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Offline [Majestic]tidididi

Re: Poke
« Reply #15 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 04:02:52 AM »
You just put smart people and real losers into one box. That's a bit unfair in my opinion.

There are some people who used to laugh into your face after got banned. And there are some people who just made a mistake and wants to repair that.

Maybe you should think about it also?

Statistics are beautiful- XXXXXXXXXX banned players. Nice. But it's only statistic. How much bans are unfair? How much REAL CHETERS are discovered? You don't care.
« Last Edit: Monday, July 16, 2012, 04:05:41 AM by [Majestic]tidididi »

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Re: Poke
« Reply #16 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 04:05:17 AM »
Guys, keep on topic whenever possible... also:
http://aao25.com/general-discussion/aao25-forum-rules/msg28200/?topicseen#new
althrough good points are welcome.
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
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Re: Poke
« Reply #17 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 07:22:26 AM »
If you don't have a chance to be unbanned, why is there even a forum to appeal?

You created it for banned people to appeal, so you created it for a reason!
But now all I can see is "He used poke once" he deservers to be banned - doesn't matter what the reason was.

This feels like I am living in the medievals.
"You either jump down and survive - then you're a witch - or you die and you've proven you're innocent"
eh - what?

So what am I supposed to do?


To be fair, I do understand where you admins are coming from.
Being strict is one thing, and is probably needed to get rid of cheaters.

But again what's the point of these forums (appeal forums), if you dont even spare a thought about unbanning the banned?
If you don't consider unbanning me, please tell me so I don't have to waste my time and get my hopes up.

Also I don't see whats so bad about giving a second chance.
If I do it again - I'll just be banned again.


Anyways thanks for taking your time.
Also thanks to tidididi, wickid and zoxee for standing up for me!


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Thrice
« Last Edit: Monday, July 16, 2012, 07:24:04 AM by Thrice »

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Re: Poke
« Reply #18 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 08:17:31 AM »
If you don't have a chance to be unbanned, why is there even a forum to appeal?

Because there are violations which are somewhat unclear and not always bannable. The poke thing is rather outside that category.

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Re: Poke
« Reply #19 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 08:21:49 AM »
@ Skrewup
Wow.. I guess it doesn't matter what I say - my words will get twisted to the wrong way.

What I was trying to say, is that I want to _know_ if there are ways to cheat, so I will be able to distinguish between a legit player or an exploiter.

If you are saying it like that, the whole Anti-Cheat staff should be banned from playing assist aswell.. because they also tried to figure out this stuff.


Anti-Cheat guys need to know how cheat works in order to do their work

- but that doesn't mean that they actually do cheat.

Anti-Malware guys probably need to know how a virus or malware works
- but that doesn't mean that they actually spread viruses.

What I am trying to say is, that in order to really know the bad stuff, you need to make contact with it -  and not just stay oblivious of it and demonize it.


Anyways thanks for your input Skrewup.
« Last Edit: Monday, July 16, 2012, 08:24:22 AM by Thrice »

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Re: Poke
« Reply #20 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 08:50:43 AM »
@ Skrewup
Wow.. I guess it doesn't matter what I say - my words will get twisted to the wrong way.

What I was trying to say, is that I want to _know_ if there are ways to cheat, so I will be able to distinguish between a legit player or an exploiter.

If you are saying it like that, the whole Anti-Cheat staff should be banned from playing assist aswell.. because they also tried to figure out this stuff.


Anti-Cheat guys need to know how cheat works in order to do their work

- but that doesn't mean that they actually do cheat.

Anti-Malware guys probably need to know how a virus or malware works
- but that doesn't mean that they actually spread viruses.

What I am trying to say is, that in order to really know the bad stuff, you need to make contact with it -  and not just stay oblivious of it and demonize it.


Anyways thanks for your input Skrewup.

Look, you said you were looking for unfair advantages, and the system has proof that you did just that. Regardless of what you say, there is nothing that can confirm your intentions, so the only thing the admins have to go on is the evidence. Besides, you have to understand that you were wrong for doing what you did and you got yourself banned. Now people need to spend time helping/explaining things to you when you did this, knowing it was shady. Do you know how this looks? You are not on a Salem witch trial, there is clear evidence against you, so you can ditch that argument. Maybe if you own what you did and be honest, they'll think about it, but I'm not sure what you expect.

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Re: Poke
« Reply #21 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 08:52:42 AM »
What I am trying to say is, that in order to really know the bad stuff, you need to make contact with it -  and not just stay oblivious of it and demonize it.

Yes, and so? If you think we should unban you based on your request, then following your logic, we shall unban everyone who comes with similar explanation. Well, why ban anybody then? There are no cheaters, only one big family of anti-cheat researchers...

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Re: Poke
« Reply #22 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 09:35:29 AM »
@Goose: I did state the truth in my first and second post - I even quoted the command I had used.

@Pit:

I just typed in a stupid command - nothing happened.

Basically I did nothing, noone reported me, noone even was on the server I used the command.
BAM, global ban - forever.


Yes, cheaters should be banned, that is cheaters that use aimbots and stuff.
But a poke command without an effect is nothing compared to game breaking cheats.

Don't get me wrong.
I am not saying that I shouldn't be punished:

- Warning? Yes, easily would have accepted that.
- Temp ban? Ok aswell.
- Unlimited ban? Way too extreme.

You should seriously overthink your policy, if you want to keep your players.

Offline MothaGoosE

Re: Poke
« Reply #23 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 09:45:17 AM »
Really? That's all you got out of that post?

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Re: Poke
« Reply #24 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 10:06:23 AM »
Really? That's all you got out of that post?

Have you read the rest of my post?
It might've been aimed at Pit, but I guess theres also another answer to your post.

Besides my words I have no proof of being innocent - I am not even saying I am.
I mean I did use the command.

All I am trying to say is that the ban wasn't really necessary for such a minor delict.
If you can really call it that.

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Re: Poke
« Reply #25 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:24:53 PM »
These ban appeal threads just get more and more ridiculous.

@killa, possessed, & pit: do the right thing for the community

@KingTididi: nice job playing the role so many have played before you
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Re: Poke
« Reply #26 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 13:03:32 PM »
after reading all post, i still really don't know what poke is lol, but i guess a cheat is a cheat no matter how small it is

Offline Alex

Re: Poke
« Reply #27 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 13:08:23 PM »
after reading all post, i still really don't know what poke is lol, but i guess a cheat is a cheat no matter how small it is
Pokes is a way to alter certain things in the game to gain unfair advantages. Stuff like no recoil and what not. People create a file with certain commands and activate them via the console. For the longest time it went undetected in 2.5 because there was no way to efficiently check for them. Pokes didn't exist in later versions, not sure which version fixed it.

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Re: Poke
« Reply #28 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 13:12:40 PM »
Pokes is a way to alter certain things in the game to gain unfair advantages. Stuff like no recoil and what not. People create a file with certain commands and activate them via the console. For the longest time it went undetected in 2.5 because there was no way to efficiently check for them. Pokes didn't exist in later versions, not sure which version fixed it.

so basically like setting up keybinds
hopefully it can be looked into and be fixed
possible moving to 2.85?


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Re: Poke
« Reply #29 on: Monday, July 16, 2012, 13:30:10 PM »
so basically like setting up keybinds
hopefully it can be looked into and be fixed
possible moving to 2.85?
It's already fixed, that's why he got kicked. It wasn't possible until the official auth went down.

 

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