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America's Army => Anti-Cheat => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: Denaturat on Wednesday, August 01, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
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Hello.
I open the assist25 and i login and there says : BANNED!! You Have been baned, you can not play this game enymore!! Reanson :cheating, see http/aao25.com/
Can i see some proff for that Ban ??
this is link too me stats http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/814726/D3n%40tuR%40t%5E/?s=ad637054288e75cee6191614486bc728664e568d
this is fragrate by cheater ??
I play this game 7 years and i dont was baned no one time.
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I hope there is a mistake. Maybe you should give all your other accounts too (Orso Blanco, ...)
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There is me other aconts :
http://battletracker.com/index.php?page=AAOPlayerStats&pid=778273
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/527078/%252B-cH3%40t-%252B/?s=07a5e67d79f39bb707fc2d85e678201c5f1a2064
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/454394/-%3DOrso-Bianco%3D-/?s=07a5e67d79f39bb707fc2d85e678201c5f1a2064
that stats by cheater ???
noone aconts dont work on assist25
what i can doo??
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Btw hey Ganja ...i cant by happy now i cant play and kill U on Pipeline :P
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Always knew you were fishy, but now it's confirmed, mr "respected old player". Also, admins here don't ban just because of your fragrate, which still is above average, and my guess is that you've been watched and spotted as a cheater. Just because you use some undetected "help" doesnt mean you can't be caught.
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To be honest i didnt and i dont see anything fishy about him, hes a very good player without a doubt, but i dont believe he cheated ... but can be a mistake, right??
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I have no idea who banned you and I have no idea why you were banned. I'll ask around and see what's going on.
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To be honest i didnt and i dont see anything fishy about him, hes a very good player without a doubt, but i dont believe he cheated ... but can be a mistake, right??
+1
Maybe admin has mistaken him with Grenadier lol
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Thx KiLLaMaN.
Ganja i dont have nothing with grenadier we played togeter but hes in Poland and i in Italy no one ip is same by grenadier and mac :P
TheblackGinger what proof u have?? to talk me bad i know meny Admins wcho looked me ss in 7 years i dont have noone ban by antycheat soo pls dont talk if u dont have proof !!
anyway some Admin from assist25 can tell me what i can doo ???
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U're italian living in Poland, don't lie to me :)
Just wait for now and see what happens
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Ganja I from Poland and i live in Italy heeh ... :P
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There is me other aconts :
http://battletracker.com/index.php?page=AAOPlayerStats&pid=778273
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/527078/%252B-cH3%40t-%252B/?s=07a5e67d79f39bb707fc2d85e678201c5f1a2064
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/454394/-%3DOrso-Bianco%3D-/?s=07a5e67d79f39bb707fc2d85e678201c5f1a2064
Are u sure u don't have more aCUNTs ?
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Wow, I wanna more accounts. Gimme pls.
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Wow, I wanna more accounts. Gimme pls.
you can have the polish one, take it :D
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Tidididi U know me :P wtf i can doo with this ban ?? if u want another acc create it hehe.. :P
zoxe. not sry in 7 years was mutch that heh... :D
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Tidididi U know me :P wtf i can doo with this ban ?? if u want another acc create it hehe.. :P
zoxe. not sry in 7 years was mutch that heh... :D
lol
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lol ?? what??
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not sry in 7 years was mutch that heh... :D
it's just that google translator crashed with this sry
can u say it in italian ? lol
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zoxee u are funy guy, in italiano poso scriverti come ti pare ma tanto non capirai :P
I have the problem and pls dont say nothing when u cant help to me :P txh
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zoxee u are funy guy, in italiano posso scriverti come ti pare ma tanto non capirai :P
I have the problem and pls dont say nothing when u cant help to me :P txh
Anything che posso tradurre? (passavo di qua).
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Koden grazie ma facio da me :P
sono Polaco che vive in Italia ma parlare pochino ho imparato anche in english :P
un altra volta grazie :D
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Hello.
I open the assist25 and i login and there says : BANNED!! You Have been baned, you can not play this game enymore!! Reanson :cheating, see http/aao25.com/
Can i see some proff for that Ban ??
this is link too me stats http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/814726/D3n%40tuR%40t%5E/?s=ad637054288e75cee6191614486bc728664e568d
this is fragrate by cheater ??
I play this game 7 years and i dont was baned no one time.
I banned you for obvious wallhacking. Additionally you used aimbot once (remember that poor guy who climbed behind you, when you were lying in tunnel waiting for opfor at the other side?).
All screenshots are probably clear (I didn't check them), so they don't present any value to provide them.
BTW, please don't spam this topic anymore, I created this one especially for that purpose: http://aao25.com/ban-appeals/bans-without-%27hard-proofs%27/ (http://aao25.com/ban-appeals/bans-without-%27hard-proofs%27/)
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I banned you for obvious wallhacking. Additionally you used aimbot once (remember that poor guy who climbed behind you, when you were lying in tunnel waiting for opfor at the other side?).
All screenshots are probably clear (I didn't check them), so they don't present any value to provide them.
BTW, please don't spam this topic anymore, I created this one especially for that purpose: http://aao25.com/ban-appeals/bans-without-%27hard-proofs%27/ (http://aao25.com/ban-appeals/bans-without-%27hard-proofs%27/)
Aah... a dopo sapiamo tutti ch'a fatto cuesto cornuto :D
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che ho fato ?? gioco on ts con le persone e ho veremente buono suono, se secondo lui ho walk hack che poso fare se lui e capo ?? io poso dire mamma di maiale e miglore putana :P e te prendi nel culo da un braziliano :P
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che ho fato ?? gioco on ts con le persone e ho veremente buono suono, se secondo lui ho walk hack che poso fare se lui e capo ?? io poso dire mamma di maiale e miglore putana :P e te prendi nel culo da un braziliano :P
ti piacce transsessuali ? :oops:
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Pit-23 U can PM me this in Polish i know u are from there i from Poland and i speak litle english,sry for that
Z tego co zrozumialem to grales ze mna i widziales(wydawalo sie) jak urzywam walkhacka i aimbota tylko nie wiem jak to widziales ?? Jest kupe ludzi co ma lepszy sound odemnie i strzelaja lepiej i graja jak Ja na ts co robie czesto grajac wlasnie na waszym ts, Ja gram juz w ta gre od 7 lat i jakos nigdy nie mialem problemu z rzadna corporacja anty cheat i nie urzywalem nic, zaden z Adminow nic mi nigdy nie powiedzial.
Jak widzisz Ludzi dziwi ze dostalem bana wiec prosze podaj mi jakis racjonalny dowod, swoja droga to chyba ss wlasnie sa sprawdzane jako pierwsze i odrazu Cie zapewniam ze czarnych ani jakichs co by nie pasowaly to nie znajdziesz bo nigdy nic nie urzywalem i nie bede urzywal
Dziekuje za szybki odpis.
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Unbelievable ...
Looking at this topic, it makes no sense at all
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Orso is NOT hacking he play bridge 7 years and 5 yers out of it he spent in tunnel.So i guess that he can kill someone in there.
Around tower u can hear anyone walking around and u know exact spot where they are.And u can for sure hear e clmbing to tunnel.
Pit-23 this is a mistake....all bridge players knows Orso and they will tell u that orso is not hacking.
U did very good job many times when u spoted hackers on your map Hospital.But this time you are wrong.
And im not writing this because he is my friend.Actualy he dont like me because i always own his little ass. :P
I think that whole Bridge comunity would tell you that he is clean.
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lol orso that funny
the hardcorecheater kill u all time and u got banned.if orso cheat my grandma play this game too and cheat too.
and realy no secret i hate cheater.
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What a mess is here.
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What about unbanning him and make a video of him wallhacking. If he doesn't wallhack anymore everything turns on to be ok :D Nah serisouly I'm really surprised about that one :(
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Hey All.
Thanks for evryone wcho talking about me good, that wchy Theye know i clean player.
Me stats dont talk about me i hack i thing taht wery difrend i litle noob still heh..
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/814726/D3n%40tuR%40t%5E/ Admin look day wchen we played togeter i thing somone with aimbot dont die that meny time like me
!5ory Its suprise for me see U post about me. wery wery thx from me side, if theye unban me i promis too You i try to own You more time heh.. btw. i dont hate U :P i know U are good player and U can doo more on BC :P that only true. :D
Soo Guys lets w8 wchat hapend.
one more time thx for Ewryone.
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Orso has made an application to clan just a few days ago. Would he be really such an idiot to suddenly start cheating? This guy is even legend for some ppl! He plays this game for years, everyday.
Pit what you said about aimbot is a little bit strange. Killing some oppfor who has just climbed is hard if only you are blind/have no sound/u play on speakers.
Please consider ur decision and remember about all these great and experienced players who belive him.
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Ive been playing AA since 2004 and mainly on Bridge. The reason this map is so popular is because 9/10 times you already know where the enemy is. It's so easy to predict where an enemy is going to by listening to the footsteps or just by experience. You indicated he was wallhacking because you were behind him climbing the ladder while he was in tunnel. As an experienced tunnelrat myself i can assure you that while you climbed the ladder you made so much noise (footsteps) that it was easy for him to predict there was a potential enemy heading in tunnel.. As for the aimbot well i must say he has a pretty good aim, but I've seen better ones around. I would just regard him as above average. But anyways pit-23 I am impressed by your dedication to make this game hacker free, but I would recommend you making use of a second opinion. Several high respected bridge players already announced that this ban might be just a mistake. There aren't many players around anymore and banning a good oldskool Bridge player who is playing based on his experience is just a lost for our community.
My Battletracker http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/318860/!n%24%5E-syn.toX/ (http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/318860/!n%24%5E-syn.toX/)
I was part of a respected Bridge clan which didnt had any affection towards cheaters. In the past few years I've seen him grow into one of the best players. Please reconsider your decision.
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i guess there is enough love for him shown by good old players so that
the decision might be reconsidered or at least looked into more thoroughly.
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Just because someone plays for a long time doesnt mean he's not cheating. Just because you are in a respected clan doesnt mean you're not cheating. Just because you are an idol for some doesnt mean you're not cheating. Just because you have clean pbss doesnt mean you're not cheating.
Your arguments are all invalid.
Most probably, pit-23 specated for quite a bit of time until he saw him cheating and so he banned him. Deal with it.
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Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's cheating. Just because ur opinion " u always were fishy" doesn't mean he's cheating.
TheBlackGinger I don't want to argue with you. Everybody has his own opinion but everybody must have chance to defend himself. btw u said Orso has no arguments for his innocence but arguments do u have? And how Orso is able to defend himself? What proofs anybody can give to confirm his innocence? Do they really exist?
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Again, your arguments are invalid.
My opinion? Your opinion? His fanclub opinion? Those don't matter. Pit is the one taking decisions, so the only opinion that counts is his. And as he said, he doesn't need the so called "hard proof" when he was monitoring him.
So, once again, deal with it.
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Dear suspected cheater,
As there are more and more undetected cheats on the market,
the US system of law is not applicable here, means we don't have
to prove u cheated in the case of lack of evidence.
Instead, the EU system applies, means it is your duty to prove ur
innocent. If u can't manage to do it by either way, you go.
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Dear suspected cheater,
As there are more and more undetected cheats on the market,
the US system of law is not applicable here, means we don't have
to prove u cheated in the case of lack of evidence.
Instead, the EU system applies, means it is your duty to prove ur
innocent. If u can't manage to do it by either way, you go.
There is no possible way for anyone to prove their innocence. Guilty until proven innocent doesn't work, especially when the judge doesn't think he can be wrong.
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Ei incubit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.
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There is no possible way for anyone to prove their innocence. Guilty until proven innocent doesn't work, especially when the judge doesn't think he can be wrong.
Of course there is a way. In the case of d3n@tur@t for example, we could organise
a match on a closed server hosting bridge, with him, all the guys who posted in this
thread (pros and cons) and monitored by pit :D
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"absolute power corrupts absolutely" The player in question shouldn't have to prove anything. Anyone with half a fucking brain should realise that. I don't know this person nor do i care, but banning on what you think, and not what you know just isn't right.
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Ei incubit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.
i didn't know that poland once was part of the roman empire lol
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Just because you are a cop it doesn't give you the right to shooting all around. Pit has to make the decisions around here, but he can be wrong, that's all about banning without proof!
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"absolute power corrupts absolutely" The player in question shouldn't have to prove anything. Anyone with half a fucking brain should realise that. I don't know this person nor do i care, but banning on what you think, and not what you know just isn't right.
We can't prove one cheats.
One can't prove he is innocent.
so where's the fucking solution here huh ???
that's what cheaters want : our hands tied.
Therefore let Pit decide, otherwise legalize cheating
so we don't have to argue about this shit anymore.
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We can't prove one cheats.
One can't prove he is innocent.
so where's the fucking solution here huh ???
The solution is he should get to play until proof can be found.
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The solution is he should get to play until proof can be found.
cheats evolve faster than the anti-cheat system, how u gonna do that.
Wait for a mistake... or a miracle ?
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Understand that you can't catch every cheater, regardless of how drastic your measures are. The only thing in question is how much damage you're willing to cause to gain very little.
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Guys what i can doo more i show me stats its 4000 hours played only on tracker i can have good sound and i can knows sounds from this map after played meny hours on this map. when u are in tower and u have good hedsed (creative HQ-1500) u can herd evry moove there, for me Admin dont play on this map meny and he dont know sounds from this map that he dont hnow wchy i know where was enemy and for him that was walkhack.
one questions for U Guys if U are on U map behind the door and u herd some moving there U living it ?? or u waching good this place ??
I play how i can. For me Admins can monitoring me game its not problem for me i never used the hacks so i dont care if someone monitoring me.
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Why dont you guys unban him and let only server admins deal with fishy players, if they dont want them just ban em on their servers, now banning from the entire game its just not fair ....
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There is 1 nice solution. It's easy and unquestioned. Short movie taken during spectating some suspicious player. There won't be any appeals and everything is gonna be clear. But I don't thnik any1 is going to do anything with this idea
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We can't prove one cheats.
One can't prove he is innocent.
so where's the fucking solution here huh ???
The solution is to NOT ban players without proof. Been reading these threads now and it's hilarious.
Banning a player just because his better then yourself and stating that he/she using aimbot, wallhack or whatever without solid proofs, that's just lame.
This game was and is basically dead. Very good idea to ban the few hardcore players that still come to the servers.
I think it's weird that someone ban a player based on spectating. The sound in this game is "too" good. It's not that hard to pinpoint where the enemies are just based on the sound.
So if you want to completely kill this game, go on and ban all players with 2-3000+ hours on AA.
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Why dont you guys unban him and let only server admins deal with fishy players, if they dont want them just ban em on their servers, now banning from the entire game its just not fair ....
In this case i could agree, 4000 hours of gameplay on the same map is not less...
In law there is the notion of jurisprudence, which enables the authority to make
exceptions. This could be one of them. But then again, one has to decide in the end.
And that's Pit for the Time being
btw, all people around this world with some kind of power to decide have all committed
mistakes once in a while, that's simply human. Nobody's perfect.
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The solution is to NOT ban players without proof. Been reading these threads now and it's hilarious.
Banning a player just because his better then yourself and stating that he/she using aimbot, wallhack or whatever without solid proofs, that's just lame.
This game was and is basically dead. Very good idea to ban the few hardcore players that still come to the servers.
I think it's weird that someone ban a player based on spectating. The sound in this game is "too" good. It's not that hard to pinpoint where the enemies are just based on the sound.
So if you want to completely kill this game, go on and ban all players with 2-3000+ hours on AA.
Thx for creating even more confusion here.
Again, there is no smoke without fire, only very suspicious cases are looked into.
Stop painting the scene as if every old player was under suspicion.
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"absolute power corrupts absolutely" The player in question shouldn't have to prove anything. Anyone with half a fucking brain should realise that. I don't know this person nor do i care, but banning on what you think, and not what you know just isn't right.
+1
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Download hacks, record the fishy guy, watch the demorec while using hacks so you can see if he's watching through walls or not, at least that's what someone was doing some months ago trying to catch hackers...
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Guys if somone is cheating must by that stupid to coming hear and say I have the roblem ???
I dont cheating and i want play !!! that is true !!!
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I don't know this person nor do i care
i don't care either about noobs blowing themselves up in the air on some iraqi market.
You know why ? because it doesn't affect me, harm me in any way.
But this is a tracked game. It's a fact and part of the gameplay.
Tracker may be nothing to some (fukin hypocrits, they know exactly that their reputation
and therefore their ability to speak out within the gaming community is based on the best
possible stats so they manage to have a good one), but when a cheater rapes 20 kills
from the normal player X that is what i call unfair.
Why ? first because the player X likes the game, is not bad at it, invests a lot of money
in equipment overtime to get better and everything gets suddenly spoiled by some punk
ass who just has a DDOS mentality. He just wants to harm.
Lets just untrack the game completely. Maybe that will weaken the fun cheaters have,
because their "great achievements" won't be recorded anywhere anymore.
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btw, all people around this world with some kind of power to decide have all committed
mistakes once in a while, that's simply human. Nobody's perfect.
And that's exactly what requiring proof would stop.
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its a kid garden here not more.and TheBlackGinger what u say isnt normal too.so explain how 1 ppl that never ply with him can bann him.im sure this pit saw nothing!or he cant explain or whatever the word the situation.im admin on vertigo and i watch ppl much there.we discuse about much ppl in our forum.what i read here can create my kids.yeah is a fk gam and not importand.but u make the god here with no reasons! i hate cheater and if he cheat where are your EVIDENCE ??
i kill orso so often if he cheat lol hes bad cheater.unbann him this here is ridiculous.the most funny is same time a real cheater was there.he killed all from distance where he cant see noone normal.i notice that.orso too.
so this fk uchida guy is a real cheater orso not.funny if this make school much ppl will left this version.
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So he basically got banned for hearing an enemy?
It's so easy to soundcamp enemies in or near tower.
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its a kid garden here not more.and TheBlackGinger what u say isnt normal too.so explain how 1 ppl that never ply with him can bann him.im sure this pit saw nothing!or he cant explain or whatever the word the situation.im admin on vertigo and i watch ppl much there.we discuse about much ppl in our forum.what i read here can create my kids.yeah is a fk gam and not importand.but u make the god here with no reasons! i hate cheater and if he cheat where are your EVIDENCE ??
i kill orso so often if he cheat lol hes bad cheater.unbann him this here is ridiculous.the most funny is same time a real cheater was there.he killed all from distance where he cant see noone normal.i notice that.orso too.
so this fk uchida guy is a real cheater orso not.funny if this make school much ppl will left this version.
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Hello guys, i am a nice admin on the vertigo server, just wanted to state that banning Orso
is bad bad bad because he is nice nice nice :) Please unban him. Have a good day :up:
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Don't intentionally misrepresent someone's argument. You are supposed to battle with logic and reason. Strawmanning and generalizing doesn't get you anywhere.
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Just because someone plays for a long time doesnt mean he's not cheating. Just because you are in a respected clan doesnt mean you're not cheating. Just because you are an idol for some doesnt mean you're not cheating. Just because you have clean pbss doesnt mean you're not cheating.
Your arguments are all invalid.
Most probably, pit-23 specated for quite a bit of time until he saw him cheating and so he banned him. Deal with it.
Pit-23 spectated him for a few rounds, I've been spectating Orso since 2004. Pit has the knowledge of potential hacking tools, I have the knowledge of the map. Since we both have based our arguments on our own experiences in our own respected fields, I think the final verdict must be based on physical proof. So lets state that all above arguments are invalid inclusive Pit-23's own opinion. Lets get to the facts:
BTW the Dutch law system (EU system) states that the defendend is innocent unless the contrary is proved. But anyways why do you wanna use the EU system since this is technically much softer regards to proven suspects. Here in the EU he wouldnt get a permanent ban, but has to mow my lawn for a week.
Battletracker D3n@tur@t -
We can assume Pit has based his verdict on D3n@tur@t last match. Let take a look at how this one is extraordinary good.
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi14.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa344%2FD-anime%2Fbattletracker.png&hash=ecbbc8db568b1afae39385c387b12aa8)
D3n@tur@t -Session: -=IGC=- at 31-07-212
Kills per hour: 114/6.5= 17.5 kills per hour
Deaths per hour: 61/6.5= 9.4 deaths per hour
Total rate on bridge:
Kills per hour: 4116/236.2= 17.4 kills per hour
Deaths per hour: 1809/ 236.2= 6.7 deaths per hour
Seems like a average game huh? K lets compare this to other bridge players:
^Rx][.1m50ry!.
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/810023/%5ERx%5D%5B.1m50ry!./
Total rate on bridge:
Kills per hour: 1822/78.3= 23.3 kills per hour
Deaths per hour: 631/78.3= 8.1 deaths per hour
!n$^-syn.toX
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/318860/!n%24%5E-syn.toX/
Total rate on bridge:
Kills per hour: 21597/1131.8= 19.1 kills per hour
Deaths per hour: 8244/1131.8= 7.3 deaths per hour
-=e!V].^R!$kX
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/792314/-%3De!V%5D.%5ER!%24kX/
Total rate on bridge:
Kills per hour: 31627/1926.7= 16.4 kills per hour
Deaths per hour: 21306/1926.7= 11.1 deaths per hour
pit-23
http://battletracker.com/playerstats/aao/812911/pit-23/
Total rate on bridge:
Kills per hour: 73/12.2= 6 kills per hour
Deaths per hour: 169/12.2= 13.9 deaths per hour
There doesnt seems to be any unuasual signs regarding to potential hacking. His K/D ratio are balanced and compared to skilled bridge players he seems to be normal.
PB Screenshots
I have highlighted his top three sessions from which 2 are played on the Vertigo server. The Screenshots from that server can be easily obtained through public databases.
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi14.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa344%2FD-anime%2Ftop3.png&hash=da8b7be31c350988a68c671a20efb243)
Session 23.07.2012
http://90.146.231.194/svss/pb002059.htm (http://90.146.231.194/svss/pb002059.htm)
Session 22.07.2012
http://90.146.231.194/svss/pb001675.htm (http://90.146.231.194/svss/pb001675.htm)
Random screenshot
http://90.146.231.194/svss/pb000194.htm (http://90.146.231.194/svss/pb000194.htm)
screenshots seems normal. You rely on the assumption he is using undetectable hacks... well like Zoxee stated we must come up with evidence which contradict this, but there must be also some sort of evidence against him.
Experience
This shows how much experience this guy really has on Bridge compared to others. I added the hours from Orso because that was his main account.
(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi14.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa344%2FD-anime%2Fgrafiek.png&hash=83b561b7dd1e6013dba2242e28cfa1a2)
Now you tell me we dont know how to spot hackers after all those hours on the map? Yes we do and that is why there is so much controversy in this thread. I strongly believe in Pareto's Law which state that in many phenomena 80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes.That means if you get rid of the 20% legit bridge players you can hit 80% of the community. I strongly believe in this!
Reconsider your decision because with this many players backing him up and with your only proof of spectating him for 5 or so rounds there is a great percentage chance that you might be wrong in this one.
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Impressive and nice post. But if you had read my first reply in this thread, you could save yourself a lot of time and effort.
Talking about his experience, knowledge of map, great sound, low ratio, good reputation, etc. etc. etc. is really pointless, I'm not arguing with this, I assume this is all correct.
The trigger for the ban was a single action he made in that tunnel. Let me describe it for you again in more detail:
1) Player is proning facing the A end of the tunnel, waiting for opfor X which is expected to come there.
2) Opfor Y enters the B end of the tunnel (from behind of the proning player).
3) Opfor Y gets killed instantly by the player, but the player didn't even look like he moved. After the kill he is still proning in direction A.
How do they call it? 180 degree turn, "on a dime"? But this time it was while proning.
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Bug can happen ...
So basically you're banning someone from the game he played during so many years 4000 hours on 1 map because 1 day, 1 moment, 1 second he made a fishy kill in tunnel ...
Well Pit, I seriously hope you are right because this is little bit light as reason IMO.
Now i'm not gonna argue with your decision as you are admin of assist and it's your right to ban players.
lets compare this to other bridge players:
Now I'm mad cauz you didn't show my stats :down: :cry:
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Pit it just might be lag,bug,exploit and hack as well. It might be everything and we will never know. But as we all know turning in tunell while proning is not possible right? But tell me how would hack help in turning through wall? I don't think if that's even possible whatever u would use.
Like Ganja said whatever it was banning anybody by only 1 weird and fishy kill isn't best solution in my opinion.
btw we have a lot of facts from Orso's acc history (and many respected players supporting him) gently indicating for his innocence and ur charge caused by weird situation until now. This leads again to very begining but on the begining Orso wasn't banned ;)
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Thx Guys for helping to me :P i suck with english so i can explein good what i thing :( i talked with Pit on ts about this ban and this moment but i dont remember to ask him why he cauting me too walk hack and aimbot , aimbot can by this moment but walk hack ??
Pit with respect to U work i dont want to w8 for nothing tell me doo U unban me or not ??
If hes unban me i cant use bugs enymore from this map bycas that somone can call walk hack LOL
Orso.
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I talked with this guy some more, we went to the bridge, he showed me that he can do crouch+turn+shoot+turn+prone combination in that tunnel quite fast, fast enough that some glitch might cover it.
This makes this case doubtful enough for me, that I unban him.
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free orso :up:
thx
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I talked with this guy some more, we went to the bridge, he showed me that he can do crouch+turn+shoot+turn+prone combination in that tunnel quite fast, fast enough that some glitch might cover it.
This makes this case doubtful enough for me, that I unban him.
so all this was caused by his keybinding??
maybe have cvar checks to prevent this type of action on keybinds like such as he has shown u that he can do at same time
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Now guys, fix the bug in the Tunnel, and in my opinion every1 should be happy :)
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Thx Pit :up:
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Thx Pit :up:
Don't thank me. I didn't do it to please anyone. This case simply wasn't clear enough for me at this point.
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Nice mature decision. Good job Pit
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Impressive and nice post. But if you had read my first reply in this thread, you could save yourself a lot of time and effort.
Talking about his experience, knowledge of map, great sound, low ratio, good reputation, etc. etc. etc. is really pointless, I'm not arguing with this, I assume this is all correct.
The trigger for the ban was a single action he made in that tunnel. Let me describe it for you again in more detail:
1) Player is proning facing the A end of the tunnel, waiting for opfor X which is expected to come there.
2) Opfor Y enters the B end of the tunnel (from behind of the proning player).
3) Opfor Y gets killed instantly by the player, but the player didn't even look like he moved. After the kill he is still proning in direction A.
How do they call it? 180 degree turn, "on a dime"? But this time it was while proning.
That reminds me of this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH4wNMFv5A0[/youtube]
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Eventhough CDC was active... crazy.
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CDC on CAL?
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That reminds me of this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH4wNMFv5A0[/youtube]
how did u convert that vid from fraps to this, cause i have some very interesting vid on master sound i would love to share to all those that think he's clean pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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Serious? Windows Live Movie Maker is stupid easy.
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Serious? Windows Live Movie Maker is stupid easy.
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go easy on him, he's cool