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America's Army => General Chat => Drama & Spam => Topic started by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 03, 2014, 12:39:27 PM
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Okay, you can go against me now. I throw some things for all of you to think about it.
1. You are running assist illegally, the project is illegal and you can hate me for saying that, I have been in RM board for a while to know that.
2. You implemented features to the game illegally, you have made your ''own'' rules illegally since it's not your game. Where do I stop?
3. You are planning to ''force'' use to ban us from shoutboox. You have made bunch of rules on your ''own''.
4. If you saying freedom of expression, opinion or speech doesn't exist on internet so that means rules and any other ''legit'' stuff doesn't exist since it's internet.
5. In relation to freedom of expression, the protection concerns individuals, right to hold
and express opinions, hence oppose the system.
6. The many
commercial elements of Internet co-exist with both personal/private means of
communication and a public sphere, which provide individuals with essentially new
means of expressing themselves, seeking information, meeting, debating, and potentially
opposing the system.
6. The freedom gives citizens the right to criticise the
government and form opposition.
(I can put more bullet points how my freedom of speech is protected, how I can criticise the system of form and so on, don't start throwing your fucking rules that are not legit.
7. Every country has it's own rules, it's own protection of speech, think about where you live and have a read about it.
8. If someone can't handle what I say, they can call a layer and I would still win.
9. You throwing your ''strong basis, I will throw them back, like I told you, I know what I am legit to do or not and I know what you can do or not since In talk to all (admin team that runs this game).
10. Your own rules and TOS does not stand above the law.
11. Internet is virtual life and should not be taken seriously, this is not physical attack by any means nor I integrate with anyone here.
Think about what you are doing ''legit'' and what you are doing now to prevent us from saying whatever we want.
P.S Have teachers in school haven't told you to not seek information on wikipedia? Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, lel, not surprised the college I go to, doesn't allow us to take any information from wikipedia.
Wikipedia says, We do not expect you to trust us. It adds that it is not a primary source and that because some articles may contain errors, you should not use Wikipedia to make critical decisions.
Furthermore, as Wikipedia notes in its,About section, Users should be aware that not all articles are of encyclopaedic quality from the start: they may contain false or debatable information.
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Army I think you're blowing this out of portion. ........
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Im so happy that Dialects is from Eu... plz reply fast
oh no wait... i need to get some new beers in supermarket and make some popcorn! brb
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ArmyAntiCheat, sorry to burst your bubble but your wrong.
Since the shoutbox shows on the website and is hosted on our servers, in which we own. We are responsible in part for the content posted.
Freedom on speech is only actionable against a government suppression (mostly). Along with that it doesn't cover defamation, obscenity, fighting words, and other stuff.
Even though what we have done with assist is in terms "not allowed", we have contacted dev's and staff of the current AA staff and we have the green light to continue with the project as long as we fall within specific terms.
With that said, your argument really has no grounds.
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AAC, I want to ban you from the game and forum for being annoying.
Here's where your points fall apart;
These rules we're posting are for the things WE created. I coded the shoutbox and made the code that integrates it into Assist. It has nothing to do with the game and really, I own it. I'm giving you permission to use it because I'm just that nice. You have no rights to use it, you are simply using it on my good will. Like borrowing something from someone, surely you wouldn't be an asshole and abuse it now would you? Maybe you would, maybe that's the kind of person you are. But, for most people, common sense comes in and they treat it with respect.
When you abuse a system, your permission to use it is taken away. How is that so hard to understand? We are trying to cultivate a friendly and fun community but when you and others display disrespect and hateful attitudes, you lose your permission.
Freedom is great and should be given/available to every single person on the planet with 1 exception; when the freedom you exhibit is conflicting to someone else's freedom or quality of life. Anything from harassment to murder can fall under that exception.
You're welcome to criticize us (like you have been, for quite a while) and we're welcome to do what we see fit with our system. Just like we ban hackers and stat abusers, we can ban other people that are detrimental to the game environment.
There's really no point in arguing it further and I'd suggest that if you want to keep playing the game, quit stirring up shit that's unnecessary.
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You know this reminds me of some person who got banned in the past for buying a cheat, and then went way into lawyer stuff because of the anticheat system.
His name was something like =IGC=Wolf.
Luckily, that person changed, and he became a nice person who would never want to do that stuff anymore.
In other words, stop annoying us with your personality problem, you give a lot of criticism, but as soon as someone mentions who you are, you go into defense mode and nobody is allowed to mention that.
Stop being 2-faced is my biggest advice for you, it will help you in the future.
You know we run this project to let all the players who enjoy playing this game play it. We don't do it for our own gains, we do not have commercial goals or anything, the DEVs already said it was ok for us to do this, and it is ok as long as we are not distributing it on a commercial way. We are not making any money out of it and doing it voluntarily for people like you.
Now instead of being a general pain for everybody, how about you put some respect for people who actually try to help others having fun.
Your attitude is plainly disgusting, seriously. Think about it.
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Challenge accepted. I will parkour into some constructive debate with you since it seems that is the only fuel you seem to be running on right now. Why? Because I'm in a good mood -- I just quit my job.
This will be fun. Get your popcorns ready fellas.
1. You are running assist illegally, the project is illegal and you can hate me for saying that, I have been in RM board for a while to know that.
You can throw the word illegal as many times as you would like and that still won't make Assist illegal. If this case were to go to court, we'd be at most charged on any conventional manners by the unauthorised distribution of America's Army 2.5...which would become void as soon as previous Developers and the respective authorised owner/stature expressed their consent for such actions.
Illegal no more.
2. You implemented features to the game illegally, you have made your ''own'' rules illegally since it's not your game. Where do I stop?
No features have been implemented to the game that weren't already in the AA2 franchise (the SAI, for instance, was ripped off from 2.8.5 so technically it already belonged to the game). Any other features you may take notice of have not been implemented directly into AA as we simply do not have access to the source code of the game.
Furthermore, no rules have been created in regards to the usage of the game itself -- all the rules we have created and currently enforce are directly connected to Assist and its subsequent derivatives such as the forum, shoutbox and the likes. We own all of these. Simple as that.
3. You are planning to ''force'' use to ban us from shoutboox. You have made bunch of rules on your ''own''.
We are not forcing anything onto you. We do not force you to be active on our shoutbox, we do not force you to disrespect others and we do not force you to complain once you've failed to adhere to the ToS to which you agreed to upon registration.
Also, force (as a means and not per-concept) is only applicable either in RL or through reverse psychology --none of which we currently possess the tools, desire, liberty or interest in practising.
4. If you saying freedom of expression, opinion or speech doesn't exist on internet so that means rules and any other ''legit'' stuff doesn't exist since it's internet.
Freedom of expression, opinion or speech (they're all different kinds and entail different concepts within, henceforth rendering your argument fallacious from the get-go) all depends on social contexts, norms, conceptions and ultimately an opposing regime/utopia.
The internet sadly offers none of the aforementioned nor are its various conceptualisations consensual at best. It is therefore impractical to demand any such civilised right unless any one structure has been created to reflect the aforementioned values and contextualising items...which Assist has and does to this day.
5. 6. (I can put more bullet points how my freedom of speech is protected, how I can criticise the system of form and so on, don't start throwing your fucking rules that are not legit.
Some clarification is in order:
The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.
Your bullet points where coherent, your argumentative skills are stable and very pro-keen (perhaps too much?!) on the defence of your truth --one you evidently believe to be final-- you just missed the point and its veracity entirely though.
7. Every country has it's own rules, it's own protection of speech, think about where you live and have a read about it.
Assist is hosted in America. Assist was created in America. Assist abides by the American Law. America's Army is a trademark from America. No matter where you look, left or right, America will always pop up --it's almost scary! We euros need to retaliate! Let's unite comrades!-- therefore it is only natural we operate by the American Law.
8. If someone can't handle what I say, they can call a layer and I would still win.
Let me be honest -- you speak too high of yourself. In fact, your facades are becoming increasingly contrasting. First you were no-one and badly even wrote English, then you became a RM (you were quite helpful back then, I have to add. I'd know, I was the one that added you onto the boards and hand-picked you!), then you went shenanigans on the game and community and now you act like the all-knowing all-mighty hotshot. It's confusing to say the least.
I want you to understand this; I desire no malice towards you. In fact, the only thing I desire is that you may live a happy and prosperous life. Being humble often helps achieving a middle-term between the two and getting ready to take that big leap. Why is it that you can't seem to come to terms with this?!
9. You throwing your ''strong basis, I will throw them back, like I told you, I know what I am legit to do or not and I know what you can do or not since In talk to all (admin team that runs this game).
Off we go again:
legit - legitimate
adjective
1. according to law; lawful:
2. in accordance with established rules, principles, or standards.
4. in accordance with the laws of reasoning; logically inferable; logical:
In accordance to law, your recent attitude towards this community could be treated/considered harassment. Legit = Negative.
In accordance to established rules, principles, standards (we established ours), you're a far-cry from anything legit-related.
In accordance with the laws of reasoning; logically inferable -- I haven't seen a coherent proof-guided argumentation from you. Just a bunch of stuff picked out of nowhere with no real co-relation bundled together to form this impenetrable opinion of yours.
10. Your own rules and TOS does not stand above the law.
Precisely. And you don't stand above our ToS, simple as that. If you don't like our ToS, don't use Assist. You can still play America's Army manually without the interference of a third-party such as ourselves. Otherwise, yes, you need to follow our ToS especially given our ToS replicates the American Law.
11. Internet is virtual life and should not be taken seriously, this is not physical attack by any means nor I integrate with anyone here.
Not being physical does not mean it isn't personal. Internet isn't virtual-life either. If anything it is the virtual expression of very true and real life personalities and emotions alike. That the internet shouldn't be taken seriously is yet another drawn-from-god-knows-where conclusion just there to strengthen your un-strenghtable set of arguments.
Think about what you are doing ''legit'' and what you are doing now to prevent us from saying whatever we want.
I have. We have. We've discussed endlessly about it and even looked for help. Maybe it is you who needs to think the extension of your self-proclaimed legitimateness. To conclude, we're not preventing you to say what you want. We're preventing you from saying stuff that might get you to violate our ToS and therefore American Law. We're being your friends here -- it is only you who don't seem to understand this.
...And that's that! Phew, that took some time, eh? If I may, a little advice; It may be wise to not misjudge/pre-judge others by what you've seen, figured to know or conclude to be certain of.
A wise man once said:
"Trust nothing you hear and trust only half of what you see."
Respectfully,
/Dialects
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Sry had too =p
But yeh be nice to ppl, except t3ddy.
Good reason i took a break from the game is all the bitching and moaning. Not the main reason ofc but it certainly was and still seems to be a big prob. Playing this game is a privilege and not a right, so be happy that there are people who put in a considerate amount of energy and time, to be in turn, lambasted by the community for most often the time is for the most trivial of things.
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Bendawich is always so cool. Damn I wanna be just like him : )
Thanks for the input, though.
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Nice post, Dan :) You sure put a lot of effort into it! :)
And I love you too, benda! :D
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I truly respect assist administration, but AAC is right this time.
Some facts can't be bent. Assist download is purely illegal. And the fact that original developers "close their eyes" does not really matter. They are not owners, they didn't pay for it. USA army & goverment paid for this and owns all rights.
So until you get "green light" from the govt people, you are on a soft ground.
Nice post, Dan :) You sure put a lot of effort into it! :)
It is really unfortunate, that posts are judged by the amount of "smart" sentences contained in it. To be honest, what Dan said is almost pure spam, a lot of elaborate sentences with basically no value.
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I truly respect assist administration, but AAC is right this time.
Some facts can't be bent. Assist download is purely illegal. And the fact that original developers "close their eyes" does not really matter. They are not owners, they didn't pay for it. USA army & goverment paid for this and owns all rights.
So until you get "green light" from the govt people, you are on a soft ground.
It is really unfortunate, that posts are judged by the amount of "smart" sentences contained in it. To be honest, what Dan said is almost pure spam, a lot of elaborate sentences with basically no value.
Yes, in essence the game we're distributing is not ours to distribute and it is, in that sense, illegal.
But the only reason one would bring up such a point is if you would want to shut us down and thus don't want to play AA. In that case it would be easier just to quit.
It's not unfortunate. I don't care how "smart" his posts are, they're based on actual facts and thousands of times more logical as well as clearer to understand than those of AAC. If you don't see it, the fault is in you.
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We got consent from more than just the developers. Spanky (Nate) has mentioned this more than once, too. Their stance is simple: So long as we keep their values and do not in any way or form commercialise Assist, we are in the green-zone.
Your post, unlike ACC's, is well-written and more importantly, well justified. I am slightly disappointed that you'd resume what I wrote to 'almost pure spam' but for each its own.
Your feedback was constructive so it is well welcomed. This thread turned into a-rather-obvious-flame-throttle but the intent still remains; to remind people our aim is to nurture a friendly community and not the other way around.
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Yes, in essence the game we're distributing is not ours to distribute and it is, in that sense, illegal.
But the only reason one would bring up such a point is if you would want to shut us down and thus don't want to play AA. In that case it would be easier just to quit.
No, the reason doesn't have to be destructive. It's only telling the truth, arguing about facts.
It's not unfortunate. I don't care how "smart" his posts are, they're based on actual facts and thousands of times more logical as well as clearer to understand than those of AAC. If you don't see it, the fault is in you.
I'm not comparing AAC and Dan. I only claim that when you distill Dan's post with 100 sentences, all what is left are 1-2 facts. So he is just an elaborate spammer for me.
We got consent from more than just the developers. Spanky (Nate) has mentioned this more than once, too.
Can you refresh my memory? Who (apart from devs) gave you any obligations?
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I truly respect assist administration, but AAC is right this time.
Some facts can't be bent. Assist download is purely illegal. And the fact that original developers "close their eyes" does not really matter. They are not owners, they didn't pay for it. USA army & goverment paid for this and owns all rights.
So until you get "green light" from the govt people, you are on a soft ground.
Actually I'm not sure if this is even needed at this point due to abandonment and fair use laws.
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Back in 2011, no one would have been so shameless to held up a matter like that. It's obvious all the talk it's about the ways and the manners, and not about the objective of the Assist itself. Damn, people are even arguing about shoutbox moderation? For real?
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Actually I'm not sure if this is even needed at this point due to abandonment and fair use laws.
I'm afraid it's just neglectance and handwaving on your part. Can you quote any official statement from government/army about abandoning rights to this thing?
Back in 2011, no one would have been so shameless to held up a matter like that. It's obvious all the talk it's about the ways and the manners, and not about the objective of the Assist itself.
True. And the only conclusion is, some things must have gone wrong and caused tension, which results in such critique voices.
Damn, people are even arguing about shoutbox moderation? For real?
Yes, for real. And the explanation goes below:
I am slightly disappointed that you'd resume what I wrote to 'almost pure spam' but for each its own.
You wrote an essay about how to behave on SB. In particular, not to spam it. Oh the irony... You are in no position to judge others in this matter, because (IMO) you post a lot of what could be considered spam.
And that explains Koden's wondering why people object this.
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This is the only real thing i can find
Over the past nine years more than 12 million registered players have fired billions of rounds as they played in millions of matches. These stats clearly show how hugely successful America's Army 2 has been. Our goal for the future is to make the current America's Army game and future releases even more successful than those in the past, and we're determined to see that happen.
For that reason, as we move forward we are concentrating all our resources on future releases of the game. Unfortunately this means that as of December 18, 2011, we will no longer be supporting the authentication system or statistics tracking for America's Army 2. The game will still be available to play in free-play mode, without Honor points being accrued. AA2 will still be the same game, with the same action and same fun. Matches can still be held and competitions won and lost. Just without the point system.
Also I would point you to this, http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html) from my understanding based on lack of support for the game, and the fact that the game was and still is free, and we don't make money on it that we might fall within fair use. I don't think its negligence because of the fact all we are really doing is redistributing the game. Assist is its own standalone application, our auth system is its own standalone application. To my understanding everything we have added to the game is just a mod. Mod's are in their own grey area because I believe they were not allowed via the AA EULA, but players and staff accepted them.
I do find this a funny conversation of sorts. Do you play AA at all?
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I'm afraid it's just neglectance and handwaving on your part. Can you quote any official statement from government/army about abandoning rights to this thing?
True. And the only conclusion is, some things must have gone wrong and caused tension, which results in such critique voices.
Yes, for real. And the explanation goes below:
You wrote an essay about how to behave on SB. In particular, not to spam it. Oh the irony... You are in no position to judge others in this matter, because (IMO) you post a lot of what could be considered spam.
And that explains Koden's wondering why people object this.
I quitted playing this game because i got bored and because of the average disrespect, that totally takes the fun away for me and for others aswell. To me, it appears as you and AAC are just willing to dissect and debase the few rules that the staff here is trying to enforce. Heck, i've seen plenty of sh!t being posted on the shoutbox, but little really worth arguing and that was going to make sense, and with that i mean even arguments against the Assist - people (including you) don't have valid ones, otherwise it would have been shat down already!
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In some aspects I would agree with AAC and TheJohnny, but in this case these aspects has nothing to do with the topic. Here, definitely Spanky is right and - IMO - Shoutbox Usage & Moderation is really the right solution on those who have a tendency to cross the 'thin red line', which is the freedom of speech.
... and it should be applied to the forum as well.
You know this reminds me of some person who got banned in the past for buying a cheat, and then went way into lawyer stuff because of the anticheat system.
His name was something like =IGC=Wolf.
Luckily, that person changed, and he became a nice person who would never want to do that stuff anymore.
In other words, stop annoying us with your personality problem, you give a lot of criticism, but as soon as someone mentions who you are, you go into defense mode and nobody is allowed to mention that.
Stop being 2-faced is my biggest advice for you, it will help you in the future.
Attacking someone, when you has nothing more to say - lack of arguments - is even worse ...
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You wrote an essay about how to behave on SB. In particular, not to spam it. Oh the irony... You are in no position to judge others in this matter, because (IMO) you post a lot of what could be considered spam.
I don't mind the spamming. Maybe you misread? The subject at hand is not spam but disrespect and general hostile behaviour towards and between other members of this community.
I'm starting to think none of that matters to you though as you seem to have registered solely to partake in this thread without having the slightest interest for what we are trying to achieve here.
I also find it rewarding that you seem so interested in dissing any one contribution/post/word I've put into this and other subjects pertaining to Assist. Do you hold a grudge? Are you an old familiar face? I really see no reason you'd be so insistent unless you're ACC's friend or have an unresolved quarrel with me.
Right as of now, if you as much as go back to both the OP and the subsequent posts, you'll find out that both my intention as well as that of the rest of the Devs/Admins are to make this a community where hostility and harassment is kept out. We had to remember people that is our aim and that we're willing to go ways to keep it so. What is wrong with that?
If you had a family and suddenly saw a killer walk right into your house, would you let him kill your wife and kids out of respect for freedom of expression, speech, action, or any other? I don't think you would, naturally.
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If you are so well behaving Assist Admins, then why did you ban that TheJohnny guy? He didn't seem to break any rule forum, didn't he?
Are you afraid of truth?
He isn't banned, not sure what you're on about. If he were, it'd show up in the logs.
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So I'm back from big ass day work and I do have to say more, by the way no one is friends here, just us agreeing with the fact that the game runs illegally which you think otherwise.
1. Please, show me, the proof that the America's Army developers, all of them and USA Government gave you permission to run the game. Where is the proof? I only heard that you got nice words from 1 dev who worked with this game.
2. If you were given a green light then you would have gotten the source, otherwise lets not jump to conclusion where you are legit to do things.
3. It doesn't matter what you have added, SAI, changed uniforms, the fact is, it was in 2.8, never was in 2.5 (to me its the game upgrade) which is not allowed to do by any means.
4. You have broke many laws running this game, I guess the previous devs or the USA government doesn't know about this, they haven't tried this game, they don't know what is in this game nor who is running this game.
5. Donations, even tho they (might) go to server costs but I could be assuming that it goes to anything. Even having donations is not legit, not your game sorry to say it loud.
6. Jared post made it more clear that the game runs illegally.The devs left this game running but (without auth + point system) that is used now. Is that ''legit'' to you? I assume not. Tracking or any other thing that comes to the game is made illegally. Your Anti Cheat comes illegally.
7. I had taken the screenshot of your previous TOS and anti cheat, it was illegal too.
8. Should I keep going how much illegal things you done? It's not about adding features to the game, the client itself is illegal, everything around is illegal.
9. If I wanted to shut the game or use any action according shut down or suspecting the game legislation all I would need to do is get in contacts with US government and all you should be waiting is an email to your inbox. But why would I need to do that now?
10. Stop fucking forcing us to behave well on shoutbox, close your eyes looking at the right side of the forum. You don't like this feature? The remove it.
11. My personality has nothing to do with anything of this, I only telling you your ''legit'' rights and what are my legit rights.
12. Do you know that you could be fined just being in this ''admin'' group for helping? The fact that the game is not legit, no source or anything that would help in the court if you tell me.
13. The fact that the devs left the game as it was, no points or tracking, no source, but you still found ways to get around it even tho you had no fucking permission, if they wanted you to change things, even the tracking then you would be given that source, so stop trying to get away with what you to blame.
Eliz: I know how much time you have put in this project, all the heart for the people playing it, I love your dedication and I really appreciate that but let me tell you something. You wasting your time keeping 100 player base game which you never improve on adding more, if this is your hobby then you are playing with wrong game in hands which you can be fined outside internet life. If someone really wanted to shut the game down and fined the admin team they really could, just get someone so angry and that person will. Eliz don't be stupid, I know you are capable of more coding, I wish you to become something more than a dead game coder who could get in trouble, if it's not a hobby then I believe the best you can do with your skills is work for a company, I know that many people said this to you, work for industry not for this game, like i said this game and your hands in danger if its a hobby.
P.S Last thing to say to Eliz which I respect more than anyone here, why do you think Johnny quit? and reading this thread I guess you know the answer.
Don't force, don't start making rules that makes us not happy, stop this bs, start changing administration team who thinks they are smarter than anyone here and has more power than us.
Even download site is not legit lel... just think about people where you getting at. If you going to response the same as you did in your previous post don't bother commenting as it would change anything.
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Yawn
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Yawn
It's not for you to worry, seems like you don't even understand what is going about and don't know the real situation according to how this game runs ''legit'' but that free post counts for you :)
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AAC, care to have a chat on Skype? nate.rowe4
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It's not for you to worry, seems like you don't even understand what is going about and don't know the real situation according to how this game runs ''legit'' but that free post counts for you :)
You care to much. I dont give a crap if assist is acting illegal or whatever... i just play whenever i feel like.
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AAC, care to have a chat on Skype? nate.rowe4
Don't have a skype sorry :)
By the way I read that Johnny was banned by Jared? Really? I think Johnny knows more than anyone here about the project and stands bigger than Eliz, he the one who took the project in hands after devs quit. Well he knows at least in what danger all of you are having with this project. That was a terrible act and just shows how ban happy you guys are, how strong you are, how ''equal''' we are, how united we are, how friendly we are.
You really know what hurts me about this community?
People that know each other, people that lick each other asses, friends that defend friends, hurts when you are not accepted into community, when you are abused, newbies getting called noobs or hurted in game, admins don't like me, thats a fact, even dislike me, some admins said it, is it good way of administrating? Every human being, every one of us have different personality, different characters,but we are the same humans with the souls, Nobody should stand above anyone, it doesn't make you special human being, your not bigger, don't be like a rich business man, don't be one of those in high chair, why threaten? why add rules to prevent us from having fun, hard work at work, spill it here on someone, next day he will apologize, its internet, we dont even know each other...
Ask a question, why we can't get long with each other? why we can't accept everyone of who they are...
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Some other IM service then?
Jared didn't ban anyone but himself (deleted his own account today). That Jonny account you're referring to was Pits and while he claims it was banned, it hasn't been. The real Jonny that started this project left on his own accord and through recent e-mails has stated he won't come back. I won't state why, that's his personal choice.
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Ask a question, why we can't get long with each other? why we can't accept everyone of who they are...
This is the very same question us admins are asking, and it's why this thread exists. Why can't you guys just get along? Why all the shoutbox insults and drama? We're sick of seeing it.
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So I'm back from big ass day work and I do have to say more, by the way no one is friends here, just us agreeing with the fact that the game runs illegally which you think otherwise.
1. Please, show me, the proof that the America's Army developers, all of them and USA Government gave you permission to run the game. Where is the proof? I only heard that you got nice words from 1 dev who worked with this game.
2. If you were given a green light then you would have gotten the source, otherwise lets not jump to conclusion where you are legit to do things.
3. It doesn't matter what you have added, SAI, changed uniforms, the fact is, it was in 2.8, never was in 2.5 (to me its the game upgrade) which is not allowed to do by any means.
4. You have broke many laws running this game, I guess the previous devs or the USA government doesn't know about this, they haven't tried this game, they don't know what is in this game nor who is running this game.
5. Donations, even tho they (might) go to server costs but I could be assuming that it goes to anything. Even having donations is not legit, not your game sorry to say it loud.
6. Jared post made it more clear that the game runs illegally.The devs left this game running but (without auth + point system) that is used now. Is that ''legit'' to you? I assume not. Tracking or any other thing that comes to the game is made illegally. Your Anti Cheat comes illegally.
7. I had taken the screenshot of your previous TOS and anti cheat, it was illegal too.
8. Should I keep going how much illegal things you done? It's not about adding features to the game, the client itself is illegal, everything around is illegal.
9. If I wanted to shut the game or use any action according shut down or suspecting the game legislation all I would need to do is get in contacts with US government and all you should be waiting is an email to your inbox. But why would I need to do that now?
10. Stop fucking forcing us to behave well on shoutbox, close your eyes looking at the right side of the forum. You don't like this feature? The remove it.
11. My personality has nothing to do with anything of this, I only telling you your ''legit'' rights and what are my legit rights.
12. Do you know that you could be fined just being in this ''admin'' group for helping? The fact that the game is not legit, no source or anything that would help in the court if you tell me.
13. The fact that the devs left the game as it was, no points or tracking, no source, but you still found ways to get around it even tho you had no fucking permission, if they wanted you to change things, even the tracking then you would be given that source, so stop trying to get away with what you to blame.
Eliz: I know how much time you have put in this project, all the heart for the people playing it, I love your dedication and I really appreciate that but let me tell you something. You wasting your time keeping 100 player base game which you never improve on adding more, if this is your hobby then you are playing with wrong game in hands which you can be fined outside internet life. If someone really wanted to shut the game down and fined the admin team they really could, just get someone so angry and that person will. Eliz don't be stupid, I know you are capable of more coding, I wish you to become something more than a dead game coder who could get in trouble, if it's not a hobby then I believe the best you can do with your skills is work for a company, I know that many people said this to you, work for industry not for this game, like i said this game and your hands in danger if its a hobby.
P.S Last thing to say to Eliz which I respect more than anyone here, why do you think Johnny quit? and reading this thread I guess you know the answer.
Don't force, don't start making rules that makes us not happy, stop this bs, start changing administration team who thinks they are smarter than anyone here and has more power than us.
Even download site is not legit lel... just think about people where you getting at. If you going to response the same as you did in your previous post don't bother commenting as it would change anything.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. game-wise or legality wise. Your lack of understand how Assist, AAO25, and AA 2.5 work together is laughable as well as your understanding of laws that don't even apply to a personal website. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
If you don't like the shoutbox moderation (you seem to be the only one that doesn't) then don't use it. Or leave the game. Either one works.
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. game-wise or legality wise. Your lack of understand how Assist, AAO25, and AA 2.5 work together is laughable as well as your understanding of laws that don't even apply to a personal website. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
If you don't like the shoutbox moderation (you seem to be the only one that doesn't) then don't use it. Or leave the game. Either one works.
Just PM me on this website or [email protected]
And koden, don't get me wrong but drama is good and needed for this game to keep community active, If i had a bad day at work or just want to start some discussion even if it was abusive I would go on sb.
But let's not start different discussion, all I have to say that the game runs illegally, 1 person is enough to shut it down if it runs with suspected legislations. I started this because I don't like that Dialact or whatever his name that came from who knows where and started acting like a big boss around here, I don't like when you use word ''force'' or ''ban'' or any other word that changes rules or prevents us from doing free will that includes using words in shoutbox.
Think for a minute and look at the situation.
P.S killaman, seems like you don't understand situation here or what I say, trying to think and talk smart again or defend this project somehow is stupid from your side, you are one in my bad list admins here. I be glad when you are gone from admin team. Put your ''serious'' words aside.
You think about more website legislations, I think about game legislations. Okay, now tell me killaman, answer me, has anything changed after the devs left this game?
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Just PM me on this website or [email protected]
I'm talking more about the INSTANT part of instant message, not waiting around forever for a reply to a PM and then clogging up my inbox here. Do you use Google Talk?
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All this drama and shit from people like AAC just gives this game a bad image. It is certainly a factor in why I don't play as much anymore. Every time I come on the forums all i see is people whining and complaining about something or another.
Great job moderating the shoutbox though, it is a great step.
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All this drama and shit from people like AAC just gives this game a bad image. It is certainly a factor in why I don't play as much anymore. Every time I come on the forums all i see is people whining and complaining about something or another.
Great job moderating the shoutbox though, it is a great step.
The factor why people don't play this game is because they bored of the same game play.
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Army really what are you trying to accomplish here?????
Want assist no longer to be what it is today?????
I'm so clueless on what you're trying to accomplish here????
I for 1, as many here play this game to relive stress from our real world shit that's going on in our lives...
and it's great to be able to talk with people from all over the world.. I met a lot of online buddies through aa. So something good came from playing this game. . I can't say that for other online game's I've played
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The factor why people don't play this game is because they bored of the same game play.
Or people that cry about every little thing(that would be you).
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If i had a bad day at work or just want to start some discussion even if it was abusive I would go on sb.
I know you're just trolling here (you admitted it yourself, only for shoutbox, but it's all the same for you as we can see), but I figured I'd elaborate on what Killaman concluded so nicely (which you apparantly failed to comprehend).
So I'm back from big ass day work and I do have to say more, by the way no one is friends here, just us agreeing with the fact that the game runs illegally which you think otherwise.
1. Please, show me, the proof that the America's Army developers, all of them and USA Government gave you permission to run the game. Where is the proof? I only heard that you got nice words from 1 dev who worked with this game.
2. If you were given a green light then you would have gotten the source, otherwise lets not jump to conclusion where you are legit to do things.
3. It doesn't matter what you have added, SAI, changed uniforms, the fact is, it was in 2.8, never was in 2.5 (to me its the game upgrade) which is not allowed to do by any means.
4. You have broke many laws running this game, I guess the previous devs or the USA government doesn't know about this, they haven't tried this game, they don't know what is in this game nor who is running this game.
6. Jared post made it more clear that the game runs illegally.The devs left this game running but (without auth + point system) that is used now. Is that ''legit'' to you? I assume not. Tracking or any other thing that comes to the game is made illegally. Your Anti Cheat comes illegally.
8. Should I keep going how much illegal things you done? It's not about adding features to the game, the client itself is illegal, everything around is illegal.
This is all just one point (the 2nd one in the original AA2 license, if you were wondering). If you read the license for AA2, you would know that.
5. Donations, even tho they (might) go to server costs but I could be assuming that it goes to anything. Even having donations is not legit, not your game sorry to say it loud.
You're funny. Donations have nothing to do with AA. Period. You're not required to donate to play, nor do we use these payments to handle AA in any way. We use them to run Assist, it's auth and this site (along with it's shoutbox). All of which we own. If you don't like Assist, however, you can play AA without it.
7. I had taken the screenshot of your previous TOS and anti cheat, it was illegal too.
There is nothing illegal obout having a TOS protecting our own program. If you don't like it, you don't accept it and can't install Assist with its full functionality. You can still play AA without it, though.
9. If I wanted to shut the game or use any action according shut down or suspecting the game legislation all I would need to do is get in contacts with US government and all you should be waiting is an email to your inbox. But why would I need to do that now?
I guess it's because of what you stated: you had a bad day at work.
10. Stop fucking forcing us to behave well on shoutbox, close your eyes looking at the right side of the forum. You don't like this feature? The remove it.
We're not forcing you to use the shoutbox, however, since we (or Spanky rather) own the shoutbox, we're free to modify it as we please. And we are shutting it down for those we feel not worthy of using it. It's plain and simple. You can play AA without using shoutbox. You can still even use Assist without using the shoutbox.
11. My personality has nothing to do with anything of this, I only telling you your ''legit'' rights and what are my legit rights.
Your personaliy has everything to do with the topic that all of this was posted in. As you've stated before, you're just coming here after a bad day to be abusive and stir up some drama. We don't like it as it gives us a bad image in the eyes of current as well as potentially new players. Yet it has nothing to do with what you started stirring up in here.
12. Do you know that you could be fined just being in this ''admin'' group for helping? The fact that the game is not legit, no source or anything that would help in the court if you tell me.
13. The fact that the devs left the game as it was, no points or tracking, no source, but you still found ways to get around it even tho you had no fucking permission, if they wanted you to change things, even the tracking then you would be given that source, so stop trying to get away with what you to blame.
And I'd like you to quote me the source where it says the punishment for administrating a website is a fine. The fact is, this website and Assist are 2 quite different things. You can play on Assist without ever knowing about this here website.
Eliz: I know how much time you have put in this project, all the heart for the people playing it, I love your dedication and I really appreciate that but let me tell you something. You wasting your time keeping 100 player base game which you never improve on adding more, if this is your hobby then you are playing with wrong game in hands which you can be fined outside internet life. If someone really wanted to shut the game down and fined the admin team they really could, just get someone so angry and that person will. Eliz don't be stupid, I know you are capable of more coding, I wish you to become something more than a dead game coder who could get in trouble, if it's not a hobby then I believe the best you can do with your skills is work for a company, I know that many people said this to you, work for industry not for this game, like i said this game and your hands in danger if its a hobby.
P.S Last thing to say to Eliz which I respect more than anyone here, why do you think Johnny quit? and reading this thread I guess you know the answer.
It's becoming more and more clear to me that all you wish is, like stated in this part, to shut Assist down and to not let anyone play AA. I'll not even comment on how you're trying to mask an insult into "respect".
Don't force, don't start making rules that makes us not happy, stop this bs, start changing administration team who thinks they are smarter than anyone here and has more power than us.
Nobody is forcing anything. We're not forcing you to use the shoutbox, we're not forcing you to use the forums. Heck, we're not even forcing you to use Assist. You're free to play AA without it, just like the devs suggested in a post quoted earlier here.
Even download site is not legit lel... just think about people where you getting at. If you going to response the same as you did in your previous post don't bother commenting as it would change anything.
Still the same point as the first bunch, with the added 'don't answer me' clause.
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It's funny how you all stating that nobody could shut this game.
Teddy, I guess you haven't been long enough to understand the circumstances, the more you try to evade the blame the more you will receive, I talked to Nate, he knows exactly whats at stake, don't try to defend like killaman did. Yet no one had ability to answer my question, has anything changed after the devs left? Do you have permission to run the game? If you do show me, to everyone the proof and we can end discussion other wise I would stay quiet since you teddy and the rest responding to each other comments and no adding anything useful nor answering simple question which obviously make me believe that assist runs in the bad way.
Teddy you just showed how plain stupid you are ''still'' answering to my comment even tho you clearly stated you know what I meant in the last line, don't answer if you are going to copy or write the same comment which you did...
It's a shame that Assist admins, most of them don't know what they say, guys please speak to jognny or someone who can help you understand, I know how killaman is scared about the legislation stuff, I still remember when we were discussion about this Eliz face makeover panel and stuff and all he argued was about legit or not legit, clearly most of them stated how deep you are in the shit just sad you don't admit, of course you wont since its public, the more you try to defend the more I add.
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It's funny how you all stating that nobody could shut this game.
Teddy, I guess you haven't been long enough to understand the circumstances, the more you try to evade the blame the more you will receive, I talked to Nate, he knows exactly whats at stake, don't try to defend like killaman did. Yet no one had ability to answer my question, has anything changed after the devs left? Do you have permission to run the game? If you do show me, to everyone the proof and we can end discussion other wise I would stay quiet since you teddy and the rest responding to each other comments and no adding anything useful nor answering simple question which obviously make me believe that assist runs in the bad way.
Teddy you just showed how plain stupid you are ''still'' answering to my comment even tho you clearly stated you know what I meant in the last line, don't answer if you are going to copy or write the same comment which you did...
It's a shame that Assist admins, most of them don't know what they say, guys please speak to jognny or someone who can help you understand, I know how killaman is scared about the legislation stuff, I still remember when we were discussion about this Eliz face makeover panel and stuff and all he argued was about legit or not legit, clearly most of them stated how deep you are in the shit just sad you don't admit, of course you wont since its public, the more you try to defend the more I add.
You truly are funny :)
If you read anything I wrote you'd have read that I answered your so-called question. I'll do it again, since repetition is the mother of all learning.
Yes, things have changed after the official DEVs abandoned this game. No, we don't have official permission to distribute it. And still, it begs the question, why are you bringing it up? And you answered to this yourself quite well:
If i had a bad day at work or just want to start some discussion even if it was abusive I would go on sb.
You're nothing more than a troll. You're not trying to accomplish anything other than to vent from your (apparently awful) everyday life.
As for answering your post, it's just feeding a troll. It's not right, but I chose to do it anyway.
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You truly are funny :)
If you read anything I wrote you'd have read that I answered your so-called question. I'll do it again, since repetition is the mother of all learning.
Yes, things have changed after the official DEVs abandoned this game. No, we don't have official permission to distribute it. And still, it begs the question, why are you bringing it up? And you answered to this yourself quite well:
You're nothing more than a troll. You're not trying to accomplish anything other than to vent from your (apparently awful) everyday life.
As for answering your post, it's just feeding a troll. It's not right, but I chose to do it anyway.
Well thanks for answering, of course you have no permission, then I would recommend for you especially teddy to stay out of my nervous and off this thread. I can only clap for answering question at least that no admin had balls to do it. If you think taking actions against this game is trolling, I don't think so. If i just fucking went here and wrote the email at http://www.usa.gov/ (http://www.usa.gov/) then would you think I will troll with US government? You so fucking smart at this thread, unbelievable.
The game has no permission for you to change the game state at all after the devs left this game. They made free for all with no point or tracking system. They have not given the source code because simply they don't trust you and of course you have no permission to change things. Removing 203 already is a game play change, client change was made, TOS changes, in which makes me think you transforming this game into your game, you implemented SAI, Uniforms has changed, Anti cheat took ss which is breaching into privacy, still anti cheat sees what is running which is another aspect, so many things teddy, I would love to see your face reading this, you laugh but will you laugh long is the question :) I been on this forum 3 years and know exactly what Assist has implemented, what not, I know how deep you are in that shit stack.
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Nobody should stand above anyone, it doesn't make you special human being, your not bigger, don't be like a rich business man, don't be one of those in high chair, why threaten? why add rules to prevent us from having fun, hard work at work, spill it here on someone, next day he will apologize, its internet, we dont even know each other...
Yeap, we do not know each other, but this does not give us the right to disrespect others.
As for 'be equal': in reality, in a democratic system no one is equal - that's why it is different from the socialism. Everywhere you go, always is someone above you or below, but it depends on you where in the social hierarchy you will be.
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The game has no permission for you to change the game state at all after the devs left this game. They made free for all with no point or tracking system. They have not given the source code because simply they don't trust you and of course you have no permission to change things.
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... and what? Legal / illegal who cares ... In case you didn't noticed, no one gives a shit about it. So, what you gonna do - because all this 'blabla' about illegality has nothing to do with Shoutbox, its moderation or even this forum.
Let me give you an example when devs are caring about their stuff:
On a certain forum (where starting from a simple crap from the 80s to a newer version ALL IS ILLEGAL ...) I told people about my plans relative to a certain leaked game and guess what ..? They found me, gave me a warning (under the threat of court process) and forced the admins to ban me from the forum.
Over all conclusion: Take some distance and get over it ...
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Nothing. Except that you were the man teaching other the rules, and playing big admin. People don't like that. You don't have support of the crowd behing you, so don't behave like a leader.
There is nothing to be taught here. There's no one to teach to either. I'm not playing into the 'big admin' act --if I were, I'd be banning people for their inconvenience, which I haven't. I haven't banned a single person in all the time I've been a moderator/administrator.
You and ACC keep on insisting I 'came out of nowhere' whereas truth of the matter is I have been around for longer than any of you has. I started helping Jhonny, Spanky, Assist and mAAp well before any of you showed up. I'm not trying to submerge into comparative reasoning here. If anything, I'm simply refuting (or attempting to) your insistent necessity to act as though I'm playing like a big-admin all of the sudden.
It was me who posted the announcement, yes. But it wasn't just because I felt like doing so. All of the admins/devs concurred that it needed be done. The SB was being abused too much for its own good and for all its worth, drama or no-drama, it's gone quieter and friendlier than before so in that sense our job is done.
At the end of the day, that is all I care.
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All im saying this game runs illegally and you should be careful running it, you should be careful who you talking to because you obviously know what me, or pit (that I don't much like it) can do to this project to hurt it or to end all the hard work, I will start threatening the project if you falsely ban me or anyone else. If i get no reasonable ban or anyone else in the SB I will take actions against the game, the announcement you made will not change, we will still keep spamming, receive bans, make dramas, you just wasted your own time, someone said wisely, inspiration does not help AA nor your rules made any difference. Rules were before and it did not help. I only appreciate couple people here but sadly most of the admins are bad boys here having a crown over the head, and I don't like that, in any game I see powerful admin I do take him or try to take him down, don't understeps us players.
Assist can be shut down by 1 person, all you have to do is contact US government and in the same website you can also contact military officials. Know your own rights, don't act tough and overpowered or self belief that nothing can happen to this project. Any of the players reporting you is enough for game to die, don't make anyone angry, this is not a threat but a warning, we can close topic with what I said.
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=IGC= Wolf said what?
Report us if you feel like it, you will gain nothing by threating the existence of this project.
Now as a request of the original poster, I'll lock this.