Forum

ASSIST, AMERICA'S ARMY COMMUNITY - RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF AMERICA'S ARMY 2.5

Author Topic: SB Drama  (Read 15689 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ArmyAntiCheat

SB Drama
« on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 12:39:27 PM »
Okay, you can go against me now. I throw some things for all of you to think about it.

1. You are running assist illegally, the project is illegal and you can hate me for saying that, I have been in RM board for a while to know that.

2. You implemented features to the game illegally, you have made your ''own'' rules illegally since it's not your game. Where do I stop?

3. You are planning to ''force'' use to ban us from shoutboox. You have made bunch of rules on your ''own''.

4. If you saying freedom of expression, opinion or speech doesn't exist on internet so that means rules and any other ''legit'' stuff doesn't exist since it's internet.

5.
Quote
In relation to freedom of expression, the protection concerns individuals, right to hold
and express opinions, hence oppose the system.

6.
Quote
The many
commercial elements of Internet co-exist with both personal/private means of
communication and a public sphere, which provide individuals with essentially new
means of expressing themselves, seeking information, meeting, debating, and potentially
opposing the system.

6.
Quote
The freedom gives citizens the right to criticise the
government and form opposition.
(I can put more bullet points how my freedom of speech is protected, how I can criticise the system of form and so on, don't start throwing your fucking rules that are not legit.

7. Every country has it's own rules, it's own protection of speech, think about where you live and have a read about it.

8. If someone can't handle what I say, they can call a layer and I would still win.

9. You throwing your ''strong basis, I will throw them back, like I told you, I know what I am legit to do or not and I know what you can do or not since In talk to all (admin team that runs this game).

10. Your own rules and TOS does not stand above the law.

11. Internet is virtual life and should not be taken seriously, this is not physical attack by any means nor I integrate with anyone here.

Think about what you are doing ''legit'' and what you are doing now to prevent us from saying whatever we want.

P.S Have teachers in school haven't told you to not seek information on wikipedia? Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, lel, not surprised the college I go to, doesn't allow us to take any information from wikipedia.

Quote
Wikipedia says, We do not expect you to trust us. It adds that it is not a primary source and that because some articles may contain errors, you should not use Wikipedia to make critical decisions.

Furthermore, as Wikipedia notes in its,About section, Users should be aware that not all articles are of encyclopaedic quality from the start: they may contain false or debatable information.
« Last Edit: Monday, November 03, 2014, 12:58:15 PM by ArmyAntiCheat »

Offline ~=W!CK!D=~

  • Epic Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,614
    • View Profile
Re: SB Drama
« Reply #1 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 12:53:31 PM »
Army I think you're blowing this out of portion. ........

Offline bollie

  • Dedicated Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,120
    • View Profile
Re: SB Drama
« Reply #2 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 12:55:48 PM »
Im so happy that Dialects is from Eu... plz reply fast

oh no wait... i need to get some new beers in supermarket and make some popcorn! brb

Jared

  • Guest
Re: SB Drama
« Reply #3 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 13:00:12 PM »
ArmyAntiCheat, sorry to burst your bubble but your wrong.

Since the shoutbox shows on the website and is hosted on our servers, in which we own. We are responsible in part for the content posted.

Freedom on speech is only actionable against a government suppression (mostly).  Along with that it doesn't cover defamation, obscenity, fighting words, and other stuff.

Even though what we have done with assist is in terms "not allowed", we have contacted dev's and staff of the current AA staff and we have the green light to continue with the project as long as we fall within specific terms.

With that said, your argument really has no grounds.

Offline Spanky

  • <?php echo $opinion .' is better.'; ?>
  • Administrator
  • Posts like a Spanky!
  • *
  • Posts: 10,893
    • View Profile
    • NatesComp.com
  • AA: tigobitties
Re: SB Drama
« Reply #4 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 13:05:57 PM »
AAC, I want to ban you from the game and forum for being annoying.

Here's where your points fall apart;
These rules we're posting are for the things WE created. I coded the shoutbox and made the code that integrates it into Assist. It has nothing to do with the game and really, I own it. I'm giving you permission to use it because I'm just that nice. You have no rights to use it, you are simply using it on my good will. Like borrowing something from someone, surely you wouldn't be an asshole and abuse it now would you? Maybe you would, maybe that's the kind of person you are. But, for most people, common sense comes in and they treat it with respect.

When you abuse a system, your permission to use it is taken away. How is that so hard to understand? We are trying to cultivate a friendly and fun community but when you and others display disrespect and hateful attitudes, you lose your permission.

Freedom is great and should be given/available to every single person on the planet with 1 exception; when the freedom you exhibit is conflicting to someone else's freedom or quality of life. Anything from harassment to murder can fall under that exception.

You're welcome to criticize us (like you have been, for quite a while) and we're welcome to do what we see fit with our system. Just like we ban hackers and stat abusers, we can ban other people that are detrimental to the game environment.

There's really no point in arguing it further and I'd suggest that if you want to keep playing the game, quit stirring up shit that's unnecessary.
It's like shaving your pubes to make your junk look bigger.
Might look bigger, but it aint.....

Offline Bart!

Re: SB Drama
« Reply #5 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 14:10:18 PM »
You know this reminds me of some person who got banned in the past for buying a cheat, and then went way into lawyer stuff because of the anticheat system.

His name was something like =IGC=Wolf.

Luckily, that person changed, and he became a nice person who would never want to do that stuff anymore.


In other words, stop annoying us with your personality problem, you give a lot of criticism, but as soon as someone mentions who you are, you go into defense mode and nobody is allowed to mention that.
Stop being 2-faced is my biggest advice for you, it will help you in the future.


You know we run this project to let all the players who enjoy playing this game play it. We don't do it for our own gains, we do not have commercial goals or anything, the DEVs already said it was ok for us to do this, and it is ok as long as we are not distributing it on a commercial way. We are not making any money out of it and doing it voluntarily for people like you.

Now instead of being a general pain for everybody, how about you put some respect for people who actually try to help others having fun.
Your attitude is plainly disgusting, seriously. Think about it.
« Last Edit: Monday, November 03, 2014, 14:14:23 PM by Bart! »

Offline Dialects

Re: SB Drama
« Reply #6 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 15:06:46 PM »
Challenge accepted. I will parkour into some constructive debate with you since it seems that is the only fuel you seem to be running on right now. Why? Because I'm in a good mood -- I just quit my job.

This will be fun. Get your popcorns ready fellas.



1. You are running assist illegally, the project is illegal and you can hate me for saying that, I have been in RM board for a while to know that.

You can throw the word illegal as many times as you would like and that still won't make Assist illegal. If this case were to go to court, we'd be at most charged on any conventional manners by the unauthorised distribution of America's Army 2.5...which would become void as soon as previous Developers and the respective authorised owner/stature expressed their consent for such actions.

Illegal no more.



2. You implemented features to the game illegally, you have made your ''own'' rules illegally since it's not your game. Where do I stop?

No features have been implemented to the game that weren't already in the AA2 franchise (the SAI, for instance, was ripped off from 2.8.5 so technically it already belonged to the game). Any other features you may take notice of have not been implemented directly into AA as we simply do not have access to the source code of the game.

Furthermore, no rules have been created in regards to the usage of the game itself -- all the rules we have created and currently enforce are directly connected to Assist and its subsequent derivatives such as the forum, shoutbox and the likes. We own all of these. Simple as that.



3. You are planning to ''force'' use to ban us from shoutboox. You have made bunch of rules on your ''own''.

We are not forcing anything onto you. We do not force you to be active on our shoutbox, we do not force you to disrespect others and we do not force you to complain once you've failed to adhere to the ToS to which you agreed to upon registration.

Also, force (as a means and not per-concept) is only applicable either in RL or through reverse psychology --none of which we currently possess the tools, desire, liberty or interest in practising.



4. If you saying freedom of expression, opinion or speech doesn't exist on internet so that means rules and any other ''legit'' stuff doesn't exist since it's internet.

Freedom of expression, opinion or speech (they're all different kinds and entail different concepts within, henceforth rendering your argument fallacious from the get-go) all depends on social contexts, norms, conceptions and ultimately an opposing regime/utopia.

The internet sadly offers none of the aforementioned nor are its various conceptualisations consensual at best. It is therefore impractical to demand any such civilised right unless any one structure has been created to reflect the aforementioned values and contextualising items...which Assist has and does to this day.



5.  6.  (I can put more bullet points how my freedom of speech is protected, how I can criticise the system of form and so on, don't start throwing your fucking rules that are not legit.

Some clarification is in order:
Quote
The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.

Your bullet points where coherent, your argumentative skills are stable and very pro-keen (perhaps too much?!) on the defence of your truth --one you evidently believe to be final-- you just missed the point and its veracity entirely though.



7. Every country has it's own rules, it's own protection of speech, think about where you live and have a read about it.

Assist is hosted in America. Assist was created in America. Assist abides by the American Law. America's Army is a trademark from America. No matter where you look, left or right, America will always pop up --it's almost scary! We euros need to retaliate! Let's unite comrades!-- therefore it is only natural we operate by the American Law.



8. If someone can't handle what I say, they can call a layer and I would still win.

Let me be honest -- you speak too high of yourself. In fact, your facades are becoming increasingly contrasting. First you were no-one and badly even wrote English, then you became a RM (you were quite helpful back then, I have to add. I'd know, I was the one that added you onto the boards and hand-picked you!), then you went shenanigans on the game and community and now you act like the all-knowing all-mighty hotshot. It's confusing to say the least.

I want you to understand this; I desire no malice towards you. In fact, the only thing I desire is that you may live a happy and prosperous life. Being humble often helps achieving a middle-term between the two and getting ready to take that big leap. Why is it that you can't seem to come to terms with this?!



9. You throwing your ''strong basis, I will throw them back, like I told you, I know what I am legit to do or not and I know what you can do or not since In talk to all (admin team that runs this game).

Off we go again:
legit - legitimate
Quote
adjective
1. according to law; lawful:
2. in accordance with established rules, principles, or standards.
4. in accordance with the laws of reasoning; logically inferable; logical:

In accordance to law, your recent attitude towards this community could be treated/considered harassment. Legit = Negative.

In accordance to established rules, principles, standards (we established ours), you're a far-cry from anything legit-related.

In accordance with the laws of reasoning; logically inferable -- I haven't seen a coherent proof-guided argumentation from you. Just a bunch of stuff picked out of nowhere with no real co-relation bundled together to form this impenetrable opinion of yours.



10. Your own rules and TOS does not stand above the law.

Precisely. And you don't stand above our ToS, simple as that. If you don't like our ToS, don't use Assist. You can still play America's Army manually without the interference of a third-party such as ourselves. Otherwise, yes, you need to follow our ToS especially given our ToS replicates the American Law.



11. Internet is virtual life and should not be taken seriously, this is not physical attack by any means nor I integrate with anyone here.

Not being physical does not mean it isn't personal. Internet isn't virtual-life either. If anything it is the virtual expression of very true and real life personalities and emotions alike. That the internet shouldn't be taken seriously is yet another drawn-from-god-knows-where conclusion just there to strengthen your un-strenghtable set of arguments.



Think about what you are doing ''legit'' and what you are doing now to prevent us from saying whatever we want.

I have. We have. We've discussed endlessly about it and even looked for help. Maybe it is you who needs to think the extension of your self-proclaimed legitimateness. To conclude, we're not preventing you to say what you want. We're preventing you from saying stuff that might get you to violate our ToS and therefore American Law. We're being your friends here -- it is only you who don't seem to understand this.





...And that's that! Phew, that took some time, eh? If I may, a little advice; It may be wise to not misjudge/pre-judge others by what you've seen, figured to know or conclude to be certain of.


A wise man once said:
"Trust nothing you hear and trust only half of what you see."


Respectfully,
/Dialects
« Last Edit: Monday, November 03, 2014, 15:15:48 PM by Dialects »
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - George S. Patton

Offline -[unR]BENDAWICH

Re: SB Drama
« Reply #7 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 15:28:03 PM »


Sry had too =p

But yeh be nice to ppl, except t3ddy.

Good reason i took a break from the game is all the bitching and moaning. Not the main reason ofc but it certainly was and still seems to be a big prob. Playing this game is a privilege and not a right, so be happy that there are people who put in a considerate amount of energy and time,  to be in turn, lambasted by the community for most often the time is for the most trivial of things.

Offline Dialects

Re: SB Drama
« Reply #8 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 15:34:07 PM »
Bendawich is always so cool. Damn I wanna be just like him : )

Thanks for the input, though.
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - George S. Patton

Offline teddy_grizzly_bear

  • Used to be known as nobody
  • Administrator
  • Epic Poster
  • *
  • Posts: 5,699
  • what are you looking at?
    • View Profile
  • AA: teddy_grizzIy_bear
Re: SB Drama
« Reply #9 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 15:55:57 PM »
Nice post, Dan :) You sure put a lot of effort into it! :)

And I love you too, benda! :D
<image removed due to imgur stuff - probably for the best>

"Mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true." Bertrand Russell

Offline TheJohnny

Re: SB Drama
« Reply #10 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 16:13:12 PM »
I truly respect assist administration, but AAC is right this time.

Some facts can't be bent. Assist download is purely illegal. And the fact that original developers "close their eyes" does not really matter. They are not owners, they didn't pay for it. USA army & goverment paid for this and owns all rights.

So until you get "green light" from the govt people, you are on a soft ground.

Nice post, Dan :) You sure put a lot of effort into it! :)

It is really unfortunate, that posts are judged by the amount of "smart" sentences contained in it. To be honest, what Dan said is almost pure spam, a lot of elaborate sentences with basically no value.

Offline teddy_grizzly_bear

  • Used to be known as nobody
  • Administrator
  • Epic Poster
  • *
  • Posts: 5,699
  • what are you looking at?
    • View Profile
  • AA: teddy_grizzIy_bear
Re: SB Drama
« Reply #11 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 16:18:07 PM »
I truly respect assist administration, but AAC is right this time.

Some facts can't be bent. Assist download is purely illegal. And the fact that original developers "close their eyes" does not really matter. They are not owners, they didn't pay for it. USA army & goverment paid for this and owns all rights.

So until you get "green light" from the govt people, you are on a soft ground.

It is really unfortunate, that posts are judged by the amount of "smart" sentences contained in it. To be honest, what Dan said is almost pure spam, a lot of elaborate sentences with basically no value.

Yes, in essence the game we're distributing is not ours to distribute and it is, in that sense, illegal.

But the only reason one would bring up such a point is if you would want to shut us down and thus don't want to play AA. In that case it would be easier just to quit.

It's not unfortunate. I don't care how "smart" his posts are, they're based on actual facts and thousands of times more logical as well as clearer to understand than those of AAC. If you don't see it, the fault is in you.
<image removed due to imgur stuff - probably for the best>

"Mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true." Bertrand Russell

Offline Dialects

Re: SB Drama
« Reply #12 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 16:22:15 PM »
We got consent from more than just the developers. Spanky (Nate) has mentioned this more than once, too. Their stance is simple: So long as we keep their values and do not in any way or form commercialise Assist, we are in the green-zone.

Your post, unlike ACC's, is well-written and more importantly, well justified. I am slightly disappointed that you'd resume what I wrote to 'almost pure spam' but for each its own.

Your feedback was constructive so it is well welcomed. This thread turned into a-rather-obvious-flame-throttle but the intent still remains; to remind people our aim is to nurture a friendly community and not the other way around.
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - George S. Patton

Offline TheJohnny

Re: SB Drama
« Reply #13 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 16:22:31 PM »
Yes, in essence the game we're distributing is not ours to distribute and it is, in that sense, illegal.

But the only reason one would bring up such a point is if you would want to shut us down and thus don't want to play AA. In that case it would be easier just to quit.

No, the reason doesn't have to be destructive. It's only telling the truth, arguing about facts.

It's not unfortunate. I don't care how "smart" his posts are, they're based on actual facts and thousands of times more logical as well as clearer to understand than those of AAC. If you don't see it, the fault is in you.

I'm not comparing AAC and Dan. I only claim that when you distill Dan's post with 100 sentences, all what is left are 1-2 facts. So he is just an elaborate spammer for me.

We got consent from more than just the developers. Spanky (Nate) has mentioned this more than once, too.

Can you refresh my memory? Who (apart from devs) gave you any obligations?
« Last Edit: Monday, November 03, 2014, 16:24:34 PM by TheJohnny »

Jared

  • Guest
Re: SB Drama
« Reply #14 on: Monday, November 03, 2014, 16:28:30 PM »
I truly respect assist administration, but AAC is right this time.

Some facts can't be bent. Assist download is purely illegal. And the fact that original developers "close their eyes" does not really matter. They are not owners, they didn't pay for it. USA army & goverment paid for this and owns all rights.

So until you get "green light" from the govt people, you are on a soft ground.

Actually I'm not sure if this is even needed at this point due to abandonment and fair use laws.

 

Download Assist

×

Download Game Client

Important: Battletracker no longer exists. However, old Battletracker accounts may still work. You can create a new 25Assist account here

Download Server Manager