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America's Army => Anti-Cheat => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: pit-23 on Wednesday, August 01, 2012, 17:53:34 PM
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We reserve the right for assist admins to ban a player if they consider him obvious cheater, e.g after spectating him.
First ban of this kind is a temporary "warning" ban (e.g. for 1-4 weeks). Second is permanent.
Rationale:
Due to technology issues (architecture of PCs/windows/games), cheat authors have always advantage over the anti-cheat creators. Therefore, undetected cheats will always exist, no matter how much we will improve the detection. Our situation is further worsened by the fact, that all big AC organizations (PB, ACI, etc.) dropped support for this game. So in order to make the situation a little bit more even, we reserve the above mentioned right.
I will leave this topic open for a few days, so that everyone can freely bitch, rage, complain, and say how much he hates me for this (too bad someone banned Skrewy, but I will unban him for specifically that purpose). Do it here please, so that you don't need to spam the particular appeal topics. After then it will be closed, and the above statement will be included in that sticky "rules" topic.
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All I have to say about this is simply: You have a handful of sand. Your fist represents authority. The sand represents those under your authority. It's up to you to figure out how hard you should squeeze it.
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wont hear no bitch from me, i totally agree
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I'm with ya 100% but u know that already ;)
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It's up to you to figure out how hard you should squeeze it.
This is something I have to figure out on a nightly basis.
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This is something I have to figure out on a nightly basis.
psssh lol saw that coming. :P
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I really disagree with this. If it's obvious he's wall hacking from viewing him, then use fraps and record it. At least something to show the guy was sketchy. There is just too much room to ban people who do nothing wrong.
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I really disagree with this. If it's obvious he's wall hacking from viewing him, then use fraps and record it. At least something to show the guy was sketchy. There is just too much room to ban people who do nothing wrong.
Exactly. It looks better for the community and most likely won't drive players away, cursing. Pit, if you didn't catch what I was saying before - if you squeeze the sand to tight, it all slips through your fingers. Incoming players want to see a friendly community, and banning without proof just makes asses out of the whole staff, regardless of their involvement. Find a balance. You're not going to catch every cheater.
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Find a balance. You're not going to catch every cheater.
I think it's quite balanced. And it's not like I'm spending whole days looking for cheaters, trying to "manually" ban them all. I only focus on suspicious stuff that comes across my way.
Note that so far I only banned a few players this way (if you don't count the multiple accounts of theirs). It looks otherwise, because each such ban generates a lot of upset and noise.
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I think it's quite balanced. And it's not like I'm spending whole days looking for cheaters, trying to "manually" ban them all. I only focus on suspicious stuff that comes across my way.
Note that so far I only banned a few players this way (if you don't count the multiple accounts of theirs). It looks otherwise, because each such ban generates a lot of upset and noise.
If you want to make the people that are banned look like asses instead, you display proof. Then it looks good for the staff, even if the person banned keeps bitching. Give one good reason why proof shouldn't be required to ban people. Just because it's hard to find proof doesn't mean you should get to "eyeball" it even if you "reserve the right." I'm curious in what Sergio has to say about this, because it seems ridiculous to me.
As a matter of fact, did you even discuss any of this with the other admins before announcing this new joke of a "rule?"
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Give one good reason why proof shouldn't be required to ban people.
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As a matter of fact, did you even discuss any of this with the other admins before announcing this new joke of a "rule?"
Pit control and maintain the Assist Auth System... he can do what he wants with it.
hmmm, 9 of 10 admins agree with him on this. imo
We can schedule a match if you want, you will see why we have to ban this way... theres ppl "italians"ready to pwn the "pros" of America's Army.
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hmmm, 9 of 10 admins agree with him on this.
How are you getting that? First of all, there are only 7 admins here. Second of all, you, pit, and I are the only ones to post our opinion so far. Spanky just made a bad joke. :P
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How are you getting that? First of all, there are only 7 admins here. Second of all, you, pit, and I are the only ones to post our opinion so far. Spanky just made a bad joke. :P
the point is still valid xD, its 4 (or 5) against 3 (or 2) lol
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the point is still valid xD, its 4 (or 5) against 3 (or 2) lol
not really. it's 1vs2 right now. The other admins haven't said anything.
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not really. it's 1vs2 right now. The other admins haven't said anything.
Spanky, Pit, Sergio & Me are in favor of the "non hard proof bans" :idea:
idk bout Utroda neither BB. :shock:
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Spanky, Pit, Sergio & Me are in favor of the "non hard proof bans" :idea:
idk bout Utroda neither BB. :shock:
Spanky hasn't said anything.
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Spanky hasn't said anything.
Nate: FAP
= I Agree.
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Spanky hasn't said anything.
Yea. I'm mostly mixed on the subject. On one hand I want to be fair and only ban with proof and give second chances. On the other hand... well... people would call me the 2nd Hitler.
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Actually i don't agree with this but i totally trust in Pit opinion and wil back him up on this.
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There is too much room for error. Without proof it's your word against the person who is banned. And when you have multiple people in a thread backing up the banned user while you're the only one saying he's hacking, it really ruins your credibility. It shouldn't be like that, that should never happen.
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I feel the eyes on me. Invigilation, lustration, Belarus. Am I on black list? When will I get ban?
But seriously. Good idea, good luck.
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I only focus on suspicious stuff that comes across my way.
I agree with this because there is never smoke without a fire somewhere.
Same thing for the cops, they only go after suspicious people, not the ones living a normal life.
And when you have multiple people in a thread backing up the banned user while you're the only one saying he's hacking, it really ruins your credibility.
Those backers can support whoever they want, they still never played on the accused guy's PC.
Therefore it's irrelevant. The Anti-cheat authority must not bend under the pressure of some yelling crowd.
Nevertheless, i agree with Killa that some videotaped proof should be provided, but...
somehow difficult to achieve. How should it be done ? Give an appointment to the alleged
cheater so we can monitor him ? no. So it would take time to do this in a discrete manner,
look for the guy in the right place at the right time etc...
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Pit seems to be a fair guy, but the question is, does anyone have the knowledge to ban without evidence? One second the "player" is playing normal, other he is headshooting around, it will always be your word against the others...
In my opinion, when a supposed cheater is reported the thread must be instantly closed avoiding that way spamming and useless comments, most drama starts about cheaters/non-cheaters.
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Those backers can support whoever they want, they still never played on the accused guy's PC.
Therefore it's irrelevant. The Anti-cheat authority must not bend under the pressure of some yelling crowd.
You're missing the point. Without proof it's his word against the hacker's. That's dead even. When you have a bunch of other people saying he isn't cheating, that tips it in the banned users favor. That should never happen.
Just because we can't detect every hack doesn't mean we need to overcompensate and ban without evidence.
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Just because we can't detect every hack doesn't mean we need to overcompensate and ban without evidence.
See... you are missing the point, coz this is EXACTLY the weakness that cheaters are trying to exploit,
like "I cheat, u don't have proof, booooo, fuck you, i keep on playin"... i say no.
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See... you are missing the point, coz this is EXACTLY the weakness that cheaters are trying to exploit,
like "I cheat, u don't have proof, booooo, fuck you, i keep on playin"... i say no.
Your point would make sense if we were only banning cheaters without proof. There is just too much room for legit players to get banned. Banning without evidence is an awful idea.
Pit, you can try to rule AA like a dictator, but you can't stop people from leaving. Keep using rules that could potentially punish legit players and you'll have nobody left to play the game.
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Your point would make sense if we were only banning cheaters without proof. There is just too much room for legit players to get banned. Banning without evidence is an awful idea.
Pit, you can try to rule AA like a dictator, but you can't stop people from leaving. Keep punishing legit players and you'll have nobody left to play the game.
Every war has its own little % of collateral damage, wouldn't u agree ?
Important is that this war is worth to be fought. And it is. For the sake of the survival of this game.
People will be thankful once the ship has been cleaned from all the rats believe me.
And don't worry about people leaving, they're all addicted :cool:
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Every war has its own little % of collateral damage, wouldn't u agree ?
Important is that this war is worth to be fought. And it is. For the sake of the survival of this game.
People will be thankful once the ship has been cleaned from all the rats believe me.
This isn't war, it's a fucking video game. Banning legit players will just cause outrage and everyone will quit.
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This isn't war, it's a fucking video game. Banning legit players will just cause outrage and everyone will quit.
Come on, name just one known respected nice old player which banning would have sparked
mass indignation across the community ? There isn't
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Come on, name just one known respected nice old player which banning would have sparked
mass indignation across the community ? There isn't
Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't in the future.
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Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't in the future.
Which brings us back to Pit. He is not stupid and i trust he adult judgement.
And if one day he really turns megalomaniac, abuses his power,
we will simply overthrow him :makemyday:
For the time being, we need a strong, decisive guy who goes thorough into the matter.
Not some weak pussy.
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Not some weak pussy.
Hear what he called you Killa? What are you going to do about that huh? Isn't that against the rules? Banhammer? Post deletion? :)
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Hear what he called you Killa? What are you going to do about that huh? Isn't that against the rules? Banhammer? Post deletion? :)
"weak pussy" stands for a way of thinking, not meant for someone in particular.
The cops say the same, they protect us "for our own good", by force if necessary.
Same here.
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"weak pussy" stands for a way of thinking, not meant for someone in particular.
The cops say the same, they protect us "for our own good", by force if necessary.
Same here.
Awful analogy.The cops don't arrest and throw people in jail without proof. Well, they're not supposed to.
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Awful analogy.The cops don't arrest and throw people in jail without proof.
But investigate and detain them on legal suspicions... those are called warrants.
GREAT IDEA : Let's do the same here : Temporary bans until proven guilty / innocent :D
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But investigate and detain them on legal suspicions... those are called warrants.
GREAT IDEA : Let's do the same here : Temporary bans until proven guilty / innocent :D
Banned people will go to Strasbourg.
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But investigate and detain them on legal suspicions... those are called warrants.
GREAT IDEA : Let's do the same here : Temporary bans until proven guilty / innocent :D
tidididididididididi :style:
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tidididididididididi :style:
we already decided : he will be chartered to lapland and work as a carpenter at santa's gift-storage facility :D
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But investigate and detain them on legal suspicions... those are called warrants.
GREAT IDEA : Let's do the same here : Temporary bans until proven guilty / innocent :D
How would that be possible? THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER WAY. That's the entire point of this thread.
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How would that be possible? THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER WAY. That's the entire point of this thread.
was OJ guilty in ur opinion, should he have gone to jail ?
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was OJ guilty in ur opinion, should he have gone to jail ?
I fail to see how that has anything to do with this situation.
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Everyone knows that he wasted his wife, but there was no "sufficient proof", so he got away with it.
same won't happen here.
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Everyone knows that he wasted his wife, but there was no "sufficient proof", so he got away with it.
same won't happen here.
I seriously hope you're joking. Comparing a murder case to a video game is laughable.
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Everyone knows that he wasted his wife, but there was no "sufficient proof", so he got away with it.
same won't happen here.
Without proof you have nothing, without proof all there is to go by is your own feelings. I dont care if you think OJ was guilty or not, it turned out they did not have proof to convict him so they did not. That is how bans here should work. Banning people without proof is basically the admins saying "We think you are hacking, we cant prove it, but we run this game now so you cant do anything about it" And I for one dont think that is a good reputation for these admins to have.
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And I for one dont think that is a good reputation for these admins to have.
""We"" already have a bad rep. I thank Spanky for this xD
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I seriously hope you're joking. Comparing a murder case to a video game is laughable.
i am, no worries :D
What bothers me is that u give the impression that this percentage of collateral damage
will be huge, which is non-sense. The reality is that Pit will eliminate 9 hackers out of 10
people, well sry for the last legit one, at least he will get away with his life :P
Believe me better that than catching 1 of 10 hackers and see the remaining 9 breaking
bad on our community servers, don't u think ?
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i am no worries :D
What bothers me is that u give the impression that this percentage of collateral damage
will be huge, which is non-sense. The reality is that Pit will eliminate 9 hackers out of 10
people, well sry for the last legit one, at least he will get away with his life :P
Believe me better that than catching 1 of 10 hackers and see the remaining 9 breaking
bad on our community servers, don't u think ?
1 person wrongly banned is 1 too many.
What I find the most disappointing about this thread is Pit's attitude. Apparently legitimate concerns are now "bitching."
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Without proof you have nothing, without proof all there is to go by is your own feelings. I dont care if you think OJ was guilty or not, it turned out they did not have proof to convict him so they did not. That is how bans here should work. Banning people without proof is basically the admins saying "We think you are hacking, we cant prove it, but we run this game now so you cant do anything about it" And I for one dont think that is a good reputation for these admins to have.
This analogy is ridiculous, sry no offense. OJ was released and didn't murder again, kept quiet.
Whereas here as killa would say, is just a video-game, so non-convicted cheaters will feel strong
and will keep on cheating over and over again with even more energy, coz they know they owned u.
That's the big difference.
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I seriously hope you're joking. Comparing a murder case to a video game is laughable.
1 person wrongly banned is 1 too many.
Aren't u contradicting yourself somehow ?
First u state that this is just virtual reality, with no real consequences, but on the other hand
you use the word "banned" as if the person was really banned on some shitty Island...
Well no. the sanction will be just virtual, not able to access game-servers...
That's no drama for the guy, unless he has no real-life.
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Aren't u contradicting yourself somehow ?
First u state that this is just virtual reality, with no real consequences, but on the other hand
you use the word "banned" as if the person would really banned on some shitty Island...
Well no. the sanction will be just virtual, not able to access game-servers...
That's no drama for the guy, unless he has no real-life.
um, just because it's a game doesn't mean we shouldn't care about falsely banning people. We're taking away entertainment for people, that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Also, comparing it to murder is extreme and makes little sense, regardless of how you try to spin it.
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Well i just tried to add my stone to the discussion, now decide for yourselves,
it will be just fine to me coz i know u guys are reliable.
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Well i just tried to add my stone to the discussion, now decide for yourselves,
it will be just fine to me coz i know u guys are reliable.
I'm an admin and I don't even have faith in this decision. Why should anyone else?
Either way, I'm done with this topic until Pit responds, if he responds that is.
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Just remember what Julius Caesar once said : "Divide to conquer".
That's what cheaters relentlessly try to do with us. Don't let them.
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This analogy is ridiculous, sry no offense. OJ was released and didn't murder again, kept quiet.
Whereas here as killa would say, is just a video-game, so non-convicted cheaters will feel strong
and will keep on cheating over and over again with even more energy, coz they know they owned u.
That's the big difference.
lmfao it was your analogy in the first place.
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Well well nice topic we got here. I believe its the only way of banning undetected hackers, so it has his positive side, but on the other hand, how can you be so sure someone uses wallhack or aimbot or smt else and others don't. How can you make a difference between tdidi and a hacker ... This is kinda impossible.
Refering to Denaturat case, I've been playing with him many hours and I know that guy is a pro spammer, he's been playing Bridge for 7 years and can spam you anywhere. Now you're accusing him of wallhacking, so I'm wondering if it's not a mistake, that's why a video would be good to see you're not mistaken, without pretending you're not right ...
I just can't imagine hhow hard it must feel to be banned as a clean player playing since 7 years. Now if he's a hacker, well done ...
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Pit, you can try to rule AA like a dictator, but you can't stop people from leaving. Keep using rules that could potentially punish legit players and you'll have nobody left to play the game.
I perfectly understand that you don't like this way of banning, I don't like it also, there is nothing likable in it. But please spare me this "Pit is a dictator and goes after good legit players" talk, cause this is not what is happening. And don't talk about "potential", there is always a potential for abuse when we control the auth system.
I seriously hope you're joking. Comparing a murder case to a video game is laughable.
Just like comparing a ban to throwing people in jail...
What I find the most disappointing about this thread is Pit's attitude. Apparently legitimate concerns are now "bitching."
Why you think I referred to all critic as bitching? By bitching I meant... well... bitching, there was a bit of it, wasn't it?
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Pit, you can try to rule AA like a dictator, but you can't stop people from leaving. Keep using rules that could potentially punish legit players and you'll have nobody left to play the game.
One more comment regarding the "dictator" thing.
Does any of you remember how Jonny approached the topic of cheating, when he was here? Let me remind you: "if there is undetected hack, I will shut down the authorization". And he was not joking. Well, that makes me look like a "weak pussy" in comparison, doesn't it? I remember me arguing with him, and saying it would be like nuking the whole city because of a few terrorists in there. And I don't remember any of admins protesting then too much.
So shutting down the whole game was OK for you, and now you call me a dictator, because I made a few bans (with some being a _perfect_ hits, if you remember)? I find that funny.
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Someone had to do it, you did, now people have someone to blame, but I guess you're doing the right thing in such situations
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This topic is asinine. Look. Bans should require proof (like they used to) because there is the possibility of banning legit players. You can claim to have a perfect streak all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you can still take a video and discuss it with other admins. Banning people on your own without consulting any of the other anti-cheat members when there is no proof <b>is</b> abuse of authority. Abuse of authority <b>will</b> destroy what's left of the community if it lasts too long. Is that worth catching a few more possible cheaters? Are you kidding me?
In addition to this, you also appear to be making these rash decisions without running them by other members of the staff, which is total bullshit because even I know that running Assist is a team effort. The last thing it needs is a breach of trust among the staff.
Back to the point: You must provide evidence if you honestly care about the truth. Otherwise you should lock this topic and abuse authority further by putting these rules in place anyway.
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One more comment regarding the "dictator" thing.
Does any of you remember how Jonny approached the topic of cheating, when he was here? Let me remind you: "if there is undetected hack, I will shut down the authorization". And he was not joking. Well, that makes me look like a "weak pussy" in comparison, doesn't it? I remember me arguing with him, and saying it would be like nuking the whole city because of a few terrorists in there. And I don't remember any of admins protesting then too much.
So shutting down the whole game was OK for you, and now you call me a dictator, because I made a few bans (with some being a _perfect_ hits, if you remember)? I find that funny.
Go find that thread and show me where I agreed with him. Go ahead. I'd love to see it. Not only are you avoiding the argument, but you're now accusing me of doing something I never did.
Also, the whole "the person before me was worse" argument is a very weak one and justifies nothing. The point is that you're compromising the integrity of the game just to "try" to catch a few cheaters. I put try in parenthesis because it isn't certain whether you're banning cheaters or not.
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it isn't certain whether you're banning cheaters or not.
As the cheat industry is always one step ahead and undetected hacks do exist,
chasing cheaters is like killing 2045 terminators from the distance using your grandpa's old rifle...
The aim ain't that good, sometimes u miss and kill some old rancher passing by :D
Well too bad... But u wanna save the world, right ? :style:
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Unban the people you banned without proof, spectate them and record it. This all falls back on you being too lazy/ignorant to do it. It's not that hard. You should follow Sergio's example and stop thinking you know it all. There is a reason he's the anti-cheat guy. You're making the staff look bad, how can you not see that? Assist banning someone is all the proof you need, but if you manually ban someone, you'd better be able to prove the person is guilty or it's just going to flood the forums with...well THIS SHIT.
and Zoxee, you have precisely no idea what you're talking about. You're argument is nonsensical.
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Go find that thread and show me where I agreed with him. Go ahead. I'd love to see it. Not only are you avoiding the argument, but you're now accusing me of doing something I never did.
I didn't say you agreed. I said you were quiet. Very quiet comparing to what you say now.
Also, the whole "the person before me was worse" argument is a very weak one and justifies nothing. The point is that you're compromising the integrity of the game just to "try" to catch a few cheaters. I put try in parenthesis because it isn't certain whether you're banning cheaters or not.
Can you just read the verbatim text I wrote, without creating additional intentions I had in mind? My point was not to criticize Jonny. I was writing about the scale of your reaction to my actions, by comparison.
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Zoxee, you have precisely no idea what you're talking about. You're argument is nonsensical.
You want to achieve a clean victory in a conflict with no victims at all. this doesn't exist m8.
errare humanum est.
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I didn't say you agreed. I said you were quiet. Very quiet comparing to what you say now.
Can you just read the verbatim text I wrote, without creating additional intentions I had in mind? My point was not to criticize Jonny. I was writing about the scale of your reaction to my actions, by comparison.
I don't remember exactly what I said, but the likely hood that Jonny was going to go through with it was much less than you, where you already did. His was just a threat, yours was an action.
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You want to achieve a clean victory in a conflict with no victims at all. this doesn't exist m8.
errare humanum est.
Which is exactly why trying to ban all hackers and achieve a clean game is a foolish dream. There is only so much that is available to sacrifice. This community is circling the drain, so why finish it off before its time? I doubt if you'd be singing the same tune if you are a good friend of yours got banned and you knew it was bullshit.
Which, by the way: This thread is bullshit.
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Unban the people you banned without proof, spectate them and record it. This all falls back on you being too lazy/ignorant to do it. It's not that hard. You should follow Sergio's example and stop thinking you know it all. There is a reason he's the anti-cheat guy. You're making the staff look bad, how can you not see that? Assist banning someone is all the proof you need, but if you manually ban someone, you'd better be able to prove the person is guilty or it's just going to flood the forums with...well THIS SHIT.
and Zoxee, you have precisely no idea what you're talking about. You're argument is nonsensical.
Theother alternative where i could agree with you is by accepting that this war can't be won,
because there will always be new cheaters, so making collateral damage among true legit players
would be unjustified and unbearable.
ok. But u have to finally decide for either one of the alternatives :
1. Let's take errors in count but waste as many hackers as possible
2. Let's understand this will never end, so let's always require proof.
choose.
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I don't remember exactly what I said, but the likely hood that Jonny was going to go through with it was much less than you, where you already did. His was just a threat, yours was an action.
The point, Pit: You are arguing for no evidence to be required in order to permanently ban people from the game. How do you expect to find evidence to back up your argument when your argument is about evidence being unnecessary? Evidence is the path to the truth. Do you care about the truth?
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I rather have that Major Skrewup guy here than this irrational no sense zoxee guy.
Skrewup may be immature but atleast he makes good points unlike zoxee who only talks trash
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All admins decisions should be automatically accepted by us. Admins are for us, not players are for admins. They spend their free time to give us the best perspective to play. Just accept decisions and trust them.
Personally I trust in Pit. He is smart and he really cares about eliminate shit from our garden. Let him work without useless comments.
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I rather have that Major Skrewup guy here than this irrational no sense zoxee guy.
Skrewup may be immature but atleast he makes good points unlike zoxee who only talks trash
At least i'm active here and try to make my point.
Don't wank at my answers, write some urself.
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Theother alternative where i could agree with you is by accepting that this war can't be won,
because there will always be new cheaters, so making collateral damage among true legit players
would be unjustified and unbearable.
ok. But u have to finally decide for either one of the alternatives :
1. Let's take errors in count but waste as many hackers as possible
2. Let's understand this will never end, so let's always require proof.
choose.
The thing is this whole thing will end sooner rather than later at this rate. This crusade would make sense for a game with a lot of players. There is no glorious battle against the hackers. If you find one and can prove it, get rid of him, otherwise stop screwing up Sergio's gig.
People's future in this game should not rely solely on trust in someone's judgement-without evidence.
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All admins decisions should be automatically accepted by us.
That is an awful way of looking at things.
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That is an awful way of looking at things.
Agreed.
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That is an awful way of looking at things.
Like I said- you spend your free time to take care about everything. You don't have salary. All what you have is flock of screaming sheeps every day and whole day.
You all were selected especially for this project. You have a credit of confidence.
Few words about politic- democration is the biggest shit ever made. 1 decision > 100 ideas.
And one valuable Stalin quote- "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic"
One banned possible cheater is a tragedy; but more is just a statistic.
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Damn these admins banning without proof...
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Show me proof? Ain't got one? LOL THEN UNBAN ME NOW!!
Seriously, I'm not mad but this is getting funny. I see KiLLaMaN banning without proof too, then he comes and bitches about pit-23 banning some other guy? Is that Orso your friend or what? Lemme show you something:
http://aao25.com/cheater-submission/sad-today-player-blowmy%29-dingdong/
Damn, that's some concrete proof you got there dawg!! Congratz! But, oh wait...
As of now, I'm still getting banned without proof on a daily basis. Is that a bad or a good thing? You tell me, it doesn't bother me to be honest.
Apparently, for some it isn't. So, if you ever will unban some random guy caught in the same way you ban me, I'm going to demand an unban too.
You (pit) and I know that I cheat, but: "It's not what you know, but what you can prove in court!" (Law Abiding Citizen)
Either you approve what pit-23 is doing, or with this "show me proof" rule you're gonna have a baaaad time :p
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This crusade would make sense for a game with a lot of players
Whatever... maybe u right. This isn't worth the energy.
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democration is the biggest shit ever made
you mean democracy right ? :D
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Seriously, I'm not mad but this is getting funny. I see KiLLaMaN banning without proof too, then he comes and bitches about pit-23 banning some other guy? Is that Orso your friend or what? Lemme show you something:
http://aao25.com/cheater-submission/sad-today-player-blowmy%29-dingdong/
Damn, that's some concrete proof you got there dawg!! Congratz! But, oh wait...
You're an idiot. We have a ton of people complain about them being hackers. As a matter of fact, we KNEW they were hackers, because, try to follow this, THEY TOLD US THEY WERE HACKERS. Of course this was all done by PM because they actually wanted to help us detect the hack if it meant they could still play. We agreed, but then they just kept obviously hacking and I decided it wasn't worth it. So I banned them. There, that's the whole story. Happy?
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Yes, democracy. My fault.
One word for BlackGinger:
You aren't stupid gay. You are smart. Why the fuck you use fucking cheats in fucking video games? Just tell me.
You found some gay net friends and you are all happy because of making shit. It's kindergarden.
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Damn these admins banning without proof...
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fmsngm.png&hash=67829e0465d302a50d33a77828378302)
Show me proof? Ain't got one? LOL THEN UNBAN ME NOW!!
Seriously, I'm not mad but this is getting funny. I see KiLLaMaN banning without proof too, then he comes and bitches about pit-23 banning some other guy? Is that Orso your friend or what? Lemme show you something:
http://aao25.com/cheater-submission/sad-today-player-blowmy%29-dingdong/
Damn, that's some concrete proof you got there dawg!! Congratz! But, oh wait...
As of now, I'm still getting banned without proof on a daily basis. Is that a bad or a good thing? You tell me, it doesn't bother me to be honest.
Apparently, for some it isn't. So, if you ever will unban some random guy caught in the same way you ban me, I'm going to demand an unban too.
You (pit) and I know that I cheat, but: "It's not what you know, but what you can prove in court!" (Law Abiding Citizen)
Either you approve what pit-23 is doing, or with this "show me proof" rule you're gonna have a baaaad time :p
The problem is this thread is about the new banning policy, not what admins have done in the past, pit included. Post this somewhere else.
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@KiLLaMaN: "people told me", "I saw you", "I spectated you" are not hard proofs, which is what you are trying to achieve right? Banning only on hard proofs. Happy? As I said, I dont give two shits about it, I can still play whenever I want.
@MothaGoosE: don't know if trolling or just stupid. Try to read this thread's title: Bans without "hard proofs". That's what this thread is about. My bans were without proof. Get it now? Also, past bans? I could do one now, play, get banned without proof again and come back here if you would like.
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You're an idiot. We have a ton of people complain about them being hackers. As a matter of fact, we KNEW they were hackers, because, try to follow this, THEY TOLD US THEY WERE HACKERS. Of course this was all done by PM because they actually wanted to help us detect the hack if it meant they could still play. We agreed, but then they just kept obviously hacking and I decided it wasn't worth it. So I banned them. There, that's the whole story. Happy?
All those account owners PM-ed you/us admitting they are cheaters? No, only the first few did (the "original" accnts). You (and others, including me) banned the others without even spectating them, cause we "knew".
What I'm doing is controversial, sure, but at least I'm trying to be coherent. You couldn't be more contradicting yourself, with what you wrote in that quote above.
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What I'm doing is controversial, sure, but at leat I'm trying to be coherent. You couldn't be more contradicting yourself, with what you wrote in that quote above.
Yeah that's a mild way of putting it. More like wrong.
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All those account owners PM-ed you/us admitting they are cheaters? No, only the first few did (the "original" accnts). You (and others, including me) banned the others without even spectating them, cause we "knew".
All those account owners? You said you knew they were all accounts of hertz and that feckless guy. I never banned anyone without proof, and feckless actually responded to that thread so it must have been his account. I only banned their 2 main accounts, and none more.
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Feckless and Anti.Pro are two forum users who hack.
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What I'm doing is controversial, sure, but at leat I'm trying to be coherent. You couldn't be more contradicting yourself, with what you wrote in that quote above.
Even if u guys consider what Pit is doing as fucked up, it's always soooooooo easy to criticize when
you're not in charge... wtf u want, take his place ? well do it, but pls stop camouflaging your intentions
under that purity and justice-for-all BS, it just stinks.
Just like in politics, as long as someone's in the opposition, they talk about how the government is doin BS,
promises new hopes, milk honey and work for all but as soon as the come to power, they act exactly
as their predecessors or even worse... because they have to face reality.
I guess if we had a "weak pussy" in charge, the hacker problem would be much greater today.
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Well seeing as Pit can do everything by himself and has no need to even talk to the other admins about decisions like this, I don't see how I'm needed here anymore. If he wants to go over our heads, then he can be the one who polices the forums, I'm tired of doing it anyways.
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That would be a great argument zoxee, if the player in cause was a hacker.
The intention is not crucifying anyone, but to call someone into his sense to realize this is a mistake, nothing more.
Oh and zoxee, im active here, just because i dont post frequently it doesnt mean that im not active ...
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Even if u guys consider what Pit is doing as fucked up, it's always soooooooo easy to criticize when
you're not in charge... wtf u want, take his place ? well do it, but pls stop camouflaging your intentions
under that purity and justice-for-all BS, it just stinks.
Just like in politics, as long as someone's in the opposition, they talk about how the government is doin BS,
promises new hopes, milk honey and work for all but as soon as the come to power, they act exactly
as their predecessors or even worse... because they have to face reality.
I guess if we had a "weak pussy" in charge, the hacker problem would be much greater today.
Intentions are irrelevant. Evidence isn't biased and it doesn't have an opinion.
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Talkin about "hard Proofs", i still got this one in my throat, still active, no proof, no ban.
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/800926/%21The_Engineer%21/ (http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/800926/%21The_Engineer%21/)
ProGamers might be twice maybe thrice as good a s the normal player,
but when the ratio reaches x5 x6 or above, then i guess i shit on any evidence sry.
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Talkin about "hard Proofs", i still got this one in my throat, still active, no proof, no ban.
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/800926/%21The_Engineer%21/ (http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/800926/%21The_Engineer%21/)
ProGamers might be twice maybe thrice as good a s the normal player,
but when the ration reaches x5 x6 or above, then i guess i shit on any evidence sry.
This is not the place to post that. Post it in Cheater Submission.
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This is not the place to post that. Post it in Cheater Submission.
if u read the forums the thread exists and is 3 months old.
It was just an example of what kind of failure ur system would be.
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Fuck, I've lost half of my day to read and write in this thread, and I have still only 8 internetz :(
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if u read the forums the thread exists and is 3 months old.
It was just an example of what kind of failure ur system would be.
You've got to be trolling. I don't believe you're this much of an idiot.
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You've got to be trolling. I don't believe you're this much of an idiot.
why do u always have to take everything i say to the 1st degree and be so offensive,
keep cool. I have no problem with u.
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No, I mean you really are serious?
Look, I don't have a problem with you either, but what I'm implying is that one example from 3 months ago is fewer casualties than have already been caused by pit's method.
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No, I mean you really are serious?
Look, I don't have a problem with you either, but what I'm implying is that one example from 3 months ago is fewer casualties than have already been caused by pit's method.
Well m8, if u had read the long thread concerning this guy, it illustrates exactly the problem
we have today. Banning noob kid cheaters who just bought some hack and have a tracker
with 500 kills and a FR of 5, 6 or 7 ispretty easy and not the issue here.
We are talking here about the dangers of banning someone who is not easy to convict because
his case is blurred, either many years of gameplay, or using just 1 single advantage that he
masters perfectly like an undetected private WH+SS blocker only for example.
This guy i just mentioned didn't lose time to hop on the forum and state that he is a family guy,
hast a legit job a dog and a garden and only plays because he loves the game, hosts a server
bla-bla etc in a very mature way... Well there was no hard proof to explain his fishy sessions
or his 6.12 FR on Border with 11.000 kills and he went away with it, continuing to pawn 24-0
sessions in total impunity.
That's what i am against sry.
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Well m8, if u had read the long thread concerning this guy, it illustrates exactly the problem
we have today. Banning noob kid cheaters who just bought some hack and have a tracker
with 500 kills and a FR of 5, 6 or 7 ispretty easy and not the issue here.
We are talking here about the dangers of banning someone who is not easy to convict because
his case is blurred, either many years of gameplay, or using just 1 single advantage that he
masters perfectly like a WH+SS blocker only for example.
This guy i just mentioned didn't lose time to hop on the forum and state that he is a family guy,
hast a legit job a dog and a garden and only plays because he loves the game, hosts a server
bla-bla etc in a very mature way... Well there was no hard proof to explain his fishy sessions
or his 6.12 FR on Border with 11.000 kills and he went away with it, continuing to pawn 24-0
sessions in total impunity.
That's what i am against sry.
I remember the engineer. He's a massive stat padder and camper, and only plays border and Ice. He plays like a dirtbag, but it doesn't mean he's hacking. He shouldn't be banned unless he's caught hacking - which requires proof.
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I remember the engineer. He's a massive stat padder and camper, and only plays border and Ice. He plays like a dirtbag, but it doesn't mean he's hacking. He shouldn't be banned unless he's caught hacking - which requires proof.
Dude, u play the game also, so pls be honest.
What kind of long-range aim does this guy have to make a 6 FR on a map like border... cmon.
btw he plays many other maps.
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I remember the engineer. He's a massive stat padder and camper, and only plays border and Ice. He plays like a dirtbag, but it doesn't mean he's hacking. He shouldn't be banned unless he's caught hacking - which requires proof.
Guess not everyone grasped what I tried to say before so...
http://aao25.com/cheater-submission/uchihamadara/
Show me proof that I cheated. Got tons of other accounts but meh, same thing applies.
PS.: "they reported you", "you have a high KD", "they watched you", "they pmed admin about you hacking", "Evidence found (without posting it)" and co. are not valid proofs, since I cant defend myself against it.
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Zoxee: Of course he's fishy, but that's all you've got. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he is a hacker, maybe he isn't, but what if he isn't? You play this game. You should know that spectating isn't enough to confirm a careful cheater. In addition, we all have our moments where we're just like "How the hell did I just do that?" I one-shotted some guy from across the map south outside in pipeline with a pistol back when I played 2.6. It was complete bullshit, but I don't hack. There's so much else to consider. High mouse sensitivity, sound whoring, ini tweaking, ghosting, stat padding. I don't like that kind of stuff (although I did tweak my ini in the past) but you can't just go ban happy.
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Zoxee: Of course he's fishy, but that's all you've got. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he is a hacker, maybe he isn't, but what if he isn't? You play this game. You should know that spectating isn't enough to confirm a careful cheater. We all have our moments where we're just like "How the hell did I just do that?" I one-shotted some guy from across the map south outside in pipeline with a pistol back when I played 2.6. It was complete bullshit, but I don't hack. There's so much else to consider. High mouse sensitivity, sound whoring, ini tweaking, ghosting, stat padding. I don't like that kind of stuff (although I did tweak my ini in the past) but you can't just go ban happy.
take tidididi for example, he is a very good player.
He played 2500 hours on Pipe and reaches a very good FR of... 2.55 over 60000 kills
FR 6 is more than twice as good as already very good so what the fack is it in the end ?
Superman ?
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Unfortunately for your agrument, there is a difference between the word improbable and impossible.
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Unfortunately for your agrument, there is a difference between the word improbable and impossible.
let me ask you somin'
If u had a player with a general FR of 10.76 over 6500 kills.
What would you do if u was in charge of Pit's job and i came to complain to you with no proof ?
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Angering though it would be, I would have no other choice but to refrain from banning him. Instead, I feel I would be driven to try and catch him. Most likely with recorded videos.
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Angering though it would be, I would have no other choice but to refrain from banning him. Instead, I fell I would be driven to try an catch him. Most likely with <b>recorded videos.</b>
So you would have nothing left but to watch him play, just like Pit does right ?
And then decide to ban or not to ban... well see here we are :)
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So you would have nothing left but to watch him play, just like Pit does right ?
And then decide to ban or not to ban... well see here we are :)
The part you missed was:
recorded videos
recorded videos
recorded videos
recorded videos
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i didn't miss it no worries, because u want to use them as proof, iknow :P
But don't forget, this guy has no visuals, he just plays the game.
So u gonna show this guy your recordings before banning and tell him:
"loooook there what u did!! "and that!!"... but you know what he will tell you ?
"Sry beloved admin, my gameplay is normal so fuck off pls".
the problem Pit has is "appreciation" of one's gameplay, and that's not easy believe me.
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i didn't miss it no worries, because u want to use them as proof, iknow :P
But don't forget, this guy has no visuals, he just plays the game.
So u gonna show this guy your recordings before banning and tell him:
"loooook there what u did!! "and that!!"... but you know what he will tell you ?
"Sry beloved admin, my gameplay is normal so fuck off pls".
the problem Pit has is "appreciation" of one's gameplay, and that's not easy believe me.
If the video contained evidence, then everything the person appealing said afterward would just make him look dumber. Evidence isn't biased and it doesn't have an opinion. It is what it is.
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dude are u serious ?
U know he hacks, u recorded void and in the end
THERE IS NO OTHER PROOF THAN UR ADMIN OPINION FFS -.-
Why do Politicians run countries ? because they were schooled for it.
Why do Managers run companies ? same
Why does Pit decide ? because he is able to do it, ask Sergio.
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dude are u serious ?
U know he hacks, u recorded void and in the end
THERE IS NO OTHER PROOF THAN UR ADMIN OPINION FFS -.-
Why do Politicians run countries ? because they were schooled for it.
Why do Managers run companies ? same
Why does Pit decide ? because he is able to do it, ask Sergio.
No. The video either has evidence or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then my case against him is fucked, isn't it? Even if I know it, but can't prove it, that sucks for me, doesn't it? Come on, man.
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zoxee feeding the troll ehehehe
He couldn't reply to my posts which basically means you won't be able to make it clear for him. Some people just don't get it how flawed they are. He also doesnt get that many still play AA2 is because of their low computer specs, and their FPS would decrease even more while recording.
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IMO none of this is up for discussion. Pit owns the project now, it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. He may value some people's opinions but ultimately, project decisions are purely up to him. If you had your own vision for AA, perhaps you should have stepped up to take responsibility for Assist when Jonny gave the project away.
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zoxee feeding the troll ehehehe
He couldn't reply to my posts which basically means you won't be able to make it clear for him. Some people just don't get it how flawed they are. He also doesnt get that many still play AA2 is because of their low computer specs, and their FPS would decrease even more while recording.
I didn't reply to you because I couldn't tell whether you were being sarcastic or not. If you were banned without evidence, then that's bullshit. If you were banned by assist, then that is evidence with the exception of a few cases.
If you're computer is a piece of shit, then what are you doing spectating people you think are cheating and banning them? It's a stupid excuse.
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IMO none of this is up for discussion. Pit owns the project now, it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. He may value some people's opinions but ultimately, project decisions are purely up to him. If you had your own vision for AA, perhaps you should have stepped up to take responsibility for Assist when Jonny gave the project away.
Well, them I'm done with this discussion. There will be no resolution so it's pointless to argue anymore.
AA is doomed.
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zoxee feeding the troll ehehehe
He couldn't reply to my posts which basically means you won't be able to make it clear for him. Some people just don't get it how flawed they are. He also doesnt get that many still play AA2 is because of their low computer specs, and their FPS would decrease even more while recording.
Gonna feed it till it blasts, just that u kno.
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I say let pit do what he wants. If his actions help the fall of this game, he has only himself to blame. You forget that he is putting tons of his time into this so i dont think he will let it fail by gaining a reputation of banning innocent people.
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I say let pit do what he wants. If his actions help the fall of this game, he has only himself to blame. You forget that he is putting tons of his time into this so i dont think he will let it fail by gaining a reputation of banning innocent people.
GREAT ANSWER - BE BLESSED !
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AA is doomed.
Oh yes, it is. I took it over with a secret plan: to ban everyone with FR >= 1.0, innocent or not, so that I can own the remaning noobz, and pawn them hard until they all quit. Then I'll take all the remaining donation money, go to some warm nice place, and enjoy life.
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Oh yes, it is. I took it over with a secret plan: to ban everyone with FR >= 1.0, innocent or not, so that I can own the remaning noobz, and pawn them hard until they all quit. Then I'll take all the remaining donation money, go to some warm nice place, and enjoy life.
I certainly hope that's not what you got from my posts. My intention was to show you why I thought you were wrong. It doesn't matter what anyone does, though. I think AA is doomed.
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Oh yes, it is. I took it over with a secret plan: to ban everyone with FR >= 1.0, innocent or not, so that I can own the remaning noobz, and pawn them hard until they all quit. Then I'll take all the remaining donation money, go to some warm nice place, and enjoy life.
I'll fly u some cute bitchez in while ur on ur island :D :D
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some 1 explain to me how to convert video's i've made using fraps and i'll be happy to show em all of all players i think is using and posted
pretty sad this is the only source to catch these fuck tards by using video's
pit u run this shit ur able to run it the way you see fit too, all these others complaining about how wrong it is don't even play aa on a daily base to see all the bullshit out there
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:wanker:
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Oh yes, it is. I took it over with a secret plan: to ban everyone with FR >= 1.0
Guess that means I'm safe then :D
Then I'll take all the remaining donation money, go to some warm nice place, and enjoy life.
Gonna head on down to Jonny's beach house in the bahamas that he bought with all the Assist donations? Maybe some day I can come?
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Just lurking around here on one of the typical lonely nights... I have not completely followed the whole discussion about certain individuals but I do know that even though I support the idea of innocent untill otherwise there has to be a line drawn somewhere. If you hurt a little group with the drawn line, it sucks, but if a bigger group is helped with that imaginary line, I think it's an easy decision to make for Pit. But having said that, it still seems unfair as fuck.
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I say pit should just shut down the game without saying anything and at the same time these forums go down and Nate conveniently changes his MSN name and we pretend like no one was ever so naive to think that this game could live again.
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Lock this shit before it gets to ten pages
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I say pit should just shut down the game without saying anything and at the same time these forums go down and Nate conveniently changes his MSN name and we pretend like no one was ever so naive to think that this game could live again.
Archeh u only played 18 hours within 6 months, means you already gave up long time ago.
What u still posting crap here for ?
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wow were still on these topics?
'assist are nazis tryin to rule the game'....'assist is strict/fair against hackers/players....'
hmm, seems i havent missed much here at all, still just the same shit different day.... maybe ill check back in another time
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wow were still on these topics?
'assist are nazis tryin to rule the game'....'assist is strict/fair against hackers/players....'
hmm, seems i havent missed much here at all, still just the same shit different day.... maybe ill check back in another time
yeah do that... just don't be part of the discussion and try resolving issues, it could make u sick and tired...
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Took me like an hour to read all your arguments. But at the end I still don't get what you are arguing about.
What's done is done, it's stupid to argue if it's good or not, try to find solutions to prevent it from happening again.
The only thing I agree with was this:
Unban the people you banned without proof, spectate them and record it.
If you do that Pit, we won't have any problems anymore right ?
So perhaps that should happen before this forum really looks ridiculous (which I'm afraid is too late but whatever)
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If you do that Pit, we won't have any problems anymore right ?
No, it would be almost the same. Only instead of people shouting "you can't ban without proof", there would be people shouting "you can't ban based on this recording, it doesn't show anything".
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I've missed you Major.
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Some ride Pit's dick, some other Skrewy's.
Well dicks taste different, that's life i guess.
I say let pit do what he wants. If his actions help the fall of this game, he has only himself to blame. You forget that he is putting tons of his time into this so i dont think he will let it fail by gaining a reputation of banning innocent people.
this is the best statement made so far regarding the situation btw.
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What u still posting crap here for ?
I was hoping that I'd get my account suspended for that double post so I can stop checking these forums everyday
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it's like my daddy always said:
two double posts in two pages will surely piss off killaman enough for a suspension
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900 posts! bai everyone
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Hia, i have avoided this topic but a post caught my eye.
We can schedule a match if you want, you will see why we have to ban this way...
Not sure what that means. BUT the TWL ladder has MAYBE 1 potential cheater and that's even a stretch.
As for a more topic related response. I'd say as long as pitt knows what to look for it should be quite easy to find hackers. BUT one has to be careful, because good players may get wrist/flick shots very often and it can be interpreted as an Aimbot if you are spectating it. As long as Pitt is positive he is watching a cheater then idc what he does.
Wallhack is the easiest shit in the world to see when spectating in first person mode btw, specially if the person hacking is stupid.
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I say pit should just shut down the game without saying anything and at the same time these forums go down and Nate conveniently changes his MSN name and we pretend like no one was ever so naive to think that this game could live again.
Ever since AAO25 started going downhill, I'm agreeing with Archi a lot more.
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Ever since AAO25 started going downhill, I'm agreeing with Archi a lot more.
You both sound like a broken record.
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You both sound like a broken record.
Then I guess we fit right in with AA because in every aspect of AA, it's the same fucking thing over and over again.
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I say pit should just shut down the game without saying anything and at the same time these forums go down and Nate conveniently changes his MSN name and we pretend like no one was ever so naive to think that this game could live again.
That's weird because there are 100 people playing the game right now. It seems to be alive to me.
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That's weird because there are 100 people playing the game right now. It seems to be alive to me.
:up:
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Wallhack is the easiest shit in the world to see when spectating in first person mode btw, specially if the person hacking is stupid.
The other thing you have to take into account for this game in particular is the effectivness of a good sound card/headset because for an example everyone who plays competitive or has good sound knows where everyone is based on sound alone.
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The other thing you have to take into account for this game in particular is the effectivness of a good sound card/headset because for an example everyone who plays competitive or has good sound knows where everyone is based on sound alone.
This is false. While they may know the general area, sound will not let you know their exact location. Wallhack is easy to spot because the hacker will often follow the player with his crosshair through the wall.
Then I guess we fit right in with AA because in every aspect of AA, it's the same fucking thing over and over again.
Ya but AA the game doesn't whine and complain as much as you guys do.
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This is false. While they may know the general area, sound will not let you know their exact location. Wallhack is easy to spot because the hacker will often follow the player with his crosshair through the wall.
Ya but AA the game doesn't whine and complain as much as you guys do.
However:
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.memegenerator.net%2Finstances%2F400x%2F20316671.jpg&hash=c43ed470f29307537871436e68e5656f)
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everyone who [...] has good sound
I promise that nobody in the vintage AA community has "good sound".
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Wallhack is easy to spot because the hacker will often follow the player with his crosshair through the wall.
I used to try and do that with sound (back when I had any), but as I didn't actually see the enemy, its hard to tell how accurately I traced his movements...
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The other thing you have to take into account for this game in particular is the effectivness of a good sound card/headset because for an example everyone who plays competitive or has good sound knows where everyone is based on sound alone.
Theres a clear difference. People with sound wont follow other through walls. Bad wallhackers will.
Nick: you'd be surprised how accurately people could be pin pointed with good sound.
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Nick: you'd be surprised how accurately people could be pin pointed with good sound.
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Sound is for noobs. So are graphics. The best AA pro players are actually blind and deaf. True fact.
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I can pin point people where they are with sound... im just saying and some of yall posting here know what I mean.
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I can pin point people where they are with sound... im just saying and some of yall posting here know what I mean.
Some people "pin point" with sound, some with ghosting, some with other stuff...
But I don't care what method is used for "pin pointing", as they all are indistinguishable. And "pin pointing" is bad and therefore bannable.
;-P
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So with that logic someone with good sound will get banned? lmao this is so funny
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So with that logic someone with good sound will get banned? lmao this is so funny
I guess you missed the smiley face at the end of his post.
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So with that logic someone with good sound will get banned? lmao this is so funny
lol john u so funny :D
2-18 on Mout... hmm i guess you have no sound card at all. Buy one.
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Here is an update to my dictatorship "no proof" ban rule, which I think will make everybody a little bit more happier (well, honestly I don't care about making you happier, but this change actually has logical sense):
First ban of this kind is a temporary "warning" ban (e.g. for 1-4 weeks). Second is permanent.
Rationale:
Because "no proof" ban method is prone to errors by definition, this will minimize banning of innocent players, while at the same time, it will not affect banning of cheaters. Possible scenarios:
- innocent people banned will be released and happy
- accidental cheaters ("my cat jumped on keyboard and it executed inject.exe") will be released and may even become legit players (lol)
- real cheaters will still cheat, but maybe more carefully this time (less owning), if not, they will be caught eventually anyway
So now i will unban _all_ accounts banned using this method (those were all temp bans, according to above).
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now feel the aimbotage over you guys! xD
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Here is an update to my dictatorship "no proof" ban rule, which I think will make everybody a little bit more happier (well, honestly I don't care about making you happier, but this change actually has logical sense):
First ban of this kind is a temporary "warning" ban (e.g. for 1 week). Second is permanent.
Rationale:
Because "no proof" ban method is prone to errors by definition, this will minimize banning of innocent players, while at the same time, it will not affect banning of cheaters. Possible scenarios:
- innocent people banned will be released and happy
- accidental cheaters ("my cat jumped on keyboard and it executed inject.exe") will be released and may even become legit players (lol)
- real cheaters will still cheat, but maybe more carefully this time (less owning), if not, they will be caught eventually anyway
So now i will unban _all_ accounts banned using this method (those were all temp bans, according to above).
This is much much better.
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Hooah ! lol
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Nice decision :D
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now feel the aimbotage over you guys! xD
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yeah do that... just don't be part of the discussion and try resolving issues, it could make u sick and tired...
ah yes, if only i could of been more proactive like you and trolled these forums instead of having a life *sigh*
well lets see what useful words you have provided to resolving these issues while i was away..
lol john u so funny :D
2-18 on Mout... hmm i guess you have no sound card at all. Buy one.
hating on a player because he played poorly, looks like your on the right path to resolving these issues, great job so far! KEEP IT UP!11!!
Some ride Pit's dick, some other Skrewy's.
Well dicks taste different, that's life i guess.
this is the best statement made so far regarding the situation btw.
comparing dicks and the way they taste, well sure glad we have you here for that, from what i can tell your the most talented in dick tasting competition, guessing you had plenty of experience.... with your words and dedication, we will surely resolve these issues, moving on.
Hooah ! lol
thats needed in any inspirational speech thats going to save this game... and you had one other post with a thumbs up...
well guess that basically resolves the conflict thanks to you for being part of the discussion and resolution to our aa problem... thanks for sacrificing your fun and exciting life to save our aa community, you were a huge help... i really wish i would of hung around and become part of the solution like you,then i could have some e-credit with thousands of e-points.
oh man, all this typing n discussing has me sick n tired, i better go do something easier and less fun.... like disc golf on a mountain. :cool:
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ah yes, if only i could of been more proactive like you and trolled these forums instead of having a life *sigh*
well lets see what useful words you have provided to resolving these issues while i was away..
hating on a player because he played poorly, looks like your on the right path to resolving these issues, great job so far! KEEP IT UP!11!!
comparing dicks and the way they taste, well sure glad we have you here for that, from what i can tell your the most talented in dick tasting competition, guessing you had plenty of experience.... with your words and dedication, we will surely resolve these issues, moving on.
thats needed in any inspirational speech thats going to save this game... and you had one other post with a thumbs up...
well guess that basically resolves the conflict thanks to you for being part of the discussion and resolution to our aa problem... thanks for sacrificing your fun and exciting life to save our aa community, you were a huge help... i really wish i would of hung around and become part of the solution like you,then i could have some e-credit with thousands of e-points.
oh man, all this typing n discussing has me sick n tired, i better go do something easier and less fun.... like disc golf on a mountain. :cool:
Just passing by, i'm really impressed by the amount of time u must have put into this :D :D