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America's Army => Anti-Cheat => Topic started by: august on Monday, February 09, 2015, 18:49:42 PM

Title: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: august on Monday, February 09, 2015, 18:49:42 PM
So what is the anticheat situation? Server scripts? Streaming?
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: bollie on Monday, February 09, 2015, 19:02:24 PM
Its a secret ;)
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: Spanky on Monday, February 09, 2015, 19:14:01 PM
It's far less interactive than it used to be. No need to stream, no need to mess with scripts, no need to request background checks, no need to do anything.

The only reason to bring something to our attention is team killing or other in-game abuse.
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: ArmyAntiCheat on Monday, February 09, 2015, 19:25:30 PM
I understand how anticheat works, figured it out when we had a discussion about privacy matters, to me, there is no worries about hackers. I keep it this way and will let you know that it's quite a good defence against any hackers :))
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: august on Monday, February 09, 2015, 21:04:07 PM
hmm
How about the aim hacks and such?
If I want to run anti-cheat scripts, since I would own the server, I assume I could do that.
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: Spanky on Monday, February 09, 2015, 23:04:48 PM
If I want to run anti-cheat scripts, since I would own the server, I assume I could do that.
You probably could, no reason to. I highly doubt you'll find anything better than the stuff already included in Assist. Seriously, don't worry about it.
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: august on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 00:05:09 AM
The question is how are the Assist scripts protecting each server.
I am very familiar with the AA anti-cheat due to previously being heavily involved in AA anti-cheat.
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 01:35:44 AM
Assist actually looks at every person on it's own, not the server so much.

Probably (can't be 100% sure of course) all old and commercially available cheats are detected automatically. Others leave other kind of violations that help us steer to the right direction and find the cheats.
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: ELiZ on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 02:59:18 AM
All servers run these CVARS:
http://aa25assist.sourceforge.net/Data/8.17/aa-pbsv.cfg (http://aa25assist.sourceforge.net/Data/8.17/aa-pbsv.cfg)
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 08:33:23 AM
Leave it to ELiZ to correct me :D
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: CS-ACI- on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 16:37:50 PM
Hello,

ELiz did not correct you . . . . LOL.

The scripts are run on each server but they check each player.

As for how or what they do, that information is not made public normally so people do not know what they have too circumvent. You just need to know that they work.

Steve
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: august on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:51:31 PM
Good to know about the scripts. As I mentioned, I was heavily involved in AA anti-cheat back in the day and I know how the scripts work :) and it is good to know, I can further add to the scripts :)
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 03:14:04 AM
what
Good to know about the scripts. As I mentioned, I was heavily involved in AA anti-cheat back in the day and I know how the scripts work :) and it is good to know, I can further add to the scripts :)

what was your name there august?
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: august on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 04:04:18 AM
AON/ACi= lovechiefs

Was mentor at AON back in the day. Worked with Kage, Yapple, Airdale and a bunch of the other guys.
Was also admin at CheatBusted. So I am familiar with the scripts, the way they work, bgs and such
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: =IGC=-=W!CK!D on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 04:17:37 AM
AON/ACi= lovechiefs



Was mentor at AON back in the day. Worked with Kage, Yapple, Airdale and a bunch of the other guys.
Was also admin at CheatBusted. So I am familiar with the scripts, the way they work, bgs and such

It's 2 bad  aon. Shut down always did a great job. Still talk with yapple? @ airdale???
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: august on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 04:28:10 AM
No, sorry to say that I am not. Would love to have them come back and maybe rejoin Assist if they feel like it, but dont have their contact info. I only dealt with Yapple and Airdale as far as anti-cheat. And really mainly with Yapple. Left AON back in 2007/2008 when I stopped playing AA full time and didnt keep much in touch if at all.
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: Bart! on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:05:55 PM
That's a shame.
AON was imo the only good AC provider.

AASA was just a lost case, the way their members acted was just sad sometimes. it felt like they became too powerhungry. The lost disc issue was the most horrible thing: they banned people for violations of maybe 3 years in the past, because they found the logs in a disc, now they banned maybe a few people with it, but in my opinion, those logfiles were overdue, not to mention their validity could not be checked anymore. Anybody who got banned 3 years later, without getting banned before, is probably not cheating anymore, banning them does nothing good for the community, because you are not keeping a cheater out of the game anymore, you actually make someone who made a mistake 3 years ago having nothing to lose anymore. So they can as well cheat now, now they have a banned account 3 years later.


ACI went too far with their goals of getting a good banlist, they even banned people who accidently joined a wrong server and got their honor hacked. I agree on banning those accounts, but with that they started making the background check public and this made many people calling people who did not know at all a cheater. Having bg checks publically, with many admins not even knowing when a link is valid or not, was plain sad.

AON however, had only private bg checks, and they had trainings into how to conduct bg checks. Now that was the only good way to go imo, as there where too many false accusations thanks to the public tool and bans for no severe stuff.
Also, for exploits in-game and the likes, the bans were actually 90 days, and then removed. This was good, because it was actually an anti-cheat measure: people know the consequences, and will not do it again, if you did a permanent ban, and you would have a linked account, people would witchhunt them anyways, so they had nothing to lose, gives more incentive to actually don't care anymore and start cheating.

This is why I personally think AON had the best policy of all anti cheat sites.

I know not everybody might agree with me on this case, and this is my personal opinion, but an anti-cheat site is NOT here to get a big banlist, an anti-cheat site IS here to make sure the game is as cheat-free as possible. Seeing the reasoning above I think AON had a good policy to stop cheaters, but still be fair enough to give gray areas a warning, so they will never do it again, more players, less cheaters, seems perfect to me.
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: -Vegeta- on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:41:39 PM
AON/ACi= lovechiefs

Was mentor at AON back in the day. Worked with Kage, Yapple, Airdale and a bunch of the other guys.
Was also admin at CheatBusted. So I am familiar with the scripts, the way they work, bgs and such

That was avery long time ago you worked with KAAAGEEEE? Mark Menting
Title: Re: AntiCheat Situation?
Post by: august on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 14:19:21 PM
Yea, left AON and AA in 2007-2008 or so