your kidding right? there is no god
What do all the brain boxes think of evoution? This is gonna be so funSo ... now you are insane ... in exchange..? It's a regression, not evolution.
Who the fuck cares? Nobody is going to change someone else's beliefs so why even try? This is a useless thread.Which is why I moved it to this section, no thanks are in order :D
no thanks are in order :DGood, because you were never going to get one. :P
your kidding right? there is no godHe is watching you right now !! And saying where did I go wrong !!! With his hand on his forehead
He is watching you right now !! And saying where did I go wrong !!! With his hand on his forehead
Like this?LMAO>>
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I belive in the devil does that count for anythingThe greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist
Well the question was asked and you come back with no answer, and a question. Serious debates start witha question and are replied to with an answer. So you got one or not? Your not mistaken just misguided on how it works?
Which is why I moved it to this section, no thanks are in order :D
Who the fuck cares? Nobody is going to change someone else's beliefs so why even try? This is a useless thread.
You do realize you're effectively asking 'what do you guys think of the human brain?'. In both cases, it's immensely complex to the point where nobody truly fully understands it's intricate workings.Read it again Spanky am quite sure its clear enough for you to understand. Nothing to do with the brain. Nothing at all.
What's your point though? If you're just trying to stir up shit, you picked the wrong subject. Evolution can be physically seen in a matter of days with real biological life.
Ganja say he believes in some. Depending on what he means I might be agreeing with him. Need more info Ganja.
Ganja there are not thousands of sorts of evoloution. And the subjest is not so large. Its either true or its not.
There are six types of evoloution.
1. Chemical
2.Cosmic
3, steller
4. macro
5. organic
6. Micro
The only one that we know for a fact that works and know for a fact because we can see it is MICRO.
The rest of them are theory. So what ever we do or do not believe we need to back it up with Facts.
The reason I dont want wiki is because people like to read 10 seconds with and paste a load of stuff they never read them selves.
So lets stick to what we understand and have read.
So really boils down to there is no monkey to man evidence, It has never been observed there for its theory.
For it to be science it has to be obseved.
Read it again Spanky am quite sure its clear enough for you to understand. Nothing to do with the brain. Nothing at all.
It's either true or not? You're talking as if evolution was a religion or something. I mean evolution is real and proven, atleast that's what I've always learnt 100%. It's science and it has been observed. Not like God
If anyone in here replys with garbage you wont get a rise from me.I'll post just for the sake of not getting a rise from you.
I also love how your main argument is that everyone else has nothing to offer. Well it's true, since you're only looking for confirmation to your own ideas and will not accept or even see any other views.
I'll post just for the sake of not getting a rise from you.You wont :)
You say evololution is a religon for some, then that would imply it's fact for others.
I also love how your main argument is that everyone else has nothing to offer.
Well it's true, since you're only looking for confirmation to your own ideas and will not accept or even see any other views.
^^ This is why my replies have been dwindling in this thread. We've had these discussions before and they get nowhere.
The only things I have to say are this;
- Provide proof god exists. It's not about convincing others to believe, it's about ending religious conflict in the world. Wouldn't god/Jesus want you do help your fellow man and make the world a better place? If you say no and it's not your job to convince others or prove anything, that's a total cop-out like religion in whole. It's all about relinquishing control on your life and blaming a higher power for your problems.
- Provide a reasonable argument as to why we need religion/god. If you can't provide proof, at least provide a legitimate reason as to why people need it. Using it as a crutch in life isn't a legitimate reason.
I dont need conformation from you or anyone on this or the other subject that you added nothing to any way.If you didn't need confirmation, you wouldn't need to make these threads.
If you didn't need confirmation, you wouldn't need to make these threads.
I am allowed to make conversation in here yes?
I am allowed to make conversation in here yes?Of course you are. That's what we're doing here. But what everyone else is saying doesn't suit you for some reason.
Of course you are. That's what we're doing here. But what everyone else is saying doesn't suit you for some reason.
No one really said anything I think the subject it to far for most.
even Ganja needs to look at my op to get the answere for his last post. Hey if Its to much for every one just leave it guys dont get upset.
You OP doesn't say shit. You can have a discussion about how good or bad evolution is, but not wheter or not you believe in evolution. You keep talking about christians and god so it confuses everyone because you want a discussion about evolution, not religionYou're wrong there, Ganja.
You're wrong there, Ganja.
He wants to discuss god, but uses evolution as an excuse.
Can you show me where I asked to talk about God? Maybe you will choose to ignore this to cover the crap your talking. This is really going over everryones head. I now feel really clever. I never knew there were so many dunces out there lol.You didn't say it anywhere.
You didn't say it anywhere.
But it's just so obvious.
You just want everyone else to "feel god" or whatever.
So what is your point your just trying to trash me and God. What s up man? why you attacking me? I aint hurt or offende you dont have the ability to do that I dont give that to any oneI don't see where I offended or trashed you nor god, especially in that post.
Nah theres two threads one about God the others about evolution. quiote simple really.
So to clarify for you. Evolution is a load of lies. There is only macro. we know that. The rest is crap lies.
Three pages and you dont know what the question was at the start. Surly you know now.?
I don't see where I offended or trashed you nor god, especially in that post.
If anything, I said you're doing - at least in your own mind (and maybe in god's as well? I don't know) - a good job, you're preaching.
What do all the brain boxes think of evoution? This is gonna be so fun
You made it about God not me fact. I am starting to see you twist it now so clear.Well, the thing is, if someone sends me an email titled 'Cheap penis pills', I wouldn't really look at it even if it contained something useful.
Ganja you talking crap. If you wanted a serious dicussion you would have had one.I'm glad you understand me all so well :)
But maybe you are really confused . Sorry if you are . Teddy you have nothing I said it at the start and you proved it all the way from the start. Just sorry there is so much ignorance when I know full well its not nessiery. All the dronos dropped away. But you and ganja persisted more than any with nothing but shit. But evey time you post reaveal more of you and I understand you better in the process.
Ok I get this I started a thread on two subjecys you know knowthing about and you feel a little left of so now you want to show everyone how cleaver you are there a clever boy off you go now and start your own thread and see who wants to talk to you. Stop strying to drial my thread as admin you should know better but obviously dont.You're right, I don't know much about this subject (and it's the same for both, don't kid yourself), but my point is, I don't care.
This thread is not about God.
You think you hurt me? How cute :)
This is just my hourly fun corner ;)
Keep calm, my friend!
SO you dont believe in God.
What do all the brain boxes think of evoution?In my mind it is no longer the Theory of Evolution, but rather the Fact Of Evolution, do you disagree?
We all know that topics like these are pointless, none of us will have any change in opinion because what is written here-
Lovely post! :)
One of the thing about most science or the scientific theories you describe is that they are often approximations.
It doesn't mean they're incorrect, but they might be correct only in certain instances or to a certain degree of accuracy. An easy example is how we view movement and speed. If you're travelling at a small speed compared to the speed of light, adding 2 movements together is very easy and does seem to give the right answer. However, if you consider special relativity, you'll see that the calculations get quite a lot more complicated. And you'll also see that the answer is almost the same at low speeds, yet drastically different at speeds close to that of light.
This doesn't mean that the classical way is wrong, it's just only correct at small speeds.
And that's just one simple example. There are just so many places where something like this is used, most models nowadays are linear while a lot of the processes themselves are nonlinear for example.
It doesn't really matter who wrote it, my answer to it would still have been the same.
Lol what a joke and you are just stupid enough to believe that this dunce (Lord) actully wrote this tripe lol. what a pair of dunces .
Lord you were told at the start dont bring me your copy paste shit here.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/has-evolution-been-proven/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/has-evolution-been-proven/)
You know nothing of God
I dont need to copy paste or google what I speak on.
Abstract:
We consider the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equations $u_t + (u_{xx} + u^p )_x = 0,\,t,x \in R,$ in the subcritical and critical cases p = 2,3,4 or 5. Let $R_j (t,x) = Qc_i (x - c_j t - x_j )$ , where $j \in \{ 1,...,N\} $ , be N soliton solutions of this equation, with corresponding speeds 0 < c₁ < C₂ <. . . < $C_N $ . In this paper, we construct a solution u(t) of the generalized Korteweg-de Vries equation such that $_{t \to + \infty }^{\lim } \left\| {u(t) - \mathop \Sigma \limits_{j = 1}^N R_j \left\| {_{\scriptstyle \hfill \atop \scriptstyle H1(R) \hfill} } \right. = 0.} \right.$ This solution behaves asymptotically as t → +∞ as the sum of N solitons without loss of mass by dispersion. This is an exceptional behavior, indeed, being given the parameters $\{ c_j \} _{1 \le j \le N} .\{ x_j \} _{1 \le j \le N} .$ we prove uniqueness of such a solution. In the integrable cases p = 2 and 3, such solutions are explicitly known and their properties were extensively studied in the literature (they are called N-soliton solutions). Therefore, the existence result is new only for the nonintegrable cases. The uniqueness result is new for all cases.
There's nothing to know about something that doesn't exist.
Why are you bringing god in this discussion AGAIN Vegeta. You were told from the start that god has nothing to do with evolution.
Oh and what's wrong with Lord's copy paste? You don't know if he understands it or not, who are you to judge. He took his knowledge from that link, you took your knowledge from a book thousand of years old.
I never spoke on it. I quoted you . once again for an admin you acting really dumb cause your hurt. Quite fascinating reading all the crap you post though keep it going.
Vegeta - I have lived in different places of this world and I think I have experienced moreSo your traveld I an fairly traveld to.
in life than you ever will.
So call me a dunce I don't really care.If you act the way you do and talk the way you talk you leave me no coise but to call you dumb. Its up to you what I call you not me. Not sure if you will understand that. I dont think you will.
am not a native English Speaker, but I think my English suffices.I would say it does. Its no your English thats the problem its you lack of inteligence. You dont have basic discussion skills. You make braod sweeping statements that any one would recognize as tripe.
The article I copied just explains how science works - that's all - and if you refuse to understand or comprehend any other opinion - what's the use talking to you.Yes And you were told DONT COPY PASTE BECAUSE THE MAN WHO WROTE IT IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND IT. AND YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT ENOUGHT TO DEBATE ON IT. Thats really clear for me but you once again dont read to good.
You are one of the true believers and your booking to heaven has been confirmed.Indeed. And you could be to.
Until then be the gobshyte you wanna be and put yourself above the bible, evolution, science...... - you know it all Baby - you are so marvelous the whole universe shines out your ass with an approval stamp of God of course - which only you understand and no one else - cause you are the Chosen One - let's not forget this.See you now confirm once again that its safe to call you a dunce with a capital D. Not me you confirm it when you talk like a child.
I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what people say to you -I have come to the conclusion that not one person brought any thing to discuss. Did you not see that? Maybe you could show me what anyone brought. I never seen such a bare forum in my puff. Other than the trash you all talk about. Raising the bar in here is really difficult. Other than gaming. The game is great and I thank all who are involved.
because you always want to have the last word and you refuse to come out of the little dreamworld you are living in.
So enjoy the endless conversations with yourself - I am simply not interested any more
in whatever you have to say - there is basically no use talking to someone like you.
And that's it for me - The Chapter Vegeta is closed once and for all
Lord-of-War :style:
Your as think as him if you think he wrote it lol Ganja you dont desrve a reply as you wee never in the duisscusion becauce you are as ignorant as the reast I mentioned.
I never spoke on it. I quoted you . once again for an admin you acting really dumb cause your hurt. Quite fascinating reading all the crap you post though keep it going.You're a joke. You didn't quote shit, you just copied it after googling something.
Vegeta neither you provided any proof.Didn't you see him post a bunch of stuff? Don't remember on which of his threads, but he expects you to read hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of stuff for you to be on par with him. And even if you did and disagreed with him, he would still win by default. For whatever reason.
Ganja you keep shouting the same thing If you believe there is eveidence of evolution please bring it in. PLEASE really please.
You only think we have nothing because you're so entrenched in your beliefs that nothing will sway you, thus we have no argument.Did you or anyone bring someting about evolution NO you never that s why I think you have nothing cause you never brought anything I am begging plaese bring some thing some one lol what a joke.
Likewise, how do you expect us to blindly believe "some guys several thousand years ago said jesus would be around". That's not proof of dick shit.Thats the other thread you all keep getting confused so hard to work wiht you on this lol, I dont expect you or anyone to believ anything. I just bring itI dont force anyone as I have been accused of but one has yet brought any proof of me forcing anyone.
Also if you don't think macro evolution takes place, you obviously haven't watched animals for extended periods of time. It's pretty damn hard to ignore once you look at it and think with your brain.
You're a joke. You didn't quote shit, you just copied it after googling something.
Didn't you see him post a bunch of stuff? Don't remember on which of his threads, but he expects you to read hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of stuff for you to be on par with him. And even if you did and disagreed with him, he would still win by default. For whatever reason.
Evolution proof that it exists:Eh maybe I missed the proof? where is it lol
1. Fossils - are mineral deposits form internal casts of organisms, provides us with a vast quantity of fossils.
2. Fossil's species - there are lots of fossils of species that doesn't exist any more. One of them in just the superorder Dinsosauria alone.
3. Continental Changes around the globe. Like America and Africa.
By the way i can give u other proof's but tell me on which evolution you talking about? genetic maybe? :PWell I am really pleased to here that. Why dont you go back and read what I said instead of giving me a sillie face as if you have me cooked. I mentiond that there are sid forms of evolution. You bring one and a smillie. Lets go with Macro first since Spanky has some proof of Macro in animals.
I will answer for spanky Vegeta, animal list for macro evolution:
Blackflies
curculionid beetles
Gall former fly
Apple maggot fly
House fly and many more
Eh maybe I missed the proof? where is it lol
Yeah we know that and you point is?
Yes we also know that and your point is? I am assuming you have a point.
Yes we know this as well where is you proof of evolution??????
Well I am really pleased to here that. Why dont you go back and read what I said instead of giving me a sillie face as if you have me cooked. I mentiond that there are sid forms of evolution. You bring one and a smillie. Lets go with Macro first since Spanky has some proof of Macro in animals.
The dictionery tells us that what are you telling us?
Fossils can be made in a fortnight. Fact.
Diamonds can be made in labs in 24 hrs.
So if you really have a point please tell?
Hey Vegeta you're stupid. Don't be so defensive against evolution, it really doesn't challenge the existence of a God. The dumb stuff in the Bible challenges it more than science.Apparantly :)
Proof? You mean i need to go and take a photo? testing? Can i have your proof? Cuz u dont know what proof probably means.
Lol so your done aready you dont have any animals? lol new it
I wasnt even looking, neither you have any proof, please quote the proof cuz im not reading ur 10 links
I don't know why this isn't even locked, I mean i had a lot of laughing from this thread but my stomach started to hurt and it's not a nice feeling. Trust in science not religion that's all to say.
vegeta u the most ignorant and naive person i know and this is my last topic on this thread. Sorry I can't have an argument with you when you have a lack of understanding on other views.And I cant have a disscusion with you because you dont know nothing about what you claimed to know.
Dude your god, religion btw every single one etc. sux dude! FYI check this ==> http://www.theperspectivesofnietzsche.com/nietzsche/nuber.html (http://www.theperspectivesofnietzsche.com/nietzsche/nuber.html)He doesn't want you to quote anything because he fears that he might stumble on something he can't overthrow.
Regards the Fubar Ubermen
call that a rant lol.Whatever you wanna call it, you're hurt and taking it out on others. I don't blame you.
Whatever you wanna call it, you're hurt and taking it out on others. I don't blame you.
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So long for an inteligent to come to the forums. I now know how robinson crusoe felt.
They dont have to be inteligent just able to converse would be a giant step forward. No wonder you think we came from monkeys lol Any one looking at this would think you did.
Maybe its true for some . Thats it we hit it right on the nail. evolution is true. you lot came out of the sea and evolved in to maokeys and soon you might be able to hold a conversation wow. I am the leader who can teach you all I can see it now . Man its so clear. I am in charge of the monkeys in here. And I alone cam help you all to leanern and talk and every thing yess. I see it now. First thing we got to do is see if there is any level of supremecy here. any leaders. Ahh the leaders are way in front of the followers but they seem to stuggling with basic communication skills. I will work with them first. starting with teddy. Hey teddy me full grown man. Me show you the wheel, and fire in one day.
In the aftermath of this thread, the Drama and Spam board is a ghost town.
*clears throat*
Climate change is a serious friqqin' problem, something everyone needs to consider and address. By reacting and adapting to climate change, countless social problems can be solved.
They didn't ... Global warming is changing the climate. :SI would rather say that global warming is just a part of climate change.
Really? were is it? Keep in mind that it used to be called global warming. Why did they chamge the name to climate change?
It's called a synonym. We have many in the English language.
Climate change is a serious friqqin' problem, something everyone needs to consider and address. By reacting and adapting to climate change, countless social problems can be solved.
There is no serious conversation in here to be found. Theres only "I think" which equates to zero.Take a minute and say this out loud and let it soak in. If you still don't get it, say it to a mirror.
Take a minute and say this out loud and let it soak in. If you still don't get it, say it to a mirror.x2
I would rather say that global warming is just a part of climate change.... It PROVOKES climate change.
How big the human input into this is, I really don't know.Without fancy words: Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig ... We shifted the coming of the next ice age for some good dozen / tens of thousands years ahead - 'is just behind the door'. So, frankly speaking: We Are Pretty Much F******.
LOL Vegeta you said literally exactly what I expected/wanted you to say.
I can't understand how anyone can really deny climate change. Lake temperatures are rising all over the globe, Arctic is melting, 99% of scientists agree... I mean, if nothing else maybe God is using climate change for an apocalyptic event right??
Take a minute and say this out loud and let it soak in. If you still don't get it, say it to a mirror.
... It PROVOKES climate change.global warming causes an ice age? now thats clever.
Without fancy words: Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig ... We shifted the coming of the next ice age for some good dozen / tens of thousands years ahead - 'is just behind the door'. So, frankly speaking: We Are Pretty Much F******.
he 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
global warming causes an ice age? now thats clever.Climate is a vastly more complex system then temperature. So obviously a significant increase in temprature can change other aspects of the climate, which in turn can - without a doubt - result in a reduction in temperature.
You said global warming provkes climate change and climate change brings and ice age lol so funny. Please bring some eveidence and you soarse.
I guess we're on climate change now? Not sure why people still deny it's a thing. It's quite humorous.
Here's some links that may interest you vegeta. I don't have to time to properly search into this but a quick search showed plenty of results for climate change support. Some of these are public and free articles. I do have access to many scientific articles from academic and professional peer reviewed journals but unfortunately a lot of them are behind a pay wall and I only have access to them from being a University of Michigan student so not able to link anything substantial. But if it's just the amount of people agreeing with climate change you want, take a look at all of these scientific articles. Sure you can actually read most of them, but the abstract describes what they're about.
http://www.sciencemag.org/search?site_area=sciencejournals&y=0&fulltext=climate%20change&x=0&journalcode=sci&journalcode=sigtrans&journalcode=scitransmed&submit=yes (http://www.sciencemag.org/search?site_area=sciencejournals&y=0&fulltext=climate%20change&x=0&journalcode=sci&journalcode=sigtrans&journalcode=scitransmed&submit=yes)
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/)
http://climate.nasa.gov/ (http://climate.nasa.gov/)
If you don't trust US government sites.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article (http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article)
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full)
I'll also give you an except from that last link
Climate is a vastly more complex system then temperature. So obviously a significant increase in temprature can change other aspects of the climate, which in turn can - without a doubt - result in a reduction in temperature.
I didn't read any of the links Killa put up, but I'd bet some of them also talk about how exactly this happens.
However, I'll give you an easy example. You know, when the Earth got struck with an asteroid (or meteor? I don't really know) some 65 million years ago (when the dinosours were wiped out), the asteroid also brought a lot more energy to the earth, immense heat near where the asteroid landed (hence the glass that formed nearby). So temperature should have risen, right? No, because it also made these huge dust clouds that completely covererd the Earth from sunlight and thus made it colder (plus, of coure significantly lessened the oxygen being created). Of course this is just a simplification, but what it means is that it's not just about the one change you see at first site.
The reason I chose this example (while there are others), is because it's also a sudden change (even though infitely more sudden than what we're seeing right now in climate change).
Another thing I've been dying to discuss is your apparant hatred towards citations. I don't suppose you've been a part of a scientific research party? Or even read a scientific article, for that matter?
They are almost always composed of a lot of citations from other, earlier works. If you had to thurally explain every aspect of what you're doing in every article, all the articles would be 10 times longer and would take more than 10 times as long to write, because a lot of the things would need supporting experiments. You cannot do without citing other people's work.
The same should apply in here. Chances are, none of us will have seen evolution at a macro scale, because nobody claims it to work in one generation (and probably none, or very few of us, have scientificly observed it themselves), just as probably none us have themselves measured global warming as it's to do with climate change and climate is a sort of long term whether, the change of which can't be measured within one decade. But the same way, you did not see - let alone write - the actions in the bible. We're all just recollecting (sometimes even citing) what we've seen others do.
OK, well let's try to talk on "topic" here.
Have you ever seen how the human embryo evolves in the uterus? It first looks like a fish and then starts forming more of a human shape. There are many stages of this transformation. It was taught to us in High School, and while I haven't seen it first hand, I have no reason to doubt the research done decades before my time.
Obviously the embryo won't have an "ape" shape, since that's such a small milestone in our evolution, however if this doesn't show that we evolved from another species, I don't know what would.
the fossil record seems not to substantiate creationists’ claims that dinosaurs and humans were contemporariesAnd that's from a religious point of veiw.
What a joke Killaman now decides he wants to come in and have a serious conversation. Because He seems to think that he knows something on global warming/climate change. You have looked up a couple of on board siites that are slanted to the goverments agenda. heard about it all in school. You singed up aswell because the "scientists said so" Go and do some reasearch of your own and once you have a balenced view come back and tell us both sides until you know both sides go away and dont expect me to read that tripe until YOU know what your talking about.
This may just be the funniest thing I've read all week. Sounds like something that would be written on The Onion as it's too ridiculous for me to think that you actually believe in what you type.
Haha, you're linking to a picture. If that's evidence enough for you, I can give you one where I'm on the moon.
EDIT:
And looking at the first entry if searching the web (rather than for pictures), I can find:And that's from a religious point of veiw.
This may just be the funniest thing I've read all week. Sounds like something that would be written on The Onion as it's too ridiculous for me to think that you actually believe in what you type.Yes and i see you avoided the question, No surprises there then :)
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Pretty funny that Vegeta asks for intelligent discussion but chooses to ignore the facts then says that's what we're doing.
See you still have nothing to bring to any of the discussions.
Do our own research? That requires a lot of money man... [EDIT: Wait what did you mean by that exactly? You can't expect us to conduct serious scientific studies..? And you don't accept what the "school" tells us. So you just want us all to cite websites like you did with "bible" in the title?]
I did take a paleoclimatology class a couple years ago though and it's really not that relevant nor profound research (2nd year undergrad) but I guess I did it myself and that seems to be what you're crying for. I used a global circulation model to look at CO2 / CH4 / etc levels in the atmosphere over the course of millennia to show that human changes on greenhouse gas levels began long before industrialization. It was a test of another dude's hypothesis (Ruddiman, I guess look him up if you want he's not that interesting) but my tests supported his theory.
tl;dr
Humans have messed with methane levels ever since we started irrigation and plants decayed faster in rice fields. Climate change is most certainly an intensification of that simple fact: nature goes through cycles to reach equilibrium and we don't understand that completely so we fuck it up.
Take this too, I turned in a paper on the Lake Tahoe physical and cultural landscapes yesterday:
http://www.laketahoenews.net/2013/06/scientist-details-human-impact-on-lake-tahoe/ (http://www.laketahoenews.net/2013/06/scientist-details-human-impact-on-lake-tahoe/)
"Over the course of 30 years, Goldman has also seen the overall temperature of Lake Tahoe increase by about 1 degree. His graphs showed that while the maximum and minimum temperatures of Lake Tahoe fluctuate constantly, the average maximum temperature has remained virtually the same; it is the average minimum temperature that appears to be rising at a relatively steady rate. This means the lake is not cooling off at night like it used to, the result of increased CO2 in the atmosphere."
Hopefully even though you disagree with global warming/climate change, you still do your part to preserve the environment. If not, that's a pretty unchristian thing to do for your family and fellow man.How can I be unchristian in your opinion if there is no God in your opinion?
Good idea, Possessed :)
The other day we were discussing where our country's current leadership is heading (I can't for the life of me think with who, though lol) and we got to communism in 2 different stages. Fun stuff :)
And if Vegeta still doesn't understand that climate change is more complex than mere temprature, he's a lost cause anyway.
At first I was interested by the thread's title. Then, as I caught up to the several on and off-topic replies, I somewhat started to feel very wary of even commenting, let alone share my own take on Evolution and sub-sequently God as one can never really talk about the former without at the very least considering the latter.
Despite this I figured it wouldn't hurt to participate even if only to later realise how de-contextualized or misunderstood my words may have been --or, on the contrary, how lacking my ability to express, understand, percept and summarise may have been altogether.
The aforementioned realisation that within a circunstancial event (1) lies an ever established conflict / morphe between two or more points of perception is the very key to understanding the degree of subjectivity and relativeness that humanity has ever since tried to understand and convey in an objective manner. While this nature-driven premisse enriches and provides versatility and dynamism abundantly it often limits and preemptively prevents us from connecting to the core essence that ties us to the Earth, further inducing humanity unto an individual-based perception of any events in occurrance while simultaenously alienating the value of its various forms of input and output.
(1) - Whether the nature of the conflict in understanding something is made responsible at the expense of an exterior reaction or at the otherwise lack of a clear enough action from its punctual source; --In order words, whether the nature of the conflict arises from the deflected frequency of an output or otherwise the infected input of the same kind.
Evolution henceforth becomes not just a simple matter of belief or proof given how fragile and human-limited these concepts are in nature. It could then be said or otherwise refuted that we understand nothing of the World we live in but merely of the World we, as a form of genetic compromise, can perceive. Given this condition it is then possible to presume Evolution as not being a systematical and cyclical progression/regression from Point A to Point B but rather an a-systematical and terminal form of expression of a single exclusive Point A that is subsequently theorised and hypothesised as progressive or otherwise depending on the given ability to percept at the exact moment of the event.
Figuratively speaking you could say Evolution is not within the sum of the colours and strokes that make a painting but rather in how unrelated they are throughout the process. Evolution exists not in what is but in what isn't. Have you ever thought about it? Religions tells us what is through no need of proof [i.e:. This is a painting and it is absolute as a single entity] whereas Science tells us what could be through the seek and summarise of proof [i.e:. This might be a painting given the sum of its various entities] -- though none look to assert both what was and was not at the given moment of its discovery/contemplation.
Ironically, it is Art who has been most concerned with documenting perception of what was/is and wasn't/isn't. For instance, Prehistoric Art/Paintings are a prime example of this as it produced records of what several animals looked to be and not be, were and weren't and came to be and be not. In this sense, one could bring fundament to the statement that percept of Evolution is only as great as that through which it is expressed. In this regard, the Bible and any other past/current scientific thesis should be considered records of the evolution of its components deflective of conjugal meaning or quantitification as opposed to singular veins from which Evolution is sought perceptively.
P.S:. I might have, well, gotten a bit carried away in all this. I did try writing as little as I could without sacrificing too much of the vital information that coheres around the subject that is Evolution and its fundamental ingredients.
That's my contribution!
/Dan
[Yes Dan you did get carried away. And I noticed you put in a lot of effort in this post compared to your other posts.
Looks like you are looking for some approval/back slapping. So well done nice philasophical post.
When I asked for inteligent conversation. I was only asking we could raise the conversation to my childrens level. What you posted there is completly wasted in here. So if you really want to post something that you actully understand on said subjects please feel free to post.
Seems you might be somewhat of a dipnasophist?
How can I be unchristian in your opinion if there is no God in your opinion?You claim to be christian/religious. My simple point was that if you don't believe our impact on the planet and don't care about it... ruining the world for your fellow man and family isn't very christ-like.
You claim to be christian/religious. My simple point was that if you don't believe our impact on the planet and don't care about it... ruining the world for your fellow man and family isn't very christ-like.
Spanky I do hold you in high esteem here, higher than almost everyone else. But you are going down like a lead ballon lately.I really don't care about having or creating a reputation here. I don't expect to be honored or respected, I'm just another average joe on here.
Do we have an impact on the planet yes and very detremental its been to. Do I believe the lies the usa and europe are telling about the impending disaster, if we dont give money to help our carbon foot print, What a load of shit that is. No I dont believe the blatant lies. All your scientists are goverment funded. They will all do what there told or there out of a job. Wakey wakey guys. Ostriches all that I see here ostriches.If we're wrong about the climate and environment, what's the bad news to come out of that? Nothing. It's unexpected good news. But what if we're right and people continue to do nothing? Life would be very shitty for those able to continue living on this destroyed planet. Just because you haven't seen extreme events linked to climate change or just because you can't see pollution where you live doesn't mean it's non-existent across the globe. The problem with our understanding of the environment is that it's such a vastly complex system with more variables than we can think of. We know pollution exists on many levels, we know what it can do but we don't know what the tipping point is or what the long-term effects will be. But, why not be cautious, why not try to preserve what we do have?
Now please quote where I said I dont care or what I said that gave you reason to print " I dont care"You never said you DID care. The first thing you do is try to insult people or tell everyone they're wrong or being childish rather than respond to pertinent points brought up by other people... you know... discussion.
All your scientists are goverment funded. They will all do what there told or there out of a job.I don't know about scientists in other countries, but where I work (an actual scientific research center), the latter is simply not the case.
I really don't care about having or creating a reputation here. I don't expect to be honored or respected, I'm just another average joe on here.Never said you did Just gave a compliment. But all i do here is make a fool of people. Yes if they ast like clowns they will be told there acting like clowns. How simples that?
If we're wrong about the climate and environment, what's the bad news to come out of that? Nothing. It's unexpected good news. But what if we're right and people continue to do nothing? Life would be very shitty for those able to continue living on this destroyed planet. Just because you haven't seen extreme events linked to climate change or just because you can't see pollution where you live doesn't mean it's non-existent across the globe. The problem with our understanding of the environment is that it's such a vastly complex system with more variables than we can think of. We know pollution exists on many levels, we know what it can do but we don't know what the tipping point is or what the long-term effects will be. But, why not be cautious, why not try to preserve what we do have?
If you can't see global warming you are a bit out of hand then don't you think. If you look to Antarctica and Greenland, the ice there keeps on melting because the temperature keeps droppingI am quite sure you made a mistake here? Temp goes down ice appears
and more and more heat continues to approach there which result in ice being melted. I have actually been near Greenland in the college trip where I had to travel from uk to 1 week trip and I've been there and i've seen pictures and statistic 2007 to 2014 and believe it or not, the situation is not getting better but getting worse.See heres the problem the goverments have puched there agenda on all of there offices schools counsils etc.
Because we heat atmosphere (air) with radiation factories and so on causing this because we waste those products to the atmosphere, so you get my point that for this kind of thing it's our fault for ice melting not the sun solar system.Complete nonsense man any one involved in this knows that the sun has a huge impact on earth temps
Basically you just don't want to see the truth and you will keep ignoring to what I've said, actually I been there and seen the changes with pictures, various tests that they do. Water is rising and in hundred years it could flood the whole continentals. Like spanky said it will happen at one point, we don't know when, maybe we wont see it but generations will if we keep wasting radiation into the air.
Teddy wither you like it or not you will adere to who ever is paying for what ever they are paying for.I don't get what you're saying. Lying would not benefit either of those objectives.
I look for two seconds at your FP7 and gyess what it said about tying in with there policies. Lol
The Framework Programmes for Research have two main strategic objectives:
to strengthen the scientific and technological base of European industry;
to encourage its international competitiveness, while promoting research that supports EU policies.
Did you ever look up there policies or do you just take the money?????????????????
I'm in Guangzhou in China right now and the sky is grey every fucking day, Never seen a blue sky here.
EDIT:And people are wearing breathing masks on the streets.
AND its fucking hot.
They did believe it was the smallest and the were wrong call it any thing you like they were wrong.Educate me then, what makes you say that the atom is not the smallest "thing" (as you describe it)?
Educate me then, what makes you say that the atom is not the smallest "thing" (as you describe it)?You already said it dumb ass.
Vegeta if you say you don't believe in climate change, and everything you say is a government lie, then I say that the '' bible'' is a lie too. All the facts you've got from bible is a lie, lie and lie. Every single word is a lie. If you show me a research or proof of climate change or warming not existing I will give up and say you are right. I believe learning at school and other industries (even travelling to those locations) where ice melting for example is a lie, I am sorry but it's a bullshit. I dont believe it's a government lie what we learn at these industries about most of the stuff. ''EVEN'' NASA'' has shown many significant proofs of ice melting so denying it really makes you ''smart'', And if you don't believe in the websites I show you, then how am I supposed to show you proof? I think you should trust my words because I been near the green land, have you tho? Oh wait I forgot, you believe in god and it's bible but no to science.... Bible and religions were introduced to give faith to ho humanity and to make better peace but it's not helping does it?Ok you are obviously struggling to even look up google.
I don't think anyone could last a discussion or argument with you for at least 5 minutes because you deny mostly everything we say, you put more of your ''arguments'' on top of our views and keep thinking you are quite smart than us and you know mostly everything and when it comes to defence you come up with show proof plz or it wont happened... It's simple, you are a hypocrite and there is nothing more to say with this kind of people like you.
Vegeta I could link you to just as many articles in support of climate change... "look up google" you say but what did you search? Climate change fraud? Climate change conspiracy?
lol Vegeta I like your nickname and all but compare those 20billions with the trillions spent in war.
Peace.
Vegeta there's plenty of reasons to distrust governments but you don't have to immediately deny everything connected to a government... Besides, name something that isn't connected to a government, everything is in one way or another.
Do you realize how unbelievably hypocritical you have been in this thread?
I feel bad for the disrespect you've got but I think that you've earned it with your posts. On the other hand, you have disrespected everyone else.
Do you understand the concept of a carbon footprint? It's not a scam, everyone has one.
I haven't seen anyone in this thread mention forced regulation of carbon output or UN control over countries or anything like that. There's certainly a debate to be had there.
(though you have made it clear that you don't want a debate).
But there isn't much of a debate whether humans have caused changes in the climate. And it's also pretty clear what effects those changes will have, from rising temperatures and sea level to more frequent extreme weather events. Sorry to everyone for bringing up climate change, but like I said I just knew that Vegeta would have a lot to say using typical talking points based on fear because he is so predictable.
I believe that evolution occurs in all life, except humans. I don't think we came from apes but rather that God made us in his image and put us on this Earth so that we could pwn the noob animals and use all the resources, then he'll Rapture us to heaven and start us all over on another planet.
Vegeta...why when a new baby borns,he screams?simple,you cant know , you cant answers,only god knows!
stop doing a big mistake,do not deny god! because god will deny u
man u live here 100 years only ,and its your choice to choose where to live the rest,dont make a mistake and wake up.. please!
So were did every one go last night since I posted? Teddy spanky Armyanticheat so very quite everyone go on holiday with wicked? So many smart arses with there smart ass comments but not one even attempted to answer my question. Wonder why that is?The forum was down for many hours yesterday. Personally, I had better things to do than to check the site after fixing it for pointless discussions.
I will ask again.
If dinosaures were whiped out approxamitly 65 million yeras ago.Your poorly spelled and articulated point is 30 years too late;
and man only started walking the earth 200 0000 years ago.
Howis it possible for there to be dinosaur footpints with a mans right beside it and on top of them in many instances?
Sad when you ask a simple question they all run. But have so much to say on everything else. And always until the question comes up and you all move on. every time. I daont cahnge and dont moves I either back it up or admit I was wrong. But I dont avoid like you lot do.
The forum was down for many hours yesterday. Personally, I had better things to do than to check the site after fixing it for pointless discussions.
Your poorly spelled and articulated point is 30 years too late;
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html)
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/science/fossils-of-man-tracks-shown-to-be-dinosaurian.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/science/fossils-of-man-tracks-shown-to-be-dinosaurian.html)
now my spelling is a problem. What a joke.You're right, it's pretty damn funny. You don't know how to speak your countries major language. To top it off, you get your opinionated information from biased websites that agree with your viewpoint.
You're right, it's pretty damn funny. You don't know how to speak your countries major language. To top it off, you get your opinionated information from biased websites that agree with your viewpoint.
Outright hilarious :)
And what did you do. Exactly the same. Now thats what a hypocrite is exactly.I've linked to many different sources. All your sources have a huge stench of religious propaganda. Just one glance at the sites you've linked show that they're just shoveling and spinning information to cater to your already proven wrong opinion.
Vegeta what is ur point of this thread at all, no one can have a proper discussion with you. You look pathetic with each post.
I've linked to many different sources. All your sources have a huge stench of religious propaganda. Just one glance at the sites you've linked show that they're just shoveling and spinning information to cater to your already proven wrong opinion.
The way I see it:
A) Humans genome is 99% or more equal to apes genome, which suggests at least some linkage. Darwin's theory, we are just another animal with improved brain. Meaning that some apes and other animals have counsciousness like us. Scientific prespective.
B) The few animals that is also omnivorous like us and whose internal organs are quite similar to ours, are the pigs. So we are sort of an hybrid between pigs, apes and an alien life form from Atlantis. Personnal crazy theory which I like to think of just for fun.
C) We are divine beings that created themselves and the universe to have fun in it. Atheistic gnostic theory which I'm also keen to think of as true.
D) We are in fact nothing and everything. We are Order from Chaos, the ultimate reality. We will never know where we came from. Skeptic position.
E) Some higher entity created us. Theistic gnostic.
Yeah, there are other possibilites as well! Right now I'm more inclined to think of as C, however seeing so much stupidity around me makes me really doubt this position and makes me lean torwards D.
Note that A is not self-excludable from others, rather a scientific fact.
Funny your launguges is the same as the scientists.
You mentioned two key words in your post first word is "suggests" and you rounded it off with the other key word "fact" Thats is misleading my friend and anyone with a little nunce will see that a mile away.
So we went from what was a" suggestion" to and absolout "fact" in a few words. And that is how the scientists do it aswell. So either back up the first comment or remove the second. We know all about how close the dna pigs apes monkeys etc are. Suggestions are NOT facts.
The way I see it:
A) Humans genome is 99% or more equal to apes genome, which suggests at least some linkage. Darwin's theory, we are just another animal with improved brain. Meaning that some apes and other animals have counsciousness like us. Scientific prespective.
Note that A is not self-excludable from others, rather a scientific fact.
And your still talking shit. You never looked at anying and are assuming your soarse is correct. So like I said many times now pointless talking to donkeys in here.It's a two-way street.
Yes thats fine as I say we do know that. But if we were made from the dirt as The bible says All that is in us is also in the groud and that is also a scientific fact :)Carbon is everywhere bro.
It's a two-way street.
Carbon is everywhere bro.
But you believe the lies. 1 Vegeta - Spanky 0
100% fact But you Spanky chose to believe the guy who relies on the money for his job.
Hurr durr my great grandpa walk with dinosaurThis post wins this thread. LOL'd so hard.
I haven't read farther than this yet and I'm not going to continue yet (and too drunk/tired to address Vegeta's replies to my posts) but cmon man. He gets paid by the NYT so you can't believe anything he says? Fucking think about this. This is a huge publication with tons of readers. If he was publishing bullshit, there would be quite the backlash (like there is for big publications' propaganda articles on war and rich people and etc.) yet there's not really backlash, except from you?
We rely on people paid to write and do research. You rely on tinfoil hat writers. Hurr durr my great grandpa walk with dinosaur
Continue to believe the liars that run our life and country?
The only people opposing climate change are paid by Koch brothers and others to defend oil/gas interests, you rotten hypocrite. I'm still not responding to your questions cuz I'm not reading those 50 articles you posted. If you have time to read 50 articles of bullshit go build a windmill
This has to be the only thing missing to this thread.Wow he talks just like yall. This is how yall hickys sound in my world. You should all be able to undertand this guy. He spaeks at about your 5 million years ago understanding point. Maybe thats the problem I am typing to fast for yall. Do you want me to slow down so yall can keep up Muhauhauhhahahauhhau. lol. I started taking exerts from here to show my friends. They want me to FB and twitter it. lol. But I know its not fair to be laughing at yall So I said no.
http://youtu.be/Hr6rp0HYgQ8 (http://youtu.be/Hr6rp0HYgQ8)
Wow he talks just like yall. This is how yall hickys sound in my world. You should all be able to undertand this guy. He spaeks at about your 5 million years ago understanding point. Maybe thats the problem I am typing to fast for yall. Do you want me to slow down so yall can keep up Muhauhauhhahahauhhau. lol. I started taking exerts from here to show my friends. They want me to FB and twitter it. lol. But I know its not fair to be laughing at yall So I said no.
I'm really worry about ur psychological problems
Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?
Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?I've felt that way for a while.
I've felt that way for a while.I would believe if YOU or any the others can answer one question I asked. But you cant. But you talk like you know what your talking about. So all I said applys to you to numb nuts
You can't argue with a true believer. He will believe more than you could care to argue.
I've felt that way for a while.
You can't argue with a true believer. He will believe more than you could care to argue.
Anyone else feel like Vegeta is the bottleneck to having a reasonable discussion here?
+1
I see you are still acting like a child in the big boys play ground. Ypu also cliamed to have seen global warming. And cant anser me back. But like a child you come in and agree with anyone who says anything against me. How very childish. You have nothing and you know nothing. Go find something for your selve. You are acting like an imbecile.
One last question for you alone.
DO you have anyhing adult to bring here, to the conversation?
I will guess and say you dont.
Nasa says it and you think that is true. That ass holes never even landed on the moon.
How is agreeing with someone is cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuHow is agreeing with someone is childish?
Speak for your self. You made you false cliams which were total nonsense. You never came back with another responce, then you run and ra ra someones eless post like children do. Speak for your self something relavent or shhhhhh.
Ok, I've suspected all along but now I gotta ask... are you for real? All your posts reek of trolling. If you are trolling, bravo, brilliant performance. If not... fuck I feel sorry for you. I never thought I'd meet someone this incredibly closed-minded and skeptical.
My mind is completly open. Do you have any thing to counter what I say no. So dont feel sorry go find some facts. I see you keep coming back with nothing. I believe thats trolling.To start off, I've just been waken to stand guard by a damn phone in the middle of the night... Thanks, military training! So in other words, I've got time to kill.
I see you are still acting like a child in the big boys play ground.[--]Because 90% of your effort goes into trying to discredit everyone else (unsuccessfully, I might add).
You have nothing and you know nothing. Go find something for your selve. You are acting like an imbecile.
One last question for you alone.
DO you have anyhing adult to bring here, to the conversation?
I will guess and say you dont.
Vegeta, I agree with you that the global elite class is pretty much scum through and through.
I just simply cannot follow your logic on climate change,
and though it might not seem like it to you, I do want to come to an understanding here because I'm sick of this thread (I had my fun now it's just tiring), plus I'm passionate about the environment
and I think you're a good person who wants to do the right thing. And your side to this debate seems so clear to you that I just spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around what it is that ties all of this conspiracy together for you.
So hear me out and explain this to me...
Are all scientists and journalists in on the lie?
Are they working with rich and powerful people to deceive everyone? Or are they ignorant to this big lie, and the scientists conduct their research, and find with 97% agreement that human-induced climate change is occurring despite the fact that it most certainly isn't and it's just a big bankers' lie?
Also, are you saying the climate change narrative is orchestrated by bankers so that they can tax the rich and powerful energy corporations, thus weakening them and strengthening bankers' hold on wealth?The banker role everything they own your country. The stole the right to own your country the land of the trapped. surly you know this? How many rich and powerfull companys do you know who actully pay tax? They dont. SO where is the companys lose. You seem to think if we go green these comanys lose money they are the one who benifit from producing all that is green linked. They had a heads up on making windmills and every solar panel that is produced. They own the companys.
Aren't energy bigwigs also in on the Bilderburger meetings? Is there a war playing out between these rich people? Cuz to me it seems they wage war only on the poor. One of my favorite quotes is by Gore Vidal, it goes something like "rich people don't need to meet behind closed doors to conspire because they all already think alike"
I don't wanna lose your trust/comfort with this last line: but really dude don't live in fear of rich and powerful people, it's a terrible rabbit hole to fall into and I know lots of people who have fallen victim to that. I can already see that from that distrust and fear you've passed it on to scientists (climate, evolutionary, probably more), journalists, seemingly all departments of the US government, and I'm sure others...
'When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.'
ACD
Life without intelligent design is impossible. The human eye or any other for that matter did not evolve let alone a whole man.Because you say so?
Because you say so?
Just read all the reply's. I've done this before but it ended bad, so i'm going to be very careful.Well saying nothing is very carefull :)
@ Gekkou
So the difference between me and you is I have a say so, and you have wiki. Read the OP dumbass.
You're not being called dumbass or whatever else. Use an appropriate language to relate with others.Why would you stand back and say nothing to everyone who called me for everything and not say a word? Then I say dumbass and you come calling what a joke you are dumb ass.
Why would you stand back and say nothing to everyone who called me for everything and not say a word? Then I say dumbass and you come calling what a joke you are dumb ass.
PS matter of fact I never saw you say anything to anyone about the horrendoes things that get said in here. Try explaining that? This is gonna be fun to watch now.
Because 90% of your effort goes into trying to discredit everyone else (unsuccessfully, I might add).