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Assist => Feedback & Suggestions => Topic started by: hype on Thursday, July 09, 2015, 02:23:37 AM
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Here's some constructive feedback. As a dev/admin of this client and website, slandering players in front of everyone is not becoming of your position. If you have an issue or confused about why someone does something the way they do, send a PM.
Hype... 6 accounts and using brightness/gamma/contrast binds... *facepalm*
It's players like you that ruin this game.
Spanky, slandering me in the shoutbox about multiple accounts and using in-game gamma/contrast binds as if that is a bad thing is quite childish and frankly, pisses me off. If we're not allowed to have multiple accounts (which I have 3 and don't see why as it has no affect on anyone or anything) then my fault, I wasn't aware. Although I have had these accounts since I started playing the game. However, despite your unpopular and personal belief, using in-game binds for video settings have been used for a very long time by many people especially in the competitive community back in the day. The settings are there for players to use at their own discretion. No, it doesn't give me an unfair advantage over anyone; as you say it does. If no one else was able to do this or if it was a bug that I was abusing, then that would give me an unfair advantage
For anyone reading that is confused:
Go in-game, go to settings, video. Change your brightness, gamma, contrast. That's apparently giving you an advantage over others according to Spanky. All I did was make a bind to do this quickly and will gladly share with anyone if they want it. Can find this stuff on google, not hard.
An advantage over anyone else is using cheats/3rd party software or modifying video settings on a computer through tweaking. I have not done any of that. I truly hope you start acting more professional and mature.
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Looks like someone rubbed you the wrong way. :P
Sure, maybe Spanky shouldn't be saying that, but you seem to care way too much about the opinion of one person, despite who he may be.
What ever happened to just ignoring people? Instead you made a big post about an admin who's opinion is different than yours?
I don't like how you can change your gamma, contrast, and brightness settings to make a night map look like day time either. I'm just not as vocal about it. I don't like it and I don't like people that take advantage of it. It would be disabled if we could get away with it without losing all the comp weenies that would cry about having to actually use night vision on maps.
This is MY opinion. Be offended all you want, but it's not going to change anything. We don't agree, that happens. There's no need to start making threads about it.
Also, slander? Get the fuck out of here. Spanky's comments really hurt your character or your credibility in the eyes of others? Your reputation has been damaged? Come on.
You're really stretching here to make this bigger than it really is. This warranted a shoutbox response, not a damn forum thread.
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An opinion? A shoutbox comment for everyone to read, from an assist admin, stating I am basically cheating...you don't see that as a problem? Alternatively, he could have just sent a PM with his opinion and we could discuss it.
I know, as a player admin, if I saw a dev state someone is cheating I'd be all about banning them and I'm pretty sure that was Spanky's intent - to stir up the community. Why else say something in the shoutbox. Then again, you're an admin as well and probably don't like the idea of actually behaving professionally.
Yes, it warrants a fricken post. Anyone that doesn't read shoutbox or misses it should be aware of this sort of behavior, especially the rest of the admins. Hence why it's in feedback as it relates to this client and community and is something that can be fixed.
Anyway, in-game video settings do not adversely affect a map. A few feet visibility further but that's about it. Point is it's part of the game and working as intended. Not a bug, not something no one else can do. Chill.
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An opinion? A shoutbox comment for everyone to read, from an assist admin, stating I am basically cheating...you don't see that as a problem? Then again, you're an admin as well and probably don't like the idea of actually behaving professionally.
Anyway, in-game video settings do not adversely affect a map. A few feet visibility further but that's about it. Point is it's part of the game and working as intended. Not a bug, not something no one else can do. Chill.
Chill? You're the one that got so worked up you made a forum thread about pretty much nothing noteworthy.
Then again, you're an admin as well and probably don't like the idea of actually behaving professionally.
Quite a childish jab from the person trying to claim moral superiority here. You have no idea how I act when it comes to serious matters of Assist. I break no rules and I don't let anyone else break rules, regardless of who it is.
No rules were broken here. At worst this is a player disagreement, and one of the lightest ones I've ever seen.
The bottom line is that he thinks altering the settings gives you an advantage. You ever said it yourself, you can see further. How much doesn't even matter, there is an advantage to it.
THAT IS AN OPINION. It is not currently considered cheating as you are not banned for doing it.
Messing with the gamma/brightness/contrast settings can break the balance of some maps. For instance, take swamp raid and HQ raid. Assault is given NVGs to compensate for Defense having the easier side. When you can adjust your settings to see clearly without NVG it compromises the balance of the map.
I realize that being an ex comp player you're used to everyone using every trick available, but this isn't competition. Just because everyone CAN do it doesn't mean everyone knows that they can or even how to do it for each map.
I know, as a player admin, if I saw a dev state someone is cheating I'd be all about banning them and I'm pretty sure that was Spanky's intent - to stir up the community.
Where exactly did he say you were cheating again? I must have missed it.
I don't know what else to tell you. Like I said, Spanky probably shouldn't have said it, but you're really reaching for a problem to complain about here.
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Lol bitching about contrast binds. Now i've seen it all. I use the same two binds hype uses, it just makes it either slightly brighter or slightly darker, really not a big deal. I still use night vision on every map thats dark, i'm assuming hype does as well. I agree with you though killaman, this shouldn't have become a forum thread...what was said in the shoutbox was good enough. Spanky was definitely insinuating that hype was "cheating" though, which is pretty lame. I'm willing to bet he's never even played with hype.
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A player disagreement would be between another player and myself. As an assist admin, you have to understand others may view your opinion more highly and publicly expressing that is slander against me. That is the main point I am trying to make and why it's in this forum topic.
And again regarding the binds, anyone can type into console "bind end gamma 1.2 | brightness 0.1 | contrast 1.0" or whatever key they desire. This is not a secret. Nightvision still provides an advantage on those maps by far, I have tested numerous times. These binds do not give an advantage over nightvision. It's mostly for cosmetic reasons, for me. Some maps look too bright, like urban, so I darken it a bit to be easier on the eyes.
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Lol bitching about contrast binds. Now i've seen it all. I use the same two binds hype uses, it just makes it either slightly brighter or slightly darker, really not a big deal. I still use night vision on every map thats dark, i'm assuming hype does as well. I agree with you though killaman, this shouldn't have become a forum thread...what was said in the shoutbox was good enough. Spanky was definitely insinuating that hype was "cheating" though, which is pretty lame. I'm willing to bet he's never even played with hype.
I wouldn't automatically claim that saying something gives you an advantage is an accusation of cheating. Better headphones gives you an advantage but nobody considers it cheating.
A player disagreement would be between another player and myself. As an assist admin, you have to understand others may view your opinion more highly and publicly expressing that is slander against me. That is the main point I am trying to make and why it's in this forum topic.
Again, how is it slander against you? He never said you were cheating, just that it gave an advantage, which you yourself acknowledged.
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I wouldn't automatically claim that saying something gives you an advantage is an accusation of cheating. Better headphones gives you an advantage but nobody considers it cheating.
So by that, players that use headphones or sound cards also ruin the game? I see it as him saying I cheat and slander because he said I am ruining this game, which is ridiculous.
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So by that, players that use headphones or sound cards also ruin the game? I see it as him saying I cheat because he said I am ruining this game, which is ridiculous.
I can't speak for him nor can I speak for your understanding of what he said. I'm simply saying that maybe it's not exactly what you think it is. There's not much else I can really say here. You gotta talk to Spanky.
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Well, regardless, the only map I actively even use the bind is on urban which provides no benefit - simply cosmetic. Other maps such as HQ or Swamp raid they help slightly I suppose, but no one plays those maps and night vision is far better. So, to suggest I am ruining the game is ridiculous and rude.
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Heheeey....hold on! Let me get my popcorns....
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I don't see any real slander here either, he just stated what he thought as have done many before him and will do many after him.
As an assist admin, you have to understand others may view your opinion more highly and publicly expressing that is slander against me.
Feels like you're saying we shouldn't publicly express our opinions because someone might find it offensive. I do believe everyone is allowed to express their opinion in most of the world, though.
Furthermore, if you read this forum more, it would be quite clear that Spanky doesn't like multiple accounts. Doesn't mean he will start banning the ones you had before we introduced the one account per PC rule.
And unless you know Spanky is a developer here beforehand (which most players probably don't), you won't really even know to give his opinion a higher value.
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I have several accounts too, and last I checked I think I had those binds too. And I know perfectly well Spanky (and other admins) don't like it, because yes, the binds make the gameplay more comfortable. But like mentionned before, it is NOT considered cheating, otherwise the option wouldn't be there. It's like the famous "fastswapping" that a lot of people use ingame. Sure it gives an advantage compared to those that can't use it, but everybody has the same chances of using it or not so it's up to them ...
Spanky might have been a little hard saying it's people like you who ruin this game, but I don't think it was worth making a forum post about it.
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If we're not allowed to have multiple accounts (which I have 3 and don't see why as it has no affect on anyone or anything) then my fault, I wasn't aware.
You have 6;
.neXus[banana^gun..] used on June 6th 2015
.neXus[hyPe] used on July 5th 2015
.neXus[KeviN] used on February 25th 2015
2+2=5 used on July 1st 2015
hype.ki^ used on April 16th 2015
nsd[hype] used on February 20th 2015
Sure, accounts before Assist existed are allowed. That doesn't escape the fact that there's no valid reason.
However, despite your unpopular and personal belief, using in-game binds for video settings have been used for a very long time by many people especially in the competitive community back in the day. The settings are there for players to use at their own discretion. No, it doesn't give me an unfair advantage over anyone; as you say it does. If no one else was able to do this or if it was a bug that I was abusing, then that would give me an unfair advantage
If they don't give you an advantage, why do you use them?
Alternatively, he could have just sent a PM with his opinion and we could discuss it.
I didn't remember that you had an account on here. Plus, it's better that the community knows what kinds of players are out there. Now that I know, I'll avoid playing with you in the future.
Point is it's part of the game and working as intended. Not a bug, not something no one else can do. Chill.
You need to remember that this engine is OLD. When I first started playing it, I was using some shitty CRT screens. Even with the monitor's built-in brightness maxed out, McKenna looked like Insurgent Camp. This is what those settings are for, to compensate for shitty hardware. Modern LCDs, even 8 year old LCDs don't need these adjustments. Most are pretty good out of the box and those that aren't should be adjusted on the panel itself so everything is constant. These in-game settings are not so you can make maps brighter and see things easier. You think the AA devs didn't test that? You think you know better than a paid level designer with a team of beta players?
Spanky might have been a little hard saying it's people like you who ruin this game, but I don't think it was worth making a forum post about it.
I don't feel I was overly hard on him. It's a fact. For whatever reason, this game really draws out those players that like to seek an advantage and push the limits of what's acceptable. Always trying to tweak, always blasting their ear drums to hear players across the map. It's the same old shit. Assist detects more things but it isn't a perfect system and I realize that. Personally, I feel we should ban for that and ban secondary accounts as well. But if we did, we'd basically kill the game since the majority of players share this mentality. It's always what's ruined this game and makes it difficult for new players to join in.
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He told you why he uses them. For cosmetic reasons. Turning down the brightness on urban doesn't make it easier to see other players or something, it just makes it so it doesn't hurt your eyes. Same thing with insurgant camp for example, it's still dark and requires nightvision and provides no advantage at all. If you honestly believe changing in-game video settings is "ruining the game", you're very delusional. I mean you even suggest that having your volume loud is pushing it lmao. Bad players like you look for any excuse on why better players are better than you when the fact is you're just bad, and you'll always be bad. Sorry.
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The only accounts I have are hype, bananagun, and 2+2=5. The others you just mentioned are name changes from one of those accounts. So no, I'm sorry Mr. KnowItAll - but you're wrong.
Fast swapping is not intended in the game and actually was taken out in future versions. However, video settings...like for real, I can't even ...lmao. This is a fucking joke, every PC game has in-game video settings you can alter. But only AA is providing some advantage over other people? Get real, your mentality is ruining the game, not mine. Whining about shit like this and more than one account? Jesus.
Anyway, I don't use the binds for anything except maps like Urban for the most part as I don't like to be blinded when I play a game. Funny how you say shit in shoutbox the day I use it on URBAN and only that map, look it up tough guy.
Spanky said himself that anyone that wants to have a discussion about this is welcome so for those saying there shouldn't be a post, quiet.
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The only accounts I have are hype, bananagun, and 2+2=5. The others you just mentioned are name changes from one of those accounts. So no, I'm sorry Mr. KnowItAll - but you're wrong.
Fair enough, I didn't (and still haven't) look into it very deep.
Fast swapping is not intended in the game and actually was taken out in future versions. However, video settings...like for real, I can't even ...lmao. This is a fucking joke, every PC game has in-game video settings you can alter.
The issue is that people bind it to keys to change it on the fly to see better in the game. Using things outside their intended purpose to gain an advantage... That's the whole problem. Bugs & glitches are included in that.
But only AA is providing some advantage over other people? Get real, your mentality is ruining the game, not mine. Whining about shit like this and more than one account? Jesus.
The only way my mentality is ruining the game is if I actually banned for this stuff. I'd like to but those kinds of decisions are democratic in Assist and I try to follow the rules that we as a group set out.
Anyway, I don't use the binds for anything except maps like Urban for the most part as I don't like to be blinded when I play a game. Funny how you say shit in shoutbox the day I use it on URBAN and only that map, look it up tough guy.
The admin features in Assist don't tell me when you activate a specific bind, just that you have the bind. I still don't see how it's not an advantage.
This whole thing is pointless anyway. I'm not going to ban you for it and you're still going to do it. I'm just saying it's shitty behavior. Just because something isn't specifically banned or bannable doesn't mean it's "ok". Stopsounds, FixedFPS, Pokes and many others were in-game features that players used for unfair gains, even competitively. The whole issue I have with this is an unfair and uneven playing ground where unassuming new players that don't know all the little allowable glitches are at a significant handicap. It makes for incredibly boring gameplay and an environment where you HAVE to join the tweakers/exploiters in order to even have a chance. Maybe you don't use Gamma/Contrast/Brightness binds for an advantage... the only person that knows is you. I see the binds and comment how ridiculous it is along with the multiple accounts. Neither have a legitimate reason for being in this game. That is all.
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Ok hype, then ignore him. You're not going to change his opinion and he's not going got change yours. I'm sick of the theatrics of this non-issue that you even apparently got other members of your clan to chime in on. I don't know why you want to drag this out (entertainment perhaps?) and I don't really care.
For the record, I agree that complaining about gamma/brightness/contrast settings and saying it's ruining the game is a bit ridiculous, but your theatrics about someone saying that are equally ridiculous. This entire thread is ridiculous, both sides of it.
Do what every other user does and just ignore it. There's really nothing left to be discussed.
Seeing as this devolved from an already iffy "feedback" thread into a stupid argument going nowhere, I'm going to lock this. If you want to drag this out even further for no apparent reason them make a thread in the spam section. :lock: