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Title: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 23:57:26 PM
Required Information,
- Player Name : [c5.effeCt+]
- Battletracker ID : 742334
- Reason : Secondary Account is what your program says... Can you really not have more than 1 account?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 23:57:53 PM
Yuppers, only 1. No need for more.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Ganja on Friday, August 30, 2013, 03:19:35 AM
How does this work Spanky, if some people already have more accounts? You ban them or should we delete them or what?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Friday, August 30, 2013, 04:02:15 AM
These specific accounts were reported to me and I investigated. We haven't fully discussed this but I believe banning secondary accounts is a good way to go. We can't really delete them. I will say though, if a person has more than 1 account and they want to choose which to keep, that's fine.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: noobslayer on Friday, August 30, 2013, 04:19:03 AM
These specific accounts were reported to me and I investigated. We haven't fully discussed this but I believe banning secondary accounts is a good way to go. We can't really delete them. I will say though, if a person has more than 1 account and they want to choose which to keep, that's fine.

Well, I need my second account for scrims. I'm admin on a server we scrim on and if it's on tourney mode you can't join with an account that's an administrator..
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Friday, August 30, 2013, 04:23:57 AM
Well, I need my second account for scrims. I'm admin on a server we scrim on and if it's on tourney mode you can't join with an account that's an administrator..

Remove yourself from admin in the server?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: KARI-30 on Friday, August 30, 2013, 04:42:18 AM
Yea, thats the reason why many scrim active players have 2nd accounts. Because they are player admins on their own server and need a new account to play. And changing the ini of server, restarting it, play, change the server ini again after scrim, restart it, is a little bit too time consuming. And if the server admin is not online at the time and cant change the ini, they cannot play without the admin. I would vote for exceptions to be made for scrim active player admins.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: KARI-30 on Friday, August 30, 2013, 05:05:30 AM
Or you know... keep on the low and delete my messages :D
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: noobslayer on Friday, August 30, 2013, 05:20:27 AM
Remove yourself from admin in the server?

If you tell me how :)
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Friday, August 30, 2013, 05:30:58 AM
what is the reason behind for only having one account?
don't really get it atm.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Ganja on Friday, August 30, 2013, 06:05:59 AM
How can you do that on a fast way? You need to change your name or restart server?

There should be a fast way (lick a box to tick) to enable/disable admin
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Lord.aNoobis on Friday, August 30, 2013, 12:59:30 PM
I really didn't think we should ban peoples 2nd accounts unless there were abusing them. I don't think its a good move to piss off the community.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Friday, August 30, 2013, 13:08:59 PM
You could also set an admin password so that if there's a problem, you just re-join the server with the password and you're admin.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Lord.aNoobis on Friday, August 30, 2013, 13:09:12 PM
FYI. Whoever banned the OP's account also banned their HW id so they could not use any of their accounts. I have changed that and 742334 should now work again.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, August 30, 2013, 13:09:50 PM
I don't agree with banning second or third accounts, what about players that took so long to get there honor where they wanted it, high honor only good for weapon select nothing more then that
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Darkjello769 on Friday, August 30, 2013, 13:11:22 PM
How am i suppose to test hacks if I dont have a 2nd account? LIke ima test it on my original first... you're crazy.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Friday, August 30, 2013, 13:14:00 PM
FYI. Whoever banned the OP's account also banned their HW id so they could not use any of their accounts. I have changed that and 742334 should now work again.
Ooops, sorry about that =\


I don't agree with banning second or third accounts, what about players that took so long to get there honor where they wanted it, high honor only good for weapon select nothing more then that
As said above, I think it's fine for people to select which account they want to keep. Beyond that, I see no need for a secondary account. Allowing one for scrims just creates a loophole. And then there's "oh I forgot my password" or "I don't have access to my e-mail". Blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Alex on Friday, August 30, 2013, 13:52:45 PM
I really didn't think we should ban peoples 2nd accounts unless there were abusing them. I don't think its a good move to piss off the community.
I thought that was the entire point of having to activate accounts now? So that people can't just make second accounts like crazy.. Or are you just talking about banning already existing second accounts?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Rob_LD on Friday, August 30, 2013, 14:06:50 PM
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Beyond that, I see no need for a secondary account.
I wonder how you determine if it is a second account.

I'm pretty sure there is a another account related to mine which has the same IP, same MAC, same hardware ID.
However, it's not mine but my wifes account.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Friday, August 30, 2013, 14:42:55 PM
I wonder how you determine if it is a second account.

I'm pretty sure there is a another account related to mine which has the same IP, same MAC, same hardware ID.
However, it's not mine but my wifes account.

Banned, thanks for reporting.
That's a joke.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: raw on Friday, August 30, 2013, 15:05:57 PM
I have a problem..i cant decide which one i like more :(
so i guess we are all okay with it that i can keep my both acc's.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: ibad on Friday, August 30, 2013, 16:56:42 PM
Not like the accounts are clogging up YOUR database (which i think is pathetic that you still use homies site as an auth. Just allows more potential for an exploit in homies site to be revealed and ur whole AA auth is ruined. Code your own auth asap ^.^). So why does it bother you?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: exception on Friday, August 30, 2013, 20:53:48 PM
I have 2ndary accounts for being incognito, just coming back to the game, scrimming, being funny... Here, I'll save you the search and you can ban the ones I can remember. Even my 71 honor account, if this is really what you're doing and you're sticking to your guns about it... It's a shame, they date back to 2006 and 2008. If you search and find more of mine let me know, I'll probably have a laugh about them.

http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/380130/%5B16.crU%5D/

http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/731805/fratrick/

This one isn't even me but someone obviously loves me:
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/790061/fc.exception/

I thought the training was to prevent people from making new accounts and old accounts were fine.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Alex on Friday, August 30, 2013, 22:25:16 PM
I don't think we're going after existing secondary accounts, just trying to stop new one from being made.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Friday, August 30, 2013, 22:53:08 PM
Then what's the point? I'd bet quite a few people have multiple accounts when they started playing Assist. Why disallow new secondary accounts but allow old secondary accounts?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Alex on Friday, August 30, 2013, 22:56:11 PM
Then what's the point? I'd bet quite a few people have multiple accounts when they started playing Assist. Why disallow new secondary accounts but allow old secondary accounts?
Because it's too much work to go and try and find secondary accounts for almost no benefit. With new accounts it's easy to do it since we have to activate every account anyways.

Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Friday, August 30, 2013, 23:00:30 PM
Yea, I'm not about to waste time to search everybody for secondary accounts but when they're reported, why do nothing?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
I don't think we're going after existing secondary accounts, just trying to stop new one from being made.

Hah no all of mine were from previous AA days and they still got banned. try again
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:30:05 PM
I guess i just done see the point in banning secondary accounts.. can someone please give me a reason on how it hurts AA25assist or the community, or anything? Lol..  i mean if its cloggin up your DB from having 2 accounts on America's army i can just stop playing. Idk i'm just confused i guess, cuz #1 not all of them were mine, i have RL friends that dont have stable internet, that come and play. #2 my brothers pc is broke, so he was using my pc. so half of them accounts arent even mine, but they r banned. Yes 3 of them was me, but the other 3 wasnt.
Just gimme an explanation please.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:35:11 PM
I don't see the point for secondary accounts. Guess we're at a standstill.

Years ago, I saw the point. Back when I was clan hopping every other week, hacking and using so called noob accounts to try and fool people. Try as I might though, I can't think of a valid reason for one these days.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:43:32 PM
Yeah, but can u think of a reason why they shouldn't be allowed? That's what im asking
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:48:55 PM
Ban bypassing (we ban 1 account, they have others) is the main reason.

I would also add that "noob" accounts are fucking annoying. Just play as you are, no need to try and fool people.

I also encourage you to come up with a reason as to why they're needed. Sure, family/friend accounts but that just opens a big loophole and computers are cheap these days, especially one that can open AA.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
Lol, So heres what you do, If your admin on your server and people start hacking you ban IP, and other various things Theres really only a few servers that get played anyways..
And thats not y i have multiple accounts.
Its for the same reason everyone else has 2nd and 3rd accounts.. one is server admin the others are scrim accounts, or friends accounts, etc.

And Like for me, im in a clan someone else owns the server, if we got a scrim and then something comes up he cant login to delete me  /readd me every time its useless. i cant scrim. 

and To be completely honest i think this rule is 100% unnecessary. It DOES NOT do anything bad to the community. Its simple some people like to play multiple accounts. Period
This is making me not even want to play anymore how can you have a rule like this lol
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
95% of the time you don't need PlayerAdmin in a server, just hand out the admin pass and if there's an issue, login with it.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:58:16 PM
Ban bypassing (we ban 1 account, they have others) is the main reason.

I would also add that "noob" accounts are fucking annoying. Just play as you are, no need to try and fool people.

I also encourage you to come up with a reason as to why they're needed. Sure, family/friend accounts but that just opens a big loophole and computers are cheap these days, especially one that can open AA.

Lol some people dont play games all the time, so they arent going to go out and spend 200+ or 100+ w/e for a pc (especially when they dont have much money to start with) so it can sit in a room 6 days a week and on the 7th day they only play for a few hours. Not everybody who plays games is really a "Gamer" i guess you could say.
And the reason i think it is needed is because 90% of the people who do play AA, Cod, really anything has more than 1 account, more than 1 character its how people play games. Your telling me all this time uv played AA uv only had 1 account? No i dont know ANYONE who hasnt made more than 1. Or played an MMO and only had 1 character ROFL no. That's not how 99.99% of the population works. We like to level up some, then restart > swap back and forth. That's just human. IDK why its such a big deal here, you prove to me that more than 10people has only played AA from 2.3 on with only 1 account il quit and this wont be a discussion anymore.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 12:59:25 PM
What about our clan ldr? he says he dont want us to have the password because in the past hes had issues where his clan knows it, then start telling friends, etc. your making exscuses, ur "bypassing" my question I still have not 1 reason lol
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:03:13 PM
And aren't you Finch?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:03:55 PM
"Other people do it" Isn't an excuse.

Sure, I have (had?) many accounts:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/Images/aa_accounts.png)
That was another time though, I hacked, cheated and pissed off admins. You need multiple accounts for that stuff.

I only have 1 BattleTracker account now though, that's all I need. Same for other games like BFBC2 where there is leveling up. I only got a new account to spam my website in my name and I only continue to use that account.

There is no leveling up in AA unless you like honor... ha.


And aren't you Finch?
Thanks for the laugh :)
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:06:19 PM
What about our clan ldr? he says he dont want us to have the password because in the past hes had issues where his clan knows it, then start telling friends, etc.
Couldn't the same be done with a user account? Just pass the login info along, it's just as easy as a password.

I still have not 1 reason lol
I agree, you still don't have a reason for multiple accounts.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:08:19 PM
I like it tho, and u proved my point right there. Look at all the accounts you have.
EVERYBODY likes 2nd, 3rd, etc etc. number of accounts. thats how it is, why try to change that? iv only been back to AA for a few days now i havn't seen 1 person hack, dont get me wrong Parkway Drive is suspicious but hell idk its been so long i can barely kill shit. (back on point) Anyways, Finch, I know you lol. I knew it was you, me and a friend argued the other day cuz i said u was Finch. I wore the Smirl tags aswell at 1 point in time. But just like you those days are past me but the fact is i still want all my accounts. And if you couldn't tell from exeception's Sarcasm he does too, and everyone else who has posted here has pretty much said the same thing. Your the only one who disagrees.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:09:59 PM
My reason is that's how Me, you, and everybody plays games. We all like it, we all have fun doing it, taking that away is taking away part of the fun we all remember from old-school AA, the same reason we came back we thought this was going to be the same apparently we were wrong.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:11:37 PM
Couldn't the same be done with a user account? Just pass the login info along, it's just as easy as a password.
I agree, you still don't have a reason for multiple accounts.

Sure it could, But nobody is going to give their accounts out, and u know this dont be stupid. You could give me your credit card number. You could give me ur car. you could give me your address, but you wont. And that very last part is all that matters.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:15:07 PM
Yea, it's not the first time people have disagreed with me. I'll probably lose this argument as well. *shrug* Just another reason for me to dislike AA players.

Again, those accounts are old and no longer apply since they are gone with the servers that the devs shut down. I only have 1 BattleTracker account. That's all I need, that's all anyone needs. There has not been a decent argument in favor of multiple accounts.

I really don't care though. You all will continue to do shit I hate anyway. I just think it's a bit hypocritical to refuse NEW multiple accounts when old ones are rampant. Better disable activation too.

Finch OUT!
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: thefusz on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:16:56 PM
your still the same old nate rofl. :mad:
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 13:26:28 PM
Accounts removed from banlist:
Code: [Select]
836967 x? Reason=Secondary account. Please use BattleTracker Account 837599
836960 x? Reason=Secondary account. Please use BattleTracker Account 837599
719534 x? Reason=Secondary Account. Please use BattleTracker Account 742334
654859 x? Reason=Secondary Account. Please use BattleTracker Account 742334
810290 x? Reason=Secondary Account. Please use BattleTracker Account 742334

This is not you winning, this is you annoying me enough to give up. Fact is, if I banned all those players that do shit I hate, there'd only be about 20 people left with accounts.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Mixk on Sunday, September 01, 2013, 23:52:37 PM
I sent Jonny a pm asking about this a few weeks ago and have yet to get any response. There are those of us that are admins on servers who use a second account that people don't know including people in clan so we can spectate a suspect hack/cheat because as we all know they all of a sudden loose all ability to kill anyone or catch their own rear with both hands when a admin is there and turn into superman seconds after they see the admin has left the server. So what about this?
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Spanky on Monday, September 02, 2013, 01:13:46 AM
I sent Jonny a pm asking about this a few weeks ago and have yet to get any response. There are those of us that are admins on servers who use a second account that people don't know including people in clan so we can spectate a suspect hack/cheat because as we all know they all of a sudden loose all ability to kill anyone or catch their own rear with both hands when a admin is there and turn into superman seconds after they see the admin has left the server. So what about this?

Congratulations, you have come up with the first legitimate reason for a secondary account.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Mixk on Monday, September 02, 2013, 02:15:58 AM
Congratulations, you have come up with the first legitimate reason for a secondary account.
Well I tell you what, I wish it wasn't needed but unfortunately there are those who will tell you anything it takes to get what they want or to keep you pacified when they are confronted and sometimes it takes this type of action to catch them.
Title: Re: Banned for secondary account?
Post by: Possessed on Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 03:27:45 AM
effect, the guy that made a clan called "NWO" (Phenomenon.nwo?) on 2.3 and then dissapeared.