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Title: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 11:48:05 AM
A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
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Last time I have found out that A4TECH BLOODY mouse is very popular. Apparently it is very fast and convenient. I decided to interest why this mouse is so good. I installed the software to see what the mouse can do.
This is a program that reduces recoil - but installed in the mouse. Probably a lot of you have noticed the players using a single mode but firing automatically. The corresponding values in the program allow you to reduce the recoil to a minimum. I think that it is possible to set up a program, to shoot with automatic mode with reduced recoil.

In my opinion the mouse should not be allowed.

I read the other threads about this mouse and I know that in BF it is possible to protect against this (pb_sv_restrictions 2) - what about AAPG?

My questions:
- are we able to automatically detect the players using the mouse BLOODY?
- is md5tool of PunkBuster able to detect installed software on the computer (running process)?

is this type of mouse known? - as you can see above, troubles with that kind of mouse at aapg. google for the pictures :).
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Bart! on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 11:49:24 AM
Imo, taking such things to remove recoil is gaining an unfair advantage over others, as you can see there are more players banned already using the excuse of bloody5 mouse.

As long as we detect anyone using these actual macro values, they will be banned.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
People been banned for this already its not allowed.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: SupR3me- on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 12:50:46 PM
As long as we detect anyone using these actual macro values, they will be banned.

 i Guess i am lucky then :D   
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: -Vegeta- on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 13:01:11 PM
Nah hes not great even with the little legal exploits.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: SupR3me- on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 13:04:33 PM
I've already heard many respected players (and server admins) talking about you definitely having "something", so I would recommend you stop bragging about out and trying to keep a bit lower profile.

lol ye sure man i have someting...NOT is just skilz dude noting more, and tell those who talk behind my back to  come talk to me.

Nah hes not great even with the little legal exploits.

even [mod edit] he gets it lol
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: [SWISS]Merlin on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 13:13:03 PM
good job then Bart!
i am almost sure, some of the players in here do use it - because it it not reachable to catch - so i guess.
would wish that you could have a look at this kind of mouse.
thanks.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Koden on Thursday, February 25, 2016, 14:13:16 PM
A firerate that's higher than usual will show up in the logs and get people caught, as far as I know. Recoil can be spotted and eventually gameplay can be recorded as a proof.

Also: http://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx3M1Z0Q3MB2AHP/? (http://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx3M1Z0Q3MB2AHP/?)

P.s. it also looks kind of lame to me. Typical over exaggerated gaming look...
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Possessed on Friday, February 26, 2016, 00:50:52 AM
"Utilize Oscar editing software to optimize and customize your gaming, multimedia, or internet experience to its fullest."
This software should not be run along with assist, risk of a ban for firing to fast (beyond human limits).
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, February 26, 2016, 04:46:32 AM
What is conciderd humanly possible?
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, February 26, 2016, 06:02:37 AM
What is conciderd humanly possible?
It's something that a human can do. Something that doesn't require a computer's/machine's assistance.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Koden on Friday, February 26, 2016, 07:11:28 AM
It's something that a human can do. Something that doesn't require a computer's/machine's assistance.
This reminds me of when I used to play the old aapg beta, back in 2014. Back then the m14 (long barrel carbine) was almost good in close quartier combat as much as a shotgun, possibly much more precise because it didn't still had the precision cone drop that now makes it more realistic, and I was able to shoot it so fast (like, single-firing 20 bullets in 2/3 seconds to take down 5 or 6 enemies) that I got asked a couple times if I was using a macro ^^ all of that with an old Logitech m100 ^^ .

Oh, and btw, I think there are a few apps or online tools you can use to check your clickrate speed.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, February 26, 2016, 07:26:24 AM
This reminds me of when I used to play the old aapg beta, back in 2014. Back then the m14 (long barrel carbine) was almost good in close quartier combat as much as a shotgun, possibly much more precise because it didn't still had the precision cone drop that now makes it more realistic, and I was able to shoot it so fast (like, single-firing 20 bullets in 2/3 seconds to take down 5 or 6 enemies) that I got asked a couple times if I was using a macro ^^ all of that with an old Logitech m100 ^^ .

Oh, and btw, I think there are a few apps or online tools you can use to check your clickrate speed.
Yeah, for example http://cookie.riimu.net/speed/ (http://cookie.riimu.net/speed/)
I would like to see you (or anyone else really) do 30 clicks per second, though...
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Koden on Friday, February 26, 2016, 08:00:21 AM
Yeah, for example http://cookie.riimu.net/speed/ (http://cookie.riimu.net/speed/)
I would like to see you (or anyone else really) do 30 clicks per second, though...
30 is not even possible, with a decent mouse, warm and (not tired) hands, maybe 6 or 7? I don't know, honestly.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Ganja on Friday, February 26, 2016, 08:28:51 AM
30 is not even possible, with a decent mouse, warm and (not tired) hands, maybe 6 or 7? I don't know, honestly.

It said my max was 8 / second and average something like 6.5
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, February 26, 2016, 09:00:03 AM
It's something that a human can do. Something that doesn't require a computer's/machine's assistance.

Ahhhm. I ment how many clicks is conciderd posible.
Ultimate Click Speed Test (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/554667)
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, February 26, 2016, 09:19:22 AM
30 is not even possible, with a decent mouse, warm and (not tired) hands, maybe 6 or 7? I don't know, honestly.
I got a max of 9 I think, but then I was only clicking. The reason I said 30 is because you said you'd do 20 in 2/3 seconds, which I thought would mean 20 in 0.666 seconds, but I suppose you meant 20 in 2-3 seconds.

And I do think the "regular" max would be somewhere around 7-8 per second.

Ahhhm. I ment how many clicks is conciderd posible.
Ultimate Click Speed Test (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/554667)
Don't worry, you won't (and haven't) done it accidentally ever.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Koden on Friday, February 26, 2016, 09:51:16 AM
I got a max of 9 I think, but then I was only clicking. The reason I said 30 is because you said you'd do 20 in 2/3 seconds, which I thought would mean 20 in 0.666 seconds, but I suppose you meant 20 in 2-3 seconds.

And I do think the "regular" max would be somewhere around 7-8 per second.
Eheh, no of course I meant 2 or 3 seconds, which indeed translates in the figure around 6 to 7 clicks. But as I said, it depends on so many things...I reckon I just remember about an uber cool Xbox modified pad that was built to improve gameplay experience for people with physical issues, basically there was an additional bit of "lever" hardware on the back triggers to shorten reaction times. It was so good that it gathered to a much broader target. I don't remember the name, but I think it went on Kickstarter or such.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: -Vegeta- on Friday, February 26, 2016, 09:53:29 AM
But its one thing just clicking, it would be slower aiming at E. That would take it down a bit.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Koden on Friday, February 26, 2016, 10:24:36 AM
But its one thing just clicking, it would be slower aiming at E. That would take it down a bit.
For a pad you mean? Yes, but it was aimed at people who might have had physical issues, and it was helping a great deal for that matter (e.g. if one can't fully open and close fingers properly). Of course being a pad it had no meaning of being faster in aiming than a mouse.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: ~=W!CK!D=~ on Friday, February 26, 2016, 10:37:30 AM
A firerate that's higher than usual will show up in the logs and get people caught, as far as I know. Recoil can be spotted and eventually gameplay can be recorded as a proof.

Also: http://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx3M1Z0Q3MB2AHP/? (http://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx3M1Z0Q3MB2AHP/?)

P.s. it also looks kind of lame to me. Typical over exaggerated gaming look...

since when players can be recorded as a proof?????.,,   I know of ronski had alot of  videos of aaa-miki  clearly shows he's using and i heard nothing but excuses on assist end, but we THE players that PLAY AA 2.5 know a--miki is using an cheat,

just saying:



Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Galle on Friday, February 26, 2016, 10:50:20 AM
Ye that AAAA-MIKI-AAAA guy uses 100% radar hack or even wallhack. Just makes me wonder if he don't get caught who else don't also.  :cool:
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, February 26, 2016, 11:02:10 AM
since when players can be recorded as a proof?????
It has never been considered primary proof and likely never will. We've used it in a few cases for secondary proof, though.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: ronski on Friday, February 26, 2016, 12:11:00 PM
What if he has that graphic bug and he sees through the walls because of that :D
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: teddy_grizzly_bear on Friday, February 26, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
What if he has that graphic bug and he sees through the walls because of that :D
He had better not! :D
To be honest, I've had this kind of bug myself. Could see through parts of the big round things on Pipeline Main Pump room.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Koden on Sunday, February 28, 2016, 02:48:48 AM
It said my max was 8 / second and average something like 6.5

Derpie derp. Getting more cookies. Also, done with cold hands.
Quote
In your last sprint, you clicked 102 times during 13.41 seconds
Your average clicks per second was 7.60
At best you managed 9 clicks per second
This would have earned you 102 cookies
This would have boosted your cps by 7.6 (7 603.43%)
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Virus.exe on Monday, March 28, 2016, 00:40:43 AM
10 clicks per second!
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: zibi on Thursday, June 16, 2016, 19:40:35 PM
Don't you remember ?  :D
http://aao25.com/forum/general-chat-90/a4tech-bloody-v7-mouse/ (http://aao25.com/forum/general-chat-90/a4tech-bloody-v7-mouse/)
http://aao25.com/forum/general-chat-90/about-zibi/ (http://aao25.com/forum/general-chat-90/about-zibi/)
http://aao25.com/forum/hall-of-fame/mouse-macro-users/ (http://aao25.com/forum/hall-of-fame/mouse-macro-users/)   - no zibi here, I have never used this shit.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Galle on Thursday, June 16, 2016, 20:08:57 PM
Here we go again?...
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Ganja on Friday, June 17, 2016, 02:05:20 AM
Gotta love those players coming back because they're missing the drama they provoked.
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: phuNkiii.ops on Friday, June 17, 2016, 05:24:43 AM
going to mess with my copperhead now (:

(https://aao25.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fl4qjBxk.png&hash=a0623b750ea298dd82f5bf3dfffa9121)

8.5 clicks with normal and peaked 13 with the double click setting  :oops: :oops: 

Going to test it ingame now  :banned:
Title: Re: A4Tech Bloody Mouse with reduces recoil
Post by: Bart! on Friday, June 17, 2016, 12:00:03 PM
I'm going to warn you all - Don't try to change such things.
I'll lock the topic, since it doesn't bring much useful. Having the mouse perform more for you as you are actually doing is taking an unfair advantage, and will be threated as such.