in that thread, it will pose a problem when the server admins who think that it's needed to stop nades on maps besides hospital. It's meant for hospital, but till affect every other map in the game in a negative way, bridge, mountain pass, recon, bridge SE, all maps which has assault 203 spam as an essential way of evening up the odds on such defense sided maps. If the spam disabler is meant for hospital, but affects all other maps, remove the problem, hence remove 203's on hospital, and don't work around it trying to please the crybabies.It's not meant for hospital, I don't how I can say it any clearer.
It's not meant for hospital
i think when 203 is gone, then some owner from servers will make 203 on theyr servers. then we will see where the ppl play. u can choose then between 203 or no 203. maybe its 50/50 then. maybe there are 2 hospital servers then. anyway, i would say make a 20 sec rule. then u cant spam. but u can wait till the 20 sec are over and 203 those hardcore-campers what crawl around in every corner. i also hope that there are some severadmins, what make on theyr servers 203, when its gone.hooah
we'll I can guarantee you if we have that option on our server there will be NO NADES
You touched the very point why this "no-203" action and voting is mislead. While there can be _some_ (little but still) arguments against 203 at _spawn time_, there are _no_ reasonable arguments against 203 in general on this map. It would be like complaining against any other weapon. So basically there should be only "no-203 in 10/20/sec." discussion, if any. Because in my opinion, this is a matter that should be left in hands of admin servers.I... agree.
Micro-management like that, and putting your hands into such details as particular weapons used on map, will not lead to anything good. Even the most dictator assist admin in history (I won't even mention his name, it was a real shame and pity) never even thought about messing with such local server rules.
Unfortunately, assist admins (mainly Eliz) have the attitude "let's make a vote, then implement it". And it is unfortunate, because the population driving the vote is neither representantive nor has good opinions that would lead to AAO2 growth. Sometimes it takes one man with a brain to make right decision, instead of throwing strange ideas and letting random people vote them.
GoooooodI'm betting most of them will come when it's disabled again.
And now wait for the replies from the spamwhores :cool:
Gooooood
And now wait for the replies from the spamwhores :cool:
Gooooood
And now wait for the replies from the spamwhores :cool:
Voting is over.
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The map will be updated within a few days.
I find it ridiculous to change the map.
the server admins decide 203 or not.
or the admin can say 25 sec no nades and finsih
or two hospi maps.
but the 203 easy to remove and to say so now live with it.
it is bs.
!!original maps have to stay!!
and bcs die by nade or make kills by nade lol.
it is not intristing for me if i die. i die. 3min later i alive again :-)
and kills i dont play this gun i dont need a fr in a dead game for what lool...
i like to play rpk or for fun m9.
i realy dont understand why the 203 is remove...
hospi server was all times full many days 2 hospi servers.
i cant understand it...
I'm curious what is already the next... :-)
and i ask me how vote i see so mutch voices but i never saw so mutch players :-))
muahahaa i dont cry!old brainless man!!! :D
if you dont understand what i mean stfu...
for me it is not intristing spam yes or no
i say let the original maps stay.
and if admin dont will spam nades he can say 25 sec spam rule..finish.
muahahaha what shit head... :D
and i ask me how vote i see so mutch voices but i never saw so mutch players :-))The reason you don't see as many players as there are voters, is because people don't play on the same times. They play at different times of day as well as different days.
only shithead here is u, so stop crying vote is over and done with, its shit heads like u cry all the time when assist try to make improvements to aa 2.5 , guess you can't please everyone..
don't bother responding your now on my ignore list
srry old ...head your bla bla is to mutch for me so talk to my hand.
i cant talk more with idiots like you... :D
600 players nice sound.
i say let the original maps stay.
and if admin dont will spam nades he can say 25 sec spam rule..finish.
The main reason for removal was an effort to bring hospital to life againNo.
QuoteThe main reason for removal was an effort to bring hospital to life againNo.
Endymion u want 203 so much because u get a lot of kills from this nades. Now will be a little harder is problem ? Play and dont cry...Guys like Eliz keep this game to us "alive" and if they want to change somethnig we should agree with theim. Time show about this vote...If assist will be grow up, players comin it will be good idea.
if they want to change somethnig we should agree with them.lol you are a sheep bro.
The real reason why it got removed was because the guys close to the admins (Bart, Ganja, rmczk.... etc.) are unable to play the map the way it was designed and wanted to change it a little bit more to their liking.
We (especially EliZ) dedicate our time to this project with nothing in return.
The problem is he spends all this time for doing idiotic things, like spying on users or changing original maps.Then don't play the fucking game. OH WAIT, that's right, you don't play.
Then don't play the fucking game. OH WAIT, that's right, you don't play.
For fuck sake Pit, how much time have you wasted trolling this site? Circumventing our bans? I don't get it. What's in this for you? I'd love a straight answer as to why you waste your time trolling AAO25, but I doubt I'll ever get that.
Considering how many times Pit-23 says my name, he must have a serious man crush on me, or just plain out jealous.
Who is da fuck PIT-23 i heard about him legends that he is cheater and he is complitly banned from game ? Its True ? Really ask
I have to dissapoint you, but in this case it is not trolling. It is simple facts and truth.Facts and truth? what about your post is facts and truth? It's just crying about an admin decision and insulting those who agree with it. Where are the facts? Where is the truth?
what about your post is facts and truth?
You don't even play the game anymore.
Why are you putting in all this time to stir shit up? Just for fun?
In this case, that changing original map like this is just pure idiocy.That's an opinion, not a fact. A lot of people disagree with you, get over it.
Also, you still didn't answer my question, but I give up on that.
Again, I would like to emphasize that this was a COMMUNITY VOTE.
You still don't get it. If the community has voted that there should be only pistols, would you implemented it?That's a valid point. However, we've had a ton of people ask for this, so we made a vote and it won. Nobody has come to us saying they want pistols only. Not a single person. We don't create votes just for the hell of it, it has to be clear that a lot of people want the change.
I repeated it many times: voting and "democracy" are most often not the good way to judge things.
However, we've had a ton of people ask for thisOh really? Weird, I never heard their opinions on the servers. And trust me, I played Hospital a lot. Maybe it was just a ton of people in the admin channel on ts.
That's a valid point. However, we've had a ton of people ask for this, so we made a vote and it won. Nobody has come to us saying they want pistols only. Not a single person. We don't create votes just for the hell of it, it has to be clear that a lot of people want the change.
Like I said, I don't like removing weapons from an original map either, but I respect what the community wants.
Oh really? Weird, I never heard their opinions on the servers. And trust me, I played Hospital a lot. Maybe it was just a ton of people in the admin channel on ts.If you think it was just the admins explain the outcome of the vote... People wanted this, whether you want to admit it or not. Your attempt also fails because I already said I don't like the change. Also, just because nobody has told you that they didn't like the 203 doesn't mean nobody told us. After all, EliZ has the power to change the game, not you, so why would they tell you instead of us?
Weird that when I asked players on the hospital server today if they like the change. The majority was against the decision and only a handful approved it. Looks like an awful lot of bridge players voted on this... And Bollie with 16 accounts :DThat's a valid point. Perhaps those that played mostly Hospital liked the 203s. However, we don't make votes just for people that play certain maps. Maybe more people that didn't like hospital before because of the 203 will now start playing it? I don't know. Look, we simply just did what the majority wanted. Your anger is a bit misguided. Are you really going to get mad at us for simply acting on a vote? The vote wasn't even close either...
After all, EliZ has the power to change the game, not you
This summarizes the problem very well. Eliz became a dictator, who changes maps because he can.Same like comunism. Have you ever seen votings (elections) in comunism? :D
Ofc, there are votes before that, but that votes are meaningless.
150 ppl wanted that the map stay in original mode.. they were for the 203. whats with them?
We're not trying to dumb down the game or ignore people and do what we want. We're trying to make the game better.
The issue that remains is pleasing all the people. That will take some time to discuss and figure out.
After Bollie said that, ELiZ asked me about the code. I looked into it and fixed the issue of duplicate votes. There aren't many duplicate votes in the poll.
After Bollie said that, ELiZ asked me about the code. I looked into it and fixed the issue of duplicate votes. There aren't many duplicate votes in the poll.
After Bollie said that, ELiZ asked me about the code. I looked into it and fixed the issue of duplicate votes. There aren't many duplicate votes in the poll.
Good to hear that you check it.
But what about those who were trying to abuse the system? If you punish players for things like teamkilling and mouse macros, shoudn't you have punished Bollie for cheating on voting system? It is a serious matter.
You cant do crap. I used 3 different computers and different isp to vote from.
Such a useless effort? I mean, the poll was won by over 63%...
True, i'm not sure if we can put ganja on that list because i heard him say he doesn't really care if it's with or without 203.Well, yes, I also said in the other thread that I don't like them, but that was my personal opinion, everybody is entitled to have that.
Caught Bart a couple of times red handed joining a server and crying after a couple of rounds in Assist chat when he rage quitted (<- thanks for letting me borrow those words Ganja).
widow, that's great that you don't like spamming. I wish many more players were like you. The sad fact is, many players do spam to get cheap kills without any skill. That is the problem we are trying to address. The simplest way to do that is to remove the weapon that can be spammed. That is a solution, and the one being used right now but it's not the best solution. Personally, I would like to see global spam settings that prevent grenade/203 spam for 15-20 seconds at round start (maybe longer, we have to test).
We're not trying to dumb down the game or ignore people and do what we want. We're trying to make the game better. You don't do that by sitting still, that's how things die. Just like in life, you learn and improve. We're trying to fix issues inherent in the game that the original devs did not bother with due to time/budget constraints. These ARE problems, we just need to find an elegant way to solve them to keep everybody happy.
1. The way Hospital is designed, many of the 203 shots are such a shots that kills are definitive, from upper helipad to somewhere down there with usually a wall behind it are just free frags
2. 203s do work for wwr/escort building. The problem then is the weapon balance, as far as I've noticed is that SPR is way worse, this is why in the past a lot of people where exploiting the parental control to change their SPR. It was almost impossible to get a good SPR spot, sometimes you saw them at the back of garage, but that's seen from the objective not the best spot to have. I also feel that in relation with 18C, IF74 also became better.
3. A 203 in the hospital to blindfire with when there could be nurses anywhere is just a big no for the ROE
4. Not to mention that you see a lot of 203s being used for: blindfire, taking free frags while sitting in the back of garage, people walking on helicopter roof with 203 out to get a free kill, and only some of them actually trying to stop roof.
So, why does it work on oasis, ic, etc?Personally I think IC is the hardest and the most demanding map for 203er but it's not about aiming. Aiming is pretty simple and you have many points of reference from almost every possible and reasonable position, sometimes recoil makes you miss, but it's pure statistics. Feeling the gameplay and thinking make a good 203er on this map, you blindshoot, you predict, you change your position to the best one the current round situation demands, shooting only in certain time frames when your mates are safe from GP. IC is the map where a real good 203er makes the real difference, on pub and 4v4. He's usually the guy who takes the first kill. It's so much easier to play 4v3 situation on this map or when the G in opposite team is just shit :D. That's why I've seen only few good fellas with G on this map and it was pleasure to play against them. IC is the most demanding map for 4v4 (tunnel is comparable). When the push on the certain PC is done well, the other team can count only on some superlucky individual skills. My favourite map.
1. Oasis: map design, very hard to actually hit the 203, but very rewarding if you do, it takes much more to hit a 203 on those distances with those hills, and it thus does not make other weapons very imbalanced either. 203/rpg does not dominate gameplay as much compared to hospi. You can't get a kill with 203 that easily on this map (unless someone runs in the open in the river)
2. Insurgent Camp: There is only 1 (or 2 in a full server) person with 203, you can not get spammed from 5 different directions. It is a lot harder to hit the windows, or hit someone proning south outside. Because of only 1 203, when a 203 is fired you have a small time frame in which you can show up at certain areas and take this to your advantage when the 203 wasted 1 shell. Opens up more tactical plays in teams.
You cant do crap. I used 3 different computers and different isp to vote from.
Wonder what the ROE is for urban combat in/around a hospital is in RL US Army.
AAO beginners would learn it. like all others learned. wait 10 or 20 sec, then the spamwave is over. then they can go outside. just wait till the spam is over. u took the 203 away cause of the first 10-20 sec of the game. the match needs 7 min. u changed something cause of 20 sec from a 7 min round. thats not even 99% of the time what u can use in this map... think about it...That's why my arguments had a lot of other aspects.
AAO beginners would learn it. like all others learned. wait 10 or 20 sec, then the spamwave is over. then they can go outside. just wait till the spam is over. u took the 203 away cause of the first 10-20 sec of the game. the match needs 7 min. u changed something cause of 20 sec from a 7 min round. thats not even 99% of the time what u can use in this map... think about it...
Come Bart. You can give us atleast 5 more reasons. You can do it.Stop spamming the forum with useless comments please, go in-depth why you think something is wrong, give your honest opinions about things, it's all ok. But when you just spam everything, because you are mad, I do not see in what way this will help anyone.
AAO beginners would learn it. like all others learned.
IMHO you should think twice about what you've just said. If it won't help, do it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again until you get it.
Stop spamming the forum with useless comments please, go in-depth why you think something is wrong, give your honest opinions about things, it's all ok. But when you just spam everything, because you are mad, I do not see in what way this will help anyone.*yawn*
Please stop the trolling. Thank you.
I've been playing on assist for well over 2 & a 1/2 years (6 years on AA in total) & all I've seen that time on assist is the introduction of AA3 maps & a scoreboard hanging on the wall which no-one ever sees. Golly.
I've been patiently waiting for 2 & a 1/2 years for some real good additions to assist to make the loss of 2.8.5 alot more bearable, starting to get a little bit wearing now.
Turn tables for what? Ive been killed by spam and adapted my gameplay, i also enjoi spaming on hospital. I play like i want and the way the game was made is more fun than its now. Removing the G on hospital is pointless and I have no idea how a admin would have thought of doing thatTurning the tables as being the one that does the spamming. It's not fun. It's cheap kills that makes for boring gameplay for both teams. You can't adapt when there's only 1 way in the hospital for escort. As for getting killed by ambush, have your team lay down cover fire for a round or two and ambush will change tactics.
Good job removing 203s and making the game worse with removing the only counter playThanks for the compliment. If you have any real suggestions or input on changes we're considering, feel free to visit the forum more than just to rage.
besides the G isn't even removed from hospital its the server admins choice to put a time limit before the G can be used. Its simply just another server admin choice that assist allows us to have.
i mean people now rushing with PSO and B slot on ambush in WW to wait for people to rush into hospital and theyre getting easy kills lmao.. Good job removing 203s and making the game worse with removing the only counter playSo the PSO and B got more useful again, which is good I think. And people can also try shooting them back before running into the hospital, there are a lot of options :)
How can people complain about being spammed from West Wing ... When I play escort, I go in the bushes and shoot the spammers, simple, after 2 rounds nobody dares to spam anymore, problem solved.
Now there's more teamwork needed from escort to smoke etc, and ambush needs to push a little harder and thus get out of their camping spots if they want to kill the vip, it's a good compromise imo
I doubt that's true though.
Removing and changing the weapons just cause you dont like is lame. Hospital was fine as it was. Now you cant 203 WW roof, the escort side can easily smoke underpass and vip can just rush outside without worrying to be blown up. Its fucking retarded.
Why dont you remove the G from bridge crossing too? omg i got blown up in first 20 seconds please remove im trash at this game and cant use brain to take cover from obvius spots that get spamed with g at start..
...Q: What kind of problem?
It's been discussed before. There's been attempts and "fixing" the roofbug in the past. The players didn't like it.
The problem with it is, that it's not really a map specific bug. It's an engine specific bug. And there's nothign we can do to change the engine.
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Q: What kind of problem?It's an issue where a player will be occluded despite being in view. It happens in a few different maps, probably something to do with BSP but it has nothing to do with anti-portals.