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America's Army => Anti-Cheat => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: WillR1989 on Saturday, December 29, 2012, 14:37:01 PM
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Thank you admin :)
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The only reason for the ban is the altered points. It's considered stat abuse. A perfect way to avoid this is to make modded servers non-honor and non-tracked, but for some reason the admins don't want to.
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As much as I know, the only problem is the kill points. You're not allowed to have more kill points for each kill, as BT tracks them as more kills this way and the overall result would be inaccurate.
But that's just what I know (or think that I know), so just let the admins settle it.
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Does anyone else find it funny when this happens and these people come to the forum and pretend like it's no big deal to scam/cheat more points? I mean, ultimately, it's just a game and who gives a fuck but really, how sad do you have to be to want a bigger number on a dead website for a 10 year old game?
It just boggles the mind as to why people can't play fair.
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Does anyone else find it funny when this happens and these people come to the forum and pretend like it's no big deal to scam/cheat more points? I mean, ultimately, it's just a game and who gives a fuck but really, how sad do you have to be to want a bigger number on a dead website for a 10 year old game?
It just boggles the mind as to why people can't play fair.
It also boggles my mind that there's a simple solution to the problem yet nobody wants to fix it.
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Why dont make somebody a lisf of mods which can be used, and a list of mods which can't... then ppl will know which mods are useable, and which ones will be banned...
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Why dont make somebody a lisf of mods which can be used, and a list of mods which can't... then ppl will know which mods are useable, and which ones will be banned...
Because then people will come crying saying "I didn't see the list."
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common sense. If you seriously thought a stat padding server wouldn't be frowned upon by anyone then you have some issues.
Earn your kills. noob.
Remove all the mods and play the game as it was meant to be played imo.
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Remove all the mods and play the game as it was meant to be played imo.
As you stated, that's your opinion.
As far as I know, as long as I know you (and your server) wont be banned if you don't mess with the kill points (and possibly respawn?). Other mods are just player preference. If people don't like the mod settings they wont join.
And if you still wish to mess with the points or respawn, don't register your server with BT (What I mean is have it not be tracked, thus making it non-honor I believe).
Oh and as the reason says, your ban will be lifted once you setup your server in the correct manner.
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if it had been written in the mods readme file, or anywhere, dont change the value, or you will be banned, then I would not have changed it... evident...
Now I just want to play, I hope I did not do much mistake, that I can't play anymore
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Oh and as the reason says, your ban will be lifted once you setup your server in the correct manner.
Server is running without any mods, or something... with original settings
http://battletracker.com/aaoserver/86.101.169.102:1716/
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Well, i'm also a supporter of classic server setup which should be tracked and which give honor. Modded servers should not be tracked, since it completely ruins the idea why we are playing here and trying to keep the AA2 game alive. Play it like it's was meant to be from the AA2 DEVS once.
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common sense. If you seriously thought a stat padding server wouldn't be frowned upon by anyone then you have some issues.
Earn your kills. noob.
Remove all the mods and play the game as it was meant to be played imo.
Hold up. Did you and me actually agree on something? Must be the full moon :D
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Your ban will be lifted now, please take it serious this time as there won't be more warnings.
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Thank you very much!
Have a nice day, good game!
Byebye :style: :style: :style:
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Do you mean me to agan !!!!!!
Its strongly looks like. even i made you a classic border server to play on. Hmmmmm.
Go for it B@lestra try border test it out !!
Well, i'm also a supporter of classic server setup which should be tracked and which give honor. Modded servers should not be tracked, since it completely ruins the idea why we are playing here and trying to keep the AA2 game alive. Play it like it's was meant to be from the AA2 DEVS once.
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Modded servers should not be tracked, since it completely ruins the idea why we are playing here and trying to keep the AA2 game alive.
Well tricky sentence.
Remove the mods of AA and half players will leave. So don't talk about keep AA alive ...
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Love you Ganja, in the right proporsions lol :cool:
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Does anyone else find it funny when this happens and these people come to the forum and pretend like it's no big deal to scam/cheat more points? I mean, ultimately, it's just a game and who gives a fuck but really, how sad do you have to be to want a bigger number on a dead website for a 10 year old game?
It just boggles the mind as to why people can't play fair.
lmao i could'nt agree with u any more, we'll stated,
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Your ban will be lifted now, please take it serious this time as there won't be more warnings.
How are people going to know any better when you guys allows server mods like that? Why are you allowing parts of mods and banning for other parts without anyone even knowing? Just fucking disable tracking and honor for modded servers and the problem will go away. It's that simple.
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Well tricky sentence.
Remove the mods of AA and half players will leave. So don't talk about keep AA alive ...
Actually i can well do without these players ;)
@Vanoke
This was not refered to again, i just stated my personal opinion on that in general.
I didn't understand you right when you pm'd me today. So now you have setup a classic Border server? That would be great, indeed :up:
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Killamans main problem is no one wants to play on his server they are all on mine so he hates mods.
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How are people going to know any better when you guys allows server mods like that? Why are you allowing parts of mods and banning for other parts without anyone even knowing? Just fucking disable tracking and honor for modded servers and the problem will go away. It's that simple.
sorry, but this is not a good answer at all. admins should know what they will allow and what not. it is like the whole life. and if they will allow - as an example - more honors to count for one kill - they should ban because of that. no more. just that. but leave others with modded servers. it is still a game i hope. and that it should be. for fun, no more.
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Killamans main problem is no one wants to play on his server they are all on mine so he hates mods.
This is funny because Killaman doesn't have a server, nor does he play AA.
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Killamans main problem is no one wants to play on his server they are all on mine so he hates mods.
Too bad I don't have a server or even play AA. I don't care if your shitty server will be hurt, it's in the best interest of the game to stop tracking modded servers. No more grey area for what mods are allowed or not and no more headache for the admins.
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If you don't play the game then STFU about moded servers because it does not concern you.
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If you don't play the game then STFU about moded servers because it does not concern you.
:D Why do I need to play the game to suggest solutions to the game's problems? I've played this game for a long time and was an Admin for it for a while. I have an interest in how the game turns out. I want it to succeed and shitty pick your own weapon servers aren't helping it at all. I understand why you would be against this but your server doesn't take priority over the game.
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Those that can! DO, those that can't! TEACH.
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for old players its ok i guess as long as normal server around, but for the new players it can make wrong impression of the game.
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We run a couple moded and a couple normal servers, the only difference with the normal ones is players can change the map to what they like.
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for old players its ok i guess as long as normal server around, but for the new players it can make wrong impression of the game.
Totally true. The game attracts different people now that alot of servers are modded. No offence but it attracts younger people that want RPG or GP and want boom boom boom .
Still some mods are cool, and they give noobies the opportunity to get kills
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Totally true. The game attracts different people now that alot of servers are modded. No offence but it attracts younger people that want RPG or GP and want boom boom boom .
Still some mods are cool, and they give noobies the opportunity to get kills
I totally disagree with opinions like these ones. Killaman sees it right even from a certain distant point of view. These modded servers won't help anyone,especially not new players, if you really mean newbie players.They will never ever learn how to spam shot etc. Mods will rather scare newbie players away or shock comeback players,like Mozam reported in another thread.Stop tracking modded servers and implement anti -spam rules at round start. That's all i'm saying. People won't leave because of that,since they still could play on modded servers if they just want to have fun. That would at least be a fair solution for those players who would like to play the classic way and how this game was always meant to be. BUT this lies in the responsibility of the aa25-admins as well as server admins.
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They will never ever learn how to spam shot etc
U're reffering to bridge only here. U dont have to know dropshots and spamshots on other maps ...
And yes on bridge crossing some players (guess u know who I mean) can only get kills by killing spawn so antispam rule would be nice indeed
Anyway it's very difficult for noobies to play the game cauz all the players now are 1map whores so noobies have no damn chance to beat em. Especially not on bridge lol but bridge has really become a fuked up map.
Why are we still arguiing about those mods ....
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Lol, anti spam rules, yeah that will work, try an in force that on your server and see how well it goes.
I would rather see them implement a single account per user, limit registration to ISP e-mail only no webmail like hotmail or Gmail but this would have to be done from BT
I have no idea why some people want to force there ideas on others, just play the game the way you like and we will play it our way, it does not effect anyone except those that play on our server.
If you think everyone that plays on mod servers get high scores then think again, there are plenty on our server that have lower frags than a lot of the points whores that play hospital.
Quit your bitching and just get back to playing the game.
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Anti-spam rule for Bridge is crucial,it destroys the game since half of the team is dead within round start,depending on which team the spam nerds are part of. But such rules have to be set by server admins. This and an untracking of modded servers could raise game quality again and give back the original spirit of the game. That is why we are here,no?
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B@lestra^, so let me see if i understand... you are against modded servers but you wanna implant a spam rule at Bridge?
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for old players its ok i guess as long as normal server around, but for the new players it can make wrong impression of the game.
I think it is the opposite, at least as an old player. Us that used to play the game a long ago, it sucks to see no one has the skill to play normal and there's few normal servers with players, so when we feel like playing and there's only those we get "enrage". For the new players that never really knew the game and start playing, i do believe they get amused like this but isn't the real game... The concept it was developed...
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I will start a extra normal border soon next year, i will get sum extra intern memory so it will work better.to get classic border whit 26 players. Hooah ! ( i realy hope you are right B@lestra) now we there is also a working classic border but not whit your name. untill one of my m8 turn it into a adder map !!?? thats possible
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As a old player its funny to see that people still care about tracker.
To be honest I hate all the modded servers as maps become different due to the new weapons and the maps are not how they were ment to be. These days there are only a few classic servers around mostly on Urban Assault and SF Hospital. Its a shame as the other maps are great as well. Obviously, I cannot wait for the winter league to start :P
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tought only the poster and staff was able to post in this section O.O
at least I've did that in permissions long time ago O.O
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B@lestra^, so let me see if i understand... you are against modded servers but you wanna implant a spam rule at Bridge?
Yeah, at least for the SF modded tracked servers with 2x203s/per gun (nothing against classic server setup with G slot spam, because that has always been popular - although i personally don't like it either). If these modded servers wouldn't be tracked, then you wouldn't need an anti-spam rule ofc, because then you can do whatever you want to do.
I've played on Bridge Crossing recently, and it's a hell and not very welcoming and good for competition when half of the team is dead/wounded within 5 seconds. It makes a huge difference if you have to hide from 1-2 G-spam at round start or potentially ~10*2 203s. Like this you can even badly spam the hiding spots at round start. So whereever you go you are likely to get hit by one of these 203s at round start. And if you develop this thought further the team having the better round start spammers forces the other team to get later into power positions on bridge, like pillars etc., thus having a further disadvantage, only because players get the opportunity to spam around instead of having fights on sight, like it was meant to be.
But as long as setting up modded honor servers is allowed by the 25assist admins, the server admins will setup modded honor servers and players will make use of it, because it's a 'legit' way to improve one's fragrate.
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What i can say, Just play it for fun, modded or normal is nothing for me. I will play on modded or normal guns server. But if admin starting being dictator & starting ban a server that people pay to play & to keep this game alive. I will no doubt to hang up weapon & leave this game. My clan have 4 server running 3 on normal setting & 1 sf modded (BC). Just play a map & setting u want, people will join. Have fun!
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What i can say, Just play it for fun, modded or normal is nothing for me. I will play on modded or normal guns server. But if admin starting being dictator & starting ban a server that people pay to play & to keep this game alive. I will no doubt to hang up weapon & leave this game. My clan have 4 server running 3 on normal setting & 1 sf modded (BC). Just play a map & setting u want, people will join. Have fun!
Seems that you don't understand what I'm proposing. No servers would be banned and everyone could still play on them like normal. The only difference is that the stats gained in modded servers wouldn't count towards your points/kill total on battletracker. This is to stop people from using mods to get an unrealistic number of kills, or in other words, to protect the integrity of the game and stats system.
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HEYY! OLd skool Bridge crossing is the only way to play really that game!!
Game is then faster and assault moves forward really like it should!! And teams
are more even many times, Def dont even have g unless 10 players. So more
servers with normal guns pls??But still i like SF servers sometimes 2 if not fore-
classing!
Seeya mates! :)
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Hey !! ANd RPGS not allowed in any servers!!!! that really spoiles the game sometimes!!
HAHA!!!
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Too bad I don't have a server or even play AA.
Then why are you here again?
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Then why are you here again?
Yo kid it isnt the drama forum here.
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Then why are you here again?
1. I have played AA for a long time and have an interest in how the game turns out
2. I was an Admin here for a while and I kind of just stuck around
3. I have made 3 maps that will be released in the next Assist update as well as fixing numerous bugs on existing maps
I contribute to the community in ways that just happen to not include playing the game. What do you do to contribute?
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I contribute to the community in ways that just happen to not include playing the game. What do you do to contribute?
No need to be so defensive. played since 02' staff for americas army cevo in 09' 10'(then it died). Brought some of the best players back that you have never heard, only to see ignorant lames running competitive. Honestly, I could care less to spend hours on end on video games, congrats on your maps though hope you win a prize.
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No need to be so defensive. played since 02' staff for americas army cevo in 09' 10'(then it died). Brought some of the best players back that you have never heard, only to see ignorant lames running competitive. Honestly, I could care less to spend hours on end on video games, congrats on your maps though hope you win a prize.
Wondering if it's intentional or not, the fact you're acting like a total jerk.
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Instead of flaming and cursing at each other, show a little respect and keep doing what ur doing!
Its no point arguing.
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Instead of flaming and cursing at each other, show a little respect and keep doing what ur doing!
Its no point arguing.
Wondering if it's intentional or not, the fact you're acting like a total jerk.
I answered his question, he answered mine. Last time I checked that was okay to do here.
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Then why are you here again?
get lost kid, learn some manners
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get lost kid, learn some manners
Kid? I love how twelve year olds are calling people kids these days.
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Seems that you don't understand what I'm proposing. No servers would be banned and everyone could still play on them like normal. The only difference is that the stats gained in modded servers wouldn't count towards your points/kill total on battletracker. This is to stop people from using mods to get an unrealistic number of kills, or in other words, to protect the integrity of the game and stats system.
Thank you Killa, that is absolutely the point i was refering to. I couldn't say it better. Modded servers destroy the integrity of the game and the integrity of the stats like it was always meant to be. I mean did you forget what AA2 was once like to be? Was it the game where you could play with low gravity high jumps and bazillions of frags, guns, nades, rockets etc. Cmon, wake up. If you need a game with more action play it untracked or play a game which provides fun like this. This is still fuking AA2!
There is no need to ban any server, but tracked honor servers should be active on classic server setups and not on modded servers. I'm sad that some people just don't get it. For god sake the majority of players agrees with us, at least theoretically.
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What I don't understand is why you care about tracking modded servers? I mean you care bout other people's ratio?
Nobody force you to play on them right, so don't play on them. But don't try to force your opinion.
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What I don't understand is why you care about tracking modded servers? I mean you care bout other people's ratio?
Nobody force you to play on them right, so don't play on them. But don't try to force your opinion.
I'm not trying to force anyone and i'm not alone with my opinion. I did not forget what AA2 was once, maybe you? AA2 has never been the BIG BOOM BANG game. Imagine a newbie joining aa25 now, or veteran players coming back now. What should they think when they play AA25 now? This is not the game with which we all started once. And i'm here to keep this spirit. You just did not get the point, sadly.
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What I don't understand is why you care about tracking modded servers? I mean you care bout other people's ratio?
Nobody force you to play on them right, so don't play on them. But don't try to force your opinion.
He said it and i agree with him its not about some stats, its about the original idea of aa2, honor and tracker should be removed from modded servers period.
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You guys are dumb. Seriously.
Untrack modded servers and you will see the spirit of AA .... It wil be dead again.
Bored of arguiing about this because you guys are all the same. Competition players ...
Modded doesn't always mean BOOM BOOM BOOM. Admin can fc a gun like VSS, SVD or whatever to change habbits, to make it funnier but you guys always want oldschool, oldschool, oldschool. sad
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You guys are dumb. Seriously.
Untrack modded servers and you will see the spirit of AA .... It wil be dead again.
Bored of arguiing about this because you guys are all the same. Competition players ...
Modded doesn't always mean BOOM BOOM BOOM. Admin can fc a gun like VSS, SVD or whatever to change habbits, to make it funnier but you guys always want oldschool, oldschool, oldschool. sad
If you don't want it oldschool, then leave pls, thanks.
Unlike you, i don't need to attack you personally.
Edit: Wait, this has nothing to do with oldschool. AA2 has always been like that (without fc weapon when it comes to honor tracked gaming).
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Conservatists ...
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It will be dead again? and the dumb here is you, we say to you that its not about stats, competition, or just coz i want it, its about the whole idea of aa, im ok when admin is forceclassing few rounds, and as i remember, long ago, when admin was FCing, server was going untracked, thats why it became so unpopular, people want easy stats
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How can you talk about the spirit, the idea of AA when the game is dead ffs it's incredible
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its simple, people that love FC will play it, but not tracked and honored.
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Ganja is right at some point. If we remove modded tracking we will loose people anyways. I do not support to be tracked but either not supporting to remove tracking on modded servers. I've been playing for a very long time and reading all the comments on this thread makes a grin smile on my face. [VerteX] clan is old and dead only I left in the clan and as I remember all clan members enjoyed classic servers with normal weapons and was fun and more difficult, now modded servers are easy kills and easy points but we have to stick with what we got. Leave how it is now. I think making a list is great idea. Kids may come and complain but it's not hard to lock the topics, that's part of admins job.
Anyways don't do anything expect making a list, this would solve all the problems caused and yes more points for 1 kills is one of the shetest things i've heard of all AA history I would rather make less points for a kill to make it harder:)
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so let me just make this clear for myself.
What the people pro mod say:
They don't like playing on oldschool servers all the time because of the self-called (according to them) pro competitive players with tweaked inis. This annoys them because it gives the tweakers an advantage, According to them that is.
BUT
If it's untracked and their stats wont be there, the game will be dead since they will stop playing.
This means they do care for stats a lot, while as far as I know most competitive players couldnt care about it.
If they only want to play for fun, just to shoot around, then why do they want to be tracker per se? Is it the small ego boost which is needed? Is that why they don't like playing against competitive players and why they think it is because of their ini? Is it because otherwise it would contradict their paradigma of them being good and it might hurt their ego? I wonder this when I read all the posts here. I can't think of any good explanation about why tracker is needed per se when they just play for fun to shoot around a bit, it just doesn't make any logic sense for me.
Note: this post is no offense to anyone, I'm just stating that I can not find any reason why that statement would be true based on the other reasons given.
Honestly, this discussion is just useless in my opinion. I couldn't care less about their stats, nor could I care about my own stats. I'll see how well they play in game, that's a better way to judge someone.
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Yes I give alot for my tracker ! I will sell it on ebay later. Don't ruin in with your tweaked ini please !
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Ganja is right at some point. If we remove modded tracking we will loose people anyways. I do not support to be tracked but either not supporting to remove tracking on modded servers. I've been playing for a very long time and reading all the comments on this thread makes a grin smile on my face. [VerteX] clan is old and dead only I left in the clan and as I remember all clan members enjoyed classic servers with normal weapons and was fun and more difficult, now modded servers are easy kills and easy points but we have to stick with what we got. Leave how it is now. I think making a list is great idea. Kids may come and complain but it's not hard to lock the topics, that's part of admins job.
Anyways don't do anything expect making a list, this would solve all the problems caused and yes more points for 1 kills is one of the shetest things i've heard of all AA history I would rather make less points for a kill to make it harder:)
Your (as well as Ganja's) argument is not coherent. If players who prefer modded servers would quit when modded servers get untracked, then they would quit bc they can't fragwhore anymore, or gett kills more easily. So also for them it's about fragrate. But then again we are at the point where modded servers harm the integrity of the game and stats system and the whole idea of AA2. So either these players should quit, if modded servers should get untracked or play just for the fun of it without frag and honor whoring. Do you get the point, finally?
And on a sidenote: what if the player who are not supporting modded server being tracked would threat to quit the game? The game would die also, so the quit argument is pointless in any way.
And trust me, addicted aa2 players won't just quit, they will adapt instead. Players who don't support, don't want to protect the integrity of the game/stats system and the original idea of AA2 should just move to another game, that's a coherent conclusion.
Edit: Bart has been faster to figure that incoherent argument out.
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I don't understand why would we need to change anything when population started to grow again....
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I don't understand why would we need to change anything when population started to grow again....
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS. Why change anything now that the game is rising again
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On the one hand you say 'this game is dead ffs' and on the other hand you say 'that this game is rising again...'
The ignoration of your incoherent argumentation let's me know how absurd and pointless your comments are...it's like your preference in BIG BOOM BANG aa2-gaming.
I won't argue on that anymore with people who can't argue coherently. Let's see what the aa25-admins decide next year.
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The game is dead, but it's rising slowly .. Not much of a brain you have
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Only servers that are ever populated for us anyway are modded servers.... gets old as shit. I know a couple people who quit because they are tired of getting rpg'd in the first 10sec of gameplay by a 10 honor scrub that kills himself doing it. Modded servers are bad, and you all should feel bad.
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Modded servers shouldn't be tracked because you can gain advantage over normal servers, it's pretty obvious that, for beginners, it's easier to kill with a SF. So don't come with the fun bullshit cause it's all about being more easy to get score/kills. The game it's meant to be played with the weapons provided by the maps, America's Army it's not about respawns nor sf pipe/urban/bridge guns and players who defende the modded servers are just killing what it's left of the game, new players aren't playing the game the way it is supposed and when you start something wrong from the beginning...
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[--] now modded servers are easy kills and easy points [--]
Putting aside the mods that give you more kills for 1 kill, I don't understand how it can be easier to kill on a modded server. If you kill, somebody dies, so for him it's not easier, it's harder. The overall average FR is still <1 (including TKs, bleeding to death, falling to death etc)
I know it can make the teams more unbalanced (and usually does), but saying it's straight out easier is just BS IMHO.
Modded servers shouldn't be tracked because you can gain advantage over normal servers, it's pretty obvious that, for beginners, it's easier to kill with a SF. So don't come with the fun bullshit cause it's all about being more easy to get score/kills. The game it's meant to be played with the weapons provided by the maps, America's Army it's not about respawns nor sf pipe/urban/bridge guns and players who defende the modded servers are just killing what it's left of the game, new players aren't playing the game the way it is supposed and when you start something wrong from the beginning...
If it's easier for new players to play on modded servers, then it should be easier for an experienced player to kill a new player on regular server. Why then are there still experienced players playing on modded servers? I guess it's because a new player there is still easier to kill than an other experienced player on normal server.
From that I think it's clear that the people who want easier kills go to modded servers, whereas those who want a challenge go to the regular servers. I don't see how this would affect either group right now, as people usually don't like to change too much.
Just my thoughts again.(And at all times I'm not counting the "more kills for 1 kill"-servers as modded, they should just be illegal or unauthorized)
Kid? I love how twelve year olds are calling people kids these days.
Now this is is kind of off topic, but your name is iverseKID and KID is in capital letters, so I don't see how you can be upset if people call you by the name that you have (its a part of it, but people are lazy and don't wanna write the whole name a lot of times)
Now I'm not saying he definitely meant it as your name (there's really no way for me too know whether he did or not), but assuming he didn't given the circumstances isn't all that correct IMHO.
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@teddy
Experienced players are playing on the modded servers because thats the only servers that have people playing in them 95% of the time. Im talking about USA region. Ive tried to join my server and just wait there for someone to join but no one wants to play against 1 person and/or wait for more people to join.
Also, its much easier for noobs to get kills when they shoot an rpg/gp rather than skill with actually shooting a bullet. They can kill experienced players cause it takes no skill obv. Or how about people just throwing inc grenades into main doorways over and over and over. Get real. Its boring and its only fun for a bit. Then its lame
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If the game was played the way it should be we wouldn't being discussing about what is or is not easy... Like i said before:
The game it's meant to be played with the weapons provided by the maps
I do play sometimes modded servers cause i haven't got other option, that is why we should be discussing baning the mods, not tracking them or not... Just my 2 cents!
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Yahoo, basically it means that majority of players want modded servers, cauz fewer players play regular. And you want regular so you say let's ban the others. Kinda hardcore mentality
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Yahoo, basically it means that majority of players want modded servers, cauz fewer players play regular. And you want regular so you say let's ban the others. Kinda hardcore mentality
Again wrong argumentation. There is no proove that the majority of players wants to play on moded servers. It's the majority of servers who has been setup like this. That was the first mistake in allwoing to setup moded servers. If you stop tracking these, these servers can exist parallely and don't harm the integrity of game/stat/core of AA2.
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I don't know what do you mean by majority, cause most of the players don't even come to forum and by this thread you are the only one defending mods... anyway this is a pointless discussion, i'm not going to change my mind as you don't go change yours, i gave my opinion just to let admins know if they make a decision based on community advice...
B@lestra^, the integrity of the game is compromised everytime that a mod server exist, it's not about tracking them, the game is and should be more important then tracker... a few months ago i said tracker should be shuted down, back then was because abusing stats now it's about servers... shuting down tracker would save admins headaches and we wouldn't be having this type of conversations...
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I know there is no point on arguiing here, thats why I do it. It's funny to see people's reaction.
I have to admit Balestra is the funniest. Talking crap about modded servers, lol, 1 hour ago he's playing on normal bridge, but then good players join and Balestra leaves and go to sf bridge and camps in tower shooting 203 at people.
Next time you talk about BOOM BOOM AA shit modded server blabla imma laugh to death.
And btw there are enough non modded servers, dont say it's the servers fault. Players join Servers, Servers dont force players to play there
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I know there is no point on arguiing here, thats why I do it. It's funny to see people's reaction.
I have to admit Balestra is the funniest. Talking crap about modded servers, lol, 1 hour ago he's playing on normal bridge, but then good players join and Balestra leaves and go to sf bridge and camps in tower shooting 203 at people.
Next time you talk about BOOM BOOM AA shit modded server blabla imma laugh to death.
And btw there are enough non modded servers, dont say it's the servers fault. Players join Servers, Servers dont force players to play there
Stop talking bs. I played Assault all the time and then left, bc there were too few players. Then i switched to other server bc there were more, then again the player amount droped and i left. I prefer playing on full or neraly full servers, thats why sometimes players are (with aa25) forced to play on moded servers.
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Tracking has always been a part of AA2, so why should we stop it? What should be stopped is the moded servers, especially too crazy moded servers with low gravity, dmg-counter, bazillions of Gs, 203, rockets etc. These servers may exist, people could join them for fun, but these servers should imo not be tracked, like it was meant to be.
To the Ganja fraction: you still did not answer in any wy to your incoherent argument why moded servers should be tracked. If they play for fun, why must they be tracked? If they harm the game/stat integrity and original idea of AA2, why shall they be tracked?
Try to learn to argue, instead of bringing bs crap after bs crap.
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Dude learnt o argue, did you seriously tell me that? I mean we're on the internet, arguiing about a killing game, arguiing wether or not players who are playing this video game should have a gun with a scope and a 203 launcher or just a normal gun.
You can go on alone with your arguiing, you take this too seriously.
My opinion is LET IT AS IT IS
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B@lestra I think you don't understand really of whats this topic all about, I don't even think you know how oldfag I am and ganja and I know what I'm talking about. People choose where they want to play. We say people will leave especially new players if modded tracking gone. That's the only servers that left playable and I only see sf hospital,urban and bridge that are left with normal where i play the most. I think new thread should be opened to discuss this and give their opinions. This is unexpected discussion started when it should have been locked. Leave as it is and stop arguing newfag. You can protest but don't cry later on that aao25 is dieing.
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This has gotten out of hand. The purpose of not tracking modded servers is NOT to get people to stop playing them, it is to protect the stats system from abuse. Do people really care about stats that much that they will not play on non-tracked servers? I'd like to think they don't. This shouldn't take any players away from modded servers, it just protects the stats system. After all, what is the point of having a stats system if it is so easily abused?
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I would like to know how any player that comes to my server is able to increase there stats more than others.
Unless they are getting more points per kill it is not possible, the real truth is server activity from what i see most people play our servers and hospital, explain to me why sf hospital is so popular.
The real aim here is by taking the tracking from our server they are hoping the players will go to the regular weapons servers, well if they wanted to play there they would.
Our server harms no one and the only 2 mods we use are weapon picker and map choice, and that is only on 2 of the 4 servers we run.
I see the for are outnumbered by the against might have to see what i can do about that.
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his point is that with non regular guns, (eg rockets and 203's) you have more change to get kills, then points etc etc.
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Do people really care about stats that much that they will not play on non-tracked servers? I'd like to think they don't.
+1 I guarantee half the people who play on modded servers don't even know how to check their stats, let alone care about them.
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I would like to know how any player that comes to my server is able to increase there stats more than others.
Unless they are getting more points per kill it is not possible, the real truth is server activity from what i see most people play our servers and hospital, explain to me why sf hospital is so popular.
The real aim here is by taking the tracking from our server they are hoping the players will go to the regular weapons servers, well if they wanted to play there they would.
Our server harms no one and the only 2 mods we use are weapon picker and map choice, and that is only on 2 of the 4 servers we run.
I see the for are outnumbered by the against might have to see what i can do about that.
This isn't directed at your server or any server in general. It is directed at mods that CAN be used to gain stats in an unrealistic manner. Stop making this seem like it is about your server, it's not. I already said the real aim of my idea, if you want to continue to think everyone is against you, fine, but that's not what's happening. It would be to protect the integrity of the stat system and nothing more. I highly doubt people will stop playing on modded servers just because they're not tracked. After all, people play this game for fun, right?
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So looking it from your point of view then the mods we run are fine and if tracking was stopped on modded servers that gained and unfair advantage it would not effect us?
I can't see this happening so i will fight for the right of my clan and others that just run weapon mods to continue to run our servers as we see fit.
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Christ, no one will remove mods or tracking from modded servers. not yet,
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Christ, no one will remove mods or tracking from modded servers. not yet,
I don't think anyone ever will remove tracking. There's been plenty of talk about it and several opportunities to change it but it's not been done.
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I don't think anyone ever will remove tracking. There's been plenty of talk about it and several opportunities to change it but it's not been done.
and I think that getting modded servers untracked it's not worth the effort :)
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Seems that you don't understand what I'm proposing. No servers would be banned and everyone could still play on them like normal. The only difference is that the stats gained in modded servers wouldn't count towards your points/kill total on battletracker. This is to stop people from using mods to get an unrealistic number of kills, or in other words, to protect the integrity of the game and stats system.
i will agree to this. same gun to all players is ok, its a fair fight. random or pick a weapon is totally a messed up. But what u all must consider is, they pay for server. They can do what they want. When u start stop tracking their server. We will lost half of server & players. As we can see pick a weapon always full.
Average online player below 150. Plus this game is old & less player. I used post a topic on AA forum, ask people to come play using 2.5 assist. Once as i remembered, it become an arguement with swiss-merlin on AA forum. :D. Now he was here, helping this community growing. :up:
As people donating & playing keeping this game alive, we should not doing something toward the 'death' of this game.
As an oldschool lovers want their right, what about FC lovers rights?. Should be a 'win-win situation'. Oh, its all about, K/D ratio. Tracking only for point & k/d ratio, i don't see there is any purpose of this. Damn, i hate it when people ask something but not tell a true reason.
They are more than 100 servers. Half of them are normal & modded. Pick ur server & play. is there a problem?. Some people always want to win. Why don't we keep it fair to all.
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I don't think anyone ever will remove tracking. There's been plenty of talk about it and several opportunities to change it but it's not been done.
That's why this conversation is so funny :D
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As I still see no way that argument of mine being rejected, I still see it as valid.
Furthermore, mods make the playing game harder and easier at the same time: When 203s fly around everywhere it is a lot harder to survive even if you play tactical. For someone forceclassing himself to for example rpg it makes it a lot easier to take cheap kills. Hence you can't say it makes it easier of more difficult, but it makes the skill gap a lot more narrow. For a new player it's easier to take kills, for a more experienced player it's harder to stay alive, because no matter how good you play, when a spamrpg lands close to you and you are not camping 24/7 in a safe place you will die.
In my opinion those kind of mods destroy the core of the game. The reason AA was different to CoD, BF etc is because of the tactical gameplay instead of the run and gun in for example CoD. And for the CoD fanboys: I have also played CoD competitively so I know that this is way more the case in CoD then in AA.
Such mods just make AA more of an arcade game. A lot of old players who want to come back certainly don't like this. Me neither, so I decided to just only play matches since pub is as boring as it is, only the same 3 maps with non-mods usually... I am quite sure more people had the same feeling, so this does influence the amount of players playing.
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As I still see no way that argument of mine being rejected, I still see it as valid.
Congratz for that :up:
A lot of old players who want to come back certainly don't like this. Me neither, so I decided to just only play matches since pub is as boring as it is, only the same 3 maps with non-mods usually... I am quite sure more people had the same feeling, so this does influence the amount of players playing.
But people still have the choice right? I mean old players can still come back and play on normal servers?
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Bart is so right and you other guys didn't bring one legit argument why moded servers should be tracked. I am still waiting for an answer!
It's a clear fact that mods if you think of pickup a weapon,or those servers showing that you have damaged some1,so that you know where enemies are located, or jumping with low gravity on places of the map where we have never been before with the original aa2, completely changes the integrity of the game and stats and also the balance between skills in fight on sight and blind fire. On these servers you just have to be an expert in spamming blind than fighting on sight. Is this seriously the game which you guys want to stay alive? As I said,moded servers can co-exist with classic servers,but please untracked.
And there is no empirical truth nor estimate that the game would loose a big amount of players or even die if moded servers get untracked (it could also be the other way round that we loose players if modes servers get tracked or overwhelm the amount of classic servers - did you ever ask yourself why our community is not really growing although we keep getting new comeback-players? Players actually quit aa25 again,ok?).
Please stop spreading (wrong) conclusions if you can't base them on clear facts. We can't say what our active player community prefers since there has not been yet a survey on that topic.We have no numbers, no nothing than just two fractions with their opinions. But what is clear that we want aa2 to stay alive and everyone should remember how and what aa2 was like before and why we loved this game so much over all these other games. Personally, it makes me sad to know that there are players in our community which pretend to share the idea of keeping aa2 alive without contributing to the core idea of what aa2 was all about. I seriously hope that the aa25 admins make up their mind on how they want to keep this game alive, either on neo-popular preferences of players or those who just want to play aa2 like it was always meant to be. I know what I will do in either way decision and i know what will be left over of the game in either way decision...
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I agree on the rpg and we are in the process of elimination them from our server we just need to compile the mod to do it, as for G well this will stay we are always looking to make our server a good playing experience for all.
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Bart is so right and you other guys didn't bring one legit argument why moded servers should be tracked. I am still waiting for an answer!
AA dev keep tracking normal & modded server, until the last. I just see the hate & personal interest, only for your fun not others. Players are really enjoy & like modded server, as u like the normal. Just leave it as it is :up:. I'm watched & play as AA2.5 players from 10 people left until now... i'm registered to this forum 'Headshots' community long ago. Before it changed to aao25.com. Community are growing fast than i expected.
I really sad with this topic, if u guys saying to keep the integrity of the game, that a B*****T. People play because they have fun on the game. People play games for fun, they will leave when no more fun. As u enjoy playing normal guns, why u hate others have fun on modded server. Face it like a man!. Dont like modded, enter normal server & shot the wall.. have fun!.
Note: When have power, its not a right to abuse others. Admin start being dictator will not have a respect from me. :down: