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Assist => Feedback & Suggestions => Topic started by: zombax on Thursday, January 02, 2014, 16:16:36 PM
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Hi, I would like to talk about the prone warning...which is totally useless coz you can still HS ppl with that bug. It just murders our gameplay, right ?
I think this warning messes up the game, as you're forced to prone AND shoot sometimes in this game.
Is there any other solution we could think of to solve this major bug ??
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as you're forced to prone AND shoot sometimes in this game.
That is not realistic and this game was built as an accurate representation.
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I know its pretty cool to repeat 'this is not battlefield' these last days... So what is it then, a pro realistic shootin simulation?? Please...
So you really want to keep in ur game useless warnings that makes ur screen shake for 20sec ?? Adding warnings to prevent bugs is like parfuming crap to me. And how does that screen shake is making the game more realistic?? Whatever
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Take a second to stand back and look at this project. We don't have the AA2 source code to freely modify things in-game. What we can do is limited in mods. It's very easy to check if someone is firing while proning and then shake the screen with a mod. It's pretty difficult to completely disable shooting while going prone or, to do it "properly", reduce accuracy to almost nothing while going prone.
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Its good as it is now. Shouldnt be changed back.
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I was before the warning system a proner to the max... and even I can now play without getting a warning. So its just a trick that you unlearn. ... that's it.
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it is ok now dont fix it back
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I can play with it too, I prefer crouching anyway^^ Simply keep in mind that HS bug still works, even with the warning.......... There will always be some people to complain about bugs, pubjump (lol), proning etc. People cry for almost anything today, even when they get flashed or camped, so if you have to listen to these nubs you should add warnings for everything. I think we're all here for the awesome gameplay that AA2 can offer, so please don't change basic movements.
Its only my opinion, I appreciate all the work that have be done for the community so far, keep it up and enjoy ur games peace
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Simply keep in mind that HS bug still works, even with the warning..........
Then you have to be very lucky. I think in real life, you can go prone and shoot same time but you will have no accuracy at all. Same ingame. So maybe one time out of thousand you'll be able to kill someone like that
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It has been done for good. In the real army, you can't shoot while laying down, it disturbs your accuracy, waste of ammo and less lucky shots. I used to do it, still sometimes do it but it's good that you receive warning. Main thing is to crouch now. More of a challange.
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Then you have to be very lucky. I think in real life, you can go prone and shoot same time but you will have no accuracy at all. Same ingame. So maybe one time out of thousand you'll be able to kill someone like that
You can but you risk tearing yourself and your equipment up while dropping, but if your ass is on the line with the adrenaline pumping and some nut looking at you like he is wanting to cut part of you off and shove it somewhere else just for the hell of it after he shoots you I doubt you will feel the fall at all. In real life you have way better chance at least of hitting your target going prone before you could ever jump sideways around a corner and head shoot the enemy as your feet hit the ground as happens a lot in AA. Even knowing pretty much where they are you still don't know for sure if standing. crouched, prone or if they have some sort of cover.
Let alone the simple fact you can't jump and land and stay on target. The upward momentum and major jarring of landing is going throw you aim so far off be lucky to hit them at all.
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You can but you risk tearing yourself and your equipment up while dropping, but if your ass is on the line with the adrenaline pumping and some nut looking at you like he is wanting to cut part of you off and shove it somewhere else just for the hell of it after he shoots you I doubt you will feel the fall at all. In real life you have way better chance at least of hitting your target going prone before you could ever jump sideways around a corner and head shoot the enemy as your feet hit the ground as happens a lot in AA. Even knowing pretty much where they are you still don't know for sure if standing. crouched, prone or if they have some sort of cover.
Let alone the simple fact you can't jump and land and stay on target. The upward momentum and major jarring of landing is going throw you aim so far off be lucky to hit them at all.
That's all true, but... jumping is fun! :D
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That's all true, but... jumping is fun! :D
:bow:
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This is one of things, I feel that we use to handle flawless back in the days when the game was bigger. We had more players but we followed the rules better and didn't bitch as much. If there was a problem we came together as a community and managed to fix it. If there was a problem with proneshooting, whÃch there was, we simply had an unwritten rule to either ban for it, or as for in the competitive community we disputed the match, or round which the proneshooting accured in. The rule should be there, it shouldn't be allowed but it don't work as it is today. The shaking is just stupid and punishes players that accidently does it. No sane player in todays AA uses pronebug, nor would use it if the shaking wasn't there. I'd say remove the shaking feature and if players choose to use it, ban their ass from the server, with provided proof and numerous occations, perm ban from the game. Same goes for runnade, although I saw the "in real life you can't...." previously mentioned here in this thread. Runnading, which is for those who don't know, is to pull out a nade, pull its pin and fast run while you do all this. IS possible in real life, and was used for a long, long time in AA without any real problems.
Whenever you try to prevent something in the game with a electric shock aka cartmans anti swear module, you take 2 steps back.
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We had more players
I'd say remove the shaking feature and if players choose to use it, ban their ass from the server, with provided proof and numerous occations, perm ban from the game.
Like you said, fewer players these days, so we have to think twice before banning people ...
Before the shake option, I used to pronebug a lot. But it was never intentional, it's a reflex, and I got kicked a lot of times for that. Thanks to the warning I learned not to do it.
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And we end up half of community cannot play any server because they were banned by accidentally using it on the server:)
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And we end up half of community cannot play any server because they were banned by accidentally using it on the server:)
With powerhungry and admins that are not able to discuss because of lacking english skills, or understanding of the game. Yes. Defenetly. But with admins that understand shit can happen by accident, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Before the shake option, I used to pronebug a lot. But it was never intentional, it's a reflex, and I got kicked a lot of times for that. Thanks to the warning I learned not to do it.
See? Electric shock solution is good way after all.
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See? Electric shock solution is good way after all.
And he learned his lesson like the dog he is, now we're all good and obedient, so remove it please.
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And he learned his lesson like the dog he is
Now this was hugely disrespective. AFAIK, Ganja is one of Respected Members of this community.
You proved again to be just one of those "competetive" players (in bad sense).
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Now this was hugely disrespective. AFAIK, Ganja is one of Respected Members of this community.
You proved again to be just one of those "competetive" players (in bad sense).
Dude will you give it a rest. I know ganja, played with him for years. He loves me and i love him (in a highly homosexual way) I wouldn't write it unless i knew he would take it the right way. Lay the fuck off.
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Dude will you give it a rest. I know ganja, played with him for years. He loves me and i love him (in a highly homosexual way) I wouldn't write it unless i knew he would take it the right way. Lay the fuck off.
If you have some special kind of relations then write such messages as PMs. Otherwise, the rest of forum readers will have false understanding that some hate talk is going on here. Which is hurting the community.
And its not your first time writing in such insulting "style".
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If you have some special kind of relations then write such messages as PMs. Otherwise, the rest of forum readers will have false understanding that some hate talk is going on here. Which is hurting the community.
And its not your first time writing in such insulting "style".
Or we just laugh at it, unless you think internet is serious buisness, especially a forum, with a tightly knitted group - Which you just registered on, then telling us what hurts this community. You rule, you got my vote. I will respond with whatever I see fit, and within the forum rules. Your undertone is not to be underestimated. This is not you and the community against me. You got it all backwards mate.
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And off to the drama board you go, oh beloved topic.
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Or we just laugh at it, unless you think internet is serious buisness, especially a forum, with a tightly knitted group - Which you just registered on, then telling us what hurts this community. You rule, you got my vote. I will respond with whatever I see fit, and within the forum rules. Your undertone is not to be underestimated. This is not you and the community against me. You got it all backwards mate.
Again - all you can respond with is just "bla bla bla" and not relating to facts.
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Again - all you can respond with is just "bla bla bla" and not relating to facts.
What facts? What are you even on about now? Facts about how much i know ganja? Or facts about proneshooting? I can give you a lecture if you want? Hitboxes gets laggy while proneshooting, you are not able to take damage while proneshooting, it is the essence of explioting (i.e gaining an unfair advantage over your opponent) I for one used it when AA first came out, 03-04 but stopped when it became punishable in TWL which was at the time the only competitive leauge/ladder. You can do it unintenionally, but I don't see someone in todays community using it frequently and getting away with it without having a foot up his ass and a black stamp related to his username. This is why i think the warning should be removed - as i think the shaking does more harm than good. It is managable from the players and admins within the particular server. Your personal vendetta about me and my attitude, it ain't just wrong, but it's getting kinda embarrasing.
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What facts? What are you even on about now? Facts about how much i know ganja? Or facts about proneshooting? I can give you a lecture if you want? Hitboxes gets laggy while proneshooting, you are not able to take damage while proneshooting, it is the essence of explioting (i.e gaining an unfair advantage over your opponent) I for one used it when AA first came out, 03-04 but stopped when it became punishable in TWL which was at the time the only competitive leauge/ladder. You can do it unintenionally, but I don't see someone in todays community using it frequently and getting away with it without having a foot up his ass and a black stamp related to his username. This is why i think the warning should be removed - as i think the shaking does more harm than good. It is managable from the players and admins within the particular server. Your personal vendetta about me and my attitude, it ain't just wrong, but it's getting kinda embarrasing.
I didn't refer to prone bug at all. I just referred to your "i am pro, bla bla bla" attitude and disrespecting others.
Now - you can compare me to you ex-girl now, and I will declare EOT here as well.
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I didn't refer to prone bug at all. I just referred to your "i am pro, bla bla bla" attitude and disrespecting others.
Now - you can compare me to you ex-girl now, and I will declare EOT here as well.
Im not disrepecting anyone besides you, for being disrespecting towards minorities, no matter how you tuck and turn this you're the one being the fool. People who know me can tell you I'm not someone who goes around telling others what i've won and shit (played through the whole internet twice, beat megaman x with 1 hand while getting whipped by my mother) I.was.messing.with.you. get over it.
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Im not disrepecting anyone besides you, for being disrespecting towards minorities, no matter how you tuck and turn this you're the one being the fool. People who know me can tell you I'm not someone who goes around telling others what i've won and shit (played through the whole internet twice, beat megaman x with 1 hand while getting whipped by my mother) I.was.messing.with.you. get over it.
Are you drunk sir?
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Are you drunk sir?
No, I don't drink. Even if I did, you'd still have managed to make a total fool out of yourself. I don't think i need to further elong the suffering for you trying to bounce back. Im sorry you don't understand my comments to their fullest, if you would, the discussion we've had in this, and other threads would have looked alot diffrent.
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I know ganja, played with him for years. He loves me and i love him (in a highly homosexual way)
Dude .. Why in public? :/
I have a question Ares. How can you have proof of a proneshooter? (I fyou don't have fraps running all the time)
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I really dont understand why all this discussion? Why do you want so badly to remove the prone warning? Even you said that prone shooting gives you an advantage because of "laggy hitboxes".
All the players know not to prone shoot because if so, your screen will shake alot! Why is that bad? It just harms the person who was trying to proneshoot, even if that happened by accident. Next time that one player will know how to avoid the screen to shake.
Just trowing my 2 cents here!
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I really dont understand why all this discussion? Why do you want so badly to remove the prone warning? Even you said that prone shooting gives you an advantage because of "laggy hitboxes".
All the players know not to prone shoot because if so, your screen will shake alot! Why is that bad? It just harms the person who was trying to proneshoot, even if that happened by accident. Next time that one player will know how to avoid the screen to shake.
Just trowing my 2 cents here!
Because i've gotten killed by rushing enemies in scrims after accidently proneshooting, or swapping from gun to nade/flash/smoke whilst pressing run at the same time in the heat of the moment. Since it shows in chat, it gives an advantage to the opposite team knowing when to push someone, that advantage is greater than the proneshooting itself. It interfeirs with gameplay and punishes people who accidently does it.
And @ ganja, with proof i mean during matches. Which are usually demorec'd. And in pubs, people will be aware if someone proneshoots. Votekick begins, player leaves server. If you would want to supply admins on a pub server with proof, demorec it.
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Because i've gotten killed by rushing enemies in scrims after accidently proneshooting, or swapping from gun to nade/flash/smoke whilst pressing run at the same time in the heat of the moment. Since it shows in chat, it gives an advantage to the opposite team knowing when to push someone, that advantage is greater than the proneshooting itself. It interfeirs with gameplay and punishes people who accidently does it.
And @ ganja, with proof i mean during matches. Which are usually demorec'd. And in pubs, people will be aware if someone proneshoots. Votekick begins, player leaves server. If you would want to supply admins on a pub server with proof, demorec it.
There's a workaround for the shaking tho.
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Theres a State in the game called "BusyProning", so you can't Shoot cause you're BUSY PRONING/RUNNING!
End of history.
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Because i've gotten killed by rushing enemies in scrims after accidently proneshooting, or swapping from gun to nade/flash/smoke whilst pressing run at the same time in the heat of the moment. Since it shows in chat, it gives an advantage to the opposite team knowing when to push someone, that advantage is greater than the proneshooting itself. It interfeirs with gameplay and punishes people who accidently does it.
And @ ganja, with proof i mean during matches. Which are usually demorec'd. And in pubs, people will be aware if someone proneshoots. Votekick begins, player leaves server. If you would want to supply admins on a pub server with proof, demorec it.
In a scrim, when the enemy kills you while pronebugging, what happens?
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In a scrim, when the enemy kills you while pronebugging, what happens?
You tell them they are bad for using it, and they agree, or call it accident. Move on to next round. Scrim don't matter shit anyway.
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So if you win the round by using a bug (maybe not intentionally) you say sorry and it's ok? That's not fair.
If scrims don't matter shit anyway, why are you getting so mad when you die after a pronebug :)
I feel like this is really the most fair solution (after ofc just disable it, but it doesn't seem possible)
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its frowned upon in scrims but seeing as the result mean nothing its usually just brushed under the carpet, but in a match you could dispute it if used numerous times as it could have been the difference in winning or losing.
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Theres a State in the game called "BusyProning", so you can't Shoot cause you're BUSY PRONING/RUNNING!
End of history.
Then why the detection in HackHunter/Anti-Poke?
We could rework the mod so that the message only appears on the client, not broadcast to the server.
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We could rework the mod so that the message only appears on the client, not broadcast to the server.
That would be a step in the right direction, indeed
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Prone bug was not a big deal in the past. It happened occasionally and it was very simple to recognize people who are doing it often and on purpose.
A good solution would be to give a shake warning when the player actually headshot another. I believe the warning is given too quickly here and it leads to bad gameplay
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Then why the detection in HackHunter/Anti-Poke?
We could rework the mod so that the message only appears on the client, not broadcast to the server.
it is in HackHunter, cause it is considered an annoying exploit, it has its own number of warnings. only a few ppl argue about it...
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Prone bug was not a big deal in the past. It happened occasionally and it was very simple to recognize people who are doing it often and on purpose.
A good solution would be to give a shake warning when the player actually headshot another. I believe the warning is given too quickly here and it leads to bad gameplay
Indeed. And ganja, if it happens in scrims I would rage, sure. I rage if a door lags upon opening, you know this. And type "don't proneshoot please" In a match, i'd have demorec of it, and if seen fit; dispute.
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I would rather see the shake be removed, and karam added like the "slap" mod we did once. So that if a player does it he loses health.
The biggest thing that bugs me is it makes you stop shooting the whole time the screen is shaking, it should only stop until the action is completed.
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While Proning Shake. I like it.
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Maybe make the duration of the effect same as the time to prone, not as long as it is now?
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Maybe make the duration of the effect same as the time to prone, not as long as it is now?
Thats what i was trying to say, just make the effect the length of the animation time.
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i guess there is an option if you are a server owner you are able to turn off the prone warning via controll-panell.
aa25.ini/
// Server Options(1 for yes, 0 for no)
hackhunter=1
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i guess there is an option if you are a server owner you are able to turn off the prone warning via controll-panell.
aa25.ini/
// Server Options(1 for yes, 0 for no)
hackhunter=1
You don't want to disable hackhunter
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You don't want to disable hackhunter
No hackhunter = no tracking.
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No hackhunter = no tracking.
But who cares about tracking anyway, right? :D :D