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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #225 on: Monday, April 27, 2015, 18:53:08 PM »
Vegeta, I agree with you that the global elite class is pretty much scum through and through. I just simply cannot follow your logic on climate change, and though it might not seem like it to you, I do want to come to an understanding here because I'm sick of this thread (I had my fun now it's just tiring), plus I'm passionate about the environment and I think you're a good person who wants to do the right thing. And your side to this debate seems so clear to you that I just spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around what it is that ties all of this conspiracy together for you.

So hear me out and explain this to me...

Are all scientists and journalists in on the lie? Are they working with rich and powerful people to deceive everyone? Or are they ignorant to this big lie, and the scientists conduct their research, and find with 97% agreement that human-induced climate change is occurring despite the fact that it most certainly isn't and it's just a big bankers' lie?

Also, are you saying the climate change narrative is orchestrated by bankers so that they can tax the rich and powerful energy corporations, thus weakening them and strengthening bankers' hold on wealth? Aren't energy bigwigs also in on the Bilderburger meetings? Is there a war playing out between these rich people? Cuz to me it seems they wage war only on the poor. One of my favorite quotes is by Gore Vidal, it goes something like "rich people don't need to meet behind closed doors to conspire because they all already think alike"

I don't wanna lose your trust/comfort with this last line: but really dude don't live in fear of rich and powerful people, it's a terrible rabbit hole to fall into and I know lots of people who have fallen victim to that. I can already see that from that distrust and fear you've passed it on to scientists (climate, evolutionary, probably more), journalists, seemingly all departments of the US government, and I'm sure others...
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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #226 on: Monday, April 27, 2015, 19:39:11 PM »
My mind is completly open. Do you have any thing to counter what I say no.  So dont feel sorry go find some facts. I see you keep coming back with nothing. I believe thats trolling.
To start off, I've just been waken to stand guard by a damn phone in the middle of the night... Thanks, military training! So in other words, I've got time to kill.

The fact is, whether you like it or not, you ARE extremely closed minded in every thread you've made here lately. You strongly believe one position and no matter what anybody else says, this belief will not fall.

If you don't believe that NASA went to the Moon, then Spanky feeling sorry fo you is a valid response. There are conspiracy theories as to why they might not have gone to the Moon, but those can even be explained by Mythbuster, if you care to listen (which I'll guarantee you won't).

I'll quote what you wrote and would like to point out that it works very well to describe you in this thread.
I see you are still acting like a child in the big boys play ground.[--]
You have nothing and you know nothing. Go find something for your selve. You are acting like an imbecile.
One last question for you alone.

DO you have anyhing adult to bring here, to the conversation?
I will guess and say you dont.
Because 90% of your effort goes into trying to discredit everyone else (unsuccessfully, I might add).

Of course, every story has more than one side, so does Climate change, evolution as well as whether or not man went to the Moon. I've seen some points against all three, and frankly I'm not impressed.

I suppose you don't believe in the scientific method. Do you then not believe the whether forecast either?
Granted, they are probably never 100% accurate, but - at least for the next day - they are usually accurate enough.

The same really goes for all of science. You can't expect to get everything 100% right, and nobody has ever claimed they do. However, the scientific method ensures that your results are measurable and reproducable. Given the time, resources and expertise required, anyone should be able to reproduce scientific research.
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it supernatural.

Anyway, I guess I've been all over the place here. Like I said, was just woken up in the middle of the night :)
Anyway, feel free to start trying to insult me again, Vegeta. I might have time to read it, but probably none to reply since this training will only end on the 15th :)

Random stuff here:
"God does not play dice with the universe"
Oh wait, if there is one, it does!

By the way, I've seen the religious type before. Like I said before, they will believe so much that in the end you just can't be bothered to argue.
I remember this guy near a South Carolina town (called Spartanburg) who was trying to hard to convince me to accept the lord as my saviour or whatever. I explained that I don't really wish for this to happen nor is there a reason that I need it. I tried for a long time to rationally explain my percpective, but his eyes were blinded by his and he could therefore not see mine.


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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #227 on: Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 04:24:28 AM »
Forgot first off thanks for a great post of logic and inteligence and courtsey.


Vegeta, I agree with you that the global elite class is pretty much scum through and through.


Agreed


I just simply cannot follow your logic on climate change,

My logic is simple. You have said that 99% agree on global warming. Thats just not true. Thats the govermebts agenda and lies. Look at the white papaer I posted yelling you 21.000 have signed a paper saying its lies.
What have we got to gain from saying this? Nothing.

What has the goverment got to gain. 100 approx new taxes. Have you seen any new taxes in your country.
We have seen about ten I think at a guess. They all went windmill mad. Do you know they cause your countrys radar protection to stop working . A hugh section of your country is ungaurded becuase of windmills. But the need to keep pushing the lie exceeds any threat any way. The told us there was global warming. Your gov and mine . When in fact we all in here excep anticheat said ok it true. evem though you all said there is global warming. Thongh none of you said ok vegeta you are right an d were wrong. You all quoted lies. and then more or less agreed that it was only one degree. Although its less than that. But I let that go.



and though it might not seem like it to you, I do want to come to an understanding here because I'm sick of this thread (I had my fun now it's just tiring), plus I'm passionate about the environment

and I think you're a good person who wants to do the right thing. And your side to this debate seems so clear to you that I just spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around what it is that ties all of this conspiracy together for you.

Well just watch the videos I posted and read the white paper in one of the links I posted. You poted a load of links ,So i did the same to show there are as many agaisnt what they say. But all my links have nothing to gain. They are only people who have lost there job becuase they care.

So hear me out and explain this to me...

Are all scientists and journalists in on the lie?


Some scientists know full well about both evo lies and global lies. But all of them are under the threat of keep to the proggrame or lose your grant. They all have morgages like us.
The biederberg own the media ecept for a very few who are on the net. and some world news broadcast like AL Jazeer. So the media as a whole dont publish anything that contrdicts the programme.



Are they working with rich and powerful people to deceive everyone? Or are they ignorant to this big lie, and the scientists conduct their research, and find with 97% agreement that human-induced climate change is occurring despite the fact that it most certainly isn't and it's just a big bankers' lie?

Most dont know the make there little part of the resaerch and hand it in. If it suits they get a real back slapping. and if it doesnt they will be told in no uncertian terms. And it will be diregaurded. But therre are many ass hole who know how to please people and do just that for the back slap and next pay check thank you very much sir.

Also, are you saying the climate change narrative is orchestrated by bankers so that they can tax the rich and powerful energy corporations, thus weakening them and strengthening bankers' hold on wealth?
The banker role everything they own your country. The stole the right to own your country the land of the trapped. surly you know this? How many rich and powerfull companys do you know who actully pay tax? They dont. SO where is the companys lose. You seem to think if we go green these comanys lose money they are the one who benifit from producing all that is green linked. They had a heads up on making windmills and every solar panel that is produced. They own the companys.




Aren't energy bigwigs also in on the Bilderburger meetings? Is there a war playing out between these rich people? Cuz to me it seems they wage war only on the poor. One of my favorite quotes is by Gore Vidal, it goes something like "rich people don't need to meet behind closed doors to conspire because they all already think alike"

Great quote never heard it before. They are all in this together the bankers are the bielderberg. And yes it is only the poor who pay. all your /our politicians are all back slapping each other because they are all in in under threat together, The higher they are the deeper there in it.
Out ex leader joined america going to war under a lie. Your war chief is the guy who says we must go to war they have weapons of mass destruction and guess who is also they guy who is director of the company who supplies every thing to the AA when it goes to war/ Dick cheaney. Why the hell would you let the guy who is director of the company who supplys all the gear, be the guy who say s we should go to war. Dirty evil bastered s run all countrys.

I don't wanna lose your trust/comfort with this last line: but really dude don't live in fear of rich and powerful people, it's a terrible rabbit hole to fall into and I know lots of people who have fallen victim to that. I can already see that from that distrust and fear you've passed it on to scientists (climate, evolutionary, probably more), journalists, seemingly all departments of the US government, and I'm sure others...

You or anyone else in here cannot hurt or lose me. I really dont get offended by anything. I dont give you the right to do that. Its up to me to get hurt or not And I just dont. I used to. Its part of growing up into Christ. He never got offended. I am learning to do like wise. Fear is not in my vocubulry ( limited as it is :)) I am not in fear even though I am fully aware how big this is. What have I to gain in here wasting time on this drival. Nothing. So in the same way its up to each of you to look at both sides and ignore ME. But most in here are so busy looking at me they. The imaginery piture they have at least. They are putting together a picture of me . Becuase of the way I say what I am saying. So weak.
Words are great possed but the tune is crap. A condeming fear strikes down
Things they cannot understand. An excuse to cover up weaknesses that lie within Lies
Laying your guilt and pain. On people that had no part in the molding of a life
That creates its destruction. Lies. Right before your very eyes
A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny. Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment
Reaching into the minds of those that created. The depression in which they
In which they drowned their flesh and blood. Lies. So easy to blame the
Everlasting fear on a pathetic attempt. To justify the ending of life. Lies
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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #228 on: Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 04:26:05 AM »
teddy as useuall your tripe doesnt deserve a reply.
Words are great possed but the tune is crap. A condeming fear strikes down
Things they cannot understand. An excuse to cover up weaknesses that lie within Lies
Laying your guilt and pain. On people that had no part in the molding of a life
That creates its destruction. Lies. Right before your very eyes
A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny. Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment
Reaching into the minds of those that created. The depression in which they
In which they drowned their flesh and blood. Lies. So easy to blame the
Everlasting fear on a pathetic attempt. To justify the ending of life. Lies
Right before your very eyes. A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny
Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #229 on: Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 13:06:59 PM »
I think I'm done with this thread now, I'll lurk if others want to continue it but this post has to wrap up everything I think about the topic. Vegeta I agree with a lot of what you just said, but nonetheless I still think climate change is occurring rapidly and needs global response. I don't care if it helps the bankers, let them have their fun capitalist game I don't give a shit really. I want the Earth and humanity to survive through the future that climate models predict. If that means bankers get richer for a while, so be it. Lemme let ya in on a little secret though: Climate change response is in many ways about sustainable actions at all scales, individual to corporate and national. When I FIRST introduced climate change to this thread, I said that a proper response would solve countless social problems and it seemed Koden didn't believe me. I'll get to this in a minute, but capitalism as it plays out now is simply not sustainable or logical and everyone knows it (ESPECIALLY the bankers, why would they want people to believe in climate change?)

A proper response to climate change means a strengthening of community ties and community sustainability, to minimize energy consumption for such things as transportation and mass production. It means that we must reconsider, globally, urban and rural zones and their interactions. I am not a techno-optimist (I like cyberpunk but don't really fear a dystopian future cuz for billions of people this is already the dystopian future) so I don't think our factory farms and GMOs can feed the world, I don't think robocops can patrol the world for carbon footprints, and I don't think we can escape to live on a distant exoplanet in a galaxy far away when the Earth dies. That's a lot of "if"s to me, so I'd rather build a windmill, cover cities with solar cells, farm locally and sustainably, build up ties and connections to my neighbors, and CRUSH CAPITALIST PIGS, COMRADE (sarcasm but capitalism and state socialism are both not the answers, and I don't think there's any amount of philosophy or political theory that can find us a solution so everyone needs to change themselves and that'll grow outward). I think the hardest question humanity, and all of us as individuals, face today is the proper way to act and reconciling moral questions with environmental issues. But then again that's kinda my field of study so I guess that WOULD be the hardest question to me.

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It was fun. I trolled a lot, I posted seriously a lot, and maybe it wasn't clear which was which. But I'm done posting now, and this post was serious except for the capitalist pigs part.
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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #230 on: Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 16:53:15 PM »
Well at least you atempted to have an adult conversation and I thank you for that.
Words are great possed but the tune is crap. A condeming fear strikes down
Things they cannot understand. An excuse to cover up weaknesses that lie within Lies
Laying your guilt and pain. On people that had no part in the molding of a life
That creates its destruction. Lies. Right before your very eyes
A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny. Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment
Reaching into the minds of those that created. The depression in which they
In which they drowned their flesh and blood. Lies. So easy to blame the
Everlasting fear on a pathetic attempt. To justify the ending of life. Lies
Right before your very eyes. A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny
Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #231 on: Friday, May 01, 2015, 19:12:33 PM »
'When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.'
ACD
What if you could change the world by changing your perspective of it?
Would you?

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #232 on: Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:25:44 PM »
'When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.'
ACD

Life without intelligent design is impossible. The human eye or any other for that matter did not evolve let alone a whole man.
Words are great possed but the tune is crap. A condeming fear strikes down
Things they cannot understand. An excuse to cover up weaknesses that lie within Lies
Laying your guilt and pain. On people that had no part in the molding of a life
That creates its destruction. Lies. Right before your very eyes
A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny. Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment
Reaching into the minds of those that created. The depression in which they
In which they drowned their flesh and blood. Lies. So easy to blame the
Everlasting fear on a pathetic attempt. To justify the ending of life. Lies
Right before your very eyes. A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny
Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #233 on: Monday, May 04, 2015, 22:13:33 PM »
Life without intelligent design is impossible. The human eye or any other for that matter did not evolve let alone a whole man.
Because you say so?

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #234 on: Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 03:46:53 AM »
Because you say so?

Well you explian it then?
Words are great possed but the tune is crap. A condeming fear strikes down
Things they cannot understand. An excuse to cover up weaknesses that lie within Lies
Laying your guilt and pain. On people that had no part in the molding of a life
That creates its destruction. Lies. Right before your very eyes
A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny. Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment
Reaching into the minds of those that created. The depression in which they
In which they drowned their flesh and blood. Lies. So easy to blame the
Everlasting fear on a pathetic attempt. To justify the ending of life. Lies
Right before your very eyes. A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny
Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #235 on: Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 09:57:04 AM »
Just read all the reply's. I've done this before but it ended bad, so i'm going to be very careful.

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #236 on: Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 16:34:49 PM »
@-Vegeta-, in your level:
The TRUE everyone needs to find by himself, because someone's answers will never be good enough.
What if you could change the world by changing your perspective of it?
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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #237 on: Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 17:04:36 PM »
Just read all the reply's. I've done this before but it ended bad, so i'm going to be very careful.

Well saying nothing is very carefull :)

@   Gekkou Huh? Cat get your tounge?
Words are great possed but the tune is crap. A condeming fear strikes down
Things they cannot understand. An excuse to cover up weaknesses that lie within Lies
Laying your guilt and pain. On people that had no part in the molding of a life
That creates its destruction. Lies. Right before your very eyes
A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny. Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment
Reaching into the minds of those that created. The depression in which they
In which they drowned their flesh and blood. Lies. So easy to blame the
Everlasting fear on a pathetic attempt. To justify the ending of life. Lies
Right before your very eyes. A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny
Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #238 on: Thursday, May 07, 2015, 13:06:05 PM »
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

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Re: SO you dont believe in God.
« Reply #239 on: Thursday, May 07, 2015, 13:19:40 PM »
@   Gekkou

So the difference between me and you is I have a say so, and you hacve wiki. Read the OP dumbass. I clearly siad if you know what your talking about comein and discuss. But you dont know how to express or explain any thing so you run to wiki. I could also run to many soarses. I quoted plenty just like you did. SO do you know what your talking about or not? If you dont know what your talking about stay out with the rest of the ostriches.
Words are great possed but the tune is crap. A condeming fear strikes down
Things they cannot understand. An excuse to cover up weaknesses that lie within Lies
Laying your guilt and pain. On people that had no part in the molding of a life
That creates its destruction. Lies. Right before your very eyes
A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny. Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment
Reaching into the minds of those that created. The depression in which they
In which they drowned their flesh and blood. Lies. So easy to blame the
Everlasting fear on a pathetic attempt. To justify the ending of life. Lies
Right before your very eyes. A reflection of the mistakes. To the end you will deny
Your part in the demise of a life
Lack of comprehension. Thriving on your cliche. Compelled by self-resentment

 

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