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Assist => Feedback & Suggestions => Topic started by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 11, 2013, 15:55:58 PM
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1.Insert polls into assist and make sure players can vote even using BT account.
2.Make sure the final decisions are made with the full ''Majority'' of voters.
3.Delete and remove multiple accounts on the forum. (including permanent banned accounts.)
4.Charge a fee of cash for cheaters/hackers or other kind of distribution action players for their second chance, this way you would get wanted donations.
5.Watch list them, keep eye on them so they don't brake any kind of rule of advantage.
6.People do make mistakes and I think they should be punished. But they should be forgiven and given the opportunity for a second chance. We are human beings.
Oh well, I take criticism.
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4.Charge a fee of cash for cheaters/hackers or other kind of distribution action players for their second chance, this way you would get wanted donations.
5.Watch list them, keep eye on them so they don't brake any kind of rule of advantage.
6.People do make mistakes and I think they should be punished. But they should be forgiven and given the opportunity for a second chance. We are human beings.
Oh well, I take criticism.
This is isn't a freaking church here. They can go confess there. Here, there should be no forgivness. It was discussed so many times, so just leave it.
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Again this bs?
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This is isn't a freaking church here. They can go confess there. Here, there should be no forgivness. It was discussed so many times, so just leave it.
I am just helping you to understand that you're a human being.
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I am just helping you to understand that you're a human being.
It's not as if a perma ban would end their life ... they can live without a 2nd chance
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Just ban there ass and delete there account! End it there!!!
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1.Insert polls into assist and make sure players can vote even using BT account.
2.Make sure the final decisions are made with the full ''Majority'' of voters.
3.Delete and remove multiple accounts on the forum. (including permanent banned accounts.)
4.Charge a fee of cash for cheaters/hackers or other kind of distribution action players for their second chance, this way you would get wanted donations.
5.Watch list them, keep eye on them so they don't brake any kind of rule of advantage.
6.People do make mistakes and I think they should be punished. But they should be forgiven and given the opportunity for a second chance. We are human beings.
Point 1 & 2 are being addressed in the upcoming release/update of Assist - AST8. This release will be major in many ways and it will include several changes to the current version. New maps will be added, a new skin will be implemented and several other features such as headlines, news, polls as well as further added functionality will be included.
Point 3 is slightly harder to deal with. Multiple accounts are hard to trace with SMF. If there were an option to simply look for accounts sharing the same IP, it'd make keeping the userbase clean a lot easier. I will be looking at this, though.
Point 4, 5 & 6 are, as much as relativeness of the subject allows, heavily permit on one's own opinion and perspective on the matter of hacking and the consequences therein implicit. It is a tedious concept to grasp in terms of actual viable consequences to the community and to our current userbase as it is distinctively dubious if a humanitarian perspective is to be taken. I enjoy that people are willing to give this subject a chance for debate though I am faced with the need to emphasise that such discussion must take a greater level of depth and mature vision from its participants or else it will remain just a battle of self-generated opinions.
/Dan
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1.Insert polls into assist and make sure players can vote even using BT account.
2.Make sure the final decisions are made with the full ''Majority'' of voters.
3.Delete and remove multiple accounts on the forum. (including permanent banned accounts.)
4.Charge a fee of cash for cheaters/hackers or other kind of distribution action players for their second chance, this way you would get wanted donations.
5.Watch list them, keep eye on them so they don't brake any kind of rule of advantage.
6.People do make mistakes and I think they should be punished. But they should be forgiven and given the opportunity for a second chance. We are human beings.
1. Agree, but don't try to force people - remember, free will...
4. Maybe public works..? (:D) Seriously: I don't think this forum is able to accept something like this - here is zero tolerance...
7. More stricter forum rules (no swearing, respect etc.).
To help abide by the rules, should be implemented something like 'Warnings':
- second offense = expulsion for a specified time.
- third offense = ban forever.
Maybe then the members of this forum will behave like adults.
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Assist has went through great lengths keeping kiddie noob cheaters out, no dam way they should be given a second chance here
Case closed
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1. Agree, but don't try to force people - remember, free will...
Free will is just another way of enforcement. A middle ground between the two is ideal: Install a poll system and make it noticeable but allow players to ignore it. This will force them to know and be aware of the ongoings of Assist and AAO but not force them to take initiative and/or be involved with it at all.
4. Maybe public works..? ( :D ) Seriously: I don't think this forum is able to accept something like this - here is zero tolerance...
If you take the time to look back you'll find that we've grown considerably from a zero-tolerance policy. If you bring valid arguments and construct your posts to represent fully in accordance with your thoughts, we'll always be considerate of what's presented in it and take it up to discussion.
7. More stricter forum rules (no swearing, respect etc.).
To help abide by the rules, should be implemented something like 'Warnings':
- second offense = expulsion for a specified time.
- third offense = ban forever.
I am of the opinion implementing such rigid rules will, quite on the contrary, make us out to be some sort of zero-tolerance nazi-oriented Administrators/Mods. The members of this forum needn't rules to behave like adults. They simply need to want to behave like adults.
/Dan
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1. Agree, but don't try to force people - remember, free will...
4. Maybe public works..? (:D) Seriously: I don't think this forum is able to accept something like this - here is zero tolerance...
7. More stricter forum rules (no swearing, respect etc.).
To help abide by the rules, should be implemented something like 'Warnings':
- second offense = expulsion for a specified time.
- third offense = ban forever.
Maybe then the members of this forum will behave like adults.
No swearing cause adults don't use swear words?
We are all adults here...
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I agree with Mikawe, I think stricter rules will not help. What I usually do is remove unrelated and unnecesary posts from topics and lock topics only if I think keeping them open will just cause people to repeat the same things over and over again, which is a waste of time.
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Since admins complain about no donations for the project i thought it is a great idea to take them from hackers or cheaters OR rule breakers as they get a second chance and as they wouldn't pay for cheats but pay for the assist to play, they would also have fresh start. I mean if a fee is high and a person pays that fee, he is adorably going to be fair and not waste bucks to try and cheat since he paid money to play. It would be a suicide, like throwing money in the bin.
1-2 It fells good when the discussion is taken and it is on the update. We need to see if it will work or not, and of course the poll should be visible to everyone. Of course, no forcing but just to let them choose a faster and easier option on voting. I mean most of the users here don't play the game or plays sometimes. They should have easier access like assist poll.
3 What about if the forum names is connected to assist. I mean it could be the same BT name to forum name, connected, i think this way you would also know the needed information to deal with the current issues on how to track multiple users. Just an idea but of course I know it is hard in this situation.
4,5,6 I don't know how to express in greater level of constructive build up. There are good things about it and bad things. It seems that nobody really wants to go into discussion, I don't see much from admins on this. What I just offered was a donation money they could possibly earn. Since you guys do it for free and people can play it for free, you think people will donate? I don't see why there is a donation button when only admins pay from their own money to pay for domain and so on. You would give Cons for both sides.
1. You earn money. It would give more ideas of developing into a richer project.
2. Rule breakers have second chance, better player base and maybe I don't know a Tag lets say. Even tho people with the previous history tag playing in the server, server admins should obey the same rules as to the normal player unless server admin sees proof of him/her hacking or cheating.
And about swearing, we know we won't fix that. It's impossible and we shouldn't even speak about it, we all swear either if it was outside internet or inside internet.
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No swearing cause adults don't use swear words?
We are all adults here...
That's right all adults and as a general rule of thumb there are certain words used here that if used in a business or gatherings or whatever would get you swiftly removed from said places and used in wrong way or context could wind your butt up in front of a judge.
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Free will is just another way of enforcement. A middle ground between the two is ideal: Install a poll system and make it noticeable but allow players to ignore it. This will force them to know and be aware of the ongoings of Assist and AAO but not force them to take initiative and/or be involved with it at all.
'Sorry' - didn't know, that further explanations are necessary...
If you take the time to look back you'll find that we've grown considerably from a zero-tolerance policy. If you bring valid arguments and construct your posts to represent fully in accordance with your thoughts, we'll always be considerate of what's presented in it and take it up to discussion.
:poorguy: Yeah, sure... What else..? People here are deaf to the arguments.
I am of the opinion implementing such rigid rules will, quite on the contrary, make us out to be some sort of zero-tolerance nazi-oriented Administrators/Mods. The members of this forum needn't rules to behave like adults. They simply need to want to behave like adults.
'need to want' ..? What is this? Anarchist theory..? Look around you, everything is based on the rules. This is a basic feature of society based on law. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you - nobody can...
As for tolerance, in quote above you've said, that you're already zero-tolerance nazi-oriented - so, these two opinions are contradictory...
No swearing cause adults don't use swear words?
We are all adults here...
...especially you...
I agree with Mikawe, I think stricter rules will not help. What I usually do is remove unrelated and unnecesary posts from topics and lock topics only if I think keeping them open will just cause people to repeat the same things over and over again, which is a waste of time.
Yeah, I saw that - after twenty off topic posts. You need to work more on this... Two more Admins and situation didn't change.
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That's right all adults and as a general rule of thumb there are certain words used here that if used in a business or gatherings or whatever would get you swiftly removed from said places and used in wrong way or context could wind your butt up in front of a judge.
Depending where you work.
For me: im not a pencil licking dude in a office, in my work most swear words are accepted depending the situation offcourse.
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'Sorry' - didn't know, that further explanations are necessary...
:poorguy: Yeah, sure... What else..? People here are deaf to the arguments.
'need to want' ..? What is this? Anarchist theory..? Look around you, everything is based on the rules. This is a basic feature of society based on law. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you - nobody can...
I'm not a talkative person myself, i often find the amount of useless hate between players and/or forum users really annoying for both the hate itself and energy/time wasted, and the lack of anything interesting to read that most of the time that behavior makes for. That said, rules can't help a person to behave better, a good time away of the forums do help in some ways (and before you think i am the nazi, i've been permanently banned from a community long time ago...)
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3 What about if the forum names is connected to assist. I mean it could be the same BT name to forum name, connected, i think this way you would also know the needed information to deal with the current issues on how to track multiple users. Just an idea but of course I know it is hard in this situation.
We've been looking at this but it seems as though we'd need consent from BT --as well as some sort of system that would allow information to be exchanged between the two platforms which is likely a huge step against security.
'Sorry' - didn't know, that further explanations are necessary...
If people want to be understood correctly it usually is in their best interest to..well, explain things further. It is not necessary. Just needed when trying to keep an argument within a certain level of understanding and maturity.
'need to want' ..? What is this? Anarchist theory..? Look around you, everything is based on the rules. This is a basic feature of society based on law. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you - nobody can...
As for tolerance, in quote above you've said, that you're already zero-tolerance nazi-oriented - so, these two opinions are contradictory...
I am rather confused by this quote. I fail to understand the analogy between 'need to want' and Anarchy. I also seem to fail to understand how everything is based on rules, especially those enticed within the law. If anything, law itself is based on the premisses of an economical biological system --be it of any kind. And...since you seem to have taken my text out of context in regards to the implementation of rules, I'll attempt at making it simpler to understand:
"I am of the opinion implementing such rigid rules (the ones mentioned earlier on this thread) will, quite on the contrary (that is, rather than help the community behave and make us look like we're chilled), make us out to be some sort of zero-tolerance nazi-oriented Administrators/Mods (which is to say we aren't at that point currently but would enforce that idea and thus become closer to being the aforementioned if we were to include those mentioned strict rules). The members of this forum needn't rules to behave like adults.(...err, just like a scientist does not need society to tell him he must have interest in science --action is triggered by one's own interest and not through enforcement and/or censorship) They simply need to want to behave like adults.(Simple, eh? If you want to behave like an adult, you will most likely behave like an adult. But you need to want to be arsed about it.)
P.S:. We do take interest on what the community has to say so long as what the community is saying is within the same level of interest and depth that we look forward to whenever change is due to occur.
/Dan
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Yeah, I saw that - after twenty off topic posts. You need to work more on this... Two more Admins and situation didn't change.
The thing is, I can go on and delete every single off-topic post, but as long as it is not purely spam, I think I would be the most disliked person on this forum if I removed that as well.
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...since you seem to have taken my text out of context in regards to the implementation of rules, I'll attempt at making it simpler to understand...
I'm sure, others will appreciate your effort, but I wil go further and reduce your divagations to one word: Self-control. You see, the problem is that only few people here understand what this mean - therefore should be taken certain steps in this direction.
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I'm sure, others will appreciate your effort, but I wil go further and reduce your divagations to one word: Self-control. You see, the problem is that only few people here understand what this mean - therefore should be taken certain steps in this direction.
Thinking before writing. It all goes down to that, to me. That implies taking time, i think only a bunch of the people that usually post on these forums take some time to actually write a decently thought opinion/post. Self control comes as a result, if you think before acting/writing you don't usually do or write stupid, hateful or annoying things.
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4.Charge a fee of cash for cheaters/hackers or other kind of distribution action players for their second chance, this way you would get wanted donations.
That's not a donation. That's a payment to let them play the game again and that is probably not legal. They cannot make any money off of the game. Maybe I'm wrong though. Since it's denying them access to assist, and not actually AA, it might be OK, but still attention that they don't need.
The thing is, I can go on and delete every single off-topic post, but as long as it is not purely spam, I think I would be the most disliked person on this forum if I removed that as well.
You're not a moderator to be popular, you're a moderator to keep the forums clean. You can't be worrying about your reputation.
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That's not a donation. That's a payment to let them play the game again and that is probably not legal. They cannot make any money off of the game. Maybe I'm wrong though. Since it's denying them access to assist, and not actually AA, it might be OK, but still attention that they don't need.
You sneaky bugger. I just read your post and quoted to reply and you edited your post to include exactly what I was going to say. It's Assist, not AA. Banned cheaters are still very much welcome to play AA without Assist.
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You sneaky bugger. I just read your post and quoted to reply and you edited your post to include exactly what I was going to say. It's Assist, not AA. Banned cheaters are still very much welcome to play AA without Assist.
Yeah I thought about it for a bit, but I still don't think it's a good idea. The legality of the entire project is still questionable at best so it would be best to avoid anything else even slightly controversial.
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Mostly, I agree. There is a little bit of me that would like to take money in exchange for unbanning players. I have a funny feeling that the majority of the community wouldn't like that though.
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You're not a moderator to be popular, you're a moderator to keep the forums clean. You can't be worrying about your reputation.
I agree with that, I meant it more in the way that noone will agree with the forum being a strict environment where all posts have to be completely on the subject the title is about. Some other discussions in a topic might be valuable as well. The thing I do remove is pure spam which doesn't add any value whatsoever.
I think I should've clarified that as well.
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I agree with that, I meant it more in the way that noone will agree with the forum being a strict environment where all posts have to be completely on the subject the title is about. Some other discussions in a topic might be valuable as well. The thing I do remove is pure spam which doesn't add any value whatsoever.
I think I should've clarified that as well.
Whatsoever, you do mistakes but you're going to learn from them. I am pretty sure we all do them. Anyways back on topic.
You talk about illegality of taking money from cheaters to let them play again, no it is not. The assist is already strict with rules, whatsoever doing that wouldn't strict them more. You would just add a feature that Cons both sides. Since the assist is running by you guys and since you have created your own rules and TOS and so on it would be legal. If you did implement ''Terms of Conditions'' with giving a second chance by taking money from them it would be legal, plus the payment could be through safe transaction like Paypal or safe cash. It would be legal because it's your own project and by others agreeing with it, it will just make it fair and ''legal''. Anyways there is a lot of options to make it legal.
I must agree, I think to others it will be a sad thing to let cheaters play, but you can always think of a TAG as we talked about before. But the good thing is, Cheaters who is banned and would want the second chance, they would need to pay, the Tag would be next to their name and it would be a new account with a fresh start, plus they would be on the watch list as a dangerous players with previous broken rules. I think the punishment is quite a big deal, it wouldn't sad people because they got what is deserved. It would make the project richer as I said before, this next step wouldn't be any kind of broken rule of law. As long as admins do their job fairly I would see no problem and people would just need to take it as a fair deal, it shouldn't make them angry. They would see just an increase of player base and more fulfilled servers with more maps played.
I see no point really in stricting this forum anymore but the spammed and off topics must be deleted and removed. I think the current moderators do mistakes as they not long ago got hired into the new team. Whatsoever they did mistakes and will do but with the time, they should be used to everything to make it perfect. I think they do a great job right now, by informing with the discussions they taking right now, not hiding anything and being fair. Whatsoever, there are quite a lot of foreigners and the language should be more simple for them. Sorry MIKAWE, but your language is quite institutional and strong which requires a lot of English understanding. I do understand myself, maybe sometimes don't but for others to make it better use more simple language so everyone understands. Bart is doing a great job, he tries hes best so as everyone if the team. I have no regrets of this assist team but I would like to hear more opinions from the main project developer ELIZ from my personal view. Don't make more stricter rules, just do the job you doing, and don't forget there is a warning button, no one should be mad on moderators, they do their job.
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I must agree, I think to others it will be a sad thing to let cheaters play, but you can always think of a TAG as we talked about before. But the good thing is, Cheaters who is banned and would want the second chance, they would need to pay, the Tag would be next to their name and it would be a new account with a fresh start, plus they would be on the watch list as a dangerous players with previous broken rules.
So they would pay just to be kicked by every server admin? That would be a disaster.
Sorry MIKAWE, but your language is quite institutional and strong which requires a lot of English understanding.
He's always had this "problem," although it's really only a problem for those who don't speak English very well. Considering over half of this community is European, it could be a problem. I haven't seen anyone complain though. Knowing complex English is cool, but if other people can't understand what you're saying, it's useless. It does make you look smart though, regardless of what you're saying. :P
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So they would pay just to be kicked by every server admin? That would be a disaster.
No. Rules are rules. Server rules should stay the same. Lets say normal player plays on the server, he never broke a rule and he is very good. He doesn't get kicked. Let's say a previous cheater plays the game and is being kicked for being good. No this is not right. These rule breakers cannot be kicked without evidence of them currently hacking or cheating. They should have the same rules as the normal player has. This can be made if admins did report to every clan about the current changes. A notification bar before playing would do. As a try it is suitable or if anyone thinks differently feel free to speak. This would not take much time and would not harm anyone. I want this project to earn some money and I want to increase the player base then we can talk into more developing of the game and so on as this goes through.
Well i think nobody can help him then;) Anyways, I think there are no complains because we all want to be smart:) I do understand him but others may not, but anyways all I wanted to say is above this short paragraph.
(''Google translator my best friend!''
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So they would pay just to be kicked by every server admin? That would be a disaster.
That is exactly the problem I have with this idea. Of course it would be a nice extra to get a little extra funding by letting cheaters 'pay for a second chance' but you can't guarantee they will get the aforementioned second chance on the servers they will play on. That would make their little 'investment' rather useless and to me that seems a bit sketchy on the ethical side.
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That is exactly the problem I have with this idea. Of course it would be a nice extra to get a little extra funding by letting cheaters 'pay for a second chance' but you can't guarantee they will get the aforementioned second chance on the servers they will play on. That would make their little 'investment' rather useless and to me that seems a bit sketchy on the ethical side.
I now it sounds very good. Make cheaters pay money to ''ASSIST'' rather than paying to cheat apps.
But you know, admins can sort this kind of stuff. Even though players buy servers, they have to agree with itself ''Assist'' rules. They abuse something, they abuse the system that is built. As I said it would not hurt anyone, but a try is always a hope to something successful. At this point giving them a second chance, earning money, improving player base as it was more servers with people, more maps played. We can't of course guarantee it will work 100%, but we can try. It won't be illegal.
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I now it sounds very good. Make cheaters pay money to ''ASSIST'' rather than paying to cheat apps.
But you know, admins can sort this kind of stuff. Even though players buy servers, they have to agree with itself ''Assist'' rules. They abuse something, they abuse the system that is built. As I said it would not hurt anyone, but a try is always a hope to something successful.
That would be completely right if you'd actually rent a server from Assist, which I don't. I rent a server from an independent hosting company which has it's own agreement about servers with the Assist people.
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That would be completely right if you'd actually rent a server from Assist, which I don't. I rent a server from an independent hosting company which has it's own agreement about servers with the Assist people.
Hosting companies must get permission from Assist, am I right? If they do, Assit could easily order them these kind of rules. Why not? Assist could simply run their own servers. They can easily take down those companies that offer servers for you to play. Oh trust me, assist can do anything they want because it's their software.
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Paying a "fee" to be allowed to continue to play the game after being caught cheating would be a nightmare to administer.
Would being caught a second time warrant a higher fee?
Would AutoHotkey be penalized at 50% and a "real" bot at a 100%?
The ONLY upside to a fee/Tag model would be that the few that has been banned would add to the playerbase. But having them in the game with a Tag, would almost certainly drive away at least the same amount of clean players.
If the question is how do we gain more players, allowing cheaters second chances is a really poor one.
The only good cheater is a banned one....
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Hosting companies must get permission from Assist, am I right? If they do, Assit could easily order them these kind of rules. Why not? Assist could simply run their own servers. They can easily take down those companies that offer servers for you to play. Oh trust me, assist can do anything they want because it's their software.
Assist can do whatever they want, but they have to be careful with what they do. You can't just do whatever you'd like, you have to bear the opinion of your target audience in mind. If I think I have a solid reason to ban someone (in my opinion) from MY server that I pay for and somebody from the development team is forcing me to allow that person to play because they received a little bag of money is ridiculous.
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Paying a "fee" to be allowed to continue to play the game after being caught cheating would be a nightmare to administer.
Would being caught a second time warrant a higher fee?
Would AutoHotkey be penalized at 50% and a "real" bot at a 100%?
The ONLY upside to a fee/Tag model would be that the few that has been banned would add to the playerbase. But having them in the game with a Tag, would almost certainly drive away at least the same amount of clean players.
If the question is how do we gain more players, allowing cheaters second chances is a really poor one.
The only good cheater is a banned one....
:) Eliz is right on target, as usual. There are way too many negative and no positives to letting cheaters play again.
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Paying a "fee" to be allowed to continue to play the game after being caught cheating would be a nightmare to administer.
Would being caught a second time warrant a higher fee?
Would AutoHotkey be penalized at 50% and a "real" bot at a 100%?
The ONLY upside to a fee/Tag model would be that the few that has been banned would add to the playerbase. But having them in the game with a Tag, would almost certainly drive away at least the same amount of clean players.
If the question is how do we gain more players, allowing cheaters second chances is a really poor one.
The only good cheater is a banned one....
I don't think so. I don't understand what would be a nightmare to administer. Do you need more staff? Is it hard to administrate who is banned or cheated? With Pay pal or safe cash it's easy. If you would like to do by Debit Card, there is a slight harder way. Most people don't trust online payments, likely paying to the games as it is not safe.
Would being caught a second time warrant a higher fee? Yes it would
Would AutoHotkey be penalized at 50% and a "real" bot at a 100%? Yes, i see no point in why not as long as they brake a rule of having advantage that has a penalty of permanent ban.
Then lets forget about the Tag, there are more options available. Etc they don't have a tag but you (staff) know the players. That sounds fair to me. With this option they wouldn't drive out clean players or any players.
Lets add all the banned accounts( not including multiple accounts) hmm, around 25 to 40 more players that are banned now. Interesting. It would add quite a slight of peace of players.
DARKSHOOTER@ Assist would not force you, YOU and people who is BUYING must agree with the rules, they are not forcing, you accept or decline as it is in ''Term of Conditions'' before playing the game. You must also agree with their rules before you throw your own rules.
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Assist can do whatever they want, but they have to be careful with what they do. You can't just do whatever you'd like, you have to bear the opinion of your target audience in mind. If I think I have a solid reason to ban someone (in my opinion) from MY server that I pay for and somebody from the development team is forcing me to allow that person to play because they received a little bag of money is ridiculous.
I agree. There should be no reason that the Assist admins should be able to say who you can and cannot ban from your server.
I mean, on your own server you can ban people for various reasons, from excessive (and intentional) TKing to extremely hostile/rude behavior towards others in the server, from exploiting bugs to disrespecting server rules. Now if the admins said you couldn't ban this "ex"-cheater, he'd be at an advantage compared to any regular legit player.
And since usually you're allowed to ban players on your own server, most server admins would probably ban the known "ex"-cheaters.
I'm pretty sure everyone here understand the noble idea of giving this project some much needed cash, but IMHO having cheaters paying to play again is not something that would work.
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DARKSHOOTER@ Assist would not force you, YOU and people who is BUYING must agree with the rules, they are not forcing, you accept or decline as it is in ''Term of Conditions'' before playing the game. You must also agree with their rules before you throw your own rules.
If it would get to that point I'd happily cancle my own server by that time, because that would be a waste of money on my side.
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I'm pretty sure everyone here understand the noble idea of giving this project some much needed cash, but IMHO having cheaters paying to play again is not something that would work.
Ok, lets forget about the TAG option and lets go for other option such as only staff knows who is banned players and who of them are playing. Nobody would know, no harm.
Ok, now I want you all to go to ''Half of shame'' and count all those banned accounts. Using no flash no recoil, multi hack, private hack and so on that has policy of permanent ban. Tell me, how this would not increase player base.
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Ok, lets forget about the TAG option and lets go for other option such as only staff knows who is banned players and who of them are playing. Nobody would know, no harm.
Ok, now I want you all to go to ''Half of shame'' and count all those banned accounts. Using no flash no recoil, multi hack, private hack and so on that has policy of permanent ban. Tell me, how this would not increase player base.
Nobody would know? I too can do a decent background check, and there are many more who are able to do so.
And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't give that much of a boost to the playerbase, because a lot of players wouldn't be too happy to have a bigger possibility of hackers ingame thus the 'normal' clean players would be leaving or at least be playing less than they did before.
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Ok, lets forget about the TAG option and lets go for other option such as only staff knows who is banned players and who of them are playing. Nobody would know, no harm.
Ok, now I want you all to go to ''Half of shame'' and count all those banned accounts. Using no flash no recoil, multi hack, private hack and so on that has policy of permanent ban. Tell me, how this would not increase player base.
We don't need to increase the amount of dipshits in AA. We need good people. Plus, what makes you think these hackers would come back and play fairly? A lot of these dumbasses only played the game to hack and very few have expressed remorse about it.
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Most of the hackers were probably not everyday players anyway, I bet they'd just hop on every now and then and use their cheats to feel good about themselves.
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I now it sounds very good. Make cheaters pay money to ''ASSIST'' rather than paying to cheat apps.
But you know, admins can sort this kind of stuff. Even though players buy servers, they have to agree with itself ''Assist'' rules. They abuse something, they abuse the system that is built. As I said it would not hurt anyone, but a try is always a hope to something successful. At this point giving them a second chance, earning money, improving player base as it was more servers with people, more maps played. We can't of course guarantee it will work 100%, but we can try. It won't be illegal.
Well... I hope, you guys know what you're doing...
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what makes you think these hackers would come back and play fairly? A lot of these dumbasses only played the game to hack and very few have expressed remorse about it.
Few expressed remorse, did you give them a second chance? I guess the answer is no. Why would they not play fairly? They have paid to play fairly, it really depends how much you put a price on the second chance for them. I don't think a lot of people played just to hack. I think its because they have bored of it or they saw how shit they are in the game and saw strong competition between players, not sure but a lot is too strong answer to be true. I am very curious who hasn't hacked any kind of game or wanted to hack it for fun or to gain advantage. I would like to use this word a lot here.
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I am very curious who hasn't hacked any kind of game or wanted to hack it for fun or to gain advantage. I would like to use this word a lot here.
I'm sure alot here haven't, for what????? i mean really why pay for it when you can play the game and get better in due time, stupid to use some stupid ass kiddie cheat to gain advantage, whooo hoo way to go
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Few expressed remorse, did you give them a second chance? I guess the answer is no.
There was one occasion back when this all started where we did(although I hated the idea) but otherwise, no. Remorse can easily be faked. They know the consequences of hacking if caught when they started. I will never believe that hackers deserve a second chance.
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In regards to my English...I'm Portuguese. I was self-taught English through a lot of philosophical reading and writing. Through error and trial. Although I am not as hard to understand when I speak simply due to the fact that most of what is spoken is not the slightest as complex and pragmatically methodic as what is addressed through words nowadays. The fact that I ended up writing my own dissertation and fine-tune my search for fairness in both speech and presentation also made it hard to believe that simple = sufficient --partially because sufficiency itself is none at all a simple matter.
But do bear in mind that expression is tenacious. I sometimes find it exquisitely hard to remotely understand people who simply do not give two shits about their grammar and/or phrase structure...but at least I put some real effort towards understanding their points of relevance. If it isn't at all understandable then I'll simply ask that they attempt at explaining/expressing their opinions again, this time with a bit of more attention to wording and the likes.
Bite me. This all makes little to no-sense to me.
On-Topic:
ELiZ hit the nail. Just think of the following hypothesis:
1st-time Hacking - $100
2nd-time Hacking - $200
AutoHotKey Hacking - $300
3rd-time Hacking - $400
'I'm Playing At My Brother's Computer Excuse' Hacking - $500
Where does it end?! The idea itself is doomed to fail from the start-up. Pragmatically thinking, who do you believe would be willing to pay --even if we brought the fines down to $10 -- to gain the ability to play in a game they've once played legitimately and were either bad players or simply didn't enjoy the game enough as it is that they felt the need to download, pay for and use hacks? The whole concept around the principle of monetary exchange as an applicable punishment is surreal and burlesque.
Still en-vise (for those who are not familiar with this word, the literally meaning of en-vise is: in-vision-of;-- applicable and addressed wherein describing a(n) set of conceptual and integral actions to be taken keeping in interest the conclusive and objective solution of any one subject of interest --see? Much easier to just type in en-vise instead) of the aforementioned suggested solutions to this subject, I believe it hard to conceive that a work-around around the '$10 For A Free Hacker!" (I just came up with this Campaign name, too) would be keeping the list of hackers who have paid to play again private and/or accessible only by Administrators. We'd be going backwards. We'd get called out for by the community complaining about our level of secrecy...and that we're all villains trying to take AA away from you (irony, irony is such a long-hearted beauty!)...and so on so forth.
No. I believe in honesty and free knowledge. The community should know what's going on and what isn't.
This is why I insist: Think your posts through before clicking on that shiny button at the bottom-right of your web-page that says "Post". Think them through not only on a grammar-level but on a idea-level too. This will help the community and subsequently Assist grow better lengths.
P.S:. Sorry for my complex English. If need be, Google Translate is available.
/Dan
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I like the number of zeroes after the dollar sign. Tell me more about where I can get in on this.
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Worry not. I'll start talking more like "OMGZ, u so own. Wut? LOLRMLAOF@£$%^&£*" if that makes it easier for the community.
That's not what he was talking about and you fucking know it. There's no need to act like a dick. You use a lot of words and phrases that are not commonplace for most people. Also, your sentences are often very long. This can be very confusing for those that do not speak English very well. There's no need to be condescending, he was just trying to help. You're an admin of a forum that hosts a very global community. You need to use simpler sentences and words so everyone can understand you. Surely you can do that.
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That's not what he was talking about and you fucking know it. There's no need to act like a dick. You use a lot of words and phrases that are not commonplace for most people. Also, your sentences are often very long. This can be very confusing for those that do not speak English very well. There's no need to be condescending, he was just trying to help. You're an admin of a forum that hosts a very global community. You need to use simpler sentences and words so everyone can understand you. Surely you can do that.
I agree.
While I don't really have a problem understanding what you're writing, others might.
And to be honest, the way you type here looks like you're trying too hard (even if you're not). It looks to me as if you're trying to look better/more educated than other (even thought this is probably not what you're going for).
And in your long post, you state it's easier to write en-vise instead of the explanation, but don't you think having to write both takes even longer?
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In the way you are writing, is how I have to write my thesis at university (and sometiems it is not needed to talk THAT professional). It is not needed to talk like that in a forum, as I agree with most here.
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In regards to my English...I'm Portuguese. I was self-taught English through a lot of philosophical reading and writing. Through error and trial. Although I am not as hard to understand when I speak simply due to the fact that most of what is spoken is not the slightest as complex and pragmatically methodic as what is addressed through words nowadays. The fact that I ended up writing my own dissertation and fine-tune my search for fairness in both speech and presentation also made it hard to believe that simple = sufficient --partially because sufficiency itself is none at all a simple matter.
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To me, you are a regular snob... :poorguy:
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P.S:. Sorry for my complex English. If need be, Google Translate is available.
Intelligent people can adapt to every conversation (without forcing anyone to align to their level...).
... or just maybe, yet another kid with too big ambitions to their capabilities ...
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To me, you are a regular snob... :poorguy:
Intelligent people can adapt to every conversation (without forcing anyone to align to their level...).
... or just maybe, yet another kid with too big ambitions to their capabilities ...
Assumptions...anyway, even if he's using some uncommon words he's doing a better job at expressing himself than most of the people here (it's obvious he's taking more time to do that, most of the people just don't care about). If people complain about posts length it must be cause they're used to phone text messages or one~two liners replies.
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I can somewhat relate to the complaints about the usage of big words even though I have no difficulty understanding any of it. Most european people on here have either a high school level of English, or even lower than that due to a lack of English in their schooling. Then there are people like e.g. Bart who have to use a more professional type of English due to their higher education. I can't imagine it being too much to ask for to try to watch out a bit with the words you use, because undoubtably you can acknowledge that certain words aren't commonly used in ordinary everyday conversations. For example, I try to make no grammar mistakes while typing little paragraphs like this, but I won't go over it a few times to make sure there are no little errors in it (hell, I'm sure I've made quite a lot already), like I would do for my essays and such. I also agree with NoBigDeal, intelligent people can change their way of speaking to a manner that anybody can understand, when necessary of course.
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I LIEK CATZ
Joking aside, i take to typing on the internet to being akin to speaking on ts/vent. My accent is strong so i slow down my words and try to speak more pronounced, so i can be understood. With typing i know people whose mother tongue isnt english may have a hard time understanding certain words.
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Sorry, I was working and couldn't replay any faster.
On Topic:
Okay, lets forget this option of giving hackers a second chance and lets forget about the hackers paying to play the game again. Lets go into different direction of all this how to earn money for assist. If you don't accept ''Hackers paying'' conclusion then I see only one way to get money from people who is playing. To begin with I see only one option which is paying assist to run a server. No more companies as low ping servers, you buy them from assist and assist runs them. I don't think its fair when other companies use assist to gain money when assist itself could earn money rather helping other companies. It will take more space, more bandwidth but this is the only choice to earn money because the game is free and you won't earn any donational money as you all ask. I saw already a few sentences from admins on this forum, yet they pay for cheats but not assist. Well who would donate when you work on your own free time and for a free game nobody will ever pay, only a few people may once. If you don't agree with this option, I have then an empty head towards earning money, you don't agree stop then moaning because there aren't many options unless the game is payable to play, but with small community and small player base no one will be willing to pay.
MIKAWE, I don't attack you and never did. For this kind of forum you don't need high graduate English. I understand, you may use it in daily life but not on the gaming forum where community is so small. All I did was trying to help you and the rest, understand the consequences of others not understanding your writing and words you put. I agree on most of the replays from other users. It seems like you're trying too hard, your words are intelligent and smart which makes you smart. I am talking about others, I am not selfish and I think about others too. I saw this problem and chucked this out. I know you can do better, use simple words like I do. I know, this forum is a free language, you write how you want but for others to understand you, you need less inelegance words and sentences. Way too long sentences. There are quite a lot foreigners on this forum that has bad English, I was checking older posts and saw many saying i don't speak English good. Just saying, if you can please use simpler language, if you can't well, nobody then can only yourself.
To sum up:
All I do, is trying to help ''Assist''. I try to help them and others such as giving second chance for hackers and by earning money but I see no point anymore in arguing with this as it's a waste of time and all it finds is excuses and disadvantages against my posts. Apparently there are more ''disadvantages'' than ''advantages''. I only gave up on giving hackers a second chance but lets continue this free speech discussion about other ways of earning money. I just fell angered that ''ASSIST'' does nothing really to earn money. I think its a waste of time if you don't get anything, who ever would waste his life and time for a free game that has a small player base and a small community. Working on their free time is just sad. Yes, you make others happy and proud of you, but is this going to take you guys anywhere? However you update the game, it is going the same, it may attract a few faces but that's all. But i lose no hope for this project to continue on the right track, there are a few things that needs to be fixed before continuing something.
I like ''Assist'', I do like now users on this forum. I like assist team/staff on how they produce themselves and the game. All I ask is to think carefully, agree with majority and always have more options than one and the most important, work as a team and always pull your hand for a help.
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I've never seen that financial side of 25Assist, others has taken care of that aspect, so I cant say if money is an issue or not. I don't expect to get payed to do what I do, but I've never been someone to say no thx to some cash....
We've talked internally in the past about getting some kind of Donators Perks, to get some more donations to the project.
For instance, being able to choose ingame looks(Face) to other players
Here is a mockup I did at the time
[youtube]O3cvdIUFcCY[/youtube]
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I've never seen that financial side of 25Assist, others has taken care of that aspect, so I cant say if money is an issue or not. I don't expect to get payed to do what I do, but I've never been someone to say no thx to some cash....
We've talked internally in the past about getting some kind of Donators Perks, to get some more donations to the project.
For instance, being able to choose ingame looks(Face) to other players
Here is a mockup I did at the time
[youtube]O3cvdIUFcCY[/youtube]
I don't think this small feature would do. Maybe a full como design will. But Eliz, are you okay for other companies to earn money where you work for free on your own time? I have no idea if it's a problem but in older posts of Johnny I saw quite a lot. Saw older posts for asking to donate by sergio. I just fell it is not right not to earn money. AA versions had this but it was free feature Eliz, it might be against the people and really it isn't any kind of cool stuff for others to donate.
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I've never seen that financial side of 25Assist, others has taken care of that aspect, so I cant say if money is an issue or not. I don't expect to get payed to do what I do, but I've never been someone to say no thx to some cash....
We've talked internally in the past about getting some kind of Donators Perks, to get some more donations to the project.
For instance, being able to choose ingame looks(Face) to other players
Here is a mockup I did at the time
[youtube]O3cvdIUFcCY[/youtube]
Not sure if i'm understanding you correctly, but if it is what I think, like BF heroes style, where u can pay to customize yr guy, i don't feel like its a good idea
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ok so cheaters dont get a second chance, but what about unfair tweakers. for money a second chance?
another aspect i read here is the money earning itself. i think all money, which comes in, should be reinvested into the community. noone should earn any money...
the major aim should be to boost the community.
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Not sure if i'm understanding you correctly, but if it is what I think, like BF heroes style, where u can pay to customize yr guy, i don't feel like its a good idea
I don't see it as paying to costumise your character, I think Eliz means it as a little extra you get once you donate, you don't pay the money for the costumisation.
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ok so cheaters dont get a second chance, but what about unfair tweakers. for money a second chance?
another aspect i read here is the money earning itself. i think all money, which comes in, should be reinvested into the community. noone should earn any money...
the major aim should be to boost the community.
To ''boost'' community isn't really easy. With specific aspects it would. The point is, I can't really see more disadvantages than advantages for letting everyone play (giving second chance) expect pit-23 and polllini. I mean, it might make people unhapppy but isn't this what we are looking for? the solution, the point, the try. Is it going to be so so so harmful if we actually tried. Would it be the ''World End''? The point is, no one is willing to give it, everyone has their own aspects and opinions. They can't be bothered listening and trying.
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another aspect i read here is the money earning itself. i think all money, which comes in, should be reinvested into the community. noone should earn any money...
the major aim should be to boost the community.
I agree with you, but if one took out like 5 bucks out of the common 'moneyjar' you wouldn't hear me complaining, as they put a lot of time, work and effort into this fantastic project.
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ok so cheaters dont get a second chance, but what about unfair tweakers. for money a second chance?
another aspect i read here is the money earning itself. i think all money, which comes in, should be reinvested into the community. noone should earn any money...
the major aim should be to boost the community.
All donations are put towards the server costs. Nobody is actually earning money off of Assist.
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I am very curious who hasn't hacked any kind of game or wanted to hack it for fun or to gain advantage. I would like to use this word a lot here.
Never hacked and never will. I play to have fun and do a little socializing with people met over the years. I am far from being a great or even very good player and I could care less. I am here to have some enjoyment.
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I like the number of zeroes after the dollar sign. Tell me more about where I can get in on this.
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All donations are put towards the server costs. Nobody is actually earning money off of Assist.
Unfortunately, this is 100% true.
I will also say that hack coders ARE earning money off of destroying the game. Make much sense?
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Never hacked and never will. I play to have fun and do a little socializing with people met over the years. I am far from being a great or even very good player and I could care less. I am here to have some enjoyment.
Amen to that,
Forgot to say play to get away from the old ladie,why some women don't understand we use this game to get relief from stress and have fun :D. :makemyday:
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I don't see it as paying to costumise your character, I think Eliz means it as a little extra you get once you donate, you don't pay the money for the costumisation.
It's not donation anymore - it's a payment...
To ''boost'' community isn't really easy. With specific aspects it would. The point is, I can't really see more disadvantages than advantages for letting everyone play (giving second chance) expect pit-23 and polllini. I mean, it might make people unhapppy but isn't this what we are looking for? the solution, the point, the try. Is it going to be so so so harmful if we actually tried. Would it be the ''World End''? ...
... of course not, but most probably End of the Assist. For now, AA does not pay attention to what's happening with their game (to Assist, to what is doing this community...), but situation will change when - in one way or another - their game will be used to make money.
I will also say that hack coders ARE earning money off of destroying the game. Make much sense?
Once again: all hacks are for free. You can download from everywhere, you can compile yourself even they can teach you how to do it - all of this is for free.
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It's not donation anymore - it's a payment...
... of course not, but most probably End of the Assist. For now, AA does not pay attention to what's happening with their game (to Assist, to what is doing this community...), but situation will change when - in one way or another - their game will be used to make money.
Once again: all hacks are for free. You can download from everywhere, you can compile yourself even they can teach you how to do it - all of this is for free.
You're wrong about the free hacks, there are several hacks, like Shadowbot which had a private version. I know for a fact that -{DG}-Crusade earned money of those, also the creater of ultimatemod btw.
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You're wrong about the free hacks, there are several hacks, like Shadowbot which had a private version. I know for a fact that -{DG}-Crusade earned money of those, also the creater of ultimatemod btw.
Yep and then the UnrealBot subscription is a monthly fee I believe. There's plenty of others as well. Yes there are some tutorials but AA isn't very popular and most of the public tutorials and example scripts are detected.
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Personally, I would much rather see the whole community coming together before taking any money in. For instance, any one of our current fórum members could have suggested hosting a server through Assist (local host) and make his a community-server just as it is has been discussed before. Clans that own two or more servers could have done the same. In fact, even clans that own one sole server could easily turn it into a "Community Server" by giving respectable members the ability to monitor the server and add-in a higher level of map/gameplay dynamism to them.
This is what would make the most sense to me. To see that the community has drive and is self-initiative. Only then, would I consider money to be a logical follow-up towards reviving the game and growing a larger userbase. Additionally, it is not like we're (the Devs/Admins) professionals that are giving up incredible amount of their time freely. Most of us are either taking this project and learning along with it, building their own portfolio or simply keeping curiosity at bay --at least this is how I see it.
Lastly, I have no intention of neglecting any suggestion that comes my way, especially the ones from the community. If anything, I try to discuss them further to a point where I'm confortable with the integrity and level of polishment of the idea itself. It may take longer, it may bring more headaches but it will also grow in maturity and integrity.
/Dan
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Personally, I would much rather see the whole community coming together before taking any money in. For instance, any one of our current fórum members could have suggested hosting a server through Assist (local host) and make his a community-server just as it is has been discussed before. Clans that own two or more servers could have done the same. In fact, even clans that own one sole server could easily turn it into a "Community Server" by giving respectable members the ability to monitor the server and add-in a higher level of map/gameplay dynamism to them.
This is what would make the most sense to me. To see that the community has drive and is self-initiative. Only then, would I consider money to be a logical follow-up towards reviving the game and growing a larger userbase. Additionally, it is not like we're (the Devs/Admins) professionals that are giving up incredible amount of their time freely. Most of us are either taking this project and learning along with it, building their own portfolio or simply keeping curiosity at bay --at least this is how I see it.
+1 !
I tried to put a SS but seems like I failed. On the SS you see 50 players ingame. 1 Hospital server (Bangers club) is full. There are admins there but they are very friendly, and never seen them kick anyone for bs reason. And then you had 1 Ht player on Ht hospital, 1 ATAS on ATAS hospital and 1 hun on Hun hospital. That's what the community still looks like, kinda sad, just wanted to share this
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Eh, out of words to be honest. Someone else could try something because I have an empty head. I think I have put all my suggestions and options for the course to be accomplished. I don't agree with more cause than good. I think it's pretty clear that the suggestion with giving second chance is just an option of ''trying'' and running servers with assist is actually even a better idea than making other companies earn money and make their business even more entitled than it is now. But I can't say anything and I can't decide anything, its up to Assist team.
I think it's pretty clear that, let's say ''Majority of Forum Users'' don't agree with it. I have nothing to say in this topic anymore unless I think of anything else. I am proud of giving some suggestions and making forum active by discussing the importance of the assist and its team.
I sum everything up from admins point of view, so it's clear:
I have made suggestions towards helping assist. I have agreed with options 1 and 2.
3 is kinda hard and I understand that but all together it is thinkable of something in the future.
Option 4, 5 and 6 is not for agreement within assist. For couple things, because it has apparently more ''disadvantages'' than ''advantages'', it will not improve player base, banned or people who broke a rule will no be willing to pay, it will make unhappy atmosphere in the forum and in the game which will make players leave the game, the Tag option is not agreed because it will attract more second chance users which would be a ''disaster'' in making other clean players leave. Okay.
I sum everything up from my point of view, so it's clear:
I agree on 1,2,3 but disagree with options 4,5 and 6.
Well because there are really no more ''disadvantages'' than ''advantages''. It will improve the player base by at least 20+, just look at the banned players, count them up and sum how many players could come back with second chance of being a nice and fair people. What would happen if they are not nice..., well the second chance is taken from them forever and they stay banned forever. Banned people will be willing to pay if it was even an $100. Do you know why? Because there are quite a lot of banned users following this game and to play this game they love they would. It won't make unhappy atmosphere if you keep everything privacy, if you hate keeping privacy from forum users then please why you have admins section where you guys talk about anything, discussing anything and so on. We barely know whats happening there, how many private stuff you keeping from us right now? If it would make unhappy, well they would just keep playing if they love this game, I am not saying to suicide but a ''TRY'' would not harm anyone. I offered Tag and probably have to agree with admins there, not worth doing it. You can't be sure of anything, I can't be sure of everything if no one is willing to try.
So, you guys want to boost community and make community together. Well that's not impossible but it may be success someday..., do you know why its not impossible right now?, because we all have different personalities and we're going to find something untolerated that we will hate. If you don't give a second chance on the forum, then there is no hope. Lets not even talk about forgiveness and lets not talk about second chance, because on this forum and this game there is none of it. I see on this forum, selfishness, licking asses, scared to do a mistake, scared to say something bad because there is no self opinion, all I see is agreeing, staff agreeing with each other, there is no self opinion because you all support your team members or your ''internet'' friends. I loved ''Kilaman's'' reply. He has told another ''staff member'' to be more quiet in other sense, he explained and teached MIKAWE and supported me for helping assist. He agreed with my opinion on MIKAWE's smart language, which I must say and pull my head down for him typing simple language, it is much better and for himself I think it's better too. I think most users are just reading comments and seeing more support on one thing, which makes them decide over everything. Admins (ELIZ) etc gives no second chance because ''Hackers pay cheats not them'' which I gave solution before, because they work for free for keeping the game alive where hackers destroying it...wait what?, so why moan when you ''DO'' this for free? why just not make this game payable to play;), and in other words there are no second chances for them. They see one chance which is not even humanistic. With that I will finish saying, the best way to cheer yourself up is to try to cheer somebody else up and a ''try'' is all i am asking for.
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Another lost cause... Why..? Hmmm - long story short:
At the beginning I was like any others - I wanted to help. Because I have good knowledge of UE 1/2/3 (form inside out - include natives...), I made my offer to help in game development, but they didn't want to. Simply because I couldn't give them some proof of my work - I just can't... Probably, after this post you will see some explanation why they reacted like this, but you know, sometimes you must take the risk. Especially when you have nothing to lose - game is dying...
Usually I don't ask twice, but I saw possibility and potential in so much hated by them AA3. I've spend some time reading all related to AA3 posts (not only on this forum) to know what exactly they don't like in this game - it was just a gameplay (mostly game mechanics). After this, I said: modern engine, better 'look', gameplay will be not that hard to rewrite - why not? But... Yet again, they didn't want to. This time I can understand why - time and resource consuming long term project, but when you looking at the bigger picture, it was worth to try.
Next was 'Banning Policy', but (I suppose...) you already know this story. Only this time, I knew the result of voting from the beginning, because I follow this community long before my subscription and (more or less) I know the local ideologies. ... maybe I wanted too - among the others - prove myself something.
Now you have collected some of my ideas, added yours and you trying to change something... Something - I agree with all of your propositions except the payment - which needs to be changed for the good of the entire community. And once again the same reaction... Even my last point '7.'is not acceptable for admins, probably because they can be among the first who will got the warning points.
Conclusion: they don't want to change anything... For them, is OK like it is and there is nothing you can do.
So now, I will be watching from distance how this game/community is dying - another sad story...
NBD.
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Suggestion:
Have standards for your admins.
Its in the best for the game, fairness, and the community.
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NoBigDeal, I hope you realize that it's not difficult to let someone help, the difficulty comes when you make yourself vulnerable. At the time you came around, we had a lot of problems with hackers and people bypassing the system or abusing it. Letting ourselves be further vulnerable to someone we have never met would not have been a wise decision. I still stand by that. It's nothing personal at all. That's why we asked to see work so we knew you weren't bullshitting or playing for the other team (so to speak).
Since you've been here, you've shown maturity, great ideas and a willingness to contribute. I'm disappointed but at the same time I understand your stance on asking/offering once. If you decide to change your mind, I know that personally, I would be open to it and other admins would agree.
With that said, I won't say it's impossible but it is very highly likely that nobody here would want to 'port' the game to another engine. It may be possible but there's plenty of other implications and the engine AA currently runs on makes a significant portion of the experience of the gameplay.
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So now, I will be watching from distance how this game/community is dying - another sad story...
+1
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To be honest, ''Assist'' always were looking for coders, but now I see the problem when they find them, it becomes too late. I mean, in your face there is Nobigdeal who is good with EU engines. Assist could take chance and recruit him, with his chance he would prove himself as assist project goes through.
Amen on this thread.
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To be honest, ''Assist'' always were looking for coders, but now I see the problem when they find them, it becomes too late. I mean, in your face there is Nobigdeal who is good with EU engines. Assist could take chance and recruit him, with his chance he would prove himself as assist project goes through.
Amen on this thread.
In hindsight, sure, NoBigDeal looks good now. But what does this teach us? To give the source to anyone that raises their hand? Bit dangerous.
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this project would need someone with ideas and innovation on top (game and community-related). at the moment i see stagnation everywhere, which will end the project sooner than later. although there is a lot of pontential in it.
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FYI:
New steps are being taken into consideration. Even as we speak, things are going on behind the stage. As I have said before, the Assist is getting a whole overhaul, new maps are being introduced, policies are being tinkered with, debates are taking place as to where we should be headed next, ways of getting the community more involved are being discussed (i.e:. The new assist will include a headline and vote section on Assist itself, something we completely lack of presently. This is sure to boost some activity community-wise). The forum itself got revamped --all is being made to keep things going and kicking but not all is doable overnight like the forum board layout.
A lot of these things simply take time. More than we'd like, most of the time.
I ask only that you accept this. And if you have a new suggestion, do open up a new thread.
We'll hear it. I can promise that much.
/Dan
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thx for the info, didnt know that.
i was missing feedback on suggestions.
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mikawe, its fascinating to see such smart person on these forums. you must be veeeery intelligent person to write in such smart way. what are you doing in RL? are you some kind of scientist?
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At the beginning I was like any others - I wanted to help. Because I have good knowledge of UE 1/2/3 (form inside out - include natives...), I made my offer to help in game development, but they didn't want to. Simply because I couldn't give them some proof of my work - I just can't... Probably, after this post you will see some explanation why they reacted like this, but you know, sometimes you must take the risk. Especially when you have nothing to lose - game is dying...
I know you from a few cheat forumz. Good that they didnt accept your offer - that would be BLOW to assist project.
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I know you from a few cheat forumz. Good that they didnt accept your offer - that would be BLOW to assist project.
Your first post and you already trying to throw slander for someone who you really do not know? Chill out a little kiddo...
First: it's impossible...
Second: you know the proverb 'If you can't defeat your enemy, you have to join him and beat him with his own weapon'?
Now, pull out the conclusions...
BTW: what were you doing on these 'few cheat forumz'?
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Your first post and you already trying to throw slander for someone who you really do not know? Chill out a little kiddo...
Why u think its my first post?
Second: you know the proverb 'If you can't defeat your enemy, you have to join him and beat him with his own weapon'?
You just have admitted what I said.
BTW: what were you doing on these 'few cheat forumz'?
Hunting for a scum like you.
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Why u think its my first post?
...because now you have two (look at the upper left corner of your post - beneath your avatar now is: Posts: 2) - smart ass...
Anyways, who the f*** you think you are!?
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Anyways, who the f*** you think you are!?
It's one of the random trolls that likes to come here, talk shit, put people down and generally tell us we're doing a shit job. Same account as the other one and probably has had many accounts before. He's banned now.
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Thanks...
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He can not see forums anymore? Sent me PM but I can't reply. Not sure who it is
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Personally, I would much rather see the whole community coming together before taking any money in. For instance, any one of our current fórum members could have suggested hosting a server through Assist (local host) and make his a community-server just as it is has been discussed before. Clans that own two or more servers could have done the same. In fact, even clans that own one sole server could easily turn it into a "Community Server" by giving respectable members the ability to monitor the server and add-in a higher level of map/gameplay dynamism to them.
/Dan
i like the idea of a community-server. an official aa25-community-server with a strong admin-moderation (community-based) and map rotation of the official aa-maps would be good. this could become "a place to be", where the community could gather. On top of that u have the possibility to play different maps and maybe ur beloved map which is rarely played. i think a lot of players come back to aa25 with the idea to play their favorite map, for example radio tower, but its never played. so at least there is a chance to play different old maps, which could bind more ppl who are already playing or leaving and attract new veterans to come back to the game.
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i like the idea of a community-server. an official aa25-community-server with a strong admin-moderation (community-based) and map rotation of the official aa-maps would be good. this could become "a place to be", where the community could gather. On top of that u have the possibility to play different maps and maybe ur beloved map which is rarely played. i think a lot of players come back to aa25 with the idea to play their favorite map, for example radio tower, but its never played. so at least there is a chance to play different old maps, which could bind more ppl who are already playing or leaving and attract new veterans to come back to the game.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Spanky was running an assist official server, kindly no one really played it.
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Spanky was running an assist official server, kindly no one really played it.
True story. It wasn't REALLY mine, James at LPS gave us devs 3 servers. But yea, nobody played on them despite the great pings and our desire to give out admin to responsible players.
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True story. It wasn't REALLY mine, James at LPS gave us devs 3 servers. But yea, nobody played on them despite the great pings and our desire to give out admin to responsible players.
American server ... No offense but there are more EU players during the day, so a EU server would be more full ...
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True story. It wasn't REALLY mine, James at LPS gave us devs 3 servers. But yea, nobody played on them despite the great pings and our desire to give out admin to responsible players.
Lol I haven't seen em, I'll play on them can't understand why the euros can't handle playing on American servers, i have no problem playing on euro server with a 35 ping
It's only a game
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Lol I haven't seen em, I'll play on them can't understand why the euros can't handle playing on American servers, i have no problem playing on euro server with a 35 ping
It's only a game
If you have the option to play on a server which is located closer to you, it only makes sense that people do that. I do notice the difference between NA and EU located servers as a Dutchman.
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It really depends on where in Europe you are. I'm from Estonia so my ping on most EU servers is between 12 and 30, but on US servers it's 45 and up.
I think you'll find that most EU servers are in the west side of Europe, which is not too much closer to me in Estonia versus someone on the east coast of the US.
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I play on EU server, it is fine and steady. I join US server, its a bit different in a bad way. I join Brazil server, it's very laggy with 300 ping. It depends on your connection, the closer you are the better connection will follow.
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Ping is your worst enemy if all settings are is equel.
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I play where ever I can