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Title: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 21:21:13 PM
 I did read on the process to be unbanned but have noticed that people that where curious to see how some of this hacks work are not being unbanned. Which leads me to what just happened to me.

I was on a site reading on how this hacks work not to gain any advantage over anyone, just curious on how this hacks where done i dropped one file into the system folder to see that hack in action. I had no intentions of gaining honor or any points towards my account like I said. I logged on to a empty server to so the hack in action and noticed nothing had changed. At this time I figured the hack was bogus so went to the system dir to remove the file and it was gone. Hmmm I thought i dropped that file in there so I dropped it back in the folder and started the game back up and was notified of being banned. Shit I thought to myself I play this game for fun and was just seeing how this hacks work and bam! I not allowed to play anymore. I never even used this hack on a server with anyone playing because I know how it would not be fair. Just a word of caution to anyone out there the developers of assist don't want anyone fu!@ing with there system files for any reason and so I'm shit out of luck and so is anyone that just wants to have fun. The fun of wanting to know more on how this game or any other game works with hacks or mods is over.

Not happy about this, so be it I will have to move on from playing this game.....unless the developers want to be less serious about how they deal with people that play the game for fun and not for honor

Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: Rapture on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 21:33:45 PM
lol u should never test anything unless your part of the dev team -_-
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: Alex on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 21:43:31 PM
The file was gone because Assist removes any files that aren't supposed to be there. Also, I'm not sure why you thought "I was testing something" was a good excuse.
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: nailum on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 21:46:06 PM
just wanted to learn more dude I'm 50 years old and just learning how things work no intent on gaining anything except how things work...........
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: Alex on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 21:48:28 PM
just wanted to learn more dude I'm 50 years old and just learning how things work no intent on gaining anything except how things work...........
How exactly is testing  a hack in a server learning how it works? It may show you what it does, but will not show you how it does it. Plus, the hack description tells you what it does, so that excuse is complete BS.
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 21:56:39 PM
I'm inclined to believe this guy. Unfortunately that doesn't mean anything as far as his ban.

A note to you and to anyone else that wants to test;
Download AA 2.5 from somewhere else (Filefront), install it, run a server and test your hack there without Assist running. Assist won't see it and you won't get banned.
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: nailum on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 22:02:11 PM
I'm inclined to believe this guy. Unfortunately that doesn't mean anything as far as his ban.

A note to you and to anyone else that wants to test;
Download AA 2.5 from somewhere else (Filefront), install it, run a server and test your hack there without Assist running. Assist won't see it and you won't get banned.

I guess thats too late for me and I understand there is no mercy In all seriousness Its only ends my fun with this game and I'll miss the game but I don't take gaming that serious to have to gain honor or anything else besides that. Oh well. shit happens
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: nailum on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 22:08:38 PM
How exactly is testing  a hack in a server learning how it works? It may show you what it does, but will not show you how it does it. Plus, the hack description tells you what it does, so that excuse is complete BS.

How did you learning anything you know today ?
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Rapture on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 22:21:30 PM
I think you may have overlooked the TOS agreement which states


The Assist Developers ("Devs") consider cheating through the use of "unauthorized third party programs" a violation of this TOS agreement. An "unauhthorized third party program" is defined, but not limited to, any alteration or add-on that:
   (i) enables or facilitates cheating of any type;
   (ii) allows users to modify or "hack" the AA graphical user interface, environment, and/or experience in any
                      way not expressly allowed by the Assist Devs in the TOS agreement;
   (iii) intercepts, mines or otherwise collects information from the Auth server.


The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
   (i) Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly
        sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation,
                     religion, heritage, etc.
   (ii) Transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive,
                       vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in
                       a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated.
   (iii) Disrupt the flow of chat in AA with vulgar language, abusiveness, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in
                       an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text].
   (iv) Impersonate another person (including celebrities); indicate falsely that you are a Dev, or attempt to
                       mislead users by indicating that you represent Assist or it's Devs.
   (v) Attempt to get a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on Assist
                      or AA.
   (vi) Promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software.
   (vii) Upload files that contain a virus or corrupted data.
   (viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
                        software program or applications.

   (ix) Modify any part of the Assist service.
   (x) Post and/or distribute any player's real-world personal information inside Assist or AA.
   (xi) Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the Assist or AA servers.
   (xii) Use and/or distribute exploits to gain an unfair advantage in a game.

   (xiii) Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing AA.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 22:28:21 PM
I think you may have overlooked the TOS agreement which states


The Assist Developers ("Devs") consider cheating through the use of "unauthorized third party programs" a violation of this TOS agreement. An "unauhthorized third party program" is defined, but not limited to, any alteration or add-on that:
   (i) enables or facilitates cheating of any type;
   (ii) allows users to modify or "hack" the AA graphical user interface, environment, and/or experience in any
                      way not expressly allowed by the Assist Devs in the TOS agreement;
   (iii) intercepts, mines or otherwise collects information from the Auth server.


The Licensee is considered violating the Terms of Service if you, the Licensee:
   (i) Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly
        sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation,
                     religion, heritage, etc.
   (ii) Transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive,
                       vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in
                       a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated.
   (iii) Disrupt the flow of chat in AA with vulgar language, abusiveness, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in
                       an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text].
   (iv) Impersonate another person (including celebrities); indicate falsely that you are a Dev, or attempt to
                       mislead users by indicating that you represent Assist or it's Devs.
   (v) Attempt to get a password, account information, or other private information from anyone else on Assist
                      or AA.
   (vi) Promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software.
   (vii) Upload files that contain a virus or corrupted data.
   (viii) Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility"
                        software program or applications.

   (ix) Modify any part of the Assist service.
   (x) Post and/or distribute any player's real-world personal information inside Assist or AA.
   (xi) Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the Assist or AA servers.
   (xii) Use and/or distribute exploits to gain an unfair advantage in a game.

   (xiii) Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing AA.

I never over looked anything. Did you read my post?  I know I did wrong I'm simply stating and outcome. I've been punished for it so I'm moving on......Have a good night ok....
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Rapture on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 22:28:56 PM
rgr that. u have a good night aswell
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 22:51:28 PM
Oh i forgot
Required Information,
- Player Name = Sgt-Saltgun
- Battletracker ID= nailum
- Reason= I sorry if I offended the developer by not following the TOS my intent was not to use against any other played but to gain an understanding how this hacks work.

Time to move on from here I'd hope.........
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: BiG_SerGiO on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 23:08:17 PM
Hey nailum.
Honestly we can't know for sure if you're talking the truth or not, it's so easy to just come here with a "imba" excuse to get the ban removed, and so i won't even try to realize if it was actually true or not but... "16.09.2012, 13:21". So... Why testing now? Over a year after you started to play?

The game has a AC tool and you got caught for using a cheat, netherless if it was on a empty server or full. Who can assure you would join a full server after if you didn't get caught?
So, to be far, with all others that got caught without no real intention, your account should also remain banned.
My opinion.
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: NoBigDeal on Sunday, November 17, 2013, 23:23:40 PM
How exactly is testing  a hack in a server learning how it works? It may show you what it does, but will not show you how it does it. Plus, the hack description tells you what it does, so that excuse is complete BS.
I'll tell you (without entering to the details)... e.g. in RE (Reverse engineering) the visuals - end result - is very important. It is much easier if you know how given application works / looks / behaves in real time.

Q: Why on Server?
A: Because on LAN you can't test applications like hacks without the  enemies.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 00:05:25 AM
Hey nailum.
Honestly we can't know for sure if you're talking the truth or not, it's so easy to just come here with a "imba" excuse to get the ban removed, and so i won't even try to realize if it was actually true or not but... "16.09.2012, 13:21". So... Why testing now? Over a year after you started to play?

The game has a AC tool and you got caught for using a cheat, netherless if it was on a empty server or full. Who can assure you would join a full server after if you didn't get caught?
So, to be far, with all others that got caught without no real intention, your account should also remain banned.
My opinion.

The only person that would know what I was doing can easily look back on my account activity and see how much I'm not hacking intentionally. You don't have to believe a word I say but I don't have to lie about knowing I f@#ked up and stated that. Go figure making more of it then its even worth. The real hacks got this game beat along time ago and mods and hacks made this game fun. I've been playing multiplayer games from mid 90's dukenukem3d doom, quake and so on. The games had editors and promoted custom maps and mods. That was fun! unreal really opened up the door and thanks to that engine your playing AA. Now that I have read some posts tonight it looks to me  Assist has just taken fun out this game allowing no mods exc. I understand the reasons behind it just understand the history of online gaming and where we are today.. some would believe that the fun is gone with Assist in aspects of allowing all to make custom maps and mods. Thats the sad point.....
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: world- on Monday, November 18, 2013, 00:25:40 AM
The only person that would know what I was doing can easily look back on my account activity and see how much I'm not hacking intentionally. You don't have to believe a word I say but I don't have to lie about knowing I f@#ked up and stated that. Go figure making more of it then its even worth. The real hacks got this game beat along time ago and mods and hacks made this game fun. I've been playing multiplayer games from mid 90's dukenukem3d doom, quake and so on. The games had editors and promoted custom maps and mods. That was fun! unreal really opened up the door and thanks to that engine your playing AA. Now that I have read some posts tonight it looks to me  Assist has just taken fun out this game allowing no mods exc. I understand the reasons behind it just understand the history of online gaming and where we are today.. some would believe that the fun is gone with Assist in aspects of allowing all to make custom maps and mods. Thats the sad point.....

I think assist is a great program and it allows a lot of us to keep on playing a game we love and have played a long time. I started playing this game at 30 years old, now I'm 40 and I still enjoy it.

As far as u testing a hax to learn how they work...I don't think so.. I think you just got tired of getting your ass kicked and wanted to use a hax to be better.. and that's pretty much the same story as all hackers.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Spanky on Monday, November 18, 2013, 00:45:19 AM
Assist still allows mods, you just don't get tracked. Problem?
Assist has plenty of custom maps, the only reason we don't make the editor public is to deal with a unpolished editor and every noob trying to submit a map they think is good when in reality it's just like others. There's few maps that are made well and all those people that made them are long gone from AA, at least AA2.
Title: Re: I f**ked up
Post by: Mixk on Monday, November 18, 2013, 02:51:49 AM
just wanted to learn more dude I'm 50 years old and just learning how things work no intent on gaining anything except how things work...........
You have been playing this game long enough that you should known better than to try anything like this.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Monday, November 18, 2013, 04:21:41 AM
there are many other ways to learn about hacks - you do not need to install them really and play with it.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 18, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
there are many other ways to learn about hacks - you do not need to install them really and play with it.

Actually you do. To be honest, you just need to look at the source of the hack to know quite a lot of it but it does not give you a testing, to install and to play...this gives you testing. This way you test a hack, if the hack works properly and if it needs some debugging. I understand, you only warning others, but listen, assist doesn't give you second chance so there is no point in begging, as you never did and well done. This is just a video game, there are plenty more so move on.

There shouldn't be an excuse implied into this forum. There is no such a story to make admins believe you as how it is happened, i understand that he or her might be lieing but I think he is really not. I think he used it because there is no fun anymore. No more mods and really it's just classical game that will really get boring in the future. Same guns, maps and same people you played thousands times is just going to be a disaster. Not saying nothing to admins, just offering to look at the notification right here. I totally agree, there should be fun, not only classical and normal game. Look at 2.3 version, the best version is out there in the spot, still shining as the best version. Assist is trying to improve the game and move into  today's modern games but it should not. I think what assist should do is try and make 2.3 version, shouldn't be hard as 2.8. It would also attract people because most of today's players are quite bored of the same games all the time. Lets take example, Battlefield, COD, what did these games made really? Nothing, improving engines, and graphics that's all and no fun at all.  I must agree, assist takes all the fun away right now, they implement AA3 maps, whats next? graphics...weapons?  How many more maps we have? They really nothing special, many already moved from AA3 and it was I can say, it was the hatest version of AA.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Monday, November 18, 2013, 12:11:15 PM
50 years old and u felt the need to experiment a cheat, come on dude what where you thinking,
Atlesst you came into forums and where a man about you're mistake, and not making lame excuses like others do,

Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 14:26:22 PM
50 years old and u felt the need to experiment a cheat, come on dude what where you thinking,
Atlesst you came into forums and where a man about you're mistake, and not making lame excuses like others do,

No excuse and I do have experience with game mods and map editing from the past I just don't care to convince the developers that there harsh actions will inevitably limit the player numbers over time and we've already seen this. Gaming should not be so serious. Beside I have linux box on a major backbone that host game servers of many games types. I just wanted to experiment with this hack with this version of AA. All I can do now is share my experience of how the developers deal with people like myself. I'll still come to the forum to see the future outcome because I see where its headed.   
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Ganja on Monday, November 18, 2013, 14:53:04 PM
Gaming should not be so serious.

It's not about being serious. If you use hacks against other people, there's a lot of chance you'll take away their fun. Why would you have more reason to have fun then everyone else ....

On the other side I can a little bit understand you, but it still remains a bad move.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 18, 2013, 14:59:47 PM
No excuse and I do have experience with game mods and map editing from the past I just don't care to convince the developers that there harsh actions will inevitably limit the player numbers over time and we've already seen this. Gaming should not be so serious. Beside I have linux box on a major backbone that host game servers of many games types. I just wanted to experiment with this hack with this version of AA. All I can do now is share my experience of how the developers deal with people like myself. I'll still come to the forum to see the future outcome because I see where its headed.

Everything you say is true.

Developers do take serious actions with the players who broke a rule. I mean, this is just a small video game and is nothing compared to the games like ARMA and so on and on. Yes, the numbers of players will be heading down words, I have already succeeded seeing this happening from the beginning and it doesn't matter really how much time they put in, it is up for them to put that free time of their own to the game. They should give more fun for all because it will be getting boring in the future. 

Yes, ''the gaming should not be taken serious''. Its just a video game, people like to play them and they should be able to play them with at least a second chance. You ruin they enjoyment and a mistake to learn by banning them forever. It's a big lost for the community if its going to continue with the punishment they receive.

Yes, the developers, especially the ''MAIN'' developer ''ELIZ'' is taking too harsh on the punishment. All i can say is that they look at only one point, they look like selfish and very strong being developers and not even ''thinking'' of giving second chance. Maybe i went here too far, but I must say this because it really disappoints the AA lovers. Admins shouldn't even behave like that with the people.

I see where it is heading too mate. It's going to be a disaster even though with those updates they planning. They should re think of the punishment.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Alex on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:11:04 PM


Yes, the developers, especially the ''MAIN'' developer ''ELIZ'' is taking too harsh on the punishment. All i can say is that they look at only one point, they look like selfish and very strong being developers and not even ''thinking'' of giving second chance. Maybe i went here too far, but I must say this because it really disappoints the AA lovers. Admins shouldn't even behave like that with the people.
It disappoints the AA lovers? How? The only people it disappoints are the idiots who try to use hacks and get caught. And if you're trying to hack, you don't really love AA.

It's not like it was an accident or a small lapse of judgment. They searched for a hack on the internet. They put the hack in their AA folder. They loaded up the game and joined an online server intending to use the hack. There are multiple chances for him to realize he shouldn't be doing that, but he did it anyways. I agree with the admins, those people do not deserve a second chance.

Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:16:19 PM
It disappoints the AA lovers? How? The only people it disappoints are the idiots who try to use hacks and get caught. And if you're trying to hack, you don't really love AA.

Why do you think people use hacks? To make them better? No, not really, it is because the game is getting boring, by disabling mod tracking you disable fun which way they get fun for trying hacking. It really does disappoint them, you have removed mod tracking who loved it, isn't this disappointing for them?
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Mixk on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:18:31 PM
Its just a video game, people like to play them and they should be able to play them with at least a second chance. You ruin they enjoyment and a mistake to learn by banning them forever. It's a big lost for the community if its going to continue with the punishment they receive.

Yes, the developers, especially the ''MAIN'' developer ''ELIZ'' is taking too harsh on the punishment. All i can say is that they look at only one point, they look like selfish and very strong being developers and not even ''thinking'' of giving second chance. Maybe i went here too far, but I must say this because it really disappoints the AA lovers. Admins shouldn't even behave like that with the people.
Once again we are hearing how those who are enforcing the rules are to blame and yet that is so far from the truth. Those who knowingly and willingly install a hack with the sole intention to use it to gain an unfair advantage over the majority who want to play and have fun legally are to blame no one else period. You speak how the game is dieing. Allowing people who cheat and hack back will do more damage because when a new player comes along and they get their ass handed to them by a hacker a few times they do and will loose interest in playing this game or worse yet, whip out old google and start searching for a hack themselves
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Mixk on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:22:35 PM
Why do you think people use hacks? To make them better? No, not really, it is because the game is getting boring, by disabling mod tracking you disable fun which way they get fun for trying hacking. It really does disappoint them, you have removed mod tracking who loved it, isn't this disappointing for them?
Now thats a crock. If it is because the game is so damn boring how is it the hacks been in use since the game was in its infancy?  Hell another example, AA4 isn't even out of beta and there has been hacks out for it for months now.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Alex on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:24:18 PM
Why do you think people use hacks? To make them better? No, not really, it is because the game is getting boring, by disabling mod tracking you disable fun which way they get fun for trying hacking. It really does disappoint them, you have removed mod tracking who loved it, isn't this disappointing for them?
Are you really trying to justify hacking? Not to mention your reason is completely ridiculous. If you get bored of a game, then don't play it. Nobody is forcing you to play the game. Leave if you don't like it.

Hell, Id rather have a small community who enjoys the actual game rather than a mid-sized community that does nothing but play Pick-A-Weapon games all the time.

Plus, you can still pay in modded servers, the match just doesn't count towards your stats on BT. The only way this would be bad news is if you only play for stats and not for fun.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:25:35 PM
Once again we are hearing how those who are enforcing the rules are to blame and yet that is so far from the truth. Those who knowingly and willingly install a hack with the sole intention to use it to gain an unfair advantage over the majority who want to play and have fun legally are to blame no one else period. You speak how the game is dieing. Allowing people who cheat and hack back will do more damage because when a new player comes along and they get their ass handed to them by a hacker a few times they do and will loose interest in playing this game or worse yet, whip out old google and start searching for a hack themselves

First, you can't have fun at classical gameplay all the time, it will get boring and don't try to deny my truth of saying. They disabled mods, where is the fun? They enforce people to go look for other games which makes them leave the game. Wasn't this clear ages ago?

People had a choice, they could have played modded servers or normal servers, nobody forced them to play ''modded servers''. Isn't this clear? Oh I m sick of waiting 10min on the normal server till people gets in..., well that just means they want to play modded servers. Im sick of all excuses, it is not even truth you saying...
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Alex on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:27:13 PM
First, you can't have fun at classical gameplay all the time, it will get boring and don't try to deny my truth of saying. They disabled mods, where is the fun? They enforce people to go look for other games which makes them leave the game. Wasn't this clear ages ago?

People had a choice, they could have played modded servers or normal servers, nobody forced them to play ''modded servers''. Isn't this clear? Oh I m sick of waiting 10min on the normal server till people gets in..., well that just means they want to play modded servers. Im sick of all excuses, it is not even truth you saying...
NOBODY DISABLED MODDED SERVERS!!!!! They just aren't tracked anymore, meaning they don't count towards your stats on battletracker.com.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:33:47 PM
It's not about being serious. If you use hacks against other people, there's a lot of chance you'll take away their fun. Why would you have more reason to have fun then everyone else ....

On the other side I can a little bit understand you, but it still remains a bad move.

You know if I run a server that allows hacks and cheats, make this public with access to info on the hacks and how to implement them it will influence development, a spark to new ideas some not so  great but it still allows anyone to be creative with the game in hand. I'm not here to play this game as serious play only, I'd like to be able to have fun with the development of new mods and or so called hacks for fun game play instead of just being handed the same old gun or map.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Ganja on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:34:59 PM
You know if I run a server that allows hacks and cheats, make this public with access to info on the hacks and how to implement them it will influence development, a spark to new ideas some not so  great but it still allows anyone to be creative with the game in hand. I'm not here to play this game as serious play only, I'd like to be able to have fun with the development of new mods and or so called hacks for fun game play instead of just being handed the same old gun or map.

If you wanted to have more fun with hacks, you shoulda done what you say. Shoulda make your own server with cheats enabled, and everyone has god mod and stuff. But you didn't :/
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:36:03 PM
NOBODY DISABLED MODDED SERVERS!!!!! They just aren't tracked anymore, meaning they don't count towards your stats on battletracker.com.

That's the point, people want stats to be tracked because you get points and fun, do you think people join non tracked servers? everybody wants a tracking server or that would just waste life of nothing.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Koden on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:42:02 PM
That's the point, people want stats to be tracked because you get points and fun, do you think people join non tracked servers? everybody wants a tracking server or that would just waste life of nothing.

There are plenty of games where "modded server" aren't tracked. People just don't complain as much as here. Stats aren't the fun itself.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:45:40 PM
If you wanted to have more fun with hacks, you shoulda done what you say. Shoulda make your own server with cheats enabled, and everyone has god mod and stuff. But you didn't :/

I've run may servers not just at an admin level but root to the box that runs the servers. And your right I didn't comply by Assist TOS but we've already come to terms with this. I won't be able to have fun with this game anymore. Oh well, I'm in the same boat as everyone else that has left Assist because of the developers ways of dealing with this, but I'll still hangout and see the outcome. Have fun everyone don't take this game to serious.....
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Alex on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:58:50 PM
That's the point, people want stats to be tracked because you get points and fun, do you think people join non tracked servers? everybody wants a tracking server or that would just waste life of nothing.
Nobody I know that plays this game cares about their stats. Most people play this game for fun, not stats.

In no other game do you get a second chance after being caught hacking, so why did you expect it to be different here?

We actually gave a second chance to everyone with an ACI/AON  ban when this game was first created. I think that's enough.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Ganja on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:03:10 PM
Oh well, I'm in the same boat as everyone else that has left Assist because of the developers ways of dealing with this, but I'll still hangout and see the outcome.

So you do think developers are not dealing well with this?
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Spanky on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:09:25 PM
That's the point, people want stats to be tracked because you get points and fun, do you think people join non tracked servers? everybody wants a tracking server or that would just waste life of nothing.

LOL Everybody plays for points? That's news to me. Those people are the problem with the game. The stat whores that only care about points. The true people that play for fun... we need more of them.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:15:56 PM
LOL Everybody plays for points? That's news to me. Those people are the problem with the game. The stat whores that only care about points. The true people that play for fun... we need more of them.

That's my point just have fun with this game guys I don't care about honor or points.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:18:52 PM
So you do think developers are not dealing well with this?

There dealing with this the way they want. They have thee TOS thats the way it is.......I'm the one that made the mistake not to gain anything but to have fun with the game.   
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Ganja on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:20:35 PM
That's my point just have fun with this game guys I don't care about honor or points.

Hacking will ruin other people's fun.

And if you claim hacking on an empty server, why do it online ... why with assist ...

And btw it's not an error 'not to gain anything and have fun', just enjoy the game as it is ...
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:24:10 PM
Hacking will ruin other people's fun.

And if you claim hacking on an empty server, why do it online ... why with assist ...

My intention was not to ruin anyones fun its was the curiosity of the hack there not much more to it
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Ganja on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:26:11 PM
My intention was not to ruin anyones fun its was the curiosity of the hack there not much more to it

And you think that developers should be able to say 'I believe this story but not the other guys stories'. I mean how can people possibly know if you really not wanted to gain advantage, how can we know if it's not really your dog that put the hack in the folder or your grandmother who was on a tk spree ...
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:41:25 PM
how can we know if it's not really your dog that put the hack in the folder or your grandmother who was on a tk spree ...

Really! I didn't blame anyone or have any excuse I did what I did and this is the out come period. Oh well! Moving on!
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Ganja on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:54:48 PM
Ok, have a good life :)
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, November 18, 2013, 17:13:53 PM
I chill my back and watch.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Dialects on Monday, November 18, 2013, 18:14:49 PM
For all that matters, I would be in a position to grant you a second chance. In fact, I would be in such position towards giving a second chance for every single member that does more than simple plain bitching. Ultimately however, this is my take on the subject of hacking/cheating and does not reflect Assist policies, at least not as of yet.

/Dan
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Monday, November 18, 2013, 20:08:25 PM
For all that matters, I would be in a position to grant you a second chance. In fact, I would be in such position towards giving a second chance for every single member that does more than simple plain bitching. Ultimately however, this is my take on the subject of hacking/cheating and does not reflect Assist policies, at least not as of yet.

/Dan

Thanks Dan for your input....
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Possessed on Monday, November 18, 2013, 23:56:01 PM
so AA3 maps take away the fun of AA... so does the hungry kids in Africa...
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: M_TopSecret on Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 01:15:47 AM
Wow, I seriously can't believe this has gone on to 4 pages! First off Nailum, whom like everyone at least seen the TOS flash before his eyes, then there's ArmyAntiCheat, who with his name alone, one might think he was understanding of the rules with hacking, guess not. Change you name Army, sounds like you'd rather hack anyways no?

It doesn't make the game as a whole, fun, it makes it fun for you cause you can sit back and fuck with people. What fun is that for everyone else as a community?

I could never be an admin or moderator, half of these people are just plain fuckin stupid. Why even post after you hacked? It's not going to get you anywhere. Have you not read anything within this forum and what it's about?

Honestly Nailum, if you've played this game for that long, then you would have known the ways to run your own server without authorization, and if you're saying that you did then you're just fuckin stupid for even trying while running assist. You as well as everyone else in this forum has seen and should know that anti-cheat is still very big within the devs, same for the rest of the community, so by you even trying some shit like that, just makes you another little punk kid like the rest regardless of your age.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Mike Mentzer on Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 03:40:53 AM
That's the point, people want stats to be tracked because you get points and fun, do you think people join non tracked servers? everybody wants a tracking server or that would just waste life of nothing.

hahaha you are wrong search for "ultimate mod lover boys" they got much fun while gang banging.  :weed:
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 12:29:13 PM
To back up my state, I am not a mod lover. Neither was. I was involved a lot within other games and communities and saw the same struggle assist has right now. I am saying that, all the ''modern games'' have new graphics new engines that makes devs try too hard to make the game as realistic as possible where they don't concentrate on making some fun for the players.

I am saying that classical game play will become boring in the future and mostly everyone must agree to this conclusion. If you don't think so, then you don't play the game as often as others. It seems as I was ignored by saying, ''they had always an option to choose where to play''. All this happened because everyone played on modded servers, everyone was tired of them but lets wait and see, they will be asked again after the game becomes boring. Its always like that within every game, You disable that, they want that again after some time. You do something wrong, they want to change that as it was. You left the mods available but they are not tracking. Now I am talking about fun. Do you think people are going to play non tracking server? Never. In many games they aren't and they won't. They wont receive any accomplishment, at this point they won't receive tracking and no honor points for them to level up. All now i am arguing is that people had choice, it was modded players vs classical players. We can leave this as it is but I get to this point in the future when we are going to change plans of making fun.

I don't hack. I just look at the consequences. I am not being selfish. I want everyone to enjoy, even if the person did made a mistake. Everybody should get a second chance, even if it was your worse enemy. I am not talking about pit who had plenty of second chances but he didn't take the opportunity he was given, we don't need people like him. And he shouldn't even be mentioned in the forum, he did a few things but stopped when people required updates and work from him, people were bitching too much which made him change. Anyways back on the topic.

Nailum isn't stupid, he or the community isn't. You see there is personal opinions and aspects of whats better. Nailum has warned people not to try hacking, which is good. He also sounded as he wanted to get a chance to play again. I know and I believe in people for their second chance, they can learn and don't tell me hackers stay hackers. With this kind of Anti System they wouldn't risk again. This is free community, they can speak anything they want and have nothing against the people who is against me or for me. At least the forum has activity in which we discuss.

I respect you ''Top _ Secret'' even if you're not worthy to be respected. I don't think this person nor I had anything against you. You came with your definition of right and wrong and knowing truth from lie. I have nothing wrong for you to tell us something that goes in your head.

All I m saying is that, if you were in the hackers shoe, lightly you saying you will never be, but if you are going to be one day then you are going to beg or ask for a chance to play again. I don't love hackers, but I love challenges. Therefore you have Anti cheat programs fighting hackers to improve the anti each time, without them there wouldn't be any kind of programmatic challenge. I believe in religion and feel as to fresher this community and not to be a big bullies around who knows this game for long time. It doesn't make you harder or tougher, i believe in humanity and I think there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't try to force change rules and I don't know all of the rules that fly around the gaming world. Pretty sure all rules are the same. I am trying to change ''some'' of the rules that would help assist in the future because I have nothing that would help me to change something just for myself as I am not selfish.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 13:50:55 PM
Lmao u gave me the laugh of the day topsecret
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: M_TopSecret on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 13:37:57 PM
People play chess or checkers, all the time, for years and years. Those are games you play because you love the game play, and you enjoy the time spent as well as the comradery. This game is very similar, and I think it would almost be better if there was no tracking, what's the point? If the game dies then it won't make a difference anyways.

My point is, if you're looking for something different within the game then play a modded server, have some fun and screw off a few rounds. Sports is another great example of people who play for the love of the game, and it doesn't change, if you do on the other hand decide to make your own game out of one, then you're playing something different for the fun of it as it's not going to turn into another NFL or MLB world serious. Catching my drift?

Sorry to have sounded harsh in my previous post, I was catching up on my Sons of Anarchy, which in turn filled me with piss and vinegar! lol I still love that Tara though... Mmmmmmm
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: nailum on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 19:55:58 PM
Wow, I seriously can't believe this has gone on to 4 pages! First off Nailum, whom like everyone at least seen the TOS flash before his eyes, then there's ArmyAntiCheat, who with his name alone, one might think he was understanding of the rules with hacking, guess not. Change you name Army, sounds like you'd rather hack anyways no?

It doesn't make the game as a whole, fun, it makes it fun for you cause you can sit back and fuck with people. What fun is that for everyone else as a community?

I could never be an admin or moderator, half of these people are just plain fuckin stupid. Why even post after you hacked? It's not going to get you anywhere. Have you not read anything within this forum and what it's about?

Honestly Nailum, if you've played this game for that long, then you would have known the ways to run your own server without authorization, and if you're saying that you did then you're just fuckin stupid for even trying while running assist. You as well as everyone else in this forum has seen and should know that anti-cheat is still very big within the devs, same for the rest of the community, so by you even trying some shit like that, just makes you another little punk kid like the rest regardless of your age.

Thanks for your support, Its not about being fuckin stupid at all knowbeone canknowbe Its about I wanted to see what the coder of the hack works like. I know how serious everyone one is about this game and its too bad we all cant face the facts that some of us like to venture out beyond the fence like me. Sometimes I think people forget that we are free to do what we wish as long as its not harming others or interfering with there own success if its a game or real life. JS
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: M_TopSecret on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 21:07:14 PM
You would have been free to do as you wish had you not used it within the assist client. Actually you're still free to do as you wish with the game, at least you wont have to worry about getting banned ;)

People who want to venture out and try shit, for the most part, are smart enough with the ways they do it.
Title: Re: Warning: Don't Test Hacks (aka: I f**ked up)
Post by: Rapture on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 21:10:31 PM
this is just gonna go back and forth over and over again. so imma lock this thread, if admins deem this thread to be unlocked then please do so. im just trying to stop the ping pong effect :D

Bottom line for all users

Never assume its ok to test anything that is considered a exploit or hack. Cause you will be BANNED