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## America's Army => General Chat => Drama & Spam => Topic started by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 16:25:29 PM

Title: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 16:25:29 PM
What do all the brain boxes think of evoution? This is gonna be so fun
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 16:29:47 PM
It might be a dumb question but what's the link between evolution and god?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 16:30:33 PM
your kidding right? there is no god
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 16:37:04 PM
your kidding right? there is no god

Why all the irony? I thought you wanted to have a serious debate, but I must have been mistaken
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 16:51:11 PM
Well the question was asked and you come back with no answer, and a question. Serious debates start witha question and are replied to with an answer. So you got one or not? Your not mistaken just misguided on how it works?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: NoBigDeal on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 16:56:34 PM
What do all the brain boxes think of evoution? This is gonna be so fun
So ... now you are insane ... in exchange..? It's a regression, not evolution.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:02:03 PM
Moved this to the Drama section, because that's just so obviously what you're looking for here.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:06:13 PM
Who the fuck cares? Nobody is going to change someone else's beliefs so why even try? This is a useless thread.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:07:00 PM
Who the fuck cares? Nobody is going to change someone else's beliefs so why even try? This is a useless thread.
Which is why I moved it to this section, no thanks are in order :D
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Alex on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:07:57 PM
no thanks are in order :D
Good, because you were never going to get one. :P
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Carmy on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:10:23 PM
your kidding right? there is no god
He is watching you right now !! And saying where did I go wrong !!! With his hand on his forehead
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:10:46 PM
You do realize you're effectively asking 'what do you guys think of the human brain?'. In both cases, it's immensely complex to the point where nobody truly fully understands it's intricate workings.

What's your point though? If you're just trying to stir up shit, you picked the wrong subject. Evolution can be physically seen in a matter of days with real biological life.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Koden on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:18:20 PM
He is watching you right now !! And saying where did I go wrong !!! With his hand on his forehead

Like this?

Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Carmy on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 17:19:38 PM
Like this?

LMAO>>
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Archeh on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 20:44:18 PM
I believe that evolution occurs in all life, except humans. I don't think we came from apes but rather that God made us in his image and put us on this Earth so that we could pwn the noob animals and use all the resources, then he'll Rapture us to heaven and start us all over on another planet.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: =IGC=-=W!CK!D on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 22:22:51 PM
I belive in the devil does that count for anything
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, April 07, 2015, 22:34:56 PM
I belive in the devil does that count for anything
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 02:52:01 AM
Well the question was asked and you come back with no answer, and a question. Serious debates start witha question and are replied to with an answer. So you got one or not? Your not mistaken just misguided on how it works?

The way I see it there's evolution up to a certain point.
In some sectors the evolution can save life, but in other sectors like NBG said it's more like  evolution is causing regression. We've evolved in all that's computers, internet, etc but we've regressed in our social lives.

Also I feel like in certain areas of the world people are over-consuming things thinking it's normal for them to do so. Perhaps we're just used to live in a more "luxured" world where everything has to go very fast.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 04:45:31 AM
So teady and killaman think all you numb nuts are incapable of having an adult conversation. Spanky thinks its to stir up shit.
So its been removed from the adult section to the childrens section.

Lets see if we can all prove them wrong by having an adult discussion.

Fist of I would like to say dont copy paste wiki here I have no interest in what anyone who is not here to enter the discussion. If you know what you are talking about speak up if you dont watch and make your own mind up one way or an other.
So to start of the adult conversation I will ask the question again.

Do you believe in what Darwin said in his book Origins of life. Do you agree with Richard dawkins?

Nice if you can add why you believe in it. if you cant say why just a yes no. Just to make a start.
Ganja say he believes in some. Depending on what he means I might be agreeing with him. Need more info Ganja.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 04:47:37 AM
@wicked this should have been in the other thread go ask there.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 04:51:39 AM
Which is why I moved it to this section, no thanks are in order :D
Who the fuck cares? Nobody is going to change someone else's beliefs so why even try? This is a useless thread.

See this is how you dont learn lets not speak about anything. Lets throw out all the books. Lets stick our head up our ass like killaman, and we will all learn nothing together. Eh no thanks I like to learn and I also have the option of changing my mind and saying well I was wrong. I never new that. Thanks how I think I do change and adapt. But going on your advice. I hope your not a teacher.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 04:57:08 AM
You do realize you're effectively asking 'what do you guys think of the human brain?'. In both cases, it's immensely complex to the point where nobody truly fully understands it's intricate workings.

What's your point though? If you're just trying to stir up shit, you picked the wrong subject. Evolution can be physically seen in a matter of days with real biological life.
Read it again Spanky am quite sure its clear enough for you to understand. Nothing to do with the brain. Nothing at all.

We all Christians believe that MACRO evolution takes place. Thats a fact. But its not the big question. Macros a fact.
Stirring up shit nope just want to point out all the lies that most people believe to be fact and I am quite sure the same lies will come up here. Dont take offence watch and see.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 05:09:02 AM
Ganja say he believes in some. Depending on what he means I might be agreeing with him. Need more info Ganja.

But like Spanky said, the subject is so large I am not sure what should be said. There's thousands of sorts of evolution.

About Darwin's book, I believe in the evolution theorie. I do believe that genetics change in order to adapt to the world in order to have a better chance of surviving. But I didn't read his book so I couldn't really tell more. But you can enlighten me if you know more :D
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Nip! on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 07:08:11 AM
I do believe in God, I believe in Allah, he is my god, he is my bodyguard!
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ares on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 09:26:55 AM
This thread is so fucking pale in comparison to the old tracker forums OT god discussions with huronking chanting like a priest, THEUNDERTAKER writing in caps, some mod deleting posts left and right, total chaos and the americans were in such horror that most of us europeans would burn in hell for not beliveing.
I do not belive, in god, but mostly I don't support the multi billion corporation that today is christianity and it's made up god, based on made up scriptures by power hungry men, preached by pedophile men in white robes.
Christians summed up:

Yeah....I'm back.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Ok plouging through the childrens section who as spanky,killaman and teady siad are incapable of haveing an adult discussion. And it seem they are correct for at least some of them in here. I should have known. But hey I like to give people a chance because I dont know whats at your heart.
So moving on to the section were adults can join in.

Ganja there are not thousands of sorts of evoloution. And the subjest is not so large. Its either true or its not.

There are six types of evoloution.
1. Chemical
2.Cosmic
3, steller
4. macro
5. organic
6. Micro
The only one that we know for a fact that works and know for a fact because we can see it is MICRO.
The rest of them are theory. So what ever we do or do not believe we need to back it up with Facts.
The reason I dont want wiki is because people like to read 10 seconds with and paste a load of stuff they never read them selves.
So lets stick to what we understand and have read.
So really boils down to there is no monkey to man evidence, It has never been observed there for its theory.
For it to be science it has to be obseved.

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noun: science

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
"the world of science and technology"
synonyms:   branch of knowledge, body of knowledge/information/facts, area of study, discipline, field
"the science of criminology"
a particular area of science.
plural noun: sciences
"veterinary science"
a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.
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knowledge of any kind.
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Nice copy paste there.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 12:40:18 PM

Ganja there are not thousands of sorts of evoloution. And the subjest is not so large. Its either true or its not.

There are six types of evoloution.
1. Chemical
2.Cosmic
3, steller
4. macro
5. organic
6. Micro
The only one that we know for a fact that works and know for a fact because we can see it is MICRO.
The rest of them are theory. So what ever we do or do not believe we need to back it up with Facts.
The reason I dont want wiki is because people like to read 10 seconds with and paste a load of stuff they never read them selves.
So lets stick to what we understand and have read.
So really boils down to there is no monkey to man evidence, It has never been observed there for its theory.
For it to be science it has to be obseved.

It's either true or not? You're talking as if evolution was a religion or something. I mean evolution is real and proven, atleast that's what I've always learnt 100%. It's science and it has been observed. Not like God
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Lord-of-War on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 12:53:53 PM
what do you want Vegeta ? The "adult"  Vegeta teaching all the little kiddies
about evolution now.Is this a joke ? There is no valid point anyone can make against
evolution.The rest is all church bullshit or conspiracy theories

Well, you can believe your God formed some specimen out of mud or a rib or whatever.
There are even states within the US that don't allow the schools to teach evolution -
how fucking backward can you be.If anyone believes in the Adam and Eve Story he must be
quite a retard.I think we all know what science is.
Do you enjoy being a gobshyte?
Become a preacherman - perfect Job for you -
all the sheep will come for Vegeta's healing Hands  :shock:

Believe in whatever - if it makes you happy - but don't force it onto others.
And that is the bottom line - like the fireman says  :D

Lord-of-War  :style:
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
Read it again Spanky am quite sure its clear enough for you to understand. Nothing to do with the brain. Nothing at all.

If you can't understand basic analogies, you're not going to understand any argument outside your own beliefs.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -[unR]BENDAWICH on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 13:28:05 PM
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:07:32 PM
It's either true or not? You're talking as if evolution was a religion or something. I mean evolution is real and proven, atleast that's what I've always learnt 100%. It's science and it has been observed. Not like God

So Ganja what of the 6 types I mentiond are true Theres only one that has been observed the rest are theory. Please supply some examples of the others that are true? And have been observed?
And evolution is a religeon for some.

Lord never read your post after a few lines. The god thread is over in the other thread. This is nothing to do with God adam or any one else.

Spanky I completly understand that I gave you more credit than you actully deserved, but I always do that with everyone. You seem like you have nothing to add here either. But time will tell. Really disapointed with you in the other thread. I just thought of all the people here you had more than any of them.

If anyone in here replys with garbage you wont get a rise from me.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Koden on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:15:55 PM
I'm not a religious person myself, but i do find several christian religious dogmas to be rather odd, and leaving less room for personal interpretation and reflection in comparison to other religions. As the Devil or evil entities.

http://www.comparativereligion.com/evil.html (http://www.comparativereligion.com/evil.html)
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:30:27 PM
If anyone in here replys with garbage you wont get a rise from me.
I'll post just for the sake of not getting a rise from you.

You say evololution is a religon for some, then that would imply it's fact for others.

I also love how your main argument is that everyone else has nothing to offer. Well it's true, since you're only looking for confirmation to your own ideas and will not accept or even see any other views.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:35:03 PM
I mentioned at the start there are 42000 Denominations. Thats a lot of mixed up stuff. So people look at someone who say I am a Christian and thiing that what Christ is. If they look like Christ then theres a good chance they are Christians. But there is so much crap been done like the crusades as someone mentioned,murdering witches and people who were not witches. This is not Chritanity. But unfortunatly people think that was all God and we dont have free will even those who claim to be Christians. So because of all the disrupte thats gone on through the years you now have a world full of hatred towards a God they dont know or even try to know. I understand why they feel that way. Christians have preached lie after lie from churches telling us trust God and everything will be ok. say this prayer and go to heaven. That is not what Christ preached. So they tell lies and people have had enough of the mixed views of the varing churches. 42000 churches is a bloody shambles. there is no room for personal interritations but man has made it that way. The true church lived for about 400 years and then it was mostly destroyed after the mayrters. Then curruption came in and satan had his way and mostly evril greedy men took over and used it to rip it out of the masses. Popes and kings abused it to murder who ever was in there road. It was not lead with real Christians for any amount of time as a majority ever since. between5 and 10% of the world popuation are basic Christians and will go to heaven. ( That is not all of the church will go) Then there are in MY esitmate a very few Christians who are walking as thee manifested sons of God today. Very very few. But they are riasing up now faster than ever before. I am gessing none of you have ever heard of rvivals in Scotland and Wales? These where passing manifestations of God. But the next ones are permanent. Even the most ignorant will be on there knees. Knowing God is real.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:40:40 PM
I also love how your main argument is that everyone else has nothing to offer. Well it's true, since you're only looking for confirmation to your own ideas and will not accept or even see any other views.

^^ This is why my replies have been dwindling in this thread. We've had these discussions before and they get nowhere.

The only things I have to say are this;

- Provide proof god exists. It's not about convincing others to believe, it's about ending religious conflict in the world. Wouldn't god/Jesus want you do help your fellow man and make the world a better place? If you say no and it's not your job to convince others or prove anything, that's a total cop-out like religion in whole. It's all about relinquishing control on your life and blaming a higher power for your problems.

- Provide a reasonable argument as to why we need religion/god. If you can't provide proof, at least provide a legitimate reason as to why people need it. Using it as a crutch in life isn't a legitimate reason.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:43:10 PM
I'll post just for the sake of not getting a rise from you.
You wont :)

You say evololution is a religon for some, then that would imply it's fact for others.

It is for them a fact. That doesnt make it a fact does it?

I also love how your main argument is that everyone else has nothing to offer.

Quite sure I said in here I am open to anything anyone has to offer? Have another look instaed of looking for fault.
From what you and the majority posted in both treads looks like I am right dont you think. You added nothing to the othe4r thread and looks like your doing the same here not to get a rise out of me :)

Well it's true, since you're only looking for confirmation to your own ideas and will not accept or even see any other views.

Hmmm. Can you confirm what in my head from your assumptions. From what I acttuly posted in this thread?
I dont need conformation from you or anyone on this or the other subject that you added nothing to any way.

I will say it again for the sake of clarity. I am open to learn from anyone who has more information than I have at present, I dont think I will get it here. Going on what I seen in here for as long as I have been here.

You boys take it all so personal. Dont let anyone  get head time for free with you. I know I dont.

Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:45:39 PM
^^ This is why my replies have been dwindling in this thread. We've had these discussions before and they get nowhere.

The only things I have to say are this;

- Provide proof god exists. It's not about convincing others to believe, it's about ending religious conflict in the world. Wouldn't god/Jesus want you do help your fellow man and make the world a better place? If you say no and it's not your job to convince others or prove anything, that's a total cop-out like religion in whole. It's all about relinquishing control on your life and blaming a higher power for your problems.

- Provide a reasonable argument as to why we need religion/god. If you can't provide proof, at least provide a legitimate reason as to why people need it. Using it as a crutch in life isn't a legitimate reason.

The thread is still open. This thread is not about God. I will copy paste this in the other thread and aswer it for you.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:55:31 PM
I dont need conformation from you or anyone on this or the other subject that you added nothing to any way.
If you didn't need confirmation, you wouldn't need to make these threads.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 14:59:01 PM
If you didn't need confirmation, you wouldn't need to make these threads.

I am allowed to make conversation in here yes?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 15:04:35 PM
I am allowed to make conversation in here yes?

I have yet to distinguish the real subject of the discussion. Evolution? What about it?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 15:11:10 PM
I am allowed to make conversation in here yes?
Of course you are. That's what we're doing here. But what everyone else is saying doesn't suit you for some reason.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 15:50:46 PM
Of course you are. That's what we're doing here. But what everyone else is saying doesn't suit you for some reason.

No one really said anything I think the subject it to far for most.
even Ganja needs to look at my op to get the answere for his last post. Hey if Its to much for every one just leave it guys dont get upset.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 15:56:42 PM
No one really said anything I think the subject it to far for most.
even Ganja needs to look at my op to get the answere for his last post. Hey if Its to much for every one just leave it guys dont get upset.

You OP doesn't say shit. You can have a discussion about how good or bad evolution is, but not wheter or not you believe in evolution. You keep talking about christians and god so it confuses everyone because you want a discussion about evolution, not religion
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 15:59:42 PM
You OP doesn't say shit. You can have a discussion about how good or bad evolution is, but not wheter or not you believe in evolution. You keep talking about christians and god so it confuses everyone because you want a discussion about evolution, not religion
You're wrong there, Ganja.

He wants to discuss god, but uses evolution as an excuse.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:01:38 PM

So to clarify for you. Evolution is a load of lies. There is only macro. we know that. The rest is crap lies.
Three pages and you dont know what the question was at the start. Surly you know now.?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:03:58 PM
You're wrong there, Ganja.

He wants to discuss god, but uses evolution as an excuse.

Can you show me where I asked to talk about God?  Maybe you will choose to ignore this to cover the crap your talking. This is really going over everryones head. I now feel really clever. I never knew there were so many dunces out there lol.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:06:29 PM
Can you show me where I asked to talk about God?  Maybe you will choose to ignore this to cover the crap your talking. This is really going over everryones head. I now feel really clever. I never knew there were so many dunces out there lol.
You didn't say it anywhere.
But it's just so obvious.

You just want everyone else to "feel god" or whatever.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:08:04 PM
You didn't say it anywhere.
But it's just so obvious.

You just want everyone else to "feel god" or whatever.

So what is your point your just trying to trash me and God. What s up man? why you attacking me? I aint hurt or offende you dont have the ability to do that I dont give that to any one
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:10:11 PM
So what is your point your just trying to trash me and God. What s up man? why you attacking me? I aint hurt or offende you dont have the ability to do that I dont give that to any one
I don't see where I offended or trashed you nor god, especially in that post.

If anything, I said you're doing - at least in your own mind (and maybe in god's as well? I don't know) - a good job, you're preaching.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:11:27 PM

So to clarify for you. Evolution is a load of lies. There is only macro. we know that. The rest is crap lies.
Three pages and you dont know what the question was at the start. Surly you know now.?

I'm sorry I tried my best to understand you but you're too hardcore into this kind of weird discussions.

Evolution is a load of lies and God is real. Nuff said for me
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:11:43 PM
I don't see where I offended or trashed you nor god, especially in that post.

If anything, I said you're doing - at least in your own mind (and maybe in god's as well? I don't know) - a good job, you're preaching.

Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:16:25 PM
You know, whatever I answer, whether it makes sense or not, you will say it doesn't or try to insult me.

And when I don't answer, you think it's too hard for me.

But this is the spam section, so I figured I'd post anyway :)

Oh and by the way, if you want a discussion that's not about god, you might not want to include that in the title.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:26:25 PM
You made it about God not me fact. I am starting to see you twist it now so clear.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ganja on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:28:23 PM
If you wanted a serious discussion about evolution you have have made a topic with the title: Evolution.

And your OP would have been: what do you guys think about evolution?

But no you called your topic "SO you don't believe in God" and then continued with this OP whicch really makes you want to start a serious discussion:

What do all the brain boxes think of evoution? This is gonna be so fun
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 16:33:40 PM
You made it about God not me fact. I am starting to see you twist it now so clear.
Well, the thing is, if someone sends me an email titled 'Cheap penis pills', I wouldn't really look at it even if it contained something useful.
So in other words, having the title as close to what you want to say is the best approach.
The same is with this thread. By using this title you failed from the start.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 17:10:17 PM
Ganja you talking crap. If you wanted a serious dicussion you would have had one.
But maybe you are really confused . Sorry if you are . Teddy you have nothing I said it at the start and you proved it all the way from the start. Just sorry there is so much ignorance when I know full well its not nessiery. All the dronos dropped away. But you and ganja persisted more than any with nothing but shit. But evey time you post reaveal more of you and I understand you better in the process.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 17:21:24 PM
Ganja you talking crap. If you wanted a serious dicussion you would have had one.
But maybe you are really confused . Sorry if you are . Teddy you have nothing I said it at the start and you proved it all the way from the start. Just sorry there is so much ignorance when I know full well its not nessiery. All the dronos dropped away. But you and ganja persisted more than any with nothing but shit. But evey time you post reaveal more of you and I understand you better in the process.
I'm glad  you understand me all so well :)

Do you want me to explain how the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equation has soliton like solutions?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 18:39:11 PM
I told you no copy pasting crap smart ass dumb as they come caught lol

Abstract:

We consider the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equations $u_t + (u_{xx} + u^p )_x = 0,\,t,x \in R,$ in the subcritical and critical cases p = 2,3,4 or 5. Let $R_j (t,x) = Qc_i (x - c_j t - x_j )$ , where $j \in \{ 1,...,N\}$ , be N soliton solutions of this equation, with corresponding speeds 0 < c₁ < C₂ <. . . < $C_N$ . In this paper, we construct a solution u(t) of the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equation such that $_{t \to + \infty }^{\lim } \left\| {u(t) - \mathop \Sigma \limits_{j = 1}^N R_j \left\| {_{\scriptstyle \hfill \atop \scriptstyle H1(R) \hfill} } \right. = 0.} \right.$ This solution behaves asymptotically as t → +∞ as the sum of N solitons without loss of mass by dispersion. This is an exceptional behavior, indeed, being given the parameters $\{ c_j \} _{1 \le j \le N} .\{ x_j \} _{1 \le j \le N} .$ we prove uniqueness of such a solution. In the integrable cases p = 2 and 3, such solutions are explicitly known and their properties were extensively studied in the literature (they are called N-soliton solutions). Therefore, the existence result is new only for the nonintegrable cases. The uniqueness result is new for all cases.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 01:17:20 AM
I don't need to copy paste anything on this subject. This is something I've been studying.
However, you seem to like copy-pasting some LaTeX for me, great.

But now when you copied that lovely piece of text, what does it mean? Do you understand it? What is the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equation? What is a soliton? What's a solution?

And I'll help you understand that text you copied by "decoding" the LaTeX for you (it's the bit between all the $'s): (https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0Mxfxdo.gif&hash=1f7445ce5645dd4dd4f78c11fcf770f1) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 03:48:40 AM Ok I get this I started a thread on two subjecys you know knowthing about and you feel a little left of so now you want to show everyone how cleaver you are there a clever boy off you go now and start your own thread and see who wants to talk to you. Stop strying to drial my thread as admin you should know better but obviously dont. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 04:28:25 AM Ok I get this I started a thread on two subjecys you know knowthing about and you feel a little left of so now you want to show everyone how cleaver you are there a clever boy off you go now and start your own thread and see who wants to talk to you. Stop strying to drial my thread as admin you should know better but obviously dont. You're right, I don't know much about this subject (and it's the same for both, don't kid yourself), but my point is, I don't care. As I've said before, I took the threads as what they were, attempt to get some drama going, and helped you achieved it. It's called feeding the troll. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 04:32:58 AM Well you know best well done. Now are you done or are you going to act like a child for much longer. I really cant see what hurt you so much. You need to get a grip on your life and dont let people get in to you so much . seems I can do it with out ever trying. One day you will look back and say you know what he was right. You want start your own thread becaus ethe fact is no one cares about your subject. Its not called feeding the troll is called childish where I come from. your hurt is pathetic man. Grow up. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 05:13:56 AM You think you hurt me? How cute :) This is just my hourly fun corner ;) Keep calm, my friend! Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 09:23:33 AM This thread is not about God. Then why the f you got the title with the word God? How funny the title sounds and just so obvious you wanted this drama argument. Go back to your office and have argument there. OLD vegeta is back, so all is said. No one cares about your thread! Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: NoBigDeal on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 09:55:45 AM OffTopic (which - obviously - has nothing to do with evolution or God): @-Vegeta-: You know what, I'll tell you a big secret: There is a real world outside, real people ... just look out the window - you see ..? No? Ooh, there is no window in your room ... Alright ... You see the door? Outside that door is a magnificent real world - just waiting for you ... You will be able to touch it, smell it even talk to the real people - you will feel strange at first - it's so different from your safe cyber-world, but don't be afraid, turn off your computer, get up and take the small steps, open this door and go outside ... ... What's the problem ..? The door doesn't have a handle? OoK ... Just stay calm, don't panic ... soon, someone very nice will help you. Can someone call hes doctor - do not forget sedatives. No no no, stop banging your head against the wall - you can't break it, remember? Guys ..? Any time now ..? BTW: Since when in psychiatric, lunatics have access to the internet? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 11:10:29 AM You think you hurt me? How cute :) This is just my hourly fun corner ;) Keep calm, my friend! calm? where do i look like I am not calm in any of my posts? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ELiZ on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 11:22:33 AM Quote SO you dont believe in God. No. Quote What do all the brain boxes think of evoution? In my mind it is no longer the Theory of Evolution, but rather the Fact Of Evolution, do you disagree? You have the right to believe what ever you like, but I fail to see any real difference in what you believe and the creation story of belief systems like Mormons and Scientology, that is My right to think that. We all know that topics like these are pointless, none of us will have any change in opinion because what is written here- Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Ganja on Thursday, April 09, 2015, 12:17:28 PM We all know that topics like these are pointless, none of us will have any change in opinion because what is written here- Everyone seems to think that, but I find it "interesting" to see what people believe and how they defend their beliefs Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 10, 2015, 10:45:16 AM Hey Eliz. Yes you have a right to believe what ever you like. So you think its a fact of evo? Thats good but do you have any facts to back up what you think is real? because there is no evidence of macro evo. So unless you just found some latley. I would have to hear from you about it? As for scieintoligists and all the others out there, you dont know the difference then, you would need to look a little closer. No point in looking at most of the churches or christians that you know. As you will be dissapointed. Because there is no difference from them and the poeple in the pub. other than they believe theres is a God. But very few of the Christians in the world, actully has a relation ship with God. Ganja I dont need to defend my faith as no one tried to take it away :) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Lord-of-War on Friday, April 10, 2015, 16:57:56 PM Has Evolution Been Proven? No, it has not been. Many creationists would be content to end this essay there, but in reality, the situation is not so simple. To argue against the theory of evolution by saying that it “hasn’t been proven” is to demonstrate a severe misunderstanding of the nature of science, which this essay will endeavor to correct. It is true that the theory of evolution has not been proven – if, by that term, one means established beyond any further possibility of doubt or refutation. On the other hand, neither has atomic theory, the theory of relativity, quantum theory, or indeed any other theory in science. The reason for this is that science does not deal in absolute proof, only in the balance of the evidence. To see why this is and must be true, imagine that we are scientists seeking to explain some feature of the natural world. Based on the evidence available to us, we can construct a hypothesis – an educated guess – which we offer as that explanation. If more evidence turns up that supports our hypothesis, if our hypothesis is testable and falsifiable, and if our hypothesis can be used to make predictions which turn out to be correct – if all these things are true, then our hypothesis graduates to the status of a theory and, in time, becomes accepted scientific wisdom. But how do we really know the original hypothesis is true? What if it completely misses the mark, but gives the right answers just by coincidence? Or what if it is just an approximation, giving generally correct answers while failing to capture the true reality of what is going on? How can we ever be sure that these things are not the case? The answer is, of course, that we cannot know this. This is why no scientific theory, including evolution, is ever considered to be proven. The more evidence that accumulates to support a theory, the more our confidence in it grows. Eventually, a point may be reached where the quantity of evidence supporting the theory is so vast, so overwhelming, that further attempts to deny or question it would be futile and unfounded. This is the case with the theory of evolution, as it is the case with the other theories, such as the atomic theory of matter or the theory of plate tectonics, that form the pillars of modern science. But this is not absolute proof. Not even the best-supported, most thoroughly verified theories of science are put on a pedestal and considered infallible, since at any time, some shocking new piece of evidence might turn up that completely contradicts accepted knowledge. We have no way of knowing that this will not happen in the future. This is not to imply that the theory of evolution is in any way tentative or uncertain. On the contrary, it is extremely robust, backed by over a hundred years of research, experiment and observation. In all that time, not a single piece of evidence that seriously contradicts any part of it has ever turned up. Within the scientific community, evolution is not at all controversial and is no longer questioned; it is considered to be a fact, as simple and indisputable as gravity. While it can never be absolutely proven, it has come as close to attaining this status as it is possible for any scientific theory to be. To attack evolution by labeling it an “unproven theory” misses the point entirely. There is a saying in some scientific circles: “Proof is for mathematics and alcohol.” Lord-of-War :style: Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, April 10, 2015, 17:22:16 PM Lovely post! :) One of the thing about most science or the scientific theories you describe is that they are often approximations. It doesn't mean they're incorrect, but they might be correct only in certain instances or to a certain degree of accuracy. An easy example is how we view movement and speed. If you're travelling at a small speed compared to the speed of light, adding 2 movements together is very easy and does seem to give the right answer. However, if you consider special relativity, you'll see that the calculations get quite a lot more complicated. And you'll also see that the answer is almost the same at low speeds, yet drastically different at speeds close to that of light. This doesn't mean that the classical way is wrong, it's just only correct at small speeds. And that's just one simple example. There are just so many places where something like this is used, most models nowadays are linear while a lot of the processes themselves are nonlinear for example. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Southofheaven on Friday, April 10, 2015, 18:04:34 PM God's name is Jimmy paga and he played guitar in a band called led zeppelin. Peace Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Possessed on Friday, April 10, 2015, 18:30:29 PM 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 24“The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! 26 “So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c] 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2010 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2010) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 10, 2015, 18:38:16 PM Lovely post! :) One of the thing about most science or the scientific theories you describe is that they are often approximations. It doesn't mean they're incorrect, but they might be correct only in certain instances or to a certain degree of accuracy. An easy example is how we view movement and speed. If you're travelling at a small speed compared to the speed of light, adding 2 movements together is very easy and does seem to give the right answer. However, if you consider special relativity, you'll see that the calculations get quite a lot more complicated. And you'll also see that the answer is almost the same at low speeds, yet drastically different at speeds close to that of light. This doesn't mean that the classical way is wrong, it's just only correct at small speeds. And that's just one simple example. There are just so many places where something like this is used, most models nowadays are linear while a lot of the processes themselves are nonlinear for example. Lol what a joke and you are just stupid enough to believe that this dunce (Lord) actully wrote this tripe lol. what a pair of dunces . Lord you were told at the start dont bring me your copy paste shit here. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/has-evolution-been-proven/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/has-evolution-been-proven/) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Lord-of-War on Friday, April 10, 2015, 19:00:41 PM For sure I didn't write it myself you holy retard. And the things you write all come out of your little brain - do they ? Hardly ! I was told at the start lol - who are you to tell me anything ? It was just an attempt to close this stupid thread of yours. But for sure you don't like it - cause it makes your argument about the so called "proof" obsolete. There is no proof for anything you waffle on - so what's the damn point of all this may I ask ? Do you have any friends ? Or do you spend your time now flooding this forum with your crap? I am sick and tired of arrogant, self-indulged people wasting mine and other people's time with their nonsense Go and fuck your bible Lord-of-War :style: Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 01:48:58 AM Lol what a joke and you are just stupid enough to believe that this dunce (Lord) actully wrote this tripe lol. what a pair of dunces . Lord you were told at the start dont bring me your copy paste shit here. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/has-evolution-been-proven/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/has-evolution-been-proven/) It doesn't really matter who wrote it, my answer to it would still have been the same. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 06:40:08 AM No it does matter teddy. you were all told if you dont know what your talking about keep out. Any thing I say lord I do understand I dont need to copy paste or google what I speak on. I knew before I looked, you never wrote it lord ,because you never wrote anything any where near as inteligently wrong as that post. Lord your so hurt man dont let anyone get into your head like that/ Ypu need to grow in maturity and stop letting all the little demons eat your launch. No one gets my launch. Nothing derogative you say gets to me nothing you cant offened me in any way shape or form. The only thing you could do to pick up my ears is say something intelligent. That would work for me. But you and many others have nothing to say with any value in here. Because of you and there lack of courtsey,knowledge. So its pretty rediculas to mention anything in here that would exceed primery school language. I tried and failed . You know nothing of God or evolution and yet to see anyone inhere who deos know anything on either subject. But you cant blame me for trying to raise the bar in here. Maybe Eliz has someting lets wait an see. I believe I already know what he is going to say from his forsit post. It was all said in there. But lets see. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Ganja on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 06:51:05 AM You know nothing of God There's nothing to know about something that doesn't exist. Why are you bringing god in this discussion AGAIN Vegeta. You were told from the start that god has nothing to do with evolution. Oh and what's wrong with Lord's copy paste? You don't know if he understands it or not, who are you to judge. He took his knowledge from that link, you took your knowledge from a book thousand of years old. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 07:54:24 AM I dont need to copy paste or google what I speak on. Abstract: We consider the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equations$u_t + (u_{xx} + u^p )_x = 0,\,t,x \in R,$in the subcritical and critical cases p = 2,3,4 or 5. Let$R_j (t,x) = Qc_i (x - c_j t - x_j )$, where$j \in \{ 1,...,N\} $, be N soliton solutions of this equation, with corresponding speeds 0 < c₁ < C₂ <. . . <$C_N $. In this paper, we construct a solution u(t) of the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equation such that$_{t \to + \infty }^{\lim } \left\| {u(t) - \mathop \Sigma \limits_{j = 1}^N R_j \left\| {_{\scriptstyle \hfill \atop \scriptstyle H1(R) \hfill} } \right. = 0.} \right.$This solution behaves asymptotically as t → +∞ as the sum of N solitons without loss of mass by dispersion. This is an exceptional behavior, indeed, being given the parameters$\{ c_j \} _{1 \le j \le N} .\{ x_j \} _{1 \le j \le N} .$we prove uniqueness of such a solution. In the integrable cases p = 2 and 3, such solutions are explicitly known and their properties were extensively studied in the literature (they are called N-soliton solutions). Therefore, the existence result is new only for the nonintegrable cases. The uniqueness result is new for all cases. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Lord-of-War on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 09:13:01 AM Vegeta - I have lived in different places of this world and I think I have experienced more in life than you ever will. So call me a dunce I don't really care. I am not a native English Speaker, but I think my English suffices. The article I copied just explains how science works - that's all - and if you refuse to understand or comprehend any other opinion - what's the use talking to you.You are one of the true believers and your booking to heaven has been confirmed.Until then be the gobshyte you wanna be and put yourself above the bible, evolution, science...... - you know it all Baby - you are so marvelous the whole universe shines out your ass with an approval stamp of God of course - which only you understand and no one else - cause you are the Chosen One - let's not forget this. I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what people say to you - because you always want to have the last word and you refuse to come out of the little dreamworld you are living in. So enjoy the endless conversations with yourself - I am simply not interested any more in whatever you have to say - there is basically no use talking to someone like you. And that's it for me - The Chapter Vegeta is closed once and for all Lord-of-War :style: Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 11:48:02 AM There's nothing to know about something that doesn't exist. Why are you bringing god in this discussion AGAIN Vegeta. You were told from the start that god has nothing to do with evolution. Oh and what's wrong with Lord's copy paste? You don't know if he understands it or not, who are you to judge. He took his knowledge from that link, you took your knowledge from a book thousand of years old. Your as think as him if you think he wrote it lol Ganja you dont desrve a reply as you wee never in the duisscusion becauce you are as ignorant as the reast I mentioned. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 11:51:38 AM I never spoke on it. I quoted you . once again for an admin you acting really dumb cause your hurt. Quite fascinating reading all the crap you post though keep it going. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:03:15 PM (https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft.qkme.me%2F355t1j.jpg&hash=6095481b72c1be3498aef643c7841896) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:12:38 PM Vegeta - I have lived in different places of this world and I think I have experienced more in life than you ever will. So your traveld I an fairly traveld to. Born in Scotland been to england Ireland and wales. Germany, France, Belgium,Finland. Austrialia. Indonesia. Holland. Traveling make no difference to your inteligence level. So call me a dunce I don't really care. If you act the way you do and talk the way you talk you leave me no coise but to call you dumb. Its up to you what I call you not me. Not sure if you will understand that. I dont think you will. If you didnt care why doo you keep running back saying the same old crap. Becuase I am in your mind and you cant deal with it. am not a native English Speaker, but I think my English suffices. I would say it does. Its no your English thats the problem its you lack of inteligence. You dont have basic discussion skills. You make braod sweeping statements that any one would recognize as tripe. The article I copied just explains how science works - that's all - and if you refuse to understand or comprehend any other opinion - what's the use talking to you. Yes And you were told DONT COPY PASTE BECAUSE THE MAN WHO WROTE IT IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND IT. AND YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT ENOUGHT TO DEBATE ON IT. Thats really clear for me but you once again dont read to good. You are one of the true believers and your booking to heaven has been confirmed. Indeed. And you could be to. Until then be the gobshyte you wanna be and put yourself above the bible, evolution, science...... - you know it all Baby - you are so marvelous the whole universe shines out your ass with an approval stamp of God of course - which only you understand and no one else - cause you are the Chosen One - let's not forget this. See you now confirm once again that its safe to call you a dunce with a capital D. Not me you confirm it when you talk like a child. I never saw one person in here bring anything to the table with reagred to what the thread was supposed to be about. Its very clear if you have one single brain cell. But most in here got confused with the title. Confiriming that yes next to most in here I am a genuis. :) But this is the only place where that is so . So Because I am reasonably inteligent I dont go any where else telling them that is the case. :) I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what people say to you - because you always want to have the last word and you refuse to come out of the little dreamworld you are living in. I have come to the conclusion that not one person brought any thing to discuss. Did you not see that? Maybe you could show me what anyone brought. I never seen such a bare forum in my puff. Other than the trash you all talk about. Raising the bar in here is really difficult. Other than gaming. The game is great and I thank all who are involved. So enjoy the endless conversations with yourself - I am simply not interested any more in whatever you have to say - there is basically no use talking to someone like you. And that's it for me - The Chapter Vegeta is closed once and for all Lord-of-War :style: Well that is great I am so glad to hear you are going to stop showing how ignorant you are in my thread. You never brought one single thing to any of the treads except disruption with nothing of your self in regard to the thread. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Ganja on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:16:01 PM Your as think as him if you think he wrote it lol Ganja you dont desrve a reply as you wee never in the duisscusion becauce you are as ignorant as the reast I mentioned. I never said he wrote it, read again. Not agreeing with you doesn't mean ignorant, or does it? And I gotta agree it's quiet fascinating what people can believe in the 21st century. Apparently there's no evolution for everyone Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:18:47 PM Ganja you keep shouting the same thing If you believe there is eveidence of evolution please bring it in. PLEASE really please. If he wrote it he would understand it and would not need to copy paste someone elses work. The ignorant ref to you and all the other clowns who only brought disruprtion and not about the subject to the table. You brought nothing because you have nothing. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:20:54 PM Vegeta neither you provided any proof. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:26:41 PM I never spoke on it. I quoted you . once again for an admin you acting really dumb cause your hurt. Quite fascinating reading all the crap you post though keep it going. You're a joke. You didn't quote shit, you just copied it after googling something. [/quote] Vegeta neither you provided any proof. Didn't you see him post a bunch of stuff? Don't remember on which of his threads, but he expects you to read hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of stuff for you to be on par with him. And even if you did and disagreed with him, he would still win by default. For whatever reason. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Ganja on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:27:17 PM Ganja you keep shouting the same thing If you believe there is eveidence of evolution please bring it in. PLEASE really please. Well if you had read the article Lord-Of-War posted you'd know the answer. But you're ignoring it just because he didn't write it himself. At least I'm not pretending there's proof because I saw people getting healed by God or whatever. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:28:36 PM You only think we have nothing because you're so entrenched in your beliefs that nothing will sway you, thus we have no argument. Likewise, how do you expect us to blindly believe "some guys several thousand years ago said jesus would be around". That's not proof of dick shit. Also if you don't think macro evolution takes place, you obviously haven't watched animals for extended periods of time. It's pretty damn hard to ignore once you look at it and think with your brain. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:31:02 PM Evolution proof that it exists: 1. Fossils - are mineral deposits form internal casts of organisms, provides us with a vast quantity of fossils. 2. Fossil's species - there are lots of fossils of species that doesn't exist any more. One of them in just the superorder Dinsosauria alone. 3. Continental Changes around the globe. Like America and Africa. By the way i can give u other proof's but tell me on which evolution you talking about? genetic maybe? :P Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:42:23 PM You only think we have nothing because you're so entrenched in your beliefs that nothing will sway you, thus we have no argument. Did you or anyone bring someting about evolution NO you never that s why I think you have nothing cause you never brought anything I am begging plaese bring some thing some one lol what a joke. In your words YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS IN THE THREAD HAVE "DICK SHIT". lol Likewise, how do you expect us to blindly believe "some guys several thousand years ago said jesus would be around". That's not proof of dick shit. Thats the other thread you all keep getting confused so hard to work wiht you on this lol, I dont expect you or anyone to believ anything. I just bring itI dont force anyone as I have been accused of but one has yet brought any proof of me forcing anyone. Also if you don't think macro evolution takes place, you obviously haven't watched animals for extended periods of time. It's pretty damn hard to ignore once you look at it and think with your brain. Sweet what animals have you found macro evoloution in I really like to hear this one. My brain is just bursting to think, It aint getting stretched in here. So please please please bring me the animal what one /ones are you taking about SPanky??????? This is what I ment whan I said this is going to be fun lol. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:46:54 PM You're a joke. You didn't quote shit, you just copied it after googling something. Didn't you see him post a bunch of stuff? Don't remember on which of his threads, but he expects you to read hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of stuff for you to be on par with him. And even if you did and disagreed with him, he would still win by default. For whatever reason. Ok like I said for you more than anyone in here YOU never took anything to the tablr to discuss. Did you? SO we have nothing to disagree on you brought nothing even after 25 or so posts you made you Teddy brought nothing you must be pleased ???? You call me a joke so funny. Please bring something to discuss. Then we will see what you have . Like I said YOU HAVE NOTHING. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:56:10 PM I will answer for spanky Vegeta, animal list for macro evolution: Blackflies curculionid beetles Gall former fly Apple maggot fly House fly and many more Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:57:54 PM Evolution proof that it exists: Eh maybe I missed the proof? where is it lol 1. Fossils - are mineral deposits form internal casts of organisms, provides us with a vast quantity of fossils. Yeah we know that and you point is? 2. Fossil's species - there are lots of fossils of species that doesn't exist any more. One of them in just the superorder Dinsosauria alone. Yes we also know that and your point is? I am assuming you have a point. 3. Continental Changes around the globe. Like America and Africa. Yes we know this as well where is you proof of evolution?????? By the way i can give u other proof's but tell me on which evolution you talking about? genetic maybe? :P Well I am really pleased to here that. Why dont you go back and read what I said instead of giving me a sillie face as if you have me cooked. I mentiond that there are sid forms of evolution. You bring one and a smillie. Lets go with Macro first since Spanky has some proof of Macro in animals. The dictionery tells us that what are you telling us? Fossils can be made in a fortnight. Fact. Diamonds can be made in labs in 24 hrs. So if you really have a point please tell? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 12:59:31 PM I will answer for spanky Vegeta, animal list for macro evolution: Blackflies curculionid beetles Gall former fly Apple maggot fly House fly and many more And someone in your school told you these where animal lol. There insects try again Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 13:01:42 PM Eh maybe I missed the proof? where is it lol Yeah we know that and you point is? Yes we also know that and your point is? I am assuming you have a point. Yes we know this as well where is you proof of evolution?????? Well I am really pleased to here that. Why dont you go back and read what I said instead of giving me a sillie face as if you have me cooked. I mentiond that there are sid forms of evolution. You bring one and a smillie. Lets go with Macro first since Spanky has some proof of Macro in animals. The dictionery tells us that what are you telling us? Fossils can be made in a fortnight. Fact. Diamonds can be made in labs in 24 hrs. So if you really have a point please tell? Proof? You mean i need to go and take a photo? testing? Can i have your proof? Cuz u dont know what proof probably means. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 13:03:33 PM Also vegeta if you dont mind please do this and see how dumb u are? http://www.am-i-dumb.com/ (http://www.am-i-dumb.com/) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Archeh on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 13:13:39 PM Hey Vegeta you're stupid. Don't be so defensive against evolution, it really doesn't challenge the existence of a God. The dumb stuff in the Bible challenges it more than science. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Ganja on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 13:54:56 PM (https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs16.postimg.org%2F3slf2sjwx%2Fimages.jpg&hash=2f0ac3716a03c473bf1dae9fadffaf1f) Here's your proof of evolution Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 13:55:42 PM Hey Vegeta you're stupid. Don't be so defensive against evolution, it really doesn't challenge the existence of a God. The dumb stuff in the Bible challenges it more than science. Apparantly :) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:10:26 PM I'm not an ornithologist nor someone doing a research paper so I don't have proof archived but I've watched both behavioral and plumage changes in wild birds through the course of generations. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:10:45 PM Proof? You mean i need to go and take a photo? testing? Can i have your proof? Cuz u dont know what proof probably means. Lol so your done aready you dont have any animals? lol new it Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:16:17 PM Lol so your done aready you dont have any animals? lol new it I wasnt even looking, neither you have any proof, please quote the proof cuz im not reading ur 10 links Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:18:23 PM You dont have proof thats why its a theory. Cause there is no proof thats why I said no one has anything to bring to the table because you dont or any proof of macro evolution, Now that folks is progress. Sure sounded like you had something. But hey nothing. What was your own words again oh yes had to look it up again you dont have dick shit. What a shame. I was so looking forward to something. But like I said all along no one in here has any thing. Evolution is a theory that the whole world is being lied to about. And you all want to indorse it even though NONE OF YOU KNOW THE LEAST THING about it. So ask your selves who is the idiot? lol. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:20:39 PM I wasnt even looking, neither you have any proof, please quote the proof cuz im not reading ur 10 links You sir talk big but you have nothing go awaylol. Your coming in here thinking you had something lol what a joke your post and support for evolution actully is. You have nothing like all the rest. Really who is the dumb ass now? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Archeh on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:35:03 PM are we being trolled? this isn't real Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:43:31 PM I don't know why this isn't even locked, I mean i had a lot of laughing from this thread but my stomach started to hurt and it's not a nice feeling. Trust in science not religion that's all to say. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 14:52:19 PM It's in the drama and spam section, which is why I've not locked it (not that I lock many threads anyway). Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 11, 2015, 15:11:11 PM I don't know why this isn't even locked, I mean i had a lot of laughing from this thread but my stomach started to hurt and it's not a nice feeling. Trust in science not religion that's all to say. Thats what you say now becuase you have been exposed and are found to be wanting. Like I said you have nothing. Now you want it locked thats what I would say if i was found with no argument after making cliams |I did lol Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 02:31:16 AM vegeta u the most ignorant and naive person i know and this is my last topic on this thread. Sorry I can't have an argument with you when you have a lack of understanding on other views. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Gusso on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 03:17:36 AM This "conversations" topic is about? Evolution? a God? because I am on page three and it is a bad tennis match. Evolution has no place in religion and visa versa, they will never marry. Bring in a third factor, then, we are discussing but speculating. Darwin lived in a time where there was limited knowledge and he gave us a gift we could expand on. The Bible (and yes I have read it) has two God's, two creations. Adam had a first wife before Eve. and God sat in the assembly of the god's ( and basically asked wtf they thought they were doing meddling with man ..... and then said .....don't you know you die like mortal man? Discussing religion and politics, is walking on eggs. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 03:55:00 AM vegeta u the most ignorant and naive person i know and this is my last topic on this thread. Sorry I can't have an argument with you when you have a lack of understanding on other views. And I cant have a disscusion with you because you dont know nothing about what you claimed to know. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Mike Mentzer on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 12:11:02 PM Dude your god, religion btw every single one etc. sux dude! FYI check this ==> http://www.theperspectivesofnietzsche.com/nietzsche/nuber.html (http://www.theperspectivesofnietzsche.com/nietzsche/nuber.html) Regards the Fubar Ubermen Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 12:12:23 PM Dude your god, religion btw every single one etc. sux dude! FYI check this ==> http://www.theperspectivesofnietzsche.com/nietzsche/nuber.html (http://www.theperspectivesofnietzsche.com/nietzsche/nuber.html) Regards the Fubar Ubermen He doesn't want you to quote anything because he fears that he might stumble on something he can't overthrow. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 12:34:06 PM So long for an inteligent to come to the forums. I now know how robinson crusoe felt. They dont have to be inteligent just able to converse would be a giant step forward. No wonder you think we came from monkeys lol Any one looking at this would think you did. Maybe its true for some . Thats it we hit it right on the nail. evolution is true. you lot came out of the sea and evolved in to maokeys and soon you might be able to hold a conversation wow. I am the leader who can teach you all I can see it now . Man its so clear. I am in charge of the monkeys in here. And I alone cam help you all to leanern and talk and every thing yess. I see it now. First thing we got to do is see if there is any level of supremecy here. any leaders. Ahh the leaders are way in front of the followers but they seem to stuggling with basic communication skills. I will work with them first. starting with teddy. Hey teddy me full grown man. Me show you the wheel, and fire in one day. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 12:46:31 PM Read your rant. Not impressed. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 13:35:35 PM call that a rant lol. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 13:42:24 PM call that a rant lol. Whatever you wanna call it, you're hurt and taking it out on others. I don't blame you. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 14:41:44 PM (https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frs2img.memecdn.com%2Fyeah-comon-vegeta_o_680565.jpg&hash=adee8a2354a1314dcfd925e4ccc360a4) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 17:03:35 PM Whatever you wanna call it, you're hurt and taking it out on others. I don't blame you. Not even a nice try. You cant hurt me I dont let you. I love you teddy I think of you in you created value and its easy to love you. Its also easy to see how your confused man. No one can hurt me My wife If i found her with another man, I would feel for her not me. You want get that do you? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 17:04:08 PM (https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frs2img.memecdn.com%2Fyeah-comon-vegeta_o_680565.jpg&hash=adee8a2354a1314dcfd925e4ccc360a4) Now see thats funny I love that :) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Koden on Sunday, April 12, 2015, 18:09:49 PM So long for an inteligent to come to the forums. I now know how robinson crusoe felt. They dont have to be inteligent just able to converse would be a giant step forward. No wonder you think we came from monkeys lol Any one looking at this would think you did. Maybe its true for some . Thats it we hit it right on the nail. evolution is true. you lot came out of the sea and evolved in to maokeys and soon you might be able to hold a conversation wow. I am the leader who can teach you all I can see it now . Man its so clear. I am in charge of the monkeys in here. And I alone cam help you all to leanern and talk and every thing yess. I see it now. First thing we got to do is see if there is any level of supremecy here. any leaders. Ahh the leaders are way in front of the followers but they seem to stuggling with basic communication skills. I will work with them first. starting with teddy. Hey teddy me full grown man. Me show you the wheel, and fire in one day. Locked, at least temporarily, in order to let people think about their own opinion twice and put them down in a better way. By page 8 and 9 of this thread, i can't honestly tell what it really is about anymore... Edit: unlocked. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Archeh on Sunday, April 19, 2015, 21:11:49 PM In the aftermath of this thread, the Drama and Spam board is a ghost town. *clears throat* Climate change is a serious friqqin' problem, something everyone needs to consider and address. By reacting and adapting to climate change, countless social problems can be solved. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Sunday, April 19, 2015, 21:58:51 PM I believe in God so I don't need to believe climate change or any other "science" nonsense. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 20, 2015, 04:05:15 AM In the aftermath of this thread, the Drama and Spam board is a ghost town. *clears throat* Climate change is a serious friqqin' problem, something everyone needs to consider and address. By reacting and adapting to climate change, countless social problems can be solved. Really? were is it? Keep in mind that it used to be called global warming. Why did they chamge the name to climate change? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: NoBigDeal on Monday, April 20, 2015, 06:10:55 AM They didn't ... Global warming is changing the climate. :S Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Monday, April 20, 2015, 09:06:38 AM They didn't ... Global warming is changing the climate. :S I would rather say that global warming is just a part of climate change. How big the human input into this is, I really don't know. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Monday, April 20, 2015, 12:22:56 PM Really? were is it? Keep in mind that it used to be called global warming. Why did they chamge the name to climate change? It's called a synonym. We have many in the English language. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Koden on Monday, April 20, 2015, 12:54:05 PM It's called a synonym. We have many in the English language. UuUUhh, sarcasm just got off the scale : D Climate change is a serious friqqin' problem, something everyone needs to consider and address. By reacting and adapting to climate change, countless social problems can be solved. I almost thought you were serious :| Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 20, 2015, 13:02:33 PM There is no serious conversation in here to be found. Theres only "I think" which equates to zero. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Monday, April 20, 2015, 13:39:11 PM There is no serious conversation in here to be found. Theres only "I think" which equates to zero. Take a minute and say this out loud and let it soak in. If you still don't get it, say it to a mirror. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Archeh on Monday, April 20, 2015, 13:39:41 PM LOL Vegeta you said literally exactly what I expected/wanted you to say. I can't understand how anyone can really deny climate change. Lake temperatures are rising all over the globe, Arctic is melting, 99% of scientists agree... I mean, if nothing else maybe God is using climate change for an apocalyptic event right?? So if it's not real, why do so many scientists and others talk about it? Is it the big bad USA/EU trying to stifle development in China and India? Is it those pesky liberals trying to cut down energy corporation profits? I was completely serious Koden *EDIT* Mmmmm Spanky nice, can I not give +1 Interwebz reputation anymore? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Monday, April 20, 2015, 16:07:09 PM Take a minute and say this out loud and let it soak in. If you still don't get it, say it to a mirror. x2 Especially since you're not allowed to quote anyone else on his threads apparently. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: NoBigDeal on Monday, April 20, 2015, 17:04:00 PM I would rather say that global warming is just a part of climate change. ... It PROVOKES climate change. How big the human input into this is, I really don't know. Without fancy words: Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig ... We shifted the coming of the next ice age for some good dozen / tens of thousands years ahead - 'is just behind the door'. So, frankly speaking: We Are Pretty Much F******. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 20, 2015, 17:58:02 PM LOL Vegeta you said literally exactly what I expected/wanted you to say. And did you tell anyone that so we would all no its true? Nope. nice try not. I can't understand how anyone can really deny climate change. Lake temperatures are rising all over the globe, Arctic is melting, 99% of scientists agree... I mean, if nothing else maybe God is using climate change for an apocalyptic event right?? Dont suppose you would because your convinced your correct> so do you have any evidence of these 99% scientists? Were are these lakes that are rising? and by how much are they rising? and for how long have they been measuring these lakes? scientistsSo if it's not real, why do so many scientists and others talk about it? Is it the big bad USA/EU trying to stifle development in China and India? Is it those pesky liberals trying to cut down energy corporation profits?[/quote] Why would usa and europe be concerned about the biggest devolping country in the world that buy all our rubbish waste etc. To stripe it and recycle it and sell it back to us. They out sold usa for car sales for the first time in history. And it will be repeated every following years for a very long time. They provide most of the UKs material. The UK now produsces nothing any where near what they did in the past The country is on its knees. Wonder if it because the UK closed its coal mines to help the ozone (LOL) whist China opens up two mines a week. What a joke and hypocritcal pair of arse holes europe and the us are. If theres a hole in the ozone the usa and europe caused it. So suck it up china is ten times bigger in every department than usa. They will expaned at a fantastic rate. They dont look after there people health wise. So they make a far greater rate form there workers. Just like america and europe done in the past . Why are they concerd. Dont kid your self its about climate change lol. Please dont for get the questions I asked you when you come back. Please provide some info on you post. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 20, 2015, 18:03:02 PM Take a minute and say this out loud and let it soak in. If you still don't get it, say it to a mirror. Ahh Spankys found the lowest form of wit. A step backwards IMO. ... It PROVOKES climate change. Without fancy words: Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig ... We shifted the coming of the next ice age for some good dozen / tens of thousands years ahead - 'is just behind the door'. So, frankly speaking: We Are Pretty Much F******. global warming causes an ice age? now thats clever. You said global warming provkes climate change and climate change brings and ice age lol so funny. Please bring some eveidence and you soarse. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Alex on Monday, April 20, 2015, 18:18:42 PM I guess we're on climate change now? Not sure why people still deny it's a thing. It's quite humorous. Here's some links that may interest you vegeta. I don't have to time to properly search into this but a quick search showed plenty of results for climate change support. Some of these are public and free articles. I do have access to many scientific articles from academic and professional peer reviewed journals but unfortunately a lot of them are behind a pay wall and I only have access to them from being a University of Michigan student so not able to link anything substantial. But if it's just the amount of people agreeing with climate change you want, take a look at all of these scientific articles. Sure you can actually read most of them, but the abstract describes what they're about. http://www.sciencemag.org/search?site_area=sciencejournals&y=0&fulltext=climate%20change&x=0&journalcode=sci&journalcode=sigtrans&journalcode=scitransmed&submit=yes (http://www.sciencemag.org/search?site_area=sciencejournals&y=0&fulltext=climate%20change&x=0&journalcode=sci&journalcode=sigtrans&journalcode=scitransmed&submit=yes) http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/) http://climate.nasa.gov/ (http://climate.nasa.gov/) If you don't trust US government sites. http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article (http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article) http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full) I'll also give you an except from that last link Quote he 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Ronny123 on Monday, April 20, 2015, 18:38:58 PM Guyss...! serious? go read your bible , dont make such a big mistake! dont use ur brain wrong.. every history book , all the world know jesus , and his history! please dont make a big mistake ,and go read your bible.. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 00:44:45 AM global warming causes an ice age? now thats clever. You said global warming provkes climate change and climate change brings and ice age lol so funny. Please bring some eveidence and you soarse. Climate is a vastly more complex system then temperature. So obviously a significant increase in temprature can change other aspects of the climate, which in turn can - without a doubt - result in a reduction in temperature. I didn't read any of the links Killa put up, but I'd bet some of them also talk about how exactly this happens. However, I'll give you an easy example. You know, when the Earth got struck with an asteroid (or meteor? I don't really know) some 65 million years ago (when the dinosours were wiped out), the asteroid also brought a lot more energy to the earth, immense heat near where the asteroid landed (hence the glass that formed nearby). So temperature should have risen, right? No, because it also made these huge dust clouds that completely covererd the Earth from sunlight and thus made it colder (plus, of coure significantly lessened the oxygen being created). Of course this is just a simplification, but what it means is that it's not just about the one change you see at first site. The reason I chose this example (while there are others), is because it's also a sudden change (even though infitely more sudden than what we're seeing right now in climate change). Another thing I've been dying to discuss is your apparant hatred towards citations. I don't suppose you've been a part of a scientific research party? Or even read a scientific article, for that matter? They are almost always composed of a lot of citations from other, earlier works. If you had to thurally explain every aspect of what you're doing in every article, all the articles would be 10 times longer and would take more than 10 times as long to write, because a lot of the things would need supporting experiments. You cannot do without citing other people's work. The same should apply in here. Chances are, none of us will have seen evolution at a macro scale, because nobody claims it to work in one generation (and probably none, or very few of us, have scientificly observed it themselves), just as probably none us have themselves measured global warming as it's to do with climate change and climate is a sort of long term whether, the change of which can't be measured within one decade. But the same way, you did not see - let alone write - the actions in the bible. We're all just recollecting (sometimes even citing) what we've seen others do. OK, well let's try to talk on "topic" here. Have you ever seen how the human embryo evolves in the uterus? It first looks like a fish and then starts forming more of a human shape. There are many stages of this transformation. It was taught to us in High School, and while I haven't seen it first hand, I have no reason to doubt the research done decades before my time. Obviously the embryo won't have an "ape" shape, since that's such a small milestone in our evolution, however if this doesn't show that we evolved from another species, I don't know what would. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 04:37:10 AM I guess we're on climate change now? Not sure why people still deny it's a thing. It's quite humorous. Here's some links that may interest you vegeta. I don't have to time to properly search into this but a quick search showed plenty of results for climate change support. Some of these are public and free articles. I do have access to many scientific articles from academic and professional peer reviewed journals but unfortunately a lot of them are behind a pay wall and I only have access to them from being a University of Michigan student so not able to link anything substantial. But if it's just the amount of people agreeing with climate change you want, take a look at all of these scientific articles. Sure you can actually read most of them, but the abstract describes what they're about. http://www.sciencemag.org/search?site_area=sciencejournals&y=0&fulltext=climate%20change&x=0&journalcode=sci&journalcode=sigtrans&journalcode=scitransmed&submit=yes (http://www.sciencemag.org/search?site_area=sciencejournals&y=0&fulltext=climate%20change&x=0&journalcode=sci&journalcode=sigtrans&journalcode=scitransmed&submit=yes) http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/) http://climate.nasa.gov/ (http://climate.nasa.gov/) If you don't trust US government sites. http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article (http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article) http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full) I'll also give you an except from that last link What a joke Killaman now decides he wants to come in and have a serious conversation. Because He seems to think that he knows something on global warming/climate change. You have looked up a couple of on board siites that are slanted to the goverments agenda. heard about it all in school. You singed up aswell because the "scientists said so" Go and do some reasearch of your own and once you have a balenced view come back and tell us both sides until you know both sides go away and dont expect me to read that tripe until YOU know what your talking about. You had nothing but scorn for both my topics and now you really expect me to look up this perpaid dung lol. Open your eyes. And dont do what the school told you. Climate is a vastly more complex system then temperature. So obviously a significant increase in temprature can change other aspects of the climate, which in turn can - without a doubt - result in a reduction in temperature. I didn't read any of the links Killa put up, but I'd bet some of them also talk about how exactly this happens. However, I'll give you an easy example. You know, when the Earth got struck with an asteroid (or meteor? I don't really know) some 65 million years ago (when the dinosours were wiped out), the asteroid also brought a lot more energy to the earth, immense heat near where the asteroid landed (hence the glass that formed nearby). So temperature should have risen, right? No, because it also made these huge dust clouds that completely covererd the Earth from sunlight and thus made it colder (plus, of coure significantly lessened the oxygen being created). Of course this is just a simplification, but what it means is that it's not just about the one change you see at first site. The reason I chose this example (while there are others), is because it's also a sudden change (even though infitely more sudden than what we're seeing right now in climate change). Another thing I've been dying to discuss is your apparant hatred towards citations. I don't suppose you've been a part of a scientific research party? Or even read a scientific article, for that matter? They are almost always composed of a lot of citations from other, earlier works. If you had to thurally explain every aspect of what you're doing in every article, all the articles would be 10 times longer and would take more than 10 times as long to write, because a lot of the things would need supporting experiments. You cannot do without citing other people's work. The same should apply in here. Chances are, none of us will have seen evolution at a macro scale, because nobody claims it to work in one generation (and probably none, or very few of us, have scientificly observed it themselves), just as probably none us have themselves measured global warming as it's to do with climate change and climate is a sort of long term whether, the change of which can't be measured within one decade. But the same way, you did not see - let alone write - the actions in the bible. We're all just recollecting (sometimes even citing) what we've seen others do. OK, well let's try to talk on "topic" here. Have you ever seen how the human embryo evolves in the uterus? It first looks like a fish and then starts forming more of a human shape. There are many stages of this transformation. It was taught to us in High School, and while I haven't seen it first hand, I have no reason to doubt the research done decades before my time. Obviously the embryo won't have an "ape" shape, since that's such a small milestone in our evolution, however if this doesn't show that we evolved from another species, I don't know what would. Ahh teddy what a little darling you are. So full of shit. You like wise decide ahh I know something about this subject I will have a go at Vegeta because he hurt me so bad I now have the ammo to come back and get him good. Lol Really lol. You do not deserve a responce. You totally trashed my threads. With no inteligence what so ever. You added nothing but trash talk. Then it got moved to the drama section. And now all of a sudden Oh Oh I know about this I want to play. Lol. But just in case anyone thinks aww Vegetas just running I will rip apart your first part and after that. Until you give me a decent responce you will get nothing out of me. You dont deserve it niether does this ignorant thread. You said the dinos where whipped out about 65 million years ago. Wrong!!! The dinos where not. And I dont mean your dates out by 10.20.30,40,50,60.5.4,3,2,or even 1 million years. Your dates are a complete lie ahd scientist have always lied about the dates of the dinos or there whole programme is wrong. Here is a simple question you and every oe to look up for them selves. If the dinos were whipped out approx 65 million years ago. And if man evolved approx 200.000 years ago. Heres the big one. Why are there fossils of men and massive dinosaurs? Answer that And I will continue. You pair are spouting shit as most poeple believe. Because you trust your goverments. So if you or anyone else can answer this I will come back and destroy the rest of the shit you talk. And heres a few examples incase your struggling with basic research. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fossils+of+man+and+dinosaurs+together&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2Aw2VfG2NM7laMyagKgL&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1008 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fossils+of+man+and+dinosaurs+together&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2Aw2VfG2NM7laMyagKgL&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1008) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 04:49:11 AM Haha, you're linking to a picture. If that's evidence enough for you, I can give you one where I'm on the moon. EDIT: And looking at the first entry if searching the web (rather than for pictures), I can find: Quote from: http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=9&article=4664 the fossil record seems not to substantiate creationists’ claims that dinosaurs and humans were contemporaries And that's from a religious point of veiw. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Alex on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:19:27 PM What a joke Killaman now decides he wants to come in and have a serious conversation. Because He seems to think that he knows something on global warming/climate change. You have looked up a couple of on board siites that are slanted to the goverments agenda. heard about it all in school. You singed up aswell because the "scientists said so" Go and do some reasearch of your own and once you have a balenced view come back and tell us both sides until you know both sides go away and dont expect me to read that tripe until YOU know what your talking about. This may just be the funniest thing I've read all week. Sounds like something that would be written on The Onion as it's too ridiculous for me to think that you actually believe in what you type. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:25:21 PM This may just be the funniest thing I've read all week. Sounds like something that would be written on The Onion as it's too ridiculous for me to think that you actually believe in what you type. x2 Pretty funny that Vegeta asks for intelligent discussion but chooses to ignore the facts then says that's what we're doing. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:31:41 PM Haha, you're linking to a picture. If that's evidence enough for you, I can give you one where I'm on the moon. EDIT: And looking at the first entry if searching the web (rather than for pictures), I can find:And that's from a religious point of veiw. You were clearly told to do your own research. But you and almost everyone else has selective reading. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:32:26 PM This may just be the funniest thing I've read all week. Sounds like something that would be written on The Onion as it's too ridiculous for me to think that you actually believe in what you type. Yes and i see you avoided the question, No surprises there then :) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:32:58 PM x2 Pretty funny that Vegeta asks for intelligent discussion but chooses to ignore the facts then says that's what we're doing. See you still have nothing to bring to any of the discussions. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:46:45 PM See you still have nothing to bring to any of the discussions. Neither you did in the last 10 pages Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Archeh on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 13:18:27 PM Do our own research? That requires a lot of money man... [EDIT: Wait what did you mean by that exactly? You can't expect us to conduct serious scientific studies..? And you don't accept what the "school" tells us. So you just want us all to cite websites like you did with "bible" in the title?] I did take a paleoclimatology class a couple years ago though and it's really not that relevant nor profound research (2nd year undergrad) but I guess I did it myself and that seems to be what you're crying for. I used a global circulation model to look at CO2 / CH4 / etc levels in the atmosphere over the course of millennia to show that human changes on greenhouse gas levels began long before industrialization. It was a test of another dude's hypothesis (Ruddiman, I guess look him up if you want he's not that interesting) but my tests supported his theory. tl;dr Humans have messed with methane levels ever since we started irrigation and plants decayed faster in rice fields. Climate change is most certainly an intensification of that simple fact: nature goes through cycles to reach equilibrium and we don't understand that completely so we fuck it up. Take this too, I turned in a paper on the Lake Tahoe physical and cultural landscapes yesterday: http://www.laketahoenews.net/2013/06/scientist-details-human-impact-on-lake-tahoe/ (http://www.laketahoenews.net/2013/06/scientist-details-human-impact-on-lake-tahoe/) "Over the course of 30 years, Goldman has also seen the overall temperature of Lake Tahoe increase by about 1 degree. His graphs showed that while the maximum and minimum temperatures of Lake Tahoe fluctuate constantly, the average maximum temperature has remained virtually the same; it is the average minimum temperature that appears to be rising at a relatively steady rate. This means the lake is not cooling off at night like it used to, the result of increased CO2 in the atmosphere." Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 18:50:13 PM Do our own research? That requires a lot of money man... [EDIT: Wait what did you mean by that exactly? You can't expect us to conduct serious scientific studies..? And you don't accept what the "school" tells us. So you just want us all to cite websites like you did with "bible" in the title?] I did take a paleoclimatology class a couple years ago though and it's really not that relevant nor profound research (2nd year undergrad) but I guess I did it myself and that seems to be what you're crying for. I used a global circulation model to look at CO2 / CH4 / etc levels in the atmosphere over the course of millennia to show that human changes on greenhouse gas levels began long before industrialization. It was a test of another dude's hypothesis (Ruddiman, I guess look him up if you want he's not that interesting) but my tests supported his theory. tl;dr Humans have messed with methane levels ever since we started irrigation and plants decayed faster in rice fields. Climate change is most certainly an intensification of that simple fact: nature goes through cycles to reach equilibrium and we don't understand that completely so we fuck it up. Take this too, I turned in a paper on the Lake Tahoe physical and cultural landscapes yesterday: http://www.laketahoenews.net/2013/06/scientist-details-human-impact-on-lake-tahoe/ (http://www.laketahoenews.net/2013/06/scientist-details-human-impact-on-lake-tahoe/) "Over the course of 30 years, Goldman has also seen the overall temperature of Lake Tahoe increase by about 1 degree. His graphs showed that while the maximum and minimum temperatures of Lake Tahoe fluctuate constantly, the average maximum temperature has remained virtually the same; it is the average minimum temperature that appears to be rising at a relatively steady rate. This means the lake is not cooling off at night like it used to, the result of increased CO2 in the atmosphere." we all know about 1 degree hardly global warming lol The met office in the UK admitted all the lying crap. There is no global warming. Al gore was the clown pushing it in the states and he wanted it changed from global warming. Becuase every where he went preaching (the new tax lie) ( that most of the muppets in here agree with ) He looked like a tit becuase when he went preaching global warming every where he went the had frezzing wheather that they never had before and some places had snow for the first time he and his new tax lie looked like a tit. Does nt cost anythiung to spend a little time looking at both sides and no one metioned a bible except you of coarse. So shove your poxy little two bit study all the way. Go look at the people who knopw what they are talking about and answer the simple question I asked you all. So funny how you all missed that . Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 19:14:40 PM Hopefully even though you disagree with global warming/climate change, you still do your part to preserve the environment. If not, that's a pretty unchristian thing to do for your family and fellow man. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 19:34:09 PM Just a random post passing by. Fuck you all. Let's talk about Communism :P. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 21:00:23 PM Good idea, Possessed :) The other day we were discussing where our country's current leadership is heading (I can't for the life of me think with who, though lol) and we got to communism in 2 different stages. Fun stuff :) And if Vegeta still doesn't understand that climate change is more complex than mere temprature, he's a lost cause anyway. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Dialects on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 23:15:37 PM At first I was interested by the thread's title. Then, as I caught up to the several on and off-topic replies, I somewhat started to feel very wary of even commenting, let alone share my own take on Evolution and sub-sequently God as one can never really talk about the former without at the very least considering the latter. Despite this I figured it wouldn't hurt to participate even if only to later realise how de-contextualized or misunderstood my words may have been --or, on the contrary, how lacking my ability to express, understand, percept and summarise may have been altogether. The aforementioned realisation that within a circunstancial event (1) lies an ever established conflict / morphe between two or more points of perception is the very key to understanding the degree of subjectivity and relativeness that humanity has ever since tried to understand and convey in an objective manner. While this nature-driven premisse enriches and provides versatility and dynamism abundantly it often limits and preemptively prevents us from connecting to the core essence that ties us to the Earth, further inducing humanity unto an individual-based perception of any events in occurrance while simultaenously alienating the value of its various forms of input and output. (1) - Whether the nature of the conflict in understanding something is made responsible at the expense of an exterior reaction or at the otherwise lack of a clear enough action from its punctual source; --In order words, whether the nature of the conflict arises from the deflected frequency of an output or otherwise the infected input of the same kind. Evolution henceforth becomes not just a simple matter of belief or proof given how fragile and human-limited these concepts are in nature. It could then be said or otherwise refuted that we understand nothing of the World we live in but merely of the World we, as a form of genetic compromise, can perceive. Given this condition it is then possible to presume Evolution as not being a systematical and cyclical progression/regression from Point A to Point B but rather an a-systematical and terminal form of expression of a single exclusive Point A that is subsequently theorised and hypothesised as progressive or otherwise depending on the given ability to percept at the exact moment of the event. Figuratively speaking you could say Evolution is not within the sum of the colours and strokes that make a painting but rather in how unrelated they are throughout the process. Evolution exists not in what is but in what isn't. Have you ever thought about it? Religions tells us what is through no need of proof [i.e:. This is a painting and it is absolute as a single entity] whereas Science tells us what could be through the seek and summarise of proof [i.e:. This might be a painting given the sum of its various entities] -- though none look to assert both what was and was not at the given moment of its discovery/contemplation. Ironically, it is Art who has been most concerned with documenting perception of what was/is and wasn't/isn't. For instance, Prehistoric Art/Paintings are a prime example of this as it produced records of what several animals looked to be and not be, were and weren't and came to be and be not. In this sense, one could bring fundament to the statement that percept of Evolution is only as great as that through which it is expressed. In this regard, the Bible and any other past/current scientific thesis should be considered records of the evolution of its components deflective of conjugal meaning or quantitification as opposed to singular veins from which Evolution is sought perceptively. P.S:. I might have, well, gotten a bit carried away in all this. I did try writing as little as I could without sacrificing too much of the vital information that coheres around the subject that is Evolution and its fundamental ingredients. That's my contribution! /Dan Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 04:27:51 AM Hopefully even though you disagree with global warming/climate change, you still do your part to preserve the environment. If not, that's a pretty unchristian thing to do for your family and fellow man. How can I be unchristian in your opinion if there is no God in your opinion? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 04:29:13 AM Good idea, Possessed :) The other day we were discussing where our country's current leadership is heading (I can't for the life of me think with who, though lol) and we got to communism in 2 different stages. Fun stuff :) And if Vegeta still doesn't understand that climate change is more complex than mere temprature, he's a lost cause anyway. Why are you still avoiding the simple question I asked you? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 04:49:58 AM At first I was interested by the thread's title. Then, as I caught up to the several on and off-topic replies, I somewhat started to feel very wary of even commenting, let alone share my own take on Evolution and sub-sequently God as one can never really talk about the former without at the very least considering the latter. Despite this I figured it wouldn't hurt to participate even if only to later realise how de-contextualized or misunderstood my words may have been --or, on the contrary, how lacking my ability to express, understand, percept and summarise may have been altogether. The aforementioned realisation that within a circunstancial event (1) lies an ever established conflict / morphe between two or more points of perception is the very key to understanding the degree of subjectivity and relativeness that humanity has ever since tried to understand and convey in an objective manner. While this nature-driven premisse enriches and provides versatility and dynamism abundantly it often limits and preemptively prevents us from connecting to the core essence that ties us to the Earth, further inducing humanity unto an individual-based perception of any events in occurrance while simultaenously alienating the value of its various forms of input and output. (1) - Whether the nature of the conflict in understanding something is made responsible at the expense of an exterior reaction or at the otherwise lack of a clear enough action from its punctual source; --In order words, whether the nature of the conflict arises from the deflected frequency of an output or otherwise the infected input of the same kind. Evolution henceforth becomes not just a simple matter of belief or proof given how fragile and human-limited these concepts are in nature. It could then be said or otherwise refuted that we understand nothing of the World we live in but merely of the World we, as a form of genetic compromise, can perceive. Given this condition it is then possible to presume Evolution as not being a systematical and cyclical progression/regression from Point A to Point B but rather an a-systematical and terminal form of expression of a single exclusive Point A that is subsequently theorised and hypothesised as progressive or otherwise depending on the given ability to percept at the exact moment of the event. Figuratively speaking you could say Evolution is not within the sum of the colours and strokes that make a painting but rather in how unrelated they are throughout the process. Evolution exists not in what is but in what isn't. Have you ever thought about it? Religions tells us what is through no need of proof [i.e:. This is a painting and it is absolute as a single entity] whereas Science tells us what could be through the seek and summarise of proof [i.e:. This might be a painting given the sum of its various entities] -- though none look to assert both what was and was not at the given moment of its discovery/contemplation. Ironically, it is Art who has been most concerned with documenting perception of what was/is and wasn't/isn't. For instance, Prehistoric Art/Paintings are a prime example of this as it produced records of what several animals looked to be and not be, were and weren't and came to be and be not. In this sense, one could bring fundament to the statement that percept of Evolution is only as great as that through which it is expressed. In this regard, the Bible and any other past/current scientific thesis should be considered records of the evolution of its components deflective of conjugal meaning or quantitification as opposed to singular veins from which Evolution is sought perceptively. P.S:. I might have, well, gotten a bit carried away in all this. I did try writing as little as I could without sacrificing too much of the vital information that coheres around the subject that is Evolution and its fundamental ingredients. That's my contribution! /Dan Yes Dan you did get carried away. And I noticed you put in a lot of effort in this post compared to your other posts. Looks like you are looking for some approval/back slapping. So well done nice philasophical post. When I asked for inteligent conversation. I was only asking we could raise the conversation to my childrens level. What you posted there is completly wasted in here. So if you really want to post something that you actully understand on said subjects please feel free to post. Seems you might be somewhat of a dipnasophist? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Dialects on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 05:13:11 AM Quote [Yes Dan you did get carried away. And I noticed you put in a lot of effort in this post compared to your other posts. I didn't put quite as much effort to this post as I would've liked. I've been known to write quite the essays when it comes to subjects that involve more than a simple Yes/No answer...yet even in those I tend to end up using three of four phrases for the effect. Quote Looks like you are looking for some approval/back slapping. So well done nice philasophical post. I appreciate your feedback eventhough I wasn't effectively looking for approval or back-slapping of any kind. I was merely adhering to the debate and sharing my views on the subject. I'd be better off suited looking for approval/dismissal somewhere else more in-line with the kind of approach I presented above. Quote When I asked for inteligent conversation. I was only asking we could raise the conversation to my childrens level. What you posted there is completly wasted in here. So if you really want to post something that you actully understand on said subjects please feel free to post. Oh, but I am quite the children myself. Regardless of whether or not what I posted is considered to one's perspective as waste I'm rather happy that I got to put some thoughts down. Heck, if anything it made me type & think which is quite the joy :) Quote Seems you might be somewhat of a dipnasophist? You got me there. The correct word is deipnosophist, though! /Dan Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 11:38:55 AM everyone pulls me on my spelling but I must say you have a great attitude You didnt bite in the way I expected :) Thats a plus. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 16:55:26 PM How can I be unchristian in your opinion if there is no God in your opinion? You claim to be christian/religious. My simple point was that if you don't believe our impact on the planet and don't care about it... ruining the world for your fellow man and family isn't very christ-like. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 18:31:01 PM You claim to be christian/religious. My simple point was that if you don't believe our impact on the planet and don't care about it... ruining the world for your fellow man and family isn't very christ-like. Spanky I do hold you in high esteem here, higher than almost everyone else. But you are going down like a lead ballon lately. Do we have an impact on the planet yes and very detremental its been to. Do I believe the lies the usa and europe are telling about the impending disaster, if we dont give money to help our carbon foot print, What a load of shit that is. No I dont believe the blatant lies. All your scientists are goverment funded. They will all do what there told or there out of a job. Wakey wakey guys. Ostriches all that I see here ostriches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5EPymcWp-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5EPymcWp-g) This guy is a well repected man amont many intlects. Do your selves a favour and open your eyes for once. And he is not a Christian. Now please quote where I said I dont care or what I said that gave you reason to print " I dont care" Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Archeh on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 19:15:28 PM Vegeta there's plenty of reasons to distrust governments but you don't have to immediately deny everything connected to a government... Besides, name something that isn't connected to a government, everything is in one way or another. Do you realize how unbelievably hypocritical you have been in this thread? I feel bad for the disrespect you've got but I think that you've earned it with your posts. On the other hand, you have disrespected everyone else. Do you understand the concept of a carbon footprint? It's not a scam, everyone has one. I haven't seen anyone in this thread mention forced regulation of carbon output or UN control over countries or anything like that. There's certainly a debate to be had there (though you have made it clear that you don't want a debate). But there isn't much of a debate whether humans have caused changes in the climate. And it's also pretty clear what effects those changes will have, from rising temperatures and sea level to more frequent extreme weather events. Sorry to everyone for bringing up climate change, but like I said I just knew that Vegeta would have a lot to say using typical talking points based on fear because he is so predictable. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Spanky on Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 20:53:12 PM Spanky I do hold you in high esteem here, higher than almost everyone else. But you are going down like a lead ballon lately. I really don't care about having or creating a reputation here. I don't expect to be honored or respected, I'm just another average joe on here. Do we have an impact on the planet yes and very detremental its been to. Do I believe the lies the usa and europe are telling about the impending disaster, if we dont give money to help our carbon foot print, What a load of shit that is. No I dont believe the blatant lies. All your scientists are goverment funded. They will all do what there told or there out of a job. Wakey wakey guys. Ostriches all that I see here ostriches. If we're wrong about the climate and environment, what's the bad news to come out of that? Nothing. It's unexpected good news. But what if we're right and people continue to do nothing? Life would be very shitty for those able to continue living on this destroyed planet. Just because you haven't seen extreme events linked to climate change or just because you can't see pollution where you live doesn't mean it's non-existent across the globe. The problem with our understanding of the environment is that it's such a vastly complex system with more variables than we can think of. We know pollution exists on many levels, we know what it can do but we don't know what the tipping point is or what the long-term effects will be. But, why not be cautious, why not try to preserve what we do have? Now please quote where I said I dont care or what I said that gave you reason to print " I dont care" You never said you DID care. The first thing you do is try to insult people or tell everyone they're wrong or being childish rather than respond to pertinent points brought up by other people... you know... discussion. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 00:37:05 AM All your scientists are goverment funded. They will all do what there told or there out of a job. I don't know about scientists in other countries, but where I work (an actual scientific research center), the latter is simply not the case. Yes, we are funded by "governement". But not really by our own government, most of the money comes from European projects such as FP7 and Horizon 2020. I don't exactly know who funds those things (European Union probably), but in no way is are you obliged to get a result that suits some "governement". Each time we start doing something, a project proposal is written. In it is described how and what we're planning to do as well as who and how it will help, plus how long the development would take and how much it would cost. This proposal is then either approved or not approved (most don't get approval). If approved, we get some funding and start working on it. However, it is entirely possible - even likely - that some projects will not get the same result that was predicted in the proposal. We're looking into the unknown and thus can never be 100% sure. While we work in mostly in underwater biomimetic robotics, I am fairly certain that the same kind of procedure is valid in most all research centers (btw, there is private funding as well). There's been plenty on controversial research done in every field. Chances are, the ones who payed for it will not like the outcome, but that doesn't mean the outcome is changed. On that same point, I don't see how lying about climate change would benefit any nation/continent. If you accept climate change, you will have to pay for the effects - or rather the lessening of future effects - yourself as well and even if some of this stuff is carried out within your jurastication, you will not get more money back then you give out. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 03:51:36 AM If you can't see global warming you are a bit out of hand then don't you think. If you look to Antarctica and Greenland, the ice there keeps on melting because the temperature keeps dropping and more and more heat continues to approach there which result in ice being melted. I have actually been near Greenland in the college trip where I had to travel from uk to 1 week trip and I've been there and i've seen pictures and statistic 2007 to 2014 and believe it or not, the situation is not getting better but getting worse. Because we heat atmosphere (air) with radiation factories and so on causing this because we waste those products to the atmosphere, so you get my point that for this kind of thing it's our fault for ice melting not the sun solar system. Basically you just don't want to see the truth and you will keep ignoring to what I've said, actually I been there and seen the changes with pictures, various tests that they do. Water is rising and in hundred years it could flood the whole continentals. Like spanky said it will happen at one point, we don't know when, maybe we wont see it but generations will if we keep wasting radiation into the air. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 04:00:45 AM I really don't care about having or creating a reputation here. I don't expect to be honored or respected, I'm just another average joe on here. Never said you did Just gave a compliment. But all i do here is make a fool of people. Yes if they ast like clowns they will be told there acting like clowns. How simples that? If we're wrong about the climate and environment, what's the bad news to come out of that? Nothing. It's unexpected good news. But what if we're right and people continue to do nothing? Life would be very shitty for those able to continue living on this destroyed planet. Just because you haven't seen extreme events linked to climate change or just because you can't see pollution where you live doesn't mean it's non-existent across the globe. The problem with our understanding of the environment is that it's such a vastly complex system with more variables than we can think of. We know pollution exists on many levels, we know what it can do but we don't know what the tipping point is or what the long-term effects will be. But, why not be cautious, why not try to preserve what we do have? You cant buy a new ozone you cant change global warming if it was true. Its a lie to get all the dumb asses to pay extra taxes. Dont know why none of you can see that. And if you and anyone one else is going to talk nonsense what else can I call that? Its nothing less than stupidity to say we can change any of the things that you are claiming here. There is No global warming. As for climate change its variations and there are many to take in to concideration. We have no been recording it long enough to make any judgement on it. The MET Office has already admitted allit lies and agende were exposed by the russians. All there email mails were exposed and. So they eventully admitted there is NO GLOBAL WARMING. And as teddy said its 1 degree. Thats not quite true its even less. So anyone who told you there is global warming is either mistaken or an out right liar. Is very possible you came up against both. The liars being the scientist who said its true and the goverments who atre mostly globally connected and on the same agenda. But I am quite sure none of you have any idea what I mean by that. Simply because you all beleieve the lies you have already. But you continue to pay all they new taxaes that you have already encountered. Do you know how many new taxes you have paid in the last ten years and what they all point towards??????? Do your own research because you dont believe me :) But please do try an danswer the question. You all have a cute way of ignoring all the questions I asked You never said you DID care. The first thing you do is try to insult people or tell everyone they're wrong or being childish rather than respond to pertinent points brought up by other people... you know... discussion. [/quote] Then you dont have the right to say I did say it. But you said it anyway. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 04:02:34 AM Teddy wither you like it or not you will adere to who ever is paying for what ever they are paying for. I look for two seconds at your FP7 and gyess what it said about tying in with there policies. Lol The Framework Programmes for Research have two main strategic objectives: to strengthen the scientific and technological base of European industry; to encourage its international competitiveness, while promoting research that supports EU policies. Did you ever look up there policies or do you just take the money????????????????? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 04:15:55 AM If you can't see global warming you are a bit out of hand then don't you think. If you look to Antarctica and Greenland, the ice there keeps on melting because the temperature keeps dropping I am quite sure you made a mistake here? Temp goes down ice appears and more and more heat continues to approach there which result in ice being melted. I have actually been near Greenland in the college trip where I had to travel from uk to 1 week trip and I've been there and i've seen pictures and statistic 2007 to 2014 and believe it or not, the situation is not getting better but getting worse. See heres the problem the goverments have puched there agenda on all of there offices schools counsils etc. And because the wheeels of goverments are slow. When they preach a lie . Its also takes time to say its a lie. But they have done that now. 7 years reasearch is nothing in relitive terms trying to measure the earth climate, When you believe that the earths 65 millinon years old. Because we heat atmosphere (air) with radiation factories and so on causing this because we waste those products to the atmosphere, so you get my point that for this kind of thing it's our fault for ice melting not the sun solar system. Complete nonsense man any one involved in this knows that the sun has a huge impact on earth temps Basically you just don't want to see the truth and you will keep ignoring to what I've said, actually I been there and seen the changes with pictures, various tests that they do. Water is rising and in hundred years it could flood the whole continentals. Like spanky said it will happen at one point, we don't know when, maybe we wont see it but generations will if we keep wasting radiation into the air. Eh lets keep in mind we thought the atoms was the samllest thing on the planet. Eh we were wrong. We thought the earth was flat ehh wrong. Dont listen to your teachers if you looked at the video you will know why . Dont suppose any of you looked at it . Cause yall know better right. surrounded with hill billys here Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 05:32:15 AM Teddy wither you like it or not you will adere to who ever is paying for what ever they are paying for. I look for two seconds at your FP7 and gyess what it said about tying in with there policies. Lol The Framework Programmes for Research have two main strategic objectives: to strengthen the scientific and technological base of European industry; to encourage its international competitiveness, while promoting research that supports EU policies. Did you ever look up there policies or do you just take the money????????????????? I don't get what you're saying. Lying would not benefit either of those objectives. Both of the objectives are perefectly valid and understandable. And you're right, I didn't look at the video. I really don't have 1.5 h to waste at the moment. And even if I did, why should I believe this one piece over another? Next thing you're going to link is Ancient Aliens? How they built the pyramids and landed there with their spacecraft? And do you have any idea when people thought the Earth was flat? In most of the world it was way before Christ. An atom (comes from a Greek word for unit or unbreakable or something if I'm not mistaken) is a very small object. The size of it is in the range of 10^-10. It really depends on what you call this "thing" whether you should call an atom the smallest thing. Atoms are what make molecules, molecules make bigger objects, so they are the building blocks of everything. But you're right, an atom consists of a nucleus and electron(s), yet an atomic nucleus consists of protons and neutrons. Those are a combination of quarks. But going back to protons, neutrons and electorns you will notice that there exists (similarly to light) a wave-particle dualism where an electron, proton or neutron acts as a particle in one case, yet as a wave in another. This can also be observed in simple atomic nucleae (alpha radioactive decay for example), however in most cases it is easier to just look at an atom as a particle. Going smaller yet will make this assumpion harder, though. And even though it was thought that an atom was the smallest object and it turned out it was not, doesn't mean they were completely wrong. It was the smallest that could be seen back then. They just didn't/couldn't know about the smaller parts. This is how science work. You prove one thign, someone tries to prove you wrong or tries to expand on your previous proof. There might be decades between, because some advances require a lot of other technology to be discovered before an advance can be made. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Gekkou on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 07:32:37 AM I'm in Guangzhou in China right now and the sky is grey every fucking day, Never seen a blue sky here. EDIT:And people are wearing breathing masks on the streets. AND its fucking hot. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 09:14:20 AM I'm in Guangzhou in China right now and the sky is grey every fucking day, Never seen a blue sky here. EDIT:And people are wearing breathing masks on the streets. AND its fucking hot. And china says go take a run and jump to everyone else. Now its our turn to turn the skys grey just like europe did. And we will rule the earth and make all the money whist we run out of everything. And america falls in to nothing and relys on them. For hand outs, and please forgive our debts china please lol. China is not signed up to anyone on the green issues they and russia are laughing at us. Much like they did with the space race. The russians that is Teddy nice to see you never contradicted any thing a said. And it was before christ but after abraham. Even though it was written. That the earth was round. But it wasnt that long ago. Never looked lately and cant mind. They did believe it was the smallest and the were wrong call it any thing you like they were wrong. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 10:30:20 AM They did believe it was the smallest and the were wrong call it any thing you like they were wrong. Educate me then, what makes you say that the atom is not the smallest "thing" (as you describe it)? Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 10:33:22 AM example ( but wait you don't believe in global warming ) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32399909 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32399909) Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 10:41:45 AM Vegeta if you say you don't believe in climate change, and everything you say is a government lie, then I say that the '' bible'' is a lie too. All the facts you've got from bible is a lie, lie and lie. Every single word is a lie. If you show me a research or proof of climate change or warming not existing I will give up and say you are right. I believe learning at school and other industries (even travelling to those locations) where ice melting for example is a lie, I am sorry but it's a bullshit. I dont believe it's a government lie what we learn at these industries about most of the stuff. ''EVEN'' NASA'' has shown many significant proofs of ice melting so denying it really makes you ''smart'', And if you don't believe in the websites I show you, then how am I supposed to show you proof? I think you should trust my words because I been near the green land, have you tho? Oh wait I forgot, you believe in god and it's bible but no to science.... Bible and religions were introduced to give faith to ho humanity and to make better peace but it's not helping does it? I don't think anyone could last a discussion or argument with you for at least 5 minutes because you deny mostly everything we say, you put more of your ''arguments'' on top of our views and keep thinking you are quite smart than us and you know mostly everything and when it comes to defence you come up with show proof plz or it wont happened... It's simple, you are a hypocrite and there is nothing more to say with this kind of people like you. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: Gekkou on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 10:51:20 AM Also as a side note to all americans you need to stop doing this: http://cn.bing.com/images/search?q=chemtrails+portugal&FORM=HDRSC2 (http://cn.bing.com/images/search?q=chemtrails+portugal&FORM=HDRSC2) PLEASE Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 19:46:05 PM Educate me then, what makes you say that the atom is not the smallest "thing" (as you describe it)? You already said it dumb ass. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 19:56:53 PM Vegeta if you say you don't believe in climate change, and everything you say is a government lie, then I say that the '' bible'' is a lie too. All the facts you've got from bible is a lie, lie and lie. Every single word is a lie. If you show me a research or proof of climate change or warming not existing I will give up and say you are right. I believe learning at school and other industries (even travelling to those locations) where ice melting for example is a lie, I am sorry but it's a bullshit. I dont believe it's a government lie what we learn at these industries about most of the stuff. ''EVEN'' NASA'' has shown many significant proofs of ice melting so denying it really makes you ''smart'', And if you don't believe in the websites I show you, then how am I supposed to show you proof? I think you should trust my words because I been near the green land, have you tho? Oh wait I forgot, you believe in god and it's bible but no to science.... Bible and religions were introduced to give faith to ho humanity and to make better peace but it's not helping does it? I don't think anyone could last a discussion or argument with you for at least 5 minutes because you deny mostly everything we say, you put more of your ''arguments'' on top of our views and keep thinking you are quite smart than us and you know mostly everything and when it comes to defence you come up with show proof plz or it wont happened... It's simple, you are a hypocrite and there is nothing more to say with this kind of people like you. Ok you are obviously struggling to even look up google. Here you go. lets start with wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory) http://www.globalwarminglies.com/ (http://www.globalwarminglies.com/) http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191/Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder (http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191/Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2804727/There-NO-climate-crisis-Man-global-warming-lie-not-backed-science-claims-leading-meteorologist.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2804727/There-NO-climate-crisis-Man-global-warming-lie-not-backed-science-claims-leading-meteorologist.html) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html) http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm) http://www.wnho.net/global_warming.htm (http://www.wnho.net/global_warming.htm) http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/recent-pause-in-warming (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/recent-pause-in-warming) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2259012/Global-warming-Met-Office-releases-revised-global-temperature-predictions-showing-planet-NOT-rapidly-heating-up.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2259012/Global-warming-Met-Office-releases-revised-global-temperature-predictions-showing-planet-NOT-rapidly-heating-up.html) http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong) http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/369564/Surprise-Surprise-Global-warming-has-stalled-admits-Met-Office (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/369564/Surprise-Surprise-Global-warming-has-stalled-admits-Met-Office) Just let me know if you need some more there are pages of this telling you what I said all along. Think I will now look up americas lies. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 20:03:27 PM And now for the lying american version. http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming (http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming) http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/) http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/impacts-adaptation/coasts.html (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/impacts-adaptation/coasts.html) http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scientific_fraud.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scientific_fraud.html) http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/12/the-coming-revelation-of-the-global-warming-fraud-resembles-the-obamacare-lie/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/12/the-coming-revelation-of-the-global-warming-fraud-resembles-the-obamacare-lie/) http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/) http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-warming-a-convenient-lie/5086 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-warming-a-convenient-lie/5086) http://www.climatedepot.com/ (http://www.climatedepot.com/) http://www.rense.com/general75/who.htm (http://www.rense.com/general75/who.htm) https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/ (https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/) http://www.principia-scientific.org/breaking-new-climate-data-rigging-scandal-rocks-us-government.html (http://www.principia-scientific.org/breaking-new-climate-data-rigging-scandal-rocks-us-government.html) Wonder how many will come back and say hey Vegeta know what you might be right here bud I never knew that. Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God. Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 20:07:16 PM How america pays there loyal servants for telling the truth. www.newsmax.com/Finance/MKTNews/Global-Warminhttp://www.newsmax.com/Finance/MKTNews/Global-Warming-Scam-CTI/2014/11/14/id/607398/g-Scam-CTI/2014/11/14/id/607398/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/MKTNews/Global-Warminhttp://www.newsmax.com/Finance/MKTNews/Global-Warming-Scam-CTI/2014/11/14/id/607398/g-Scam-CTI/2014/11/14/id/607398/) And another about the proffits made from the lies that so many peopel like sheep say its true I seen the melting snow lol https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/RWL/RWL-Dark-Winter?dkt_nbr=zhs3nmqq (https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/RWL/RWL-Dark-Winter?dkt_nbr=zhs3nmqq) So guys please dont be coming here and talking shit if you dont know what you are taking about. And yall dissapointed in me calling you thick, Really? Excert from the white paper. “Global warming initiatives costs America$22 billion a year. That \$22 billion that could go toward education, to our military, to real research,” John explains. “But instead, it’s going into the back pockets of those who are preaching this lie.”

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See what is says there teddy real research unlike the shit your producing

Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Gekkou on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 21:52:40 PM
lol Vegeta I like your nickname and all but compare those 20billions with the trillions spent in war.

Peace.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Archeh on Thursday, April 23, 2015, 23:52:14 PM
Vegeta I could link you to just as many articles in support of climate change... "look up google" you say but what did you search? Climate change fraud? Climate change conspiracy?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 24, 2015, 05:38:27 AM
Vegeta I could link you to just as many articles in support of climate change... "look up google" you say but what did you search? Climate change fraud? Climate change conspiracy?

Yes we know that . But the point here is that everyone so far involved believes that there is only one side and nothing else.
So when dealing with ostriches you need to show them the other side.
You seriously thinking I dont know that they al,l american gov and UK and all the others push global warming? You kiddin me?Is that not what the discussion is about? SO the overall point is someone is telling lies. Someone in here said all the scientist agree. So that is a lie from someone who knows little or nothing. Read the white paper. Then tell me who write and whos wrong.

Edit in here. :)
Archeh it was you who said the 99% of scientists agree on global warming. So since you can provide so much against my thoughts. Why dont you provide the information your pusching Show me and all the good folks in here the document telling us about the 99% that are all agreed :)
Will you do that? Not to much to ask is it?

lol Vegeta I like your nickname and all but compare those 20billions with the trillions spent in war.

Peace.

Well we never touched on why America and UK went to war for proffit yet. You know to find thw weapons of masse destruction another lie from there/our goverments. But hey these guys wouldnt lie to us about the climate would they.. Lovfl = Laughing out very feacking loud
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 24, 2015, 06:12:19 AM
Vegeta there's plenty of reasons to distrust governments but you don't have to immediately deny everything connected to a government... Besides, name something that isn't connected to a government, everything is in one way or another.

And that is the very reason you dont trust them.

Do you realize how unbelievably hypocritical you have been in this thread?

No sir but I wonder if you can produce ANY eveidence of me be hypoctitical? Please please please provide some.

I feel bad for the disrespect you've got but I think that you've earned it with your posts. On the other hand, you have disrespected everyone else.

Any thing siad in here against me is water off a ducks back. I dont give any of it one seconds thought or head time I totally understand whats wrong. And yes its partly my faualt. Could I make an attempt to make my posts look less offencive ? Yes I could. But I am long enough in the teeth to know what man is like . So its not worth the bother. Let your yes be a yes and your no be no. Striaght up simple. Even for hickys. Yes I have been and am short with anyone who decides to talk crap. That aint gonna change any time soon.

Do you understand the concept of a carbon footprint? It's not a scam, everyone has one.

Correct. something give you the impression I dont? Its not the imprint thats the problem. Its the lie exagerating the real cost of out footprint. And the lies that that intails.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread mention forced regulation of carbon output or UN control over countries or anything like that. There's certainly a debate to be had there.

Sure there is

(though you have made it clear that you don't want a debate).

Really please quote that aswell. Thank you.

But there isn't much of a debate whether humans have caused changes in the climate. And it's also pretty clear what effects those changes will have, from rising temperatures and sea level to more frequent extreme weather events. Sorry to everyone for bringing up climate change, but like I said I just knew that Vegeta would have a lot to say using typical talking points based on fear because he is so predictable.

I am predictable becuase I dont change. All things are black and white to me. Dont like grey. I like both sides of EVERY debate.

Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 24, 2015, 06:25:11 AM
So were did every one go last night since I posted? Teddy spanky Armyanticheat  so very quite everyone go  on holiday with wicked? So many smart arses with there smart ass comments but not one even attempted to answer my question. Wonder why that is?

If dinosaures were whiped out approxamitly 65 million yeras ago.
and man only started walking the earth 200 0000 years ago.
Howis it possible for there to be dinosaur footpints with a mans right beside it and on top of them in many instances?
Sad when you ask a simple question they all run. But have so much to say on everything else. And always until the question comes up and you all move on. every time. I daont cahnge and dont moves I either back it up or admit I was wrong. But I dont avoid like you lot do.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Rapture on Friday, April 24, 2015, 09:06:27 AM
I believe that evolution occurs in all life, except humans. I don't think we came from apes but rather that God made us in his image and put us on this Earth so that we could pwn the noob animals and use all the resources, then he'll Rapture us to heaven and start us all over on another planet.

I knew someone called my name. Im a lil late but my Rappy Senses Kinda Running Slow From To Much Partying
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Ronny123 on Friday, April 24, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
Vegeta...why when a new baby borns,he screams?simple,you cant know , you cant answers,only god knows!
stop doing a big mistake,do not deny god! because god will deny u
man u live here 100 years only ,and its your choice to choose where to live the rest,dont make a mistake and wake up.. please!
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 24, 2015, 13:39:59 PM
Vegeta...why when a new baby borns,he screams?simple,you cant know , you cant answers,only god knows!
stop doing a big mistake,do not deny god! because god will deny u
man u live here 100 years only ,and its your choice to choose where to live the rest,dont make a mistake and wake up.. please!

Get with the program man I am as far as  I can see the only Christian in here.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, April 24, 2015, 14:26:15 PM
So were did every one go last night since I posted? Teddy spanky Armyanticheat  so very quite everyone go  on holiday with wicked? So many smart arses with there smart ass comments but not one even attempted to answer my question. Wonder why that is?
The forum was down for many hours yesterday. Personally, I had better things to do than to check the site after fixing it for pointless discussions.

If dinosaures were whiped out approxamitly 65 million yeras ago.
and man only started walking the earth 200 0000 years ago.
Howis it possible for there to be dinosaur footpints with a mans right beside it and on top of them in many instances?
Sad when you ask a simple question they all run. But have so much to say on everything else. And always until the question comes up and you all move on. every time. I daont cahnge and dont moves I either back it up or admit I was wrong. But I dont avoid like you lot do.
Your poorly spelled and articulated point is 30 years too late;
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html)
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/science/fossils-of-man-tracks-shown-to-be-dinosaurian.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/science/fossils-of-man-tracks-shown-to-be-dinosaurian.html)
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 24, 2015, 16:13:59 PM
The forum was down for many hours yesterday. Personally, I had better things to do than to check the site after fixing it for pointless discussions.
Your poorly spelled and articulated point is 30 years too late;
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html)
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/science/fossils-of-man-tracks-shown-to-be-dinosaurian.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/science/fossils-of-man-tracks-shown-to-be-dinosaurian.html)

When someone is struggling in a debate with me they always refer to my spelling somehow must make them feel better. lol.
There are always going to be the people who will do what ever they can to try and make everything fit there agenda. Do you want me to show you the sites saying the complete opposite? There out there seen it all before. But what you are doing in all these discussions is showing one side as if there is only one side. There lies the lie.
http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2416 (http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2416)
Wow how did these guys know and carve dinos into stones . But you believe the lies. 1 Vegeta - Spanky 0
100% fact But you Spanky chose to believe the guy who relies on the money for his job.

http://www.creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted.html (http://www.creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted.html)
Same here again 100% proof any one else have concrte proof like there old carving and drawing?

If the debate is beneath you why did you get involved? You were as guilty as anyone else in here for bring the debate down to the gutter level. And now my spelling is a problem. What a joke.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, April 24, 2015, 17:01:59 PM
Vegeta like u said to us do ur own research with proof
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, April 24, 2015, 18:23:24 PM
now my spelling is a problem. What a joke.
You're right, it's pretty damn funny. You don't know how to speak your countries major language. To top it off, you get your opinionated information from biased websites that agree with your viewpoint.

Outright hilarious :)
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, April 24, 2015, 18:40:53 PM
You're right, it's pretty damn funny. You don't know how to speak your countries major language. To top it off, you get your opinionated information from biased websites that agree with your viewpoint.

Outright hilarious :)

And what did you do. Exactly the same. Now thats what a hypocrite is exactly.  You added nothing to the debate or any of them for that matter and the more you gibber shit the more stupid you look. Outright hilarious :)
My mums fatter than your mum
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Friday, April 24, 2015, 19:02:08 PM
Vegeta what is ur point of this thread at all, no one can have a proper discussion with you. You look pathetic with each post.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Friday, April 24, 2015, 22:40:58 PM
And what did you do. Exactly the same. Now thats what a hypocrite is exactly.
I've linked to many different sources. All your sources have a huge stench of religious propaganda. Just one glance at the sites you've linked show that they're just shoveling and spinning information to cater to your already proven wrong opinion.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 04:43:14 AM
Vegeta what is ur point of this thread at all, no one can have a proper discussion with you. You look pathetic with each post.

Point is you said Ive been to cold climates and its warming up and the ice is melting and you know it because you seen it. Correct? Now I told you there is no global warming and you quite adimently siadit is you seen it. The facts are there is NO global warming that the point. Really dificult explianing anything to you when in the middle of it you dontr even know what its about. All I have had from you and most other is a slagging match about how I am a dumb ass and cant spell.
So I look pathetic? or you do with your false claims. and silly accusations
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 04:44:48 AM
I've linked to many different sources. All your sources have a huge stench of religious propaganda. Just one glance at the sites you've linked show that they're just shoveling and spinning information to cater to your already proven wrong opinion.

And your still talking shit. You never looked at anying and are assuming your soarse is correct. So like I said many times now pointless talking to donkeys in here.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Gekkou on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 05:08:07 AM
The way I see it:

A) Humans genome is 99% or more equal to apes genome, which suggests at least some linkage. Darwin's theory, we are just another animal with improved brain. Meaning that some apes and other animals  have counsciousness like us. Scientific prespective.

B) The few animals that is also omnivorous like us and whose internal organs are quite similar to ours, are the pigs. So we are sort of an hybrid between pigs, apes and an alien life form from Atlantis. Personnal crazy theory which I like to think of just for fun.

C) We are divine beings that created themselves and the universe to have fun in it. Atheistic gnostic theory which I'm also keen to think of as true.

D) We are in fact nothing and everything. We are Order from Chaos, the ultimate reality. We will never know where we came from. Skeptic position.

E) Some higher entity created us. Theistic gnostic.

Yeah, there are other possibilites as well! Right now I'm more inclined to think of as C, however seeing so much stupidity around me makes me really doubt this position and makes me lean torwards D.

Note that A is not self-excludable from others, rather a scientific fact.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 07:41:37 AM
The way I see it:

A) Humans genome is 99% or more equal to apes genome, which suggests at least some linkage. Darwin's theory, we are just another animal with improved brain. Meaning that some apes and other animals  have counsciousness like us. Scientific prespective.

B) The few animals that is also omnivorous like us and whose internal organs are quite similar to ours, are the pigs. So we are sort of an hybrid between pigs, apes and an alien life form from Atlantis. Personnal crazy theory which I like to think of just for fun.

C) We are divine beings that created themselves and the universe to have fun in it. Atheistic gnostic theory which I'm also keen to think of as true.

D) We are in fact nothing and everything. We are Order from Chaos, the ultimate reality. We will never know where we came from. Skeptic position.

E) Some higher entity created us. Theistic gnostic.

Yeah, there are other possibilites as well! Right now I'm more inclined to think of as C, however seeing so much stupidity around me makes me really doubt this position and makes me lean torwards D.

Note that A is not self-excludable from others, rather a scientific fact.

Funny your launguges is the same as the scientists.
You mentioned two key words in your post first word is "suggests" and you rounded it off with the other key word "fact" Thats is misleading my friend and anyone with a little nunce will see that a mile away.
So we went from what was a" suggestion" to and absolout "fact" in a few words. And that is how the scientists do it aswell. So either back up the first comment or remove the second. We know all about how close the dna pigs apes monkeys etc are. Suggestions are NOT facts.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Gekkou on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 08:30:22 AM
Funny your launguges is the same as the scientists.
You mentioned two key words in your post first word is "suggests" and you rounded it off with the other key word "fact" Thats is misleading my friend and anyone with a little nunce will see that a mile away.
So we went from what was a" suggestion" to and absolout "fact" in a few words. And that is how the scientists do it aswell. So either back up the first comment or remove the second. We know all about how close the dna pigs apes monkeys etc are. Suggestions are NOT facts.

You misread me, I wrote scientific fact.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 09:21:02 AM
Whats the fact?
The way I see it:

A) Humans genome is 99% or more equal to apes genome, which suggests at least some linkage. Darwin's theory, we are just another animal with improved brain. Meaning that some apes and other animals  have counsciousness like us. Scientific prespective.

Note that A is not self-excludable from others, rather a scientific fact.

So what is the fact?

Humans are "99% or more equal to apes genome,"

Or Darwins theory?

Maybe I misread it but what are you saying if I did misread. On the two points sugests and fact?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Gekkou on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
I say that it is a scientific fact that our DNA is 99%+ equal to apes DNA.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 11:52:27 AM
Yes thats fine as I say we do know that. But if we were made from the dirt as The bible says All that is in us is also in the groud and that is also a scientific fact :)
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 14:20:40 PM
And your still talking shit. You never looked at anying and are assuming your soarse is correct. So like I said many times now pointless talking to donkeys in here.
It's a two-way street.

Yes thats fine as I say we do know that. But if we were made from the dirt as The bible says All that is in us is also in the groud and that is also a scientific fact :)
Carbon is everywhere bro.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 18:42:30 PM
It's a two-way street.
Carbon is everywhere bro.

Point? You got one? again like pulling teeth.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Archeh on Saturday, April 25, 2015, 22:46:17 PM
But you believe the lies. 1 Vegeta - Spanky 0
100% fact But you Spanky chose to believe the guy who relies on the money for his job.

I haven't read farther than this yet and I'm not going to continue yet (and too drunk/tired to address Vegeta's replies to my posts) but cmon man. He gets paid by the NYT so you can't believe anything he says? Fucking think about this. This is a huge publication with tons of readers. If he was publishing bullshit, there would be quite the backlash (like there is for big publications' propaganda articles on war and rich people and etc.) yet there's not really backlash, except from you?

We rely on people paid to write and do research. You rely on tinfoil hat writers. Hurr durr my great grandpa walk with dinosaur
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 00:15:47 AM
Hurr durr my great grandpa walk with dinosaur
This post wins this thread. LOL'd so hard.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 03:41:18 AM
I haven't read farther than this yet and I'm not going to continue yet (and too drunk/tired to address Vegeta's replies to my posts) but cmon man. He gets paid by the NYT so you can't believe anything he says? Fucking think about this. This is a huge publication with tons of readers. If he was publishing bullshit, there would be quite the backlash (like there is for big publications' propaganda articles on war and rich people and etc.) yet there's not really backlash, except from you?

We rely on people paid to write and do research. You rely on tinfoil hat writers. Hurr durr my great grandpa walk with dinosaur

Well you continue to ignore that facts and continue to believe the liers that run your life and run your country. Thats like I said before Ostriches. And spanky finds that funny same. His post might do in your opinion spanky but no surprises there. So Like I said this has got to be the dumbest forum I ever saw in my life. But hey someone has to be.
So looking at evoloution this site is just about 5 million years behind all the others. Hey thats how ya roll. Keep going guys and in five  million years you might have grown ears to hear and eyes to see.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Archeh on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 10:19:44 AM
Continue to believe the liars that run our life and country?

The only people opposing climate change are paid by Koch brothers and others to defend oil/gas interests, you rotten hypocrite. I'm still not responding to your questions cuz I'm not reading those 50 articles you posted. If you have time to read 50 articles of bullshit go build a windmill
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Koden on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
This has to be the only thing missing to this thread.

http://youtu.be/Hr6rp0HYgQ8 (http://youtu.be/Hr6rp0HYgQ8)
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 11:59:46 AM
Continue to believe the liars that run our life and country?

The only people opposing climate change are paid by Koch brothers and others to defend oil/gas interests, you rotten hypocrite. I'm still not responding to your questions cuz I'm not reading those 50 articles you posted. If you have time to read 50 articles of bullshit go build a windmill

And guess who pays thos who run your country lol so nieve. You dont need to read them all just relize that there are always two sides. Both are screwing you and you still cant see it. Thats your call. bury your head and continue as normal. One more time I will ask you to show everyone whre I have be hypocritical? Your now telling lies. So I can call you a liar. But you cant call me a hypocrite. So liar liar pants on fire show everyone where I contradicted myself and becaue a hypocrite. You little liar :)
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 12:04:50 PM
This has to be the only thing missing to this thread.

http://youtu.be/Hr6rp0HYgQ8 (http://youtu.be/Hr6rp0HYgQ8)
Wow he talks just like yall. This is how yall hickys sound in my world. You should all be able to undertand this guy. He spaeks at about your 5 million years ago understanding point. Maybe thats the problem I am typing to fast for yall. Do you want me to slow down so yall can keep up Muhauhauhhahahauhhau. lol. I started taking exerts from here to show my friends. They want me to FB and twitter it. lol. But I know its not fair to be laughing at yall So I said no.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 13:01:07 PM
Wow he talks just like yall. This is how yall hickys sound in my world. You should all be able to undertand this guy. He spaeks at about your 5 million years ago understanding point. Maybe thats the problem I am typing to fast for yall. Do you want me to slow down so yall can keep up Muhauhauhhahahauhhau. lol. I started taking exerts from here to show my friends. They want me to FB and twitter it. lol. But I know its not fair to be laughing at yall So I said no.

I'm really worry about ur psychological problems
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 13:45:04 PM
Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 14:49:32 PM
I'm really worry about ur psychological problems

You may well worry but you dont reply when you know feak all about anything so why come back and embaress yourself. Your full of put downs with nothing to come back with. Cant YOU answer any of the questions I ask although I amswer your.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 14:53:40 PM
Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?

Any one recognise Spanky brough NOTHING to any part of any discussion. And is obviously still struggling. Resorting to ask if I can build a comp lol. Oh and also brought up my spelling lol. You know you have them when thats all the have. More fun.

And my mums fatter than your mum. My mums fatter than yours type of thing.
Back to you.

So to summerize there NO global warming. No proff
Evoultion there is NO proof none.
Winky winky
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 15:14:40 PM
Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?
I've felt that way for a while.

You can't argue with a true believer. He will believe more than you could care to argue.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 19:31:04 PM
I've felt that way for a while.

You can't argue with a true believer. He will believe more than you could care to argue.
I would believe if YOU or any the others can answer one question I asked. But you cant. But you talk like you know what your talking about. So all I said applys to you to numb nuts
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 19:44:21 PM
I've felt that way for a while.

You can't argue with a true believer. He will believe more than you could care to argue.
Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?

+1
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Archeh on Sunday, April 26, 2015, 22:55:31 PM
I still don't get what you're asking Vegeta.

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ (http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/) 97% agree (I said 99%). See, if we answer your questions you'll cry that it's a .gov website so I don't know what you want from us.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 27, 2015, 04:13:44 AM
I want you to realise that your goverment cant stand the site of you. Your goverment are puppets , no matter what party gets in. They are all puppets including Kosh bros. To the world bankers all of the the media in all forms are run by the bankers and the bankers are called the bieldrberg.

How come the goverment never told you about the petetition signed by scientist who are claiming its a lie?
There is No global warming thats a fact. You all stood and said global warming is true and at the end we clearly see that you were all talking shit and came back saying well this and that . Bull There is NO global warming . and you cant show me there is . But you tried and died. So clearly you want to believe your goverment . Go ahead
What do you want from me? I told you they are all liars. There are the guys that stole your money and gave them selves the right to keep you in debt for the rest of your life. America that is. They also are plan on charging you and the rest of the world for 100 approx new taxes. we have about 10 of them now.

Nasa says it and you think that is true. That ass holes never even landed on the moon. But you think they did. America is the biggest shower of decietfull lying basterds you will ever come upon.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 27, 2015, 04:17:10 AM
+1

I see you are still acting like a child in the big boys play ground. Ypu also cliamed to have seen global warming. And cant anser me back. But like a child you come in and agree with anyone who says anything against me. How very childish. You have nothing and you know nothing. Go find something for your selve. You are acting like an imbecile.
One last question for you alone.

DO you have anyhing adult to bring here, to the conversation?
I will guess and say you dont.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, April 27, 2015, 12:11:40 PM
I see you are still acting like a child in the big boys play ground. Ypu also cliamed to have seen global warming. And cant anser me back. But like a child you come in and agree with anyone who says anything against me. How very childish. You have nothing and you know nothing. Go find something for your selve. You are acting like an imbecile.
One last question for you alone.

DO you have anyhing adult to bring here, to the conversation?
I will guess and say you dont.

How is agreeing with someone is childish?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Spanky on Monday, April 27, 2015, 12:55:36 PM
Nasa says it and you think that is true. That ass holes never even landed on the moon.

Ok, I've suspected all along but now I gotta ask... are you for real? All your posts reek of trolling. If you are trolling, bravo, brilliant performance. If not... fuck I feel sorry for you. I never thought I'd meet someone this incredibly closed-minded and skeptical.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 27, 2015, 16:37:02 PM
How is agreeing with someone is cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
How is agreeing with someone is childish?

Speak for your self. You made you false cliams which were total nonsense. You never came back with another responce, then you run and ra ra someones eless post like children do. Speak for your self something relavent or shhhhhh.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, April 27, 2015, 16:39:21 PM
Ok, I've suspected all along but now I gotta ask... are you for real? All your posts reek of trolling. If you are trolling, bravo, brilliant performance. If not... fuck I feel sorry for you. I never thought I'd meet someone this incredibly closed-minded and skeptical.

My mind is completly open. Do you have any thing to counter what I say no.  So dont feel sorry go find some facts. I see you keep coming back with nothing. I believe thats trolling.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Archeh on Monday, April 27, 2015, 18:53:08 PM
Vegeta, I agree with you that the global elite class is pretty much scum through and through. I just simply cannot follow your logic on climate change, and though it might not seem like it to you, I do want to come to an understanding here because I'm sick of this thread (I had my fun now it's just tiring), plus I'm passionate about the environment and I think you're a good person who wants to do the right thing. And your side to this debate seems so clear to you that I just spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around what it is that ties all of this conspiracy together for you.

So hear me out and explain this to me...

Are all scientists and journalists in on the lie? Are they working with rich and powerful people to deceive everyone? Or are they ignorant to this big lie, and the scientists conduct their research, and find with 97% agreement that human-induced climate change is occurring despite the fact that it most certainly isn't and it's just a big bankers' lie?

Also, are you saying the climate change narrative is orchestrated by bankers so that they can tax the rich and powerful energy corporations, thus weakening them and strengthening bankers' hold on wealth? Aren't energy bigwigs also in on the Bilderburger meetings? Is there a war playing out between these rich people? Cuz to me it seems they wage war only on the poor. One of my favorite quotes is by Gore Vidal, it goes something like "rich people don't need to meet behind closed doors to conspire because they all already think alike"

I don't wanna lose your trust/comfort with this last line: but really dude don't live in fear of rich and powerful people, it's a terrible rabbit hole to fall into and I know lots of people who have fallen victim to that. I can already see that from that distrust and fear you've passed it on to scientists (climate, evolutionary, probably more), journalists, seemingly all departments of the US government, and I'm sure others...
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Monday, April 27, 2015, 19:39:11 PM
My mind is completly open. Do you have any thing to counter what I say no.  So dont feel sorry go find some facts. I see you keep coming back with nothing. I believe thats trolling.
To start off, I've just been waken to stand guard by a damn phone in the middle of the night... Thanks, military training! So in other words, I've got time to kill.

The fact is, whether you like it or not, you ARE extremely closed minded in every thread you've made here lately. You strongly believe one position and no matter what anybody else says, this belief will not fall.

If you don't believe that NASA went to the Moon, then Spanky feeling sorry fo you is a valid response. There are conspiracy theories as to why they might not have gone to the Moon, but those can even be explained by Mythbuster, if you care to listen (which I'll guarantee you won't).

I'll quote what you wrote and would like to point out that it works very well to describe you in this thread.
I see you are still acting like a child in the big boys play ground.[--]
You have nothing and you know nothing. Go find something for your selve. You are acting like an imbecile.
One last question for you alone.

DO you have anyhing adult to bring here, to the conversation?
I will guess and say you dont.
Because 90% of your effort goes into trying to discredit everyone else (unsuccessfully, I might add).

Of course, every story has more than one side, so does Climate change, evolution as well as whether or not man went to the Moon. I've seen some points against all three, and frankly I'm not impressed.

I suppose you don't believe in the scientific method. Do you then not believe the whether forecast either?
Granted, they are probably never 100% accurate, but - at least for the next day - they are usually accurate enough.

The same really goes for all of science. You can't expect to get everything 100% right, and nobody has ever claimed they do. However, the scientific method ensures that your results are measurable and reproducable. Given the time, resources and expertise required, anyone should be able to reproduce scientific research.
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it supernatural.

Anyway, I guess I've been all over the place here. Like I said, was just woken up in the middle of the night :)
Anyway, feel free to start trying to insult me again, Vegeta. I might have time to read it, but probably none to reply since this training will only end on the 15th :)

Random stuff here:
"God does not play dice with the universe"
Oh wait, if there is one, it does!

By the way, I've seen the religious type before. Like I said before, they will believe so much that in the end you just can't be bothered to argue.
I remember this guy near a South Carolina town (called Spartanburg) who was trying to hard to convince me to accept the lord as my saviour or whatever. I explained that I don't really wish for this to happen nor is there a reason that I need it. I tried for a long time to rationally explain my percpective, but his eyes were blinded by his and he could therefore not see mine.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 04:24:28 AM
Forgot first off thanks for a great post of logic and inteligence and courtsey.

Vegeta, I agree with you that the global elite class is pretty much scum through and through.

Agreed

My logic is simple. You have said that 99% agree on global warming. Thats just not true. Thats the govermebts agenda and lies. Look at the white papaer I posted yelling you 21.000 have signed a paper saying its lies.
What have we got to gain from saying this? Nothing.

What has the goverment got to gain. 100 approx new taxes. Have you seen any new taxes in your country.
We have seen about ten I think at a guess. They all went windmill mad. Do you know they cause your countrys radar protection to stop working . A hugh section of your country is ungaurded becuase of windmills. But the need to keep pushing the lie exceeds any threat any way. The told us there was global warming. Your gov and mine . When in fact we all in here excep anticheat said ok it true. evem though you all said there is global warming. Thongh none of you said ok vegeta you are right an d were wrong. You all quoted lies. and then more or less agreed that it was only one degree. Although its less than that. But I let that go.

and though it might not seem like it to you, I do want to come to an understanding here because I'm sick of this thread (I had my fun now it's just tiring), plus I'm passionate about the environment

and I think you're a good person who wants to do the right thing. And your side to this debate seems so clear to you that I just spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around what it is that ties all of this conspiracy together for you.

Well just watch the videos I posted and read the white paper in one of the links I posted. You poted a load of links ,So i did the same to show there are as many agaisnt what they say. But all my links have nothing to gain. They are only people who have lost there job becuase they care.

So hear me out and explain this to me...

Are all scientists and journalists in on the lie?

Some scientists know full well about both evo lies and global lies. But all of them are under the threat of keep to the proggrame or lose your grant. They all have morgages like us.
The biederberg own the media ecept for a very few who are on the net. and some world news broadcast like AL Jazeer. So the media as a whole dont publish anything that contrdicts the programme.

Are they working with rich and powerful people to deceive everyone? Or are they ignorant to this big lie, and the scientists conduct their research, and find with 97% agreement that human-induced climate change is occurring despite the fact that it most certainly isn't and it's just a big bankers' lie?

Most dont know the make there little part of the resaerch and hand it in. If it suits they get a real back slapping. and if it doesnt they will be told in no uncertian terms. And it will be diregaurded. But therre are many ass hole who know how to please people and do just that for the back slap and next pay check thank you very much sir.

Also, are you saying the climate change narrative is orchestrated by bankers so that they can tax the rich and powerful energy corporations, thus weakening them and strengthening bankers' hold on wealth?
The banker role everything they own your country. The stole the right to own your country the land of the trapped. surly you know this? How many rich and powerfull companys do you know who actully pay tax? They dont. SO where is the companys lose. You seem to think if we go green these comanys lose money they are the one who benifit from producing all that is green linked. They had a heads up on making windmills and every solar panel that is produced. They own the companys.

Aren't energy bigwigs also in on the Bilderburger meetings? Is there a war playing out between these rich people? Cuz to me it seems they wage war only on the poor. One of my favorite quotes is by Gore Vidal, it goes something like "rich people don't need to meet behind closed doors to conspire because they all already think alike"

Great quote never heard it before. They are all in this together the bankers are the bielderberg. And yes it is only the poor who pay. all your /our politicians are all back slapping each other because they are all in in under threat together, The higher they are the deeper there in it.
Out ex leader joined america going to war under a lie. Your war chief is the guy who says we must go to war they have weapons of mass destruction and guess who is also they guy who is director of the company who supplies every thing to the AA when it goes to war/ Dick cheaney. Why the hell would you let the guy who is director of the company who supplys all the gear, be the guy who say s we should go to war. Dirty evil bastered s run all countrys.

I don't wanna lose your trust/comfort with this last line: but really dude don't live in fear of rich and powerful people, it's a terrible rabbit hole to fall into and I know lots of people who have fallen victim to that. I can already see that from that distrust and fear you've passed it on to scientists (climate, evolutionary, probably more), journalists, seemingly all departments of the US government, and I'm sure others...

You or anyone else in here cannot hurt or lose me. I really dont get offended by anything. I dont give you the right to do that. Its up to me to get hurt or not And I just dont. I used to. Its part of growing up into Christ. He never got offended. I am learning to do like wise. Fear is not in my vocubulry ( limited as it is :)) I am not in fear even though I am fully aware how big this is. What have I to gain in here wasting time on this drival. Nothing. So in the same way its up to each of you to look at both sides and ignore ME. But most in here are so busy looking at me they. The imaginery piture they have at least. They are putting together a picture of me . Becuase of the way I say what I am saying. So weak.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 04:26:05 AM
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Archeh on Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 13:06:59 PM
I think I'm done with this thread now, I'll lurk if others want to continue it but this post has to wrap up everything I think about the topic. Vegeta I agree with a lot of what you just said, but nonetheless I still think climate change is occurring rapidly and needs global response. I don't care if it helps the bankers, let them have their fun capitalist game I don't give a shit really. I want the Earth and humanity to survive through the future that climate models predict. If that means bankers get richer for a while, so be it. Lemme let ya in on a little secret though: Climate change response is in many ways about sustainable actions at all scales, individual to corporate and national. When I FIRST introduced climate change to this thread, I said that a proper response would solve countless social problems and it seemed Koden didn't believe me. I'll get to this in a minute, but capitalism as it plays out now is simply not sustainable or logical and everyone knows it (ESPECIALLY the bankers, why would they want people to believe in climate change?)

A proper response to climate change means a strengthening of community ties and community sustainability, to minimize energy consumption for such things as transportation and mass production. It means that we must reconsider, globally, urban and rural zones and their interactions. I am not a techno-optimist (I like cyberpunk but don't really fear a dystopian future cuz for billions of people this is already the dystopian future) so I don't think our factory farms and GMOs can feed the world, I don't think robocops can patrol the world for carbon footprints, and I don't think we can escape to live on a distant exoplanet in a galaxy far away when the Earth dies. That's a lot of "if"s to me, so I'd rather build a windmill, cover cities with solar cells, farm locally and sustainably, build up ties and connections to my neighbors, and CRUSH CAPITALIST PIGS, COMRADE (sarcasm but capitalism and state socialism are both not the answers, and I don't think there's any amount of philosophy or political theory that can find us a solution so everyone needs to change themselves and that'll grow outward). I think the hardest question humanity, and all of us as individuals, face today is the proper way to act and reconciling moral questions with environmental issues. But then again that's kinda my field of study so I guess that WOULD be the hardest question to me.

Goodbye, Drama and Spam section.
It was fun. I trolled a lot, I posted seriously a lot, and maybe it wasn't clear which was which. But I'm done posting now, and this post was serious except for the capitalist pigs part.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 16:53:15 PM
Well at least you atempted to have an adult conversation and I thank you for that.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: NoBigDeal on Friday, May 01, 2015, 19:12:33 PM
'When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.'
ACD
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:25:44 PM
'When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.'
ACD

Life without intelligent design is impossible. The human eye or any other for that matter did not evolve let alone a whole man.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Gekkou on Monday, May 04, 2015, 22:13:33 PM
Life without intelligent design is impossible. The human eye or any other for that matter did not evolve let alone a whole man.
Because you say so?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 03:46:53 AM
Because you say so?

Well you explian it then?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: RedBeard on Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 09:57:04 AM
Just read all the reply's. I've done this before but it ended bad, so i'm going to be very careful.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: NoBigDeal on Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 16:34:49 PM
The TRUE everyone needs to find by himself, because someone's answers will never be good enough.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 17:04:36 PM
Just read all the reply's. I've done this before but it ended bad, so i'm going to be very careful.

Well saying nothing is very carefull :)

@   Gekkou Huh? Cat get your tounge?
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Gekkou on Thursday, May 07, 2015, 13:06:05 PM
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, May 07, 2015, 13:19:40 PM
@   Gekkou

So the difference between me and you is I have a say so, and you hacve wiki. Read the OP dumbass. I clearly siad if you know what your talking about comein and discuss. But you dont know how to express or explain any thing so you run to wiki. I could also run to many soarses. I quoted plenty just like you did. SO do you know what your talking about or not? If you dont know what your talking about stay out with the rest of the ostriches.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Koden on Thursday, May 07, 2015, 14:05:17 PM
@   Gekkou

So the difference between me and you is I have a say so, and you have wiki. Read the OP dumbass.

You're not being called dumbass or whatever else. Use an appropriate language to relate with others.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, May 07, 2015, 18:18:06 PM
You're not being called dumbass or whatever else. Use an appropriate language to relate with others.
Why would you stand back and say nothing to everyone who called me for everything and not say a word? Then I say dumbass and you come calling what a joke you are dumb ass.
PS matter of fact I never saw you say anything to anyone about the horrendoes things that get said in here. Try explaining that? This is gonna be fun to watch now.
Title: Re: SO you dont believe in God.
Post by: Koden on Thursday, May 07, 2015, 20:22:34 PM
Why would you stand back and say nothing to everyone who called me for everything and not say a word? Then I say dumbass and you come calling what a joke you are dumb ass.
PS matter of fact I never saw you say anything to anyone about the horrendoes things that get said in here. Try explaining that? This is gonna be fun to watch now.

Enough. A while ago i removed an insult that was addressed to you, and i removed another one recently. Several people have already expressed their opinion about the way you explain your own thoughts, and how it doesn't make for a rational discussion. To sum it up,

Because 90% of your effort goes into trying to discredit everyone else (unsuccessfully, I might add).

Closed.